Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday & Wednesday
night. We needed it but it is too late to save my grass/weeds. Anyway, we
had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and it soaked about four or five
square feet of sheetrock. My son-in-law is an excellent carpenter and fix
anything type of guy. He is fifty years old, and has a lot of experience.
This is what he does for a living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well as
other jobs. I trust his judgment, honesty, and ability. I have asked him
if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and repairing the
sheetrock. He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and found some
problems (some flashing problems and some mortar problems). Of course, he
doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going rate,
which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do the
work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that kind of
work any more. So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have to hire
an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that I trust
and admire his work ethic. So, I want to pay him what I'd have to pay
someone else, but I don't know what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of reasons.
But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I should pay him.
I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less than normal. If someone
from the central Texas area (North of Austin) has any input, that would be
especially helpful

Thanks in advance. Bob-tx

Bob-tx wrote the following:
Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday &
Wednesday night. We needed it but it is too late to save my
grass/weeds. Anyway, we had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and
it soaked about four or five square feet of sheetrock. My son-in-law
is an excellent carpenter and fix anything type of guy. He is fifty
years old, and has a lot of experience. This is what he does for a
living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well
as other jobs. I trust his judgment, honesty, and ability. I have
asked him if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and
repairing the sheetrock. He came out today, and looked around the
chimney, and found some problems (some flashing problems and some
mortar problems). Of course, he doesn't know for sure but it is a
good place to start and then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going
rate, which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone
to do the work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and
doing that kind of work any more. So, if he doesn't do the work, I
am going to have to hire an unknown person to do it, and I would
prefer my son-in-law that I trust and admire his work ethic. So, I
want to pay him what I'd have to pay someone else, but I don't know
what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of
reasons. But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I
should pay him. I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less
than normal. If someone from the central Texas area (North of Austin)
has any input, that would be especially helpful

Thanks in advance. Bob-tx

He's your son in law. If he doesn't want to charge you the going rate,
then don't push it.
How would your daughter feel if he charged you like he would for any
other person?
If you feel he undercharged you, buy him a tool he may need.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

"Bob-tx" NOBSPAM wrote in message
...
Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday &
Wednesday night. We needed it but it is too late to save my grass/weeds.
Anyway, we had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and it soaked about
four or five square feet of sheetrock. My son-in-law is an excellent
carpenter and fix anything type of guy. He is fifty years old, and has a
lot of experience. This is what he does for a living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well as
other jobs. I trust his judgment, honesty, and ability. I have asked
him if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and repairing
the sheetrock. He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and
found some problems (some flashing problems and some mortar problems).
Of course, he doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and
then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going
rate, which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do
the work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that
kind of work any more. So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have
to hire an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that
I trust and admire his work ethic. So, I want to pay him what I'd have
to pay someone else, but I don't know what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of reasons.
But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I should pay him.
I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less than normal. If
someone from the central Texas area (North of Austin) has any input, that
would be especially helpful

Thanks in advance. Bob-tx

It is an unknown. I charge $85 an our with a 40 hour minimum.

You should be able to get a knowledgeable drywall guy in today's market for
$25 an hour, and furnish everything. Drywall isn't rocket surgery, but an
good drywall guy makes it look easy, and is in and out and GONE! And it
looks good for a long time.

Ask around. Get referrals. Treat them nice, buy some lunch and beer, and
the price per hour by the time the job ends usually goes down.

Watch out for the sharks, too. You want the type of guy who can be left
alone.

Steve

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:39:39 -0500, "Bob-tx" NOBSPAM
wrote:

Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday & Wednesday
night. We needed it but it is too late to save my grass/weeds. Anyway, we
had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and it soaked about four or five
square feet of sheetrock. My son-in-law is an excellent carpenter and fix
anything type of guy. He is fifty years old, and has a lot of experience.
This is what he does for a living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well as
other jobs. I trust his judgment, honesty, and ability. I have asked him
if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and repairing the
sheetrock. He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and found some
problems (some flashing problems and some mortar problems). Of course, he
doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going rate,
which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do the
work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that kind of
work any more. So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have to hire
an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that I trust
and admire his work ethic. So, I want to pay him what I'd have to pay
someone else, but I don't know what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of reasons.
But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I should pay him.
I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less than normal. If someone
from the central Texas area (North of Austin) has any input, that would be
especially helpful

Thanks in advance. Bob-tx


You can't find out without getting estimates, and even then you don't
know what the final cost will be.
If you trust him as you say, just add 25%-50% to what he says,
depending on your wallet.
You'll both be happy. He's family.
Though he never asks, I pay my son for doing most of the work on my
cars. I usually just add up the hours he worked and multiply them by
50 bucks.
Sometimes he'll do a job faster than a shop would, because he's good.
Then he might get $100 for an hour's work.

--Vic

"Bob-tx" NOBSPAM wrote

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going
rate, which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do
the work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that
kind of work any more. So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have
to hire an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that
I trust and admire his work ethic. So, I want to pay him what I'd have
to pay someone else, but I don't know what that would be.


I know two people that do that type of work. One is a legit contractor with
all the overhead of insurance, truck, etc. He charges $40 an hour. The
other is a side line cash under the table guy. He charges $20 an hour.

This is you SIL though. He may just want to help and do it for little more
than actual cost. If so, buy him a bottle of his favorite adult beverage or
take the kids out to a nice dinner.

On Sep 9, 12:39*pm, "Bob-tx" NOBSPAM wrote:
Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday & Wednesday
night. *We needed it but it is too late to save my grass/weeds. *Anyway, we
had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and it soaked about four or five
square feet of sheetrock. * My son-in-law is an excellent carpenter and fix
anything type of guy. *He is fifty years old, and has a lot of experience.
This is what he does for a living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well as
other jobs. *I trust his judgment, honesty, and *ability. *I have asked him
if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and repairing the
sheetrock. *He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and found some
problems (some flashing problems and some mortar *problems). *Of course, he
doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going rate,
which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do the
work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that kind of
work any more. * So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have to hire
an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that I trust
and admire his work ethic. * So, I want to pay him what I'd have to pay
someone else, but I don't know what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of reasons..
But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I should pay him.
I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less than normal. *If someone
from the central Texas area (North of Austin) has any input, that would be
especially helpful

Thanks in advance. * *Bob-tx

You might consider soliciting at least three bids from local
contractors then agree with your son-in-law on which bid is fair
value. That provides objective value estimation while still allowing
for subjective considerations.

On Sep 9, 3:39*pm, "Bob-tx" NOBSPAM wrote:
Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday & Wednesday
night. *We needed it but it is too late to save my grass/weeds. *Anyway, we
had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and it soaked about four or five
square feet of sheetrock. * My son-in-law is an excellent carpenter and fix
anything type of guy. *He is fifty years old, and has a lot of experience.
This is what he does for a living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well as
other jobs. *I trust his judgment, honesty, and *ability. *I have asked him
if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and repairing the
sheetrock. *He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and found some
problems (some flashing problems and some mortar *problems). *Of course, he
doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going rate,
which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do the
work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that kind of
work any more. * So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have to hire
an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that I trust
and admire his work ethic. * So, I want to pay him what I'd have to pay
someone else, but I don't know what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of reasons..
But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I should pay him.
I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less than normal. *If someone
from the central Texas area (North of Austin) has any input, that would be
especially helpful

Thanks in advance. * *Bob-tx

Wait until the job is finished, then ask him what you owe. If he says
you owe nothing, or just a little for materials, pay him what he says.
Then ask your daughter what he has been wanting or could use. She may
have more insight than you.

Hank ~~~been there, done that

On 9/9/2010 10:48 PM, RosemontCrest wrote:
On Sep 9, 12:39 pm, "Bob-tx"NOBSPAM wrote:
Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday& Wednesday
night. We needed it but it is too late to save my grass/weeds. Anyway, we
had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and it soaked about four or five
square feet of sheetrock. My son-in-law is an excellent carpenter and fix
anything type of guy. He is fifty years old, and has a lot of experience.
This is what he does for a living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well as
other jobs. I trust his judgment, honesty, and ability. I have asked him
if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and repairing the
sheetrock. He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and found some
problems (some flashing problems and some mortar problems). Of course, he
doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going rate,
which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do the
work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that kind of
work any more. So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have to hire
an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that I trust
and admire his work ethic. So, I want to pay him what I'd have to pay
someone else, but I don't know what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of reasons.
But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I should pay him.
I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less than normal. If someone
from the central Texas area (North of Austin) has any input, that would be
especially helpful

Thanks in advance. Bob-tx

You might consider soliciting at least three bids from local
contractors then agree with your son-in-law on which bid is fair
value. That provides objective value estimation while still allowing
for subjective considerations.

Understand the concept, and it is valid. However, I would feel a little
guilty wasting the time of a tradesman that I KNEW I wasn't gonna use.
That is sort of like using a local electronics or furniture store to
'test drive' something, then buying it online.

I think the next post, where somebody suggested 'pay him what he asks',
and then conspire with daughter to get him a Really Nice bonus gift, is
the way to go here. Or if they have kids, use your best guess of the
difference between his bill and a SWAG of say, 50 bucks an hour, to put
a donation in their college fund accounts. Justify it with 'I can afford
it, and that is what I would have had to spend otherwise.'

But having grown up in the business- there is street price, and family
price. I never saw a tradesman charge family anything beyond his
expenses, and maybe free meals while he was there working. Of course,
non-emergency family jobs had to be tucked in around the regular jobs,
so the completion schedule was often a little iffy.

--
aem sends...

"Bob-tx" NOBSPAM wrote in message
...
Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday &
Wednesday night. We needed it but it is too late to save my grass/weeds.
Anyway, we had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and it soaked about
four or five square feet of sheetrock. My son-in-law is an excellent
carpenter and fix anything type of guy. He is fifty years old, and has a
lot of experience. This is what he does for a living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well as
other jobs. I trust his judgment, honesty, and ability. I have asked
him if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and repairing
the sheetrock. He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and
found some problems (some flashing problems and some mortar problems).
Of course, he doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and
then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going
rate, which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do
the work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that
kind of work any more. So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have
to hire an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that
I trust and admire his work ethic. So, I want to pay him what I'd have
to pay someone else, but I don't know what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of reasons.
But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I should pay him.
I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less than normal. If
someone from the central Texas area (North of Austin) has any input, that
would be especially helpful

Thanks in advance. Bob-tx


Of the replies to date, for my part of the country the $40/20 reply was
about the closest.

If your SIL is missing other work to do yours I think you should pay the
going rate. If he does not accept that the gift concept is a really good
one.

But you should not be upset if he wants to give some discount. I always
helped out my father-in-law around his house for free or gifts but when I
did work on his rental house he paid the going rate. We both understood that
concept.

Colbyt

aemeijers wrote:
On 9/9/2010 10:48 PM, RosemontCrest wrote:
On Sep 9, 12:39 pm, "Bob-tx"NOBSPAM wrote:
Here in central Texas, we had 12+ inches of rain last Wednesday&
Wednesday
night. We needed it but it is too late to save my grass/weeds.
Anyway, we
had a leak around the fireplace chimney, and it soaked about four or
five
square feet of sheetrock. My son-in-law is an excellent carpenter
and fix
anything type of guy. He is fifty years old, and has a lot of
experience.
This is what he does for a living.

I know he does good work from seeing his home that he built, as well as
other jobs. I trust his judgment, honesty, and ability. I have
asked him
if he would take the job of finding the leak, fixing it, and
repairing the
sheetrock. He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and
found some
problems (some flashing problems and some mortar problems). Of
course, he
doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and then test it.

Anyway, I have a concern that he will not charge me his regular going
rate,
which I can understand, but I am going to have to hire someone to do the
work since I am just too old to be climbing ladders and doing that
kind of
work any more. So, if he doesn't do the work, I am going to have to
hire
an unknown person to do it, and I would prefer my son-in-law that I
trust
and admire his work ethic. So, I want to pay him what I'd have to pay
someone else, but I don't know what that would be.

I know hourly rates would vary widely by location for a number of
reasons.
But could you guys maybe get me in the ballpark on what I should pay
him.
I am sure he will try to charge me a good deal less than normal. If
someone
from the central Texas area (North of Austin) has any input, that
would be
especially helpful

Thanks in advance. Bob-tx

You might consider soliciting at least three bids from local
contractors then agree with your son-in-law on which bid is fair
value. That provides objective value estimation while still allowing
for subjective considerations.

Understand the concept, and it is valid. However, I would feel a little
guilty wasting the time of a tradesman that I KNEW I wasn't gonna use.
That is sort of like using a local electronics or furniture store to
'test drive' something, then buying it online.

I think the next post, where somebody suggested 'pay him what he asks',
and then conspire with daughter to get him a Really Nice bonus gift, is
the way to go here. Or if they have kids, use your best guess of the
difference between his bill and a SWAG of say, 50 bucks an hour, to put
a donation in their college fund accounts. Justify it with 'I can afford
it, and that is what I would have had to spend otherwise.'

But having grown up in the business- there is street price, and family
price. I never saw a tradesman charge family anything beyond his
expenses, and maybe free meals while he was there working. Of course,
non-emergency family jobs had to be tucked in around the regular jobs,
so the completion schedule was often a little iffy.


I agree. My son-in-law just installed a wireless modem and memory in my
computer. I cleaned his garage and helped paint new fascia for his
garage. Give and take is comfy in our family, but if one did all the
taking, then the traffic would stop. Let your son-in-law help as he is
comfortable and feel good that he's done something nice for you. I
don't normally like "business" between family members, but you seem to
have a qualified worker and a respectful relationship.

"Bob-tx" NOBSPAM wrote in message
...

He came out today, and looked around the chimney, and found some problems
(some flashing problems and some mortar problems). Of course, he
doesn't know for sure but it is a good place to start and then test it.

Thanks in advance. Bob-tx

Actually, he should test if the area _is_ the problem. I'm sure he does
good work, but sounds like he's not much of a trouble shooter.

It's like a HVAC guy throwing parts at a furnace, or a mechanic replacing
parts until it's fixed. You don't need a parts changer, you want somone who
knows what they're doing.

Tell your SIL thanks for the offer, but no thanks.

You have to be the judge of whether you've been generous or not with the
daughter and SIL. If you've built up an account, so to speak, ask him what
you owe and pay him a little more. Follow the other advice, and then ask
the daughter whether he missed any other work or income because of your job,
and possibly buy them or him something for their home, or his toolbox as an
added thanks. OTOH, if your "account" is down: such as having asked and
received more favors and help than you've given, the $20/$40 sounds about
right for Round Rock, IMHO. It's a very difficult judgment call, so only you
will know what is right.

Since this was a new leak, why not turn it in on your insurance? If it's
under the deductible, then you might ask your agent to ask the adjustor what
would be a fair price for the repair and use it as a guideline. If the
flashing was blown loose by the storm, it'd be an insurable event, but it if
was gradual, then it would probably not be.

Micajah

My late father, bless his soul, never grasped the concept of just doing
anything for the joy of giving. The ability of knowing how to do welding
and welding something for him, a 5 minute job, and not sending him an
itemized invoice.

There are such people in the world. Many, in fact.

The real model is this. Life is a balance. You give. You take. You
should be a happy giver, and a silent taker.

It is when this gets out of balance that the stars alter in their orbits.
If one takes too much, or gives too much, things go akilter.

Try to let your relations know that although you do not expect free work,
you at least would appreciate it if they let you silently reciprocate in
some manner. Most craftsmen undervalue their work, unless if on a hard
card or T&M. So, it is morally difficult for them to charge a family member
or friend $200 for a short amount of work, where, on the other hand, they
have no compunction about handing in a ticket for the same or less work.
AND bumping up the hours or amount.

Honesty, communication, and straight up eye to eye dealings are what does
the trick here. After that, you will have to adjust for someone not being
able to be a happy giver, or you will just have to be a silent taker.

Steve