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Cleanout for galvanized chimney
I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just
one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Is there supposed to be a cleanout in the house? Can I/should I put one in? No one who has been here to clean the furnace has ever said a word about cleaning the chimney. And I usually watched, so I know they didn't do it. I also have a metal chimney for the fireplace. Each chimeny has a metal chimney cap. Because I thought wood made fireplace chimneys dirty, I even had a chimney sweep to clean the fireplace chimney and after he left, I was sure he cleaned that one only and didn't even ask me if I wanted the other one cleaned. I think I would have said yes. Does it need it? I found a brush and poles at 80% off so I bought a set but I can't go up on the roof in the winter. Brick chimneys have cleanouts, but before the closet under the steps was full of junk, I've been behind the furnace and I sure don't remember seeing anything like that. Is it possible that my galvanized chimney has no cleanout? Should I put one in? Would it be hard? IIRC the chimney starts about six feet above the basement floor. TIA |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:39:59 -0500, Joe wrote:
I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Reading more webpages, I see that maybe one or both layers is stainless steel, not galvanized. |
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On Dec 20, 8:51*am, Joe wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:39:59 -0500, Joe wrote: I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Reading more webpages, I see that maybe one or both layers is stainless steel, not galvanized. All chimneys need cleaning. I would be very surprised if there is no means. Usually there is a door at the bottom of the vertical bit. It may be on the underside out of sight. |
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On Dec 20, 6:34*am, harry wrote:
On Dec 20, 8:51*am, Joe wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:39:59 -0500, Joe wrote: I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Reading more webpages, I see that maybe one or both layers is stainless steel, not galvanized. All chimneys need cleaning. I would be very surprised if there is no means. Usually there is a door at the bottom of the vertical bit. It may be on the underside out of sight. I'd say, no. Wood burning chimneys need cleaning but not oil or gas furnaces. |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Is there supposed to be a cleanout in the house? Can I/should I put one in? No one who has been here to clean the furnace has ever said a word about cleaning the chimney. And I usually watched, so I know they didn't do it. I also have a metal chimney for the fireplace. Each chimeny has a metal chimney cap. Because I thought wood made fireplace chimneys dirty, I even had a chimney sweep to clean the fireplace chimney and after he left, I was sure he cleaned that one only and didn't even ask me if I wanted the other one cleaned. I think I would have said yes. Does it need it? I found a brush and poles at 80% off so I bought a set but I can't go up on the roof in the winter. Brick chimneys have cleanouts, but before the closet under the steps was full of junk, I've been behind the furnace and I sure don't remember seeing anything like that. Is it possible that my galvanized chimney has no cleanout? Should I put one in? Would it be hard? IIRC the chimney starts about six feet above the basement floor. TIA I am not sure about oil-fired. I have never seen a gas vent with a clean out or one that needed it. Unlike slow burning wood the fuels do not create creosote. A properly tuned oil should create no soot. |
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I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Is there supposed to be a cleanout in the house? Can I/should I put one in? No one who has been here to clean the furnace has ever said a word about cleaning the chimney. And I usually watched, so I know they didn't do it. I also have a metal chimney for the fireplace. Each chimeny has a metal chimney cap. Because I thought wood made fireplace chimneys dirty, I even had a chimney sweep to clean the fireplace chimney and after he left, I was sure he cleaned that one only and didn't even ask me if I wanted the other one cleaned. I think I would have said yes. Does it need it? I found a brush and poles at 80% off so I bought a set but I can't go up on the roof in the winter. Brick chimneys have cleanouts, but before the closet under the steps was full of junk, I've been behind the furnace and I sure don't remember seeing anything like that. Is it possible that my galvanized chimney has no cleanout? Should I put one in? Would it be hard? IIRC the chimney starts about six feet above the basement floor. TIA The clean out is the end of the pipe where it connects to the stove. You disconnect it and run a brush through it. -- LSMFT Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist. |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 04:06:02 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote: On Dec 20, 6:34*am, harry wrote: On Dec 20, 8:51*am, Joe wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:39:59 -0500, Joe wrote: I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Reading more webpages, I see that maybe one or both layers is stainless steel, not galvanized. All chimneys need cleaning. I would be very surprised if there is no means. Usually there is a door at the bottom of the vertical bit. It may be on the underside out of sight. I'd say, no. Wood burning chimneys need cleaning but not oil or gas furnaces. I forgot, I should have mentioned part, or all?, of one season when for some reason the flue almost filled up with soot. 6 inch pipe, I think, with a full 2 inches of soot all around the inside and only 2 inches in the middle open, at least where it disconnected 3 feet from the furnace. This is when the carbon monoxide detector went off, actually waking me up. (I keep it in my bedroom.) I had a furnace man from a reputable company clean the flue, and clean and adjust the furnace, but he didn't clean the chimney, OR recommend that I have it cleaned! And I was clinically depressed and didnt' think of it. The first few years I was here the furnace men used at least a gauge or two to adjust things -- at least they measured the stack temperature -- but in recent years, they all, from different companies, skip that. And I didn't argue with them, because I was in, "They must know how to do it" mood. All they did was change the nozzle and adjust the electrodes. So for both the poor adjusting and the not telling me to clean the chimney, now I'm very disillusioned. This time, I'm telling the company to either send a guy who uses the gauges properly or don't send anyone at all. But don't I have to make sure the chimney is clean before I can expect even a guy who uses gauges to adjust the furnace correctly? |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:34:52 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote: On Dec 20, 8:51*am, Joe wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:39:59 -0500, Joe wrote: I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Reading more webpages, I see that maybe one or both layers is stainless steel, not galvanized. All chimneys need cleaning. I would be very surprised if there is no means. Usually there is a door at the bottom of the vertical bit. It may be on the underside out of sight. It turns out there is no door. The flue just turns to vertical and comes up to a horizontal black plate about 12 inches square at the ceiling It was hard to get in there, and I see now that I'd never seen the chimney from the bottom before (only above the roof), because the closet next to it which is my access is only 4 feet tall, underneath the stairway landing. I can only look horizontally from there, not up. Plus there were three 2x4's in the way, one in the middle, and I'd stored a folding card table up against them. When I tried to lean in to the furnace area and look up, I was afraid I would lose my footing and break my neck. So I moved about 70 spare fence pickets, and the card table, and got in there through the cobwebs, and there was no door! There was just one of those segmented pieces for making a flue turn corners, and from going slightly uphill, it turned vertical, up to the center of a black metal plate about 12 inches square. I couldnt' see but I suppose the flue detaches from the plate, and all the soot will fall on my head** but I don't know if it will reattach easily, after 28 years. ** Maybe I can wear a hat, or a plastic bag. The space is very small, only 16 inches wide by about 30 inches, half of that bounded by the furnace on one side and the wall on the other. I was sorry I hadn't left the front door unlocked and taken the cordless phone with me, in case I got stuck in there, and couldn't crouch down to get back under the stair landing, so I backed off and didn't get close enough to see everything***. Tomorrow I'll try to go in from the other side, but the water heater is close to the furnace and I don't think I could have squeezed by even when I was average weight. Now I'm fat but if I push my belly in, it's no bigger than my ribcage, which is average size for a 5'8" man, but I can't make it smaller. Anyhow, I called a chimney sweep today but have to call back now with this added info. The woman said he cleaned from both the basement and the roof, 170 dollars. Another 170, no discount, for a second chimney, even though he's already here and already on the roof! Chimney sweeps used to be children (or small men?), because they actually went down the chimneys I think, when chimneys were bigger. I should remember to tell them they should send one of their thin guys. ***It's so good to be healthy again. A couple years ago, about a month after abdominal surgery, I managed to move my 28-year-old washing machine away from the wall about 30 inches, and I tried sitting down behind it to tighten the belt. Each time, I could barely get up. I couldn't get my legs underneath me, and there was nothing to hold on to, except the laundry sink, which had no legs and was attached only to the wall, and I was afraid pulling myself up with that would pull the sink off the wall. I thought I'd be stuck there for weeks. (Later I put two legs under the front of the sink.) I was still tired from the surgery and staying in bed for more than 3 weeks. I coudln't tell if I'd actually tightened the belt while I was sitting there, only after I got out, so a year later I went back with a scribing tool, and a GM jack handle for leverage. Now it's tight and should last for 5 or 10 years. I am much stronger and more agile than for the month or two after the surgery. But it was still miserable in that small space, no room to stand up, since I was under the landing. |
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mm wrote: When I tried to lean in to the furnace area and look up, I was afraid I would lose my footing and break my neck. First the airbag, and now this. You seem pretty preoccupied with not wanting to break your neck. |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:47:47 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote: In article , mm wrote: When I tried to lean in to the furnace area and look up, I was afraid I would lose my footing and break my neck. First the airbag, and now this. You seem pretty preoccupied with not wanting to break your neck. You know, you're right! I didn't see the relationship before. It's a good thing there are no airbags on the furnace. |
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On Dec 21, 1:37*am, mm wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:34:52 -0800 (PST), harry wrote: On Dec 20, 8:51*am, Joe wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:39:59 -0500, Joe wrote: I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Reading more webpages, I see that maybe one or both layers is stainless steel, not galvanized. All chimneys need cleaning. I would be very surprised if there is no means. Usually there is a door at the bottom of the vertical bit. It may be on the underside out of sight. It turns out there is no door. * The flue just turns to vertical and comes up to a horizontal black plate about 12 inches square at the ceiling It was hard to get in there, and I see now that I'd never seen the chimney from the bottom before (only above the roof), because the closet next to it which is my access is only 4 feet tall, underneath the stairway landing. *I can only look horizontally from there, not up. Plus there were three 2x4's in the way, one in the middle, and I'd stored a folding card table up against them. *When I tried to lean in to the furnace area and look up, I was afraid I would lose my footing and break my neck. So I moved about 70 spare fence pickets, and the card table, and got in there through the cobwebs, and there was no door! There was just one of those segmented pieces for making a flue turn corners, and from going slightly uphill, it turned vertical, up to the center of a black metal plate about 12 inches square. *I couldnt' see but I suppose the flue detaches from the plate, and all the soot will fall on my head** but I don't know if it will reattach easily, after 28 years. ** Maybe I can wear a hat, or a plastic bag. *The space is very small, only 16 inches wide by about 30 inches, half of that bounded by the furnace on one side and the wall on the other. * I was sorry I hadn't left the front door unlocked and taken the cordless phone with me, in case I got stuck in there, and couldn't crouch down to get back under the stair landing, so I backed off and didn't get close enough to see everything***. Tomorrow I'll try to go in from the other side, but the water heater is close to the furnace and I don't think I could have squeezed by even when I was average weight. Now I'm fat but if I push my belly in, it's no bigger than my ribcage, which is average size for a 5'8" man, but I can't make it smaller. * * Anyhow, I called a chimney sweep today but have to call back now with this added info. *The woman said he cleaned from both the basement and the roof, 170 dollars. *Another 170, no discount, for a second chimney, even though he's already here and already on the roof! Chimney sweeps used to be children (or small men?), because they actually went down the chimneys I think, when chimneys were bigger. I should remember to tell them they should send one of their thin guys. ***It's so good to be healthy again. A couple years ago, about a month after abdominal surgery, I managed to move my 28-year-old washing machine away from the wall about 30 inches, and I tried sitting down behind it to tighten the belt. *Each time, I could barely get up. * I couldn't get my legs underneath me, and there was nothing to hold on to, except the laundry sink, which had no legs and was attached only to the wall, and I was afraid pulling myself up with that would pull the sink off the wall. *I thought I'd be stuck there for weeks. (Later I put two legs under the front of the sink.) I was still tired from the surgery and staying in bed for more than 3 weeks. I coudln't tell if I'd actually tightened the belt while I was sitting there, only after I got out, so a year later I went back with a scribing tool, and a GM jack handle for leverage. *Now it's tight and should last for 5 or 10 years. I am much stronger and more agile than for the month or two after the surgery. *But it was still miserable in that small space, no room to stand up, since I was under the landing. Well, who ever installed that chinmey was a cheapskate in your parlance. As there is no cleaning door it makes it neccessary to do it from the roof and from inside the furnace. I t may be possible to have one retro-.fitted if you can find the chimney manufacturer. It's quite dangerous not having the flue checked out regularly. Re chimneys and children, check out the "Water Babies" and Charles Kingsley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wat...or_a_Land_Baby |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 01:45:08 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote: On Dec 21, 1:37*am, mm wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:34:52 -0800 (PST), harry wrote: On Dec 20, 8:51*am, Joe wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:39:59 -0500, Joe wrote: I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Reading more webpages, I see that maybe one or both layers is stainless steel, not galvanized. All chimneys need cleaning. I would be very surprised if there is no means. Usually there is a door at the bottom of the vertical bit. It may be on the underside out of sight. It turns out there is no door. * The flue just turns to vertical and comes up to a horizontal black plate about 12 inches square at the ceiling It was hard to get in there, and I see now that I'd never seen the chimney from the bottom before (only above the roof), because the closet next to it which is my access is only 4 feet tall, underneath the stairway landing. *I can only look horizontally from there, not up. Plus there were three 2x4's in the way, one in the middle, and I'd stored a folding card table up against them. *When I tried to lean in to the furnace area and look up, I was afraid I would lose my footing and break my neck. So I moved about 70 spare fence pickets, and the card table, and got in there through the cobwebs, and there was no door! There was just one of those segmented pieces for making a flue turn corners, and from going slightly uphill, it turned vertical, up to the center of a black metal plate about 12 inches square. *I couldnt' see but I suppose the flue detaches from the plate, and all the soot will fall on my head** but I don't know if it will reattach easily, after 28 years. ** Maybe I can wear a hat, or a plastic bag. *The space is very small, only 16 inches wide by about 30 inches, half of that bounded by the furnace on one side and the wall on the other. * I was sorry I hadn't left the front door unlocked and taken the cordless phone with me, in case I got stuck in there, and couldn't crouch down to get back under the stair landing, so I backed off and didn't get close enough to see everything***. Tomorrow I'll try to go in from the other side, but the water heater is close to the furnace and I don't think I could have squeezed by even when I was average weight. Now I'm fat but if I push my belly in, it's no bigger than my ribcage, which is average size for a 5'8" man, but I can't make it smaller. * * Anyhow, I called a chimney sweep today but have to call back now with this added info. *The woman said he cleaned from both the basement and the roof, 170 dollars. *Another 170, no discount, for a second chimney, even though he's already here and already on the roof! Chimney sweeps used to be children (or small men?), because they actually went down the chimneys I think, when chimneys were bigger. I should remember to tell them they should send one of their thin guys. ***It's so good to be healthy again. A couple years ago, about a month after abdominal surgery, I managed to move my 28-year-old washing machine away from the wall about 30 inches, and I tried sitting down behind it to tighten the belt. *Each time, I could barely get up. * I couldn't get my legs underneath me, and there was nothing to hold on to, except the laundry sink, which had no legs and was attached only to the wall, and I was afraid pulling myself up with that would pull the sink off the wall. *I thought I'd be stuck there for weeks. (Later I put two legs under the front of the sink.) I was still tired from the surgery and staying in bed for more than 3 weeks. I coudln't tell if I'd actually tightened the belt while I was sitting there, only after I got out, so a year later I went back with a scribing tool, and a GM jack handle for leverage. *Now it's tight and should last for 5 or 10 years. I am much stronger and more agile than for the month or two after the surgery. *But it was still miserable in that small space, no room to stand up, since I was under the landing. Well, who ever installed that chinmey was a cheapskate in your parlance. As there is no cleaning door it makes it neccessary to do it from the roof and from inside the furnace. I talked to a couple chimney sweeps today, and they clean from the roof regardless, it seems. Also from the basement regardless, since they clean the stove pipe. This is there busy season, but I have one coming next week. I t may be possible to have one retro-.fitted if you can find the chimney manufacturer. It's quite dangerous not having the flue checked out regularly. Re chimneys and children, check out the "Water Babies" and Charles Kingsley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wat...or_a_Land_Baby Thanks |
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On Dec 21, 11:14*pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 01:45:08 -0800 (PST), harry wrote: On Dec 21, 1:37 am, mm wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:34:52 -0800 (PST), harry wrote: On Dec 20, 8:51 am, Joe wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:39:59 -0500, Joe wrote: I have a galvanized chimney, no bricks, no stones, no tile liner, just one galvanized sheet metal pipe within another, to keep the outside cool, and an oil furnace in the basement. Reading more webpages, I see that maybe one or both layers is stainless steel, not galvanized. All chimneys need cleaning. I would be very surprised if there is no means. Usually there is a door at the bottom of the vertical bit. It may be on the underside out of sight. It turns out there is no door. The flue just turns to vertical and comes up to a horizontal black plate about 12 inches square at the ceiling It was hard to get in there, and I see now that I'd never seen the chimney from the bottom before (only above the roof), because the closet next to it which is my access is only 4 feet tall, underneath the stairway landing. I can only look horizontally from there, not up. Plus there were three 2x4's in the way, one in the middle, and I'd stored a folding card table up against them. When I tried to lean in to the furnace area and look up, I was afraid I would lose my footing and break my neck. So I moved about 70 spare fence pickets, and the card table, and got in there through the cobwebs, and there was no door! There was just one of those segmented pieces for making a flue turn corners, and from going slightly uphill, it turned vertical, up to the center of a black metal plate about 12 inches square. I couldnt' see but I suppose the flue detaches from the plate, and all the soot will fall on my head** but I don't know if it will reattach easily, after 28 years. ** Maybe I can wear a hat, or a plastic bag. The space is very small, only 16 inches wide by about 30 inches, half of that bounded by the furnace on one side and the wall on the other. I was sorry I hadn't left the front door unlocked and taken the cordless phone with me, in case I got stuck in there, and couldn't crouch down to get back under the stair landing, so I backed off and didn't get close enough to see everything***. Tomorrow I'll try to go in from the other side, but the water heater is close to the furnace and I don't think I could have squeezed by even when I was average weight. Now I'm fat but if I push my belly in, it's no bigger than my ribcage, which is average size for a 5'8" man, but I can't make it smaller. Anyhow, I called a chimney sweep today but have to call back now with this added info. The woman said he cleaned from both the basement and the roof, 170 dollars. Another 170, no discount, for a second chimney, even though he's already here and already on the roof! Chimney sweeps used to be children (or small men?), because they actually went down the chimneys I think, when chimneys were bigger. I should remember to tell them they should send one of their thin guys. ***It's so good to be healthy again. A couple years ago, about a month after abdominal surgery, I managed to move my 28-year-old washing machine away from the wall about 30 inches, and I tried sitting down behind it to tighten the belt. Each time, I could barely get up. I couldn't get my legs underneath me, and there was nothing to hold on to, except the laundry sink, which had no legs and was attached only to the wall, and I was afraid pulling myself up with that would pull the sink off the wall. I thought I'd be stuck there for weeks. (Later I put two legs under the front of the sink.) I was still tired from the surgery and staying in bed for more than 3 weeks. I coudln't tell if I'd actually tightened the belt while I was sitting there, only after I got out, so a year later I went back with a scribing tool, and a GM jack handle for leverage. Now it's tight and should last for 5 or 10 years. I am much stronger and more agile than for the month or two after the surgery. But it was still miserable in that small space, no room to stand up, since I was under the landing. Well, who ever installed that chinmey was a cheapskate in your parlance. As there is no cleaning door it makes it neccessary to do it from the roof and from inside the furnace. I talked to a couple chimney sweeps today, and they clean from the roof regardless, it seems. *Also from the basement regardless, since they clean the stove pipe. * This is there busy season, but I have one coming next week. I t may be possible to have one retro-.fitted if you can find the chimney manufacturer. *It's quite dangerous not having the flue checked out regularly. Re chimneys and children, check out the "Water Babies" and Charles Kingsley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wat...Tale_for_a_Lan... Thanks- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you sure the flat black panel you described is not to be opened for cleaning? |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:14:52 -0500, mm
wrote: Well, who ever installed that chinmey was a cheapskate in your parlance. My parlance? As there is no cleaning door it makes it neccessary to do it from the roof and from inside the furnace. I talked to another chimney sweep company today**, and made an appointment with them for next Wednesday, and she said it was almost standard around here that the stove pipe bends and points up and meets the bottom of the metal chimney in line, and that there is no cleanout. There is more than one way to do; things. **I had to mention the lack of a cleanout to know whether to remove things so the sweep could get around the back of the furnace to the bottom of the chimney, because I thought he might do all the basement vacuuming via the stove pipe, which is already accessible. I guess besides brushing it from the roof, he's going to disconnect the stove pipe from the chimney to clean it. The soot falls to the bottom? I talked to a couple chimney sweeps today, and they clean from the roof regardless, it seems. Also from the basement regardless, since they clean the stove pipe. This is there busy season, but I have one coming next week. I t may be possible to have one retro-.fitted if you can find the chimney manufacturer. It's quite dangerous not having the flue checked out regularly. Re chimneys and children, check out the "Water Babies" and Charles Kingsley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wat...or_a_Land_Baby Thanks |
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