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Substrate for tiled counter?
I am finishing a bathroom counter.
It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. Thanks Rex B DFW -- I can see 2012 from my front porch |
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RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. A layer of cement tile backer board would be appropriate, the same as tiling a wall. I would however suggest you reconsider the idea of tiling the counter as in my experience tiled counters are less than ideal. Tile counters are hard, noisy, the surface is not level so bottles rock, and the grout lines are a royal pain to clean. |
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RBnDFW wrote:
I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. 1/4" backer board would form a more a stable layer to attach the tiles, eliminating the risk of wet plywood expansion causing cracks. Neither Grout nor most backer board are completely water proof. I have been very happy with my tiled bathroom counter, with none of the problems brought up by Pete. I do wipe up spills and water immediately with a towel to significantly reduce maintainence, and used large tiles with flat surfaces. |
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On 12/17/2010 10:58 AM, Bob F wrote:
RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. 1/4" backer board would form a more a stable layer to attach the tiles, eliminating the risk of wet plywood expansion causing cracks. Neither Grout nor most backer board are completely water proof. I was hoping for something thinner. I have been very happy with my tiled bathroom counter, with none of the problems brought up by Pete. I do wipe up spills and water immediately with a towel to significantly reduce maintainence, and used large tiles with flat surfaces. Unfortunately this will be mostly 2" square tiles - big mosaic, lots of grout. I figured I'd find a fine-grain grout that would be more or less waterproof. Anything wrong with using adhesive to attach them, to keep from adding anymore thickness? -- I can see 2012 from my front porch |
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On 12/17/2010 9:24 AM, Pete C. wrote:
RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. A layer of cement tile backer board would be appropriate, the same as tiling a wall. I would however suggest you reconsider the idea of tiling the counter as in my experience tiled counters are less than ideal. Tile counters are hard, noisy, the surface is not level so bottles rock, and the grout lines are a royal pain to clean. I had considered those negatives, and I don't agree. The wife and I have been back and forth on it for some time. We like the look. Thanks for the input -- I can see 2012 from my front porch |
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Substrate for tiled counter?
RBnDFW wrote:
On 12/17/2010 10:58 AM, Bob F wrote: RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. 1/4" backer board would form a more a stable layer to attach the tiles, eliminating the risk of wet plywood expansion causing cracks. Neither Grout nor most backer board are completely water proof. I was hoping for something thinner. I have been very happy with my tiled bathroom counter, with none of the problems brought up by Pete. I do wipe up spills and water immediately with a towel to significantly reduce maintainence, and used large tiles with flat surfaces. Unfortunately this will be mostly 2" square tiles - big mosaic, lots of grout. I figured I'd find a fine-grain grout that would be more or less waterproof. Anything wrong with using adhesive to attach them, to keep from adding anymore thickness? remove the plywood. make one of thinner plywood, then top with hardiboard. or you can remove the plywood and use full thickness cement board. you shouldn't use plywood for a substrate for tiles. |
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On Dec 17, 7:24*am, "Pete C." wrote:
RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. * * My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. * * But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? * Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. * * Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. *I only want to do this once. A layer of cement tile backer board would be appropriate, the same as tiling a wall. I would however suggest you reconsider the idea of tiling the counter as in my experience tiled counters are less than ideal. Tile counters are hard, noisy, the surface is not level so bottles rock, and the grout lines are a royal pain to clean. +1. I'll add that tiles are more delicate than you might expect. One hard hit, and you'll be doing this again. |
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"RBnDFW" wrote in message ... On 12/17/2010 10:58 AM, Bob F wrote: RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. 1/4" backer board would form a more a stable layer to attach the tiles, eliminating the risk of wet plywood expansion causing cracks. Neither Grout nor most backer board are completely water proof. I was hoping for something thinner. I have been very happy with my tiled bathroom counter, with none of the problems brought up by Pete. I do wipe up spills and water immediately with a towel to significantly reduce maintainence, and used large tiles with flat surfaces. Unfortunately this will be mostly 2" square tiles - big mosaic, lots of grout. I figured I'd find a fine-grain grout that would be more or less waterproof. Anything wrong with using adhesive to attach them, to keep from adding anymore thickness? -- I can see 2012 from my front porch The extra 1/8" will make no material difference. Your house and your choice but you asked for advice which we have all freely given and we all agree. If it is absolution for the sin you are about to commit, please consult a member of the clergy because we don't do that here. -- Colbyt Please come visit http://www.househomerepair.com |
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Substrate for tiled counter?
On Dec 17, 11:24*am, "Pete C." wrote:
RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. * * My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. * * But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? * Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. * * Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. *I only want to do this once. A layer of cement tile backer board would be appropriate, the same as tiling a wall. I would however suggest you reconsider the idea of tiling the counter as in my experience tiled counters are less than ideal. Tile counters are hard, noisy, the surface is not level so bottles rock, and the grout lines are a royal pain to clean. For years tile has been installed on kitchen counters long before the invention of cement backer board. My friend did his counter top in tiles that are the same width as the counter top and grout lines are very thin. Black tiles with very dark green grout is epoxy type, needs no sealer and no problem to clean. Jimmie |
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JIMMIE wrote:
On Dec 17, 11:24 am, "Pete C." wrote: RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. A layer of cement tile backer board would be appropriate, the same as tiling a wall. I would however suggest you reconsider the idea of tiling the counter as in my experience tiled counters are less than ideal. Tile counters are hard, noisy, the surface is not level so bottles rock, and the grout lines are a royal pain to clean. For years tile has been installed on kitchen counters long before the invention of cement backer board. My friend did his counter top in tiles that are the same width as the counter top and grout lines are very thin. Black tiles with very dark green grout is epoxy type, needs no sealer and no problem to clean. Jimmie and the substrate for years has been a concrete bed, not plywood. |
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On 12/17/2010 12:47 PM, RBnDFW wrote:
On 12/17/2010 9:24 AM, Pete C. wrote: RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. A layer of cement tile backer board would be appropriate, the same as tiling a wall. I would however suggest you reconsider the idea of tiling the counter as in my experience tiled counters are less than ideal. Tile counters are hard, noisy, the surface is not level so bottles rock, and the grout lines are a royal pain to clean. I had considered those negatives, and I don't agree. That should have read "we don't DISagree" We are willing to to forgo the smooth surface so that the counter will match the floor and shower. The wife and I have been back and forth on it for some time. We like the look. Thanks for the input -- I can see 2012 from my front porch |
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RBnDFW wrote: On 12/17/2010 12:47 PM, RBnDFW wrote: On 12/17/2010 9:24 AM, Pete C. wrote: RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. A layer of cement tile backer board would be appropriate, the same as tiling a wall. I would however suggest you reconsider the idea of tiling the counter as in my experience tiled counters are less than ideal. Tile counters are hard, noisy, the surface is not level so bottles rock, and the grout lines are a royal pain to clean. I had considered those negatives, and I don't agree. That should have read "we don't DISagree" We are willing to to forgo the smooth surface so that the counter will match the floor and shower. The wife and I have been back and forth on it for some time. We like the look. Thanks for the input Split the difference and after tiling give it a coat of something like System3 Mirror Coat epoxy perhaps? Smooth and softer crystal clear surface over your matching tile? |
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"RBnDFW" wrote Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. Thanks Rex B DFW If you only want to do it once, toss the cheap tiles, and grout that fails and stains, and get some granite. Steve |
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On 12/17/2010 3:41 PM, Pete C. wrote:
RBnDFW wrote: On 12/17/2010 12:47 PM, RBnDFW wrote: On 12/17/2010 9:24 AM, Pete C. wrote: RBnDFW wrote: I am finishing a bathroom counter. It's approx 75"x25" and will have two sink bowls Right now I have the top made from 3/4" plywood. It is not marine grade plywood BTW. The tiles are cut and ready to lay. My original plan was to use structural adhesive to attach the tiles to the plywood and then grout. But I bet I need a waterproof substrate - backer board, cement board, Hardiboard? Problem is I don't want to make the top any thicker than it already is, though 1/8" or so would be fine. Any suggestions welcome on materials and method. I only want to do this once. A layer of cement tile backer board would be appropriate, the same as tiling a wall. I would however suggest you reconsider the idea of tiling the counter as in my experience tiled counters are less than ideal. Tile counters are hard, noisy, the surface is not level so bottles rock, and the grout lines are a royal pain to clean. I had considered those negatives, and I don't agree. That should have read "we don't DISagree" We are willing to to forgo the smooth surface so that the counter will match the floor and shower. The wife and I have been back and forth on it for some time. We like the look. Thanks for the input Split the difference and after tiling give it a coat of something like System3 Mirror Coat epoxy perhaps? Smooth and softer crystal clear surface over your matching tile? That's an interesting idea. I was concerned that the grout would pass moisture. Thank you -- I can see 2012 from my front porch |
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RBnDFW wrote:
That's an interesting idea. I was concerned that the grout would pass moisture. If that's your issue, you could use epoxy grout. |
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On Dec 17, 5:49*pm, "Bob F" wrote:
RBnDFW wrote: That's an interesting idea. I was concerned that the grout would pass moisture. If that's your issue, you could use epoxy grout. Back in stone age, when we would use plywood in wet areas (like a hanger board for wall-hung sink or towel bar), we would often paint the plywood all six sides with epoxy before installing, like when you are building a fiberglass boat and installing mounting pads. But that was dfor mechanical fastening- dunno if thinset or mastic wil stick to epoxy. -- aem sends, temporarily on Google... |
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aemeijers wrote:
On Dec 17, 5:49 pm, "Bob F" wrote: RBnDFW wrote: That's an interesting idea. I was concerned that the grout would pass moisture. If that's your issue, you could use epoxy grout. Back in stone age, when we would use plywood in wet areas (like a hanger board for wall-hung sink or towel bar), we would often paint the plywood all six sides with epoxy before installing, like when you are building a fiberglass boat and installing mounting pads. But that was dfor mechanical fastening- dunno if thinset or mastic wil stick to epoxy. I bet epoxy grout will stick to it. I used epoxy grout on my hot tub floor for both mounting the tile and grouting it, after the first floor tile came loose. |
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