On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.


More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

Jeff



This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

On Dec 8, 4:44*pm, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:



Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

On Dec 9, 4:59*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:44*pm, Jeff Thies wrote:





On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

* *Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's the roots that's the problem, not the toilet.

On 12/9/2010 3:17 AM, harry wrote:
On Dec 9, 4:59 am, wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff wrote:





On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's the roots that's the problem, not the toilet.

I killed mine with, I believe, some kind of copper sulphate solution.
Googling for root killer I ran across this:

http://www.rex-bac-t.com/p-23-rootx-...FYGW7QodSkui0w

Something like that may be worth a try.

Jeff

On Dec 9, 3:17*am, harry wrote:
On Dec 9, 4:59*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:





On Dec 8, 4:44*pm, Jeff Thies wrote:

On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Dec 9, 3:17 am, harry wrote:
On Dec 9, 4:59 am, DerbyDad03
wrote:





On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff Thies
wrote:

On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend
yesterday, just wanted to plop in my observations
here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not
very old, but in a basement bath with a history of
clogging problems. So my friend got a new low-flush
unit which was supposed to be much better at
disposing of waste. When I got a look at the tank I
could see why: instead of the normal outlet and
flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into
the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home
Despot, so I assume it's available pretty much
anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the
bottom of the tank like you'd expect, the flapper
sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats
the pants off my old toilet. Never clogs. Flushes
super quick. Amazing.

Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave
that much water in the bottom of the tank; there
must be some reason for this. (Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard
toilet. 3 inch flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits
pretty much on the bottom of the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what
happens after the waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial
blockages and gurgling toilets once every year or so.
$35 to rent a 100 foot snake clears the problem. The
money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up (yuck!)
and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving
waste through the pipe I'm going to get blockages
sooner since things won't be moving along quite as
quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost
to replace the sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's the roots that's the problem, not the toilet.- Hide
quoted text -

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"It's the roots that's the problem, not the toilet"

err...no sh*t. (pun intended)

However, from a real life perspective, it really doesn't
matter what's to blame. The point is that if 1.6 gallons
move the stuff fast enough to move it past the roots but
1.28 gallons won't, my "partial blockages" might occur
sooner.

In other words, if I'm willing to live with snaking the
pipes every 18 months but not every 6 months, then using
the 1.28 GPF toilet might require me to replace the sewer
pipe. From that perspective, I'd be replacing the pipe
because I replaced the toilet.

I have the same root problems in two houses. I have used
copper sulfate for years, uncertain whether it helps. CuS
has gotten pricey. I'm going to try flushing a handful of
(water softener) salt pellets every couple of weeks. Hope
they will get caught in roots and remain active longer than
the CuS that passes through quickly.

Replacing the pipe means opening the slab floors (and moving
the furnace at one house). Big job.

Bryce wrote:

I have the same root problems in two houses. I have used
copper sulfate for years, uncertain whether it helps. CuS
has gotten pricey. I'm going to try flushing a handful of
(water softener) salt pellets every couple of weeks. Hope
they will get caught in roots and remain active longer than
the CuS that passes through quickly.

Replacing the pipe means opening the slab floors (and moving
the furnace at one house). Big job.

Don't know if this would work, but it might be worth a try...

Hang, or drop, a cloth bag of those salt pellets in the tank. Some amount of
them will dissolve with each flush, keeping the drain rather briney. If you
have to replenish the bag every month, the technique would seem worthwhile -
once a day, not so much.

On 12/8/2010 10:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:



Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.


just flush it twice. Or get an old 3.5gal toilet from a sale.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On Dec 9, 11:43*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 12/8/2010 10:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:





On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff *wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

* * Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.

just flush it twice. *Or get an old 3.5gal toilet from a sale.

--
Steve Barker
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"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.

Worth watching the metal. Some ionic salts are destruction to metal
parts. Might be better to flush some lumps of whatever. Water softener
pellets, maybe.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Bryce"
wrote in message ...

Hang, or drop, a cloth bag of those salt pellets in the
tank. Some amount of them will dissolve with each flush,
keeping the drain rather briney. If you have to replenish
the bag every month, the technique would seem worthwhile -
once a day, not so much.

Thanks! I may try that, with frequent peeks into the tank to
see how the assortment of metal (brass, copper, steel) parts
are coping with the new flavor.

After my earlier post, I realized it's CuSO4, not CuS. Sigh.

On 12/10/2010 7:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Dec 9, 11:43 pm, Steve wrote:
On 12/8/2010 10:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:





On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.

just flush it twice. Or get an old 3.5gal toilet from a sale.

--
Steve Barker
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- Show quoted text -

"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.

well no one's forcing these people to use these "modern" toilets, then
bitch about them. I find perfectly fine and usable 3.5 gallon units at
sales all the time. I always use them especially when it is a long run
to the main or septic tank.


--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

DerbyDad03 wrote:

"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.

1. Well, the 1.6 gallon tank DOES fill quickly...

2. This illustrates how government agencies work at cross purposes. Follow
along:

a. One agency mandates low-flow toilets to save water ("It's for the
children").
b. Another encourages everyone to eat more fruits and vegetables.

The latter scheme results in a greater percentage of "floaters" than the
previous diet of meats (which resulted in more "sinkers"). It's generally
the "floaters" that mandate multiple flushes.

On 12/10/2010 4:15 PM, HeyBub wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.
1. Well, the 1.6 gallon tank DOES fill quickly...

2. This illustrates how government agencies work at cross purposes. Follow
along:

a. One agency mandates low-flow toilets to save water ("It's for the
children").
b. Another encourages everyone to eat more fruits and vegetables.

The latter scheme results in a greater percentage of "floaters" than the
previous diet of meats (which resulted in more "sinkers"). It's generally
the "floaters" that mandate multiple flushes.


Now THERE'S A MAN WHO KNOWS HIS TURDS......

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:25:03 -0500, Smarty wrote:

On 12/10/2010 4:15 PM, HeyBub wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.
1. Well, the 1.6 gallon tank DOES fill quickly...

2. This illustrates how government agencies work at cross purposes. Follow
along:

a. One agency mandates low-flow toilets to save water ("It's for the
children").
b. Another encourages everyone to eat more fruits and vegetables.

The latter scheme results in a greater percentage of "floaters" than the
previous diet of meats (which resulted in more "sinkers"). It's generally
the "floaters" that mandate multiple flushes.


Now THERE'S A MAN WHO KNOWS HIS TURDS......

Smarter than ****, huh!?

On Dec 10, 3:19*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 12/10/2010 7:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:



On Dec 9, 11:43 pm, Steve *wrote:
On 12/8/2010 10:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff * *wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

On 12/10/2010 8:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:19 pm, Steve wrote:
On 12/10/2010 7:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:



On Dec 9, 11:43 pm, Steve wrote:
On 12/8/2010 10:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.

just flush it twice. Or get an old 3.5gal toilet from a sale.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.

well no one's forcing these people to use these "modern" toilets, then
bitch about them. I find perfectly fine and usable 3.5 gallon units at
sales all the time. I always use them especially when it is a long run
to the main or septic tank.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Let me run the purchase of somebody else's used toilet past the wife.

I'll let you know how that works out. ;-)

It's a piece of frickin porcelain. Your wife needs help.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 12/10/2010 8:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:19 pm, Steve wrote:
On 12/10/2010 7:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:



On Dec 9, 11:43 pm, Steve wrote:
On 12/8/2010 10:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.

just flush it twice. Or get an old 3.5gal toilet from a sale.

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"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.

well no one's forcing these people to use these "modern" toilets, then
bitch about them. I find perfectly fine and usable 3.5 gallon units at
sales all the time. I always use them especially when it is a long run
to the main or septic tank.

--
Steve Barker
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Let me run the purchase of somebody else's used toilet past the wife.

I'll let you know how that works out. ;-)

Does she think all the public toilets and hotel toilets are all brand new?

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Replaced, nightly.

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Let me run the purchase of somebody else's used toilet past the
wife.

I'll let you know how that works out. ;-)

Does she think all the public toilets and hotel toilets are all brand
new?

--
Steve Barker
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Oren wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:25:03 -0500, Smarty wrote:

On 12/10/2010 4:15 PM, HeyBub wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.
1. Well, the 1.6 gallon tank DOES fill quickly...

2. This illustrates how government agencies work at cross purposes. Follow
along:

a. One agency mandates low-flow toilets to save water ("It's for the
children").
b. Another encourages everyone to eat more fruits and vegetables.

The latter scheme results in a greater percentage of "floaters" than the
previous diet of meats (which resulted in more "sinkers"). It's generally
the "floaters" that mandate multiple flushes.


Now THERE'S A MAN WHO KNOWS HIS TURDS......

Smarter than ****, huh!?

LOL

On 12/10/2010 7:52 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:25:03 -0500, wrote:

On 12/10/2010 4:15 PM, HeyBub wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.
1. Well, the 1.6 gallon tank DOES fill quickly...

2. This illustrates how government agencies work at cross purposes. Follow
along:

a. One agency mandates low-flow toilets to save water ("It's for the
children").
b. Another encourages everyone to eat more fruits and vegetables.

The latter scheme results in a greater percentage of "floaters" than the
previous diet of meats (which resulted in more "sinkers"). It's generally
the "floaters" that mandate multiple flushes.


Now THERE'S A MAN WHO KNOWS HIS TURDS......

Smarter than ****, huh!?

I seem to remember the singing California Raisins, someone could do an
ad campaign with singing...... um, never mind. :-)

TDD

On 12/11/2010 11:23 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In ,
The Daring wrote:



I seem to remember the singing California Raisins, someone could do an
ad campaign with singing...... um, never mind. :-)

TDD

I think South Park covered that pretty thoroughly, Duf.

Adolescent boys and old men like my favorite Christmas song too. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKpB3E8deSw

TDD

On Dec 10, 10:35*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 12/10/2010 8:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:



On Dec 10, 3:19 pm, Steve *wrote:
On 12/10/2010 7:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Dec 9, 11:43 pm, Steve * *wrote:
On 12/8/2010 10:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff * * *wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

* * * Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.

just flush it twice. *Or get an old 3.5gal toilet from a sale.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.

well no one's forcing these people to use these "modern" toilets, then
bitch about them. *I find perfectly fine and usable 3.5 gallon units at
sales all the time. *I always use them especially when it is a long run
to the main or septic tank.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Let me run the purchase of somebody else's used toilet past the wife.

I'll let you know how that works out. *;-)

It's a piece of frickin porcelain. *Your wife needs help.

--
Steve Barker
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Try a laxative. It'll relax you.

On Dec 10, 10:36*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 12/10/2010 8:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:



On Dec 10, 3:19 pm, Steve *wrote:
On 12/10/2010 7:43 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Dec 9, 11:43 pm, Steve * *wrote:
On 12/8/2010 10:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Dec 8, 4:44 pm, Jeff * * *wrote:
On 12/8/2010 2:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:

Having just replaced a toilet for a friend yesterday, just wanted to
plop in my observations here for those who might be looking to do the same.

The toilet being replaced was a low-flush one, not very old, but in a
basement bath with a history of clogging problems. So my friend got a
new low-flush unit which was supposed to be much better at disposing of
waste. When I got a look at the tank I could see why: instead of the
normal outlet and flapper, this one had a 4" opening, significantly
larger. Which means that the water whooshes into the toilet a lot faster.

We'll see if it makes a difference.

I don't remember the make, but he got it at Home Despot, so I assume
it's available pretty much anywhere.

One weird thing, though: instead of being at the bottom of the tank like
you'd expect, the flapper sits a couple of inches up on an extension.

More gravity working for you. Water height.

Got a Kohlar Cimmaron 1.28 here (literally). Beats the pants off my old
toilet. Never clogs. Flushes super quick. Amazing.

* * * Jeff

This is obviously by design. Seems strange to leave that much water in
the bottom of the tank; there must be some reason for this.
(Hydrodynamics?)

I recently installed a 1.28 gpf American Standard toilet. 3 inch
flapper, large siphon hole. Flapper sits pretty much on the bottom of
the tank.

It flushes great, but I've got a concern about what happens after the
waste leaves the bowl.

We get roots in our pipes and end up with partial blockages and
gurgling toilets once every year or so. $35 to rent a 100 foot snake
clears the problem. The money is nothing, it's the pick-up, clean-up
(yuck!) and drop off that's a pain.

Anyway, my concern is that with 20% less water moving waste through
the pipe I'm going to get blockages sooner since things won't be
moving along quite as quickly and could get caught sooner.

What I save on water will be dwarfed by what it'll cost to replace the
sewer pipe to eliminate the problem.

just flush it twice. *Or get an old 3.5gal toilet from a sale.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"just flush it twice. "

Right. Like it make sense to upgrade your toilet for better efficiency
(and for other reasons in my case) and then to flush it, wait for the
tank to fill up and then flush it again.

well no one's forcing these people to use these "modern" toilets, then
bitch about them. *I find perfectly fine and usable 3.5 gallon units at
sales all the time. *I always use them especially when it is a long run
to the main or septic tank.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Let me run the purchase of somebody else's used toilet past the wife.

I'll let you know how that works out. *;-)

Does she think all the public toilets and hotel toilets are all brand new?

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Wow! My little joke bothered you so much you had to reply twice?

Chill out...it's almost Christmas.