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Cat Doors
I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff |
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Jeff Thies wrote:
I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff I might be tempted to put in something resembling a train caboose. Just as well give the neighbors something to talk about. |
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Jeff Thies wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik |
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On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote:
In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) TDD |
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On 12/24/2010 6:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. I was thinking of something like that. Getting the two doors offset would keep a breeze blowing directly in. I had thought about in the wall, but not enough room. I'll have some Hardy Plank left over that I can make something out of. If I put the "air lock" inside, I can use anything. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) We are talking cats here. I'd like to make it small enough to keep the possums and raccoons out. Not that I know how small that is, they can squeeze in some tight places. Thanks, Jeff TDD |
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: We are talking cats here. I'd like to make it small enough to keep the possums and raccoons out. Not that I know how small that is, they can squeeze in some tight places. Thanks, Jeff TDD Ours is mounted in a walkout basement casement window, with a cat ledge they must jump to to access the offset swinging doors. Cats travel from ledge thru 1 door, turn pass between panel where a storm window would be mounted and where the main sash (raised)would be, turn again thru the basement access swinger. 2 door 'airlock' (kinda) keeps wild critters out cats only need to be 'stuffed' into hole once or twice before they figure it out. YMMV Steve southiowa -- There is no such thing as a silly question; just silly people asking questions. |
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On 12/25/2010 5:44 AM, Steve.IA wrote:
Jeff wrote in : We are talking cats here. I'd like to make it small enough to keep the possums and raccoons out. Not that I know how small that is, they can squeeze in some tight places. Thanks, Jeff TDD Ours is mounted in a walkout basement casement window, with a cat ledge they must jump to to access the offset swinging doors. I like that. How did you do the swinging doors? Cats travel from ledge thru 1 door, turn pass between panel where a storm window would be mounted and where the main sash (raised)would be, turn again thru the basement access swinger. 2 door 'airlock' (kinda) keeps wild critters out cats only need to be 'stuffed' into hole once or twice before they figure it out. I love it, of course I can't duplicate it exactly! I think the jumping part is what thins out the non cats. Very clever. Jeff YMMV Steve southiowa |
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On Dec 24, 7:06*pm, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 12/24/2010 6:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. [...] * *I'd like to make it small enough to keep the possums and raccoons out. Not that I know how small that is, they can squeeze in some tight places. Tell me about it!!! We went through a siege in which every morning I'd see the cat's dish overturned , chow spilled out of the jar, his water befouled. Friend told me that raccoons have no salivary glands, so they have to wash their food (?). It was awful! I even hung mothballs over the cat door, but that didn't help. Finally realized I have to slide the door closer into place every night. Nuisance to crouch down and turn those tight little screws that hold it in place. Have to place duct tape across, so raccoon doesn't push door open. THEN have to call the cat in. Can't leave him out at night; he's black and already had a $4000 car accident. People have suggested those electronic doors, but my cat specializes in losing collars... |
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On 12/25/2010 11:56 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Dec 24, 7:06 pm, Jeff wrote: On 12/24/2010 6:25 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. [...] I'd like to make it small enough to keep the possums and raccoons out. Not that I know how small that is, they can squeeze in some tight places. Tell me about it!!! We went through a siege in which every morning I'd see the cat's dish overturned , chow spilled out of the jar, his water befouled. Friend told me that raccoons have no salivary glands, so they have to wash their food (?). Interesting. It was awful! I even hung mothballs over the cat door, but that didn't help. Finally realized I have to slide the door closer into place every night. Nuisance to crouch down and turn those tight little screws that hold it in place. Have to place duct tape across, so raccoon doesn't push door open. THEN have to call the cat in. Can't leave him out at night; he's black and already had a $4000 car accident. Ouch. Might be cheaper to fence in the yard! People have suggested those electronic doors, but my cat specializes in losing collars... I can dig it! I like LouB's idea of a cat door they have to jump to. Never seen a raccoon jump, nor a possum. Got more cats than I ever thought I'd have. Started with none and adopted a stray and put in a cat door and then... Well the neutering program finally caught up. Two things I should have realized, Cats reproduce very fast and kittens are not easy to give away. When I wake up now, I see an assortment of cats just watching me waiting for me to say "Breakfast"! Then I don't see most of them again until the next morning! I've sort of taken up the study and photography of cats. Like they say when you have lemons, you make lemonade. Jeff |
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Cat Doors - wisdom?
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) Also other cats, small dogs, squirrels, rodents, raccoons and other non-desirable animals can enter through a cat door. Indoor cats that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. Indoor cats should stay indoors and outdoor cats should stay outdoors. |
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Cat Doors - wisdom?
"EXT" wrote in message anews.com... "The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) Also other cats, small dogs, squirrels, rodents, raccoons and other non-desirable animals can enter through a cat door. Indoor cats that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. Indoor cats should stay indoors and outdoor cats should stay outdoors. Or, ideally: http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm |
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On Dec 25, 10:23*am, "EXT" wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in ... On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , * Jeff *wrote: * * I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. * * I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. * * Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. * * Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) Also other cats, small dogs, squirrels, rodents, raccoons and other non-desirable animals can enter through a cat door. Indoor cats that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. Indoor cats should stay indoors and outdoor cats should stay outdoors.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Indoor-only cats aren't cats any more- they are self-propelled plush toys. Sure, they live longer- keep you locked up and you probably would, too. -- aem sends... |
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Cat Doors - wisdom?
On 12/25/2010 4:43 PM, aemeijers wrote:
On Dec 25, 10:23 am, wrote: "The Daring wrote in ... On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) Also other cats, small dogs, squirrels, rodents, raccoons and other non-desirable animals can enter through a cat door. Indoor cats that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. Indoor cats should stay indoors and outdoor cats should stay outdoors.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Indoor-only cats aren't cats any more- they are self-propelled plush toys. Sure, they live longer- keep you locked up and you probably would, too. No truer words could be said. In fact indoor cats have to be special low cal diets. Indoor cats are a study in inactivity. My indoor/outdoor cats lead cat lives, are often on the go, and are much better behaved than the indoor only cats I've had in the past. I mean they have real cat things to do, not just play with the furniture and get fixated on having some treat or such. They look happy to me, and they all have such different approaches to being a cat. Jeff -- aem sends... |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:43:36 -0800 (PST), aemeijers
wrote: On Dec 25, 10:23*am, "EXT" wrote: "The Daring Dufas" wrote in ... On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , * Jeff *wrote: * * I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. * * I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. * * Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. * * Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) Also other cats, small dogs, squirrels, rodents, raccoons and other non-desirable animals can enter through a cat door. Indoor cats that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. Indoor cats should stay indoors and outdoor cats should stay outdoors.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Indoor-only cats aren't cats any more- they are self-propelled plush toys. Sure, they live longer- keep you locked up and you probably would, too. Ok, he have a couple of self-propelled plush toys that just think they're cats. ;-) We had one to the ripe old age of 22, though for about half her life she did go outside. Our last four or five never have been outside alone. |
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Cat Doors - wisdom?
"aemeijers" wrote in message news:c96b2ecf-0b8e-4841-b04e- Indoor-only cats aren't cats any more- they are self-propelled plush toys. Sure, they live longer- keep you locked up and you probably would, too. Oh so wrong, on so many levels. Letting your cat outside is just plain wrong, unless you have a completely enclosed space. Actually, just PLINK! |
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"EXT" wrote in
anews.com: "The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) Also other cats, small dogs, squirrels, rodents, raccoons and other non-desirable animals can enter through a cat door. Indoor cats that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. Indoor cats should stay indoors and outdoor cats should stay outdoors. Children... that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. errrrr, BTW, cats do not bring in bedbugs. My info on that comes from an exterminator and a vet....but children do. |
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: "EXT" wrote in anews.com: "The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) Also other cats, small dogs, squirrels, rodents, raccoons and other non-desirable animals can enter through a cat door. Indoor cats that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. Indoor cats should stay indoors and outdoor cats should stay outdoors. Children... that go out can get into cat fights, get injured, become road kill and/or bring home fleas, bed bugs, worms and diseases. errrrr, BTW, cats do not bring in bedbugs. My info on that comes from an exterminator and a vet....but children do. P.S. on diseases I have a cat that is FIV+ (feline equivalent of HIV+). Harmless to humans. Hmmm, no bedbugs, no AIDS.... |
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On 12/24/2010 7:00 PM, Earl wrote:
The Daring wrote in : On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) TDD My ganny's house had a big delivery box built into the side. Us kids used to hide in there. Except everyone knew we'd hide there. LOL. Back in the day, I don't think anyone would ever imagine it was a burglar's entry point. o, the box was for delivery of ice before electric refrigerators. For the pet door, isn't there some sort of locking meachanism and the pet is supposed to wear the "key" on it's collar? Yea, the little radio collar or I think there is one that uses the same technology as the retail anti theft tags found on merchandise. The door locks to keep critters like raccoons or unauthorized kitties from entering the home. I like the tunnel idea because I think it might deter human trespassers. :-) TDD |
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The Daring Dufas wrote: On 12/24/2010 7:00 PM, Earl wrote: The Daring wrote in : On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) TDD My ganny's house had a big delivery box built into the side. Us kids used to hide in there. Except everyone knew we'd hide there. LOL. Back in the day, I don't think anyone would ever imagine it was a burglar's entry point. o, the box was for delivery of ice before electric refrigerators. For the pet door, isn't there some sort of locking meachanism and the pet is supposed to wear the "key" on it's collar? Yea, the little radio collar or I think there is one that uses the same technology as the retail anti theft tags found on merchandise. The door locks to keep critters like raccoons or unauthorized kitties from entering the home. I like the tunnel idea because I think it might deter human trespassers. :-) TDD I haven't seen any RFID pet doors yet, the ones that have a pet only lock usually just have a magnet for the pets collar to activate the lock. Most raccoons and other wild animals don't have magnetic collars. |
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On 12/24/2010 9:55 PM, Pete C. wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote: On 12/24/2010 7:00 PM, Earl wrote: The Daring wrote in : On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) TDD My ganny's house had a big delivery box built into the side. Us kids used to hide in there. Except everyone knew we'd hide there. LOL. Back in the day, I don't think anyone would ever imagine it was a burglar's entry point. o, the box was for delivery of ice before electric refrigerators. For the pet door, isn't there some sort of locking meachanism and the pet is supposed to wear the "key" on it's collar? Yea, the little radio collar or I think there is one that uses the same technology as the retail anti theft tags found on merchandise. The door locks to keep critters like raccoons or unauthorized kitties from entering the home. I like the tunnel idea because I think it might deter human trespassers. :-) TDD I haven't seen any RFID pet doors yet, the ones that have a pet only lock usually just have a magnet for the pets collar to activate the lock. Most raccoons and other wild animals don't have magnetic collars. Yea but, what if an anvil gets stuck to te magnet around Fluffy's neck, how in the heck is she going to drag that thing through the door? TDD |
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On 12/24/2010 10:55 PM, Pete C. wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote: On 12/24/2010 7:00 PM, Earl wrote: The Daring wrote in : On 12/24/2010 3:53 PM, Erik wrote: In , Jeff wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Hmmm... or maybe make it a bit longer than necessary, and have 2 doors to form a little 'airlock'? The upsloping 'tunnel' part could even run parallel to the outside wall face... cats are nimble enough to make a 90 degree turn. Just thinking out loud... I've never done or been involved in such a project. Good Luck! Erik That sounds like a very good idea because small kids have been sent through pet doors by burglars to unlock the door and there are some small adult burglars who can get through pet doors too. :-) TDD My ganny's house had a big delivery box built into the side. Us kids used to hide in there. Except everyone knew we'd hide there. LOL. Back in the day, I don't think anyone would ever imagine it was a burglar's entry point. o, the box was for delivery of ice before electric refrigerators. For the pet door, isn't there some sort of locking meachanism and the pet is supposed to wear the "key" on it's collar? Yea, the little radio collar or I think there is one that uses the same technology as the retail anti theft tags found on merchandise. The door locks to keep critters like raccoons or unauthorized kitties from entering the home. I like the tunnel idea because I think it might deter human trespassers. :-) TDD I haven't seen any RFID pet doors yet, the ones that have a pet only lock usually just have a magnet for the pets collar to activate the lock. Most raccoons and other wild animals don't have magnetic collars. I wouldn't put it beyond a raccoon to get a magnet (or a cat to lose one). They are a lot smarter than cats and can manipulate all kinds of latches. At least that has been my unfortunate experience. I have enough trouble with the commercial cat doors to start adding technology to one. And there is enough food outside to satisfy the possums. Jeff |
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Jeff Thies wrote:
I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. I built mine in a 10" wide board that fits under the partially-closed window. If the cat door ever needs to go away, I'll just raise the window, remove the board containing the cat-flap, then close the window. Oh, there's a screw in the window frame to prevent the goblins, squints, mopes, do-bads, stink-eyes, etc., from using the cat door contraption as an entryway. |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 15:29:28 -0500, Jeff Thies
wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff |
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Jeff Thies wrote:
I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. Also so they can wail at night. |
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On 12/25/2010 9:37 AM, LouB wrote:
Jeff Thies wrote: I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. Jeff Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. Also so they can wail at night. They are good cats, and they do kill a lot of rodents. There are a couple of vacant lots nearby so it is happy hunting grounds for them and the hawks and owls. Not all cats are good hunters though. And neutered cats don't have much reason to wail. I happen to like chipmunks, it is there unfortunate lot in life to be both tasty and entertaining. Jeff |
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Jeff Thies wrote in
: On 12/25/2010 9:37 AM, LouB wrote: Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. Also so they can wail at night. They are good cats, and they do kill a lot of rodents. Have they brought you any? I had a cat once that brought me dead mice,and a live bird which it released indoors,that was hilarious;my mom a bird-lover trying to get the bird out of the house while the cat was leaping all over the place trying to recapture it. 8-) There are a couple of vacant lots nearby so it is happy hunting grounds for them and the hawks and owls. Not all cats are good hunters though. And neutered cats don't have much reason to wail. I happen to like chipmunks, it is there unfortunate lot in life to be both tasty and entertaining. Jeff it's not easy for a cat to catch a healthy chipmunk,squirrel,or bird. there's no shortage of them,either. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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On 12/25/2010 7:10 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
Jeff wrote in : On 12/25/2010 9:37 AM, LouB wrote: Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. Also so they can wail at night. They are good cats, and they do kill a lot of rodents. Have they brought you any? Quite a few, although not so many lately. I've got pics! The Chipmunks usually show up live, the mice never. I had a cat once that brought me dead mice,and a live bird which it released indoors,that was hilarious;my mom a bird-lover trying to get the bird out of the house while the cat was leaping all over the place trying to recapture it. 8-) Oh, I can imagine! There are a couple of vacant lots nearby so it is happy hunting grounds for them and the hawks and owls. Not all cats are good hunters though. And neutered cats don't have much reason to wail. I happen to like chipmunks, it is there unfortunate lot in life to be both tasty and entertaining. Jeff it's not easy for a cat to catch a healthy chipmunk,squirrel,or bird. I believe that. It's a skill, I've seen the kittens going off with Mom to learn. Some cats are excellent hunters, some are failures. All are intensely interested. It's instinctive. there's no shortage of them,either. Not here, any ways. I understand that down under, feral cats are a real threat to some birds. I rarely see them take a bird though. Jeff |
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Jeff Thies wrote:
On 12/25/2010 7:10 PM, Jim Yanik wrote: Jeff wrote in : On 12/25/2010 9:37 AM, LouB wrote: Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. Also so they can wail at night. They are good cats, and they do kill a lot of rodents. Have they brought you any? Quite a few, although not so many lately. I've got pics! The Chipmunks usually show up live, the mice never. I had a cat once that brought me dead mice,and a live bird which it released indoors,that was hilarious;my mom a bird-lover trying to get the bird out of the house while the cat was leaping all over the place trying to recapture it. 8-) Oh, I can imagine! There are a couple of vacant lots nearby so it is happy hunting grounds for them and the hawks and owls. Not all cats are good hunters though. And neutered cats don't have much reason to wail. I happen to like chipmunks, it is there unfortunate lot in life to be both tasty and entertaining. Jeff it's not easy for a cat to catch a healthy chipmunk,squirrel,or bird. I believe that. It's a skill, I've seen the kittens going off with Mom to learn. Some cats are excellent hunters, some are failures. All are intensely interested. It's instinctive. there's no shortage of them,either. Not here, any ways. I understand that down under, feral cats are a real threat to some birds. I rarely see them take a bird though. Jeff My hunter friends usually shoot feral cats out in the woods. |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message 4... it's not easy for a cat to catch a healthy chipmunk,squirrel,or bird. there's no shortage of them,either. You can't seriously believe that, right? All of our cats are indoor-only. We get mice in the house all the time (200 year old house with a stacked stone foundation) that the cats catch and kill. We have found 3 dead chipmunks and 1 dead squirrel. No birds, but 2 or 3 bats over the years. And those are just the ones the cats didn't eat. |
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On 12/26/2010 2:57 PM, h wrote:
"Jim wrote in message 4... it's not easy for a cat to catch a healthy chipmunk,squirrel,or bird. there's no shortage of them,either. You can't seriously believe that, right? All of our cats are indoor-only. We get mice in the house all the time (200 year old house with a stacked stone foundation) that the cats catch and kill. We have found 3 dead chipmunks and 1 dead squirrel. No birds, but 2 or 3 bats over the years. And those are just the ones the cats didn't eat. When I had indoor cats, mice would get in the pantry once a year and start a family. The cats would wait for what seemed like hours/days to get a chance at one. My favorite cat now has been know to polish off a chipmunk and bring another back in 15 minutes. But she is exceptional. Some cats only get such a treat second hand. Jeff |
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h wrote:
"Jim Yanik" wrote in message 4... it's not easy for a cat to catch a healthy chipmunk,squirrel,or bird. there's no shortage of them,either. You can't seriously believe that, right? All of our cats are indoor-only. We get mice in the house all the time (200 year old house with a stacked stone foundation) that the cats catch and kill. We have found 3 dead chipmunks and 1 dead squirrel. No birds, but 2 or 3 bats over the years. And those are just the ones the cats didn't eat. Look up "Towser" who, for 23 years, was the mouser-in-chief at the Glennturrent distillery in Scotland, makers of Famous Grouse (yum). During her tenure, she dispatched 28,898 mice plus a few rats, pheasants, and rabbits. She is not only enshrined in the Guinness Book of Records, but has a bronze statue in front of the Glennturrent building. |
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On Dec 25, 1:07*pm, Marina wrote:
LouB wrote : Jeff Thies wrote: * I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part * of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. * I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. * So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. * Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. * Jeff Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. *Also so they can wail at night. There was a cat that always was under my BR window at 4.00am. It had a bell on it's collar making noise. *My dog could hear it and always barked like crazy. *Of course that woke me up each night. One day I talking to a neighbor and happened to mention what was happening. *I think I said something like "who the heck puts on a bell and lets a cat out at night". Lo and behold, the bell jingling stopped. *I didn't know it, but she must have owned the cat. Cats cannot detect or respect property boundaries. The cats you let roam loose do damage in my yard, kill small critters and songbirds that live over here, claw my screens, spray their waste in my yard, and torment my dog (who is NOT allowed to go into your yard to do his business or his digging). How about showing some responsibility for what you own? |
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On Dec 26, 8:55*am, TimR wrote:
On Dec 25, 1:07*pm, Marina wrote: LouB wrote : Jeff Thies wrote: * I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part * of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. * I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls.. * So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. * Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. * Jeff Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. *Also so they can wail at night. There was a cat that always was under my BR window at 4.00am. It had a bell on it's collar making noise. *My dog could hear it and always barked like crazy. *Of course that woke me up each night. One day I talking to a neighbor and happened to mention what was happening. *I think I said something like "who the heck puts on a bell and lets a cat out at night". Lo and behold, the bell jingling stopped. *I didn't know it, but she must have owned the cat. Cats cannot detect or respect property boundaries. Of course not. They're CATS, not people (many of who also do not "respect property boundaries"! The cats you let roam loose do damage in my yard, Spray them with water from the hose a few times and they will get the message. Also put mothballs in the flower/veg beds where the dig and they will get the message. kill small critters - Nature, red in tooth and claw... and songbirds that live over here, May sound harsh, but if they don't learn to get out of the way, TS. I have seen mocking birds in my back yard who TEASE the cat. Bad move! claw my screens, Hang mesh bag of mothballs over that part of the screen and they will get the message. Also ask owners (if known) to trim their nails. If they won't, you do it. NEVER, NEVER DE-CLAW!!! spray their waste in my yard, Are these unfixed Tomcats? They're usually the only ones who "spray". Contact your local animal shelter and turn in the cat(s) to be fixed.. and torment my dog (who is NOT allowed to go into your yard to do his business or his digging). If you can catch them in the act, again, a good sharp blast from a water hose repeated a few visits in succession will convey the message. How about showing some responsibility for what you own? Sounds like you might have irresponsible neighbors. Possible to negotiate with them? You do spray and mothballs and they get claws clipped and unfixed males fixed. |
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On Dec 26, 5:58*pm, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Dec 26, 8:55*am, TimR wrote: On Dec 25, 1:07*pm, Marina wrote: LouB wrote : Jeff Thies wrote: * I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part * of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. * I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. * So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. * Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. * Jeff Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. *Also so they can wail at night. There was a cat that always was under my BR window at 4.00am. It had a bell on it's collar making noise. *My dog could hear it and always barked like crazy. *Of course that woke me up each night. One day I talking to a neighbor and happened to mention what was happening. *I think I said something like "who the heck puts on a bell and lets a cat out at night". Lo and behold, the bell jingling stopped. *I didn't know it, but she must have owned the cat. Cats cannot detect or respect property boundaries. Of course not. *They're CATS, not people (many of who also do not "respect property boundaries"! The cats you let roam loose do damage in my yard, Spray them with water from the hose a few times and they will get the message. Also put mothballs in the flower/veg beds where the dig and they will get the message. *kill small critters - Nature, red in tooth and claw... and songbirds that live over here, May sound harsh, but if they don't learn to get out of the way, TS. *I have seen mocking birds in my back yard who TEASE the cat. *Bad move! *claw my screens, Hang mesh bag of mothballs over that part of the screen and they will get the message. Also ask owners (if known) to trim their nails. *If they won't, you do it. *NEVER, NEVER DE-CLAW!!! *spray their waste in my yard, Are these unfixed Tomcats? They're usually the only ones who "spray". Contact your local animal shelter and turn in the cat(s) *to be fixed.. and torment my dog (who is NOT allowed to go into your yard to do his business or his digging). If you can catch them in the act, again, a good sharp blast from a water *hose repeated a few visits in succession will convey the message. How about showing some responsibility for what you own? Sounds like you might have irresponsible neighbors. * *Possible to negotiate with them? *You do spray and mothballs and they get claws clipped and unfixed males fixed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mouse traps fix cats. |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:06:51 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:
On Dec 26, 5:58*pm, Higgs Boson wrote: On Dec 26, 8:55*am, TimR wrote: On Dec 25, 1:07*pm, Marina wrote: LouB wrote : Jeff Thies wrote: * I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part * of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. * I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. * So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. * Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. * Jeff Good for the neighborhood. Lets the cats out so they can kill birds, chipmonks, etc. *Also so they can wail at night. There was a cat that always was under my BR window at 4.00am. It had a bell on it's collar making noise. *My dog could hear it and always barked like crazy. *Of course that woke me up each night. One day I talking to a neighbor and happened to mention what was happening. *I think I said something like "who the heck puts on a bell and lets a cat out at night". Lo and behold, the bell jingling stopped. *I didn't know it, but she must have owned the cat. Cats cannot detect or respect property boundaries. Of course not. *They're CATS, not people (many of who also do not "respect property boundaries"! The cats you let roam loose do damage in my yard, Spray them with water from the hose a few times and they will get the message. Also put mothballs in the flower/veg beds where the dig and they will get the message. *kill small critters - Nature, red in tooth and claw... and songbirds that live over here, May sound harsh, but if they don't learn to get out of the way, TS. *I have seen mocking birds in my back yard who TEASE the cat. *Bad move! *claw my screens, Hang mesh bag of mothballs over that part of the screen and they will get the message. Also ask owners (if known) to trim their nails. *If they won't, you do it. *NEVER, NEVER DE-CLAW!!! *spray their waste in my yard, Are these unfixed Tomcats? They're usually the only ones who "spray". Contact your local animal shelter and turn in the cat(s) *to be fixed.. and torment my dog (who is NOT allowed to go into your yard to do his business or his digging). If you can catch them in the act, again, a good sharp blast from a water *hose repeated a few visits in succession will convey the message. How about showing some responsibility for what you own? Sounds like you might have irresponsible neighbors. * *Possible to negotiate with them? *You do spray and mothballs and they get claws clipped and unfixed males fixed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mouse traps fix cats. Ours are already fixed. |
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TimR wrote:
Cats cannot detect or respect property boundaries. The cats you let roam loose do damage in my yard, kill small critters and songbirds that live over here, claw my screens, spray their waste in my yard, and torment my dog (who is NOT allowed to go into your yard to do his business or his digging). How about showing some responsibility for what you own? Consider the following: ------------- STATE OF ILLINOIS EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT SPRINGFIELD, April 23, 1949 To the Honorable, the Members of the Senate of the Sixth-sixth General Assembly: I herewith return, without my approval, Senate Bill No. 93, entitled, "An Act to Provide Protection to Insectivorous Birds by Restraining Cats." This is the so-called "Cat Bill." I veto and withhold my approval from this Bill .... Furthermore, I cannot agree that it should be the declared public policy of Illinois that a cat visiting a neighbor's yard or crossing the highway is a public nuisance. It is in the nature of cats to do a certain amount of unescorted roaming.... Also consider the owner's dilemma: To escort a cat abroad on a leash is against the nature of the cat, and to permit it to venture forth for exercise unattended into a night of new dangers is against the nature of the owner... The problem of cat versus bird is as old as time. If we attempt to resolve it by legislation why knows but what we may be called upon to take sides as well in the age old problems of dog versus cat, bird versus bird, or even bird versus worm. In my opinion, the State of Illinois and its local governing bodies already have enough to do without trying to control feline delinquency. For these reasons, and not because I love birds the less or cats the more, I veto and withhold my approval from Senate Bill No. 93. Respectfully, ADLAI E. STEVENSON, Governor http://mrgunnar.net/ap.cfm?subpage=348265 |
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On Dec 26, 7:51*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
It is in the nature of cats to do a certain amount of unescorted roaming.... Also consider the owner's dilemma: To escort a cat abroad on a leash is against the nature of the cat, and to permit it to venture forth for exercise unattended into a night of new dangers is against the nature of the owner... What you're telling me is you have no responsibility for the damage that your cat may cause on other people's property, because it is the cat's nature to do so. If that is really the case, then cat ownership should simply be prohibited, because there is no way to manage it responsibly. However, there are plenty of cat owners who ARE responsible and who do not let their cats roam the neighborhood unattended, at risk to themselves and causing harm to the neighbors. Much as I like horses, cows, and dogs, I don't want your animals in my yard, and it isn't my job to keep them out. Why should cats be any different? Very simply, keep your cat out of my yard. If you can't figure out how to do that, then you shouldn't own a cat. |
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On 12/29/2010 9:41 AM, TimR wrote:
On Dec 26, 7:51 pm, wrote: It is in the nature of cats to do a certain amount of unescorted roaming.... Also consider the owner's dilemma: To escort a cat abroad on a leash is against the nature of the cat, and to permit it to venture forth for exercise unattended into a night of new dangers is against the nature of the owner... What you're telling me is you have no responsibility for the damage that your cat may cause on other people's property, because it is the cat's nature to do so. If that is really the case, then cat ownership should simply be prohibited, because there is no way to manage it responsibly. However, there are plenty of cat owners who ARE responsible and who do not let their cats roam the neighborhood unattended, at risk to themselves and causing harm to the neighbors. Much as I like horses, cows, and dogs, I don't want your animals in my yard, and it isn't my job to keep them out. Why should cats be any different? Every neighborhood is different. Different feel different type of people live there. Now, I can understand a cat howling at night, and an owner has responsibility here. But a neighborhood where cats can't cross through your yard is way too uptight for me. I know of no laws that prohibit that. There's a lot of unregulated animal behaviour going on out there. Get over it. Jeff Very simply, keep your cat out of my yard. If you can't figure out how to do that, then you shouldn't own a cat. |
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On Dec 26, 7:51 pm, "HeyBub" wrote: It is in the nature of cats to do a certain amount of unescorted roaming.... Also consider the owner's dilemma: To escort a cat abroad on a leash is against the nature of the cat, and to permit it to venture forth for exercise unattended into a night of new dangers is against the nature of the owner... What you're telling me is you have no responsibility for the damage that your cat may cause on other people's property, because it is the cat's nature to do so. No, Adali Stevenson - twice Democratic nominee for President (against Eisenhower) and governor of Illinois is telling you that, not me. Very simply, keep your cat out of my yard. If you can't figure out how to do that, then you shouldn't own a cat. No, under the civil law your open, unfenced, yard is known as a "constructive nuisance." Further, it is much the same as an unfenced swimming pool, or in the law, a PIT. You are responsible for any damage to your property when its very being entices a child - or a cat. At least those are the points that could be made in a civil trial. |
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On Dec 24, 8:29*pm, Jeff Thies wrote:
* *I'm putting in a new door, as well as residing/rebuilding that part of the house, and I'm thinking of putting in the cat door in the wall rather than the door. * *I'd like to avoid some obvious problems, like water in the walls. *So either make a channel out of backer board or find about a 6" tube. Slope it down toward the outside so it drains and has a bit of wind blocking. * *Those are my ideas. I don't always have good ideas. Something else? The commercial cat doors have not been holding up for me, but they get a lot of use. * *Jeff You can get cat door that only open for your cat(s). The cat has to wear a collar though. |
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