I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape & then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.


Steve Walker wrote:
The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316



They'll think up something else.

On Aug 21, 9:20*am, harry wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape & then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

*Steve Walker wrote:

*The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

*Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 9:20 am, harry wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape & then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

===========


If the CIA does as good a job as they did with their WMD "findings", Assange
has nothing to worry about. :-)

On 8/21/2010 2:25 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Higgs wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 9:20 am, wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape& then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

===========


If the CIA does as good a job as they did with their WMD "findings", Assange
has nothing to worry about. :-)



Farm it out to The Mossad, they'll stop him.

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 8/21/2010 2:25 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Higgs wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 9:20 am, wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape& then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

===========


If the CIA does as good a job as they did with their WMD "findings",
Assange
has nothing to worry about. :-)



Farm it out to The Mossad, they'll stop him.

TDD


There's no reason to stop him.

On 8/21/2010 3:26 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"The Daring wrote in message
...
On 8/21/2010 2:25 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Higgs wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 9:20 am, wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape& then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

===========


If the CIA does as good a job as they did with their WMD "findings",
Assange
has nothing to worry about. :-)



Farm it out to The Mossad, they'll stop him.

TDD


There's no reason to stop him.



I was being fecesious[sic].

TDD

On Aug 21, 4:26*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in ...





On 8/21/2010 2:25 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Higgs *wrote in message
....
On Aug 21, 9:20 am, *wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape& *then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. *Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

===========

If the CIA does as good a job as they did with their WMD "findings",
Assange
has nothing to worry about. :-)

Farm it out to The Mossad, they'll stop him.

TDD

There's no reason to stop him.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you're OK with this scum freely handing out classified information
that helps the enemy, puts US and coaltion soldiers at risk and will
likely cost Afghan civilians their lives? He should wind up doing 20
years in jail along with the private that is the likely source of the
information, who at least is in the brig awaiting trial. And if he
had a mysterious accident along the way, that might be a good thing
too.

On 8/21/2010 4:16 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/21/2010 2:25 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Higgs wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 9:20 am, wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape& then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

===========


If the CIA does as good a job as they did with their WMD "findings",
Assange
has nothing to worry about. :-)



Farm it out to The Mossad, they'll stop him.

TDD

That's what I'm thinking. Or the Russians. They would have killed
him with radioactive material or rican by now.

On 8/21/2010 4:48 PM, Frank wrote:
On 8/21/2010 4:16 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/21/2010 2:25 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Higgs wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 9:20 am, wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape& then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

===========


If the CIA does as good a job as they did with their WMD "findings",
Assange
has nothing to worry about. :-)



Farm it out to The Mossad, they'll stop him.

TDD

That's what I'm thinking. Or the Russians. They would have killed him
with radioactive material or rican by now.

Poisoned Rice Krispies? 8-)

TDD

On Aug 21, 12:25*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message

...
On Aug 21, 9:20 am, harry wrote:



I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape & then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

Yeah, they were bound to cook up something. *Hope he can keep ahead of
them.

===========

If the CIA does as good a job as they did with their WMD "findings", Assange
has nothing to worry about. :-)

I see where the Swedes backed off; dropped the "charges". Be
interesting to be privy to the diplomatic goings-on behind the scenes!

"harry" wrote in message
...

They'll think up something else.

Perhaps, although Sweden doesn't seem like the kind of place with a
government that would carry water for the CIA. It's also possible there
were grounds for the allegations. Scott Ritter claimed charges that he went
online to arrange a meeting with someone he thought was an underage girl
(but who was really a cop) were due to his criticism of the Bush
administration's decision to invade Iraq. Presumably that claim has
somewhat less credibility since last year he was busted for the same
activity a third time.

Approval of someone's politics shouldn't make us assume that any charge
against that person must be false. Assange isn't exactly a saint; although
hackers might think of themselves as folk heroes even when they're breaking
the law. But he gets the same presumption of innocence as anyone, and since
the charges have been withdrawn he gets the benefit of the doubt.

On 8/21/2010 2:04 PM DGDevin spake thus:

Approval of someone's politics shouldn't make us assume that any charge
against that person must be false. Assange isn't exactly a saint; although
hackers might think of themselves as folk heroes even when they're breaking
the law. But he gets the same presumption of innocence as anyone, and since
the charges have been withdrawn he gets the benefit of the doubt.

Just curious what you know about Assange that makes you say he's "not
exactly a saint". I ask out of ignorance, as I don't know much about the
guy; I'm planning on doing some research online but haven't done so yet.

I do consider him a hero for what he's done. This doesn't mean, of
course, that he doesn't have flaws or imperfections, as you alluded to.
But to me it's the important things that people do, not the picayune
human foibles they may be subject to, that matter in the end.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

On Aug 23, 1:53*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/21/2010 2:04 PM DGDevin spake thus:

Approval of someone's politics shouldn't make us assume that any charge
against that person must be false. *Assange isn't exactly a saint; although
hackers might think of themselves as folk heroes even when they're breaking
the law. *But he gets the same presumption of innocence as anyone, and since
the charges have been withdrawn he gets the benefit of the doubt.

Just curious what you know about Assange that makes you say he's "not
exactly a saint". I ask out of ignorance, as I don't know much about the
guy; I'm planning on doing some research online but haven't done so yet.

I do consider him a hero for what he's done.


This scum freely handed out classified information
that helps the enemy, puts US and coaltion soldiers at risk and will
likely cost Afghan civilians their lives and to you he's a hero? He
should wind up doing 20
years in jail along with the private that is the likely source of the
information, who at least is in the brig awaiting trial. It is a
good window into your value system though.






This doesn't mean, of
course, that he doesn't have flaws or imperfections, as you alluded to.
But to me it's the important things that people do, not the picayune
human foibles they may be subject to, that matter in the end.

--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

wrote in message
...

This scum freely handed out classified information
that helps the enemy, puts US and coaltion soldiers at risk and will
likely cost Afghan civilians their lives and to you he's a hero? He
should wind up doing 20
years in jail along with the private that is the likely source of the
information, who at least is in the brig awaiting trial. It is a
good window into your value system though.

That information is classified is meaningless--the posted announcement that
the officers mess dining hall will be closed Monday afternoon so the floor
can be waxed is a classified document, pretty much everything the military
puts on paper is classified at some level. Gazillions of documents end up
classified not because they need to be secret, but because that's how
bureaucrats do things, and sometimes they do it to cover their asses.

I agree that if people die because Wikileaks released documents identifying
those people then Wikileaks should be held to account for that. Believing
that your cause is just does is not a blank check to do anything you please,
although I suspect that is not a view Mr. Assange holds based on his
history.

DGDevin wrote:
wrote in message
...

This scum freely handed out classified information
that helps the enemy, puts US and coaltion soldiers at risk and will
likely cost Afghan civilians their lives and to you he's a hero? He
should wind up doing 20
years in jail along with the private that is the likely source of the
information, who at least is in the brig awaiting trial. It is a
good window into your value system though.

That information is classified is meaningless--the posted announcement
that the officers mess dining hall will be closed Monday afternoon so
the floor can be waxed is a classified document, pretty much everything
the military puts on paper is classified at some level. Gazillions of
documents end up classified not because they need to be secret, but
because that's how bureaucrats do things, and sometimes they do it to
cover their asses.

I agree that if people die because Wikileaks released documents
identifying those people then Wikileaks should be held to account for
that. Believing that your cause is just does is not a blank check to do
anything you please, although I suspect that is not a view Mr. Assange
holds based on his history.

And we have a winner! Way too much stuff is classified, including stuff
that has no legitimate reason to be. Perhaps if they only classified
stuff that really needed to be, people would take it more seriously?

(And yes, I have seen my share of red-bordered cover sheets and login
screens...)

--
aem sends...

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/21/2010 2:04 PM DGDevin spake thus:

Approval of someone's politics shouldn't make us assume that any
charge against that person must be false. Assange isn't exactly a
saint; although hackers might think of themselves as folk heroes
even when they're breaking the law. But he gets the same
presumption of innocence as anyone, and since the charges have been
withdrawn he gets the benefit of the doubt.

Just curious what you know about Assange that makes you say he's "not
exactly a saint". I ask out of ignorance, as I don't know much about
the guy; I'm planning on doing some research online but haven't done
so yet.
I do consider him a hero for what he's done. This doesn't mean, of
course, that he doesn't have flaws or imperfections, as you alluded
to. But to me it's the important things that people do, not the
picayune human foibles they may be subject to, that matter in the end.

It's goals vs. process. In the main, liberals are after the results -
methods be damned, "the end justifies the means" type of thinking.
Conservatives look first at the method, "no good can come from an immoral
act."

To liberals, ending the war is the goal (for reasons passing understanding),
so the loss of a few lives is irrelevant.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

It's goals vs. process. In the main, liberals are after the results -
methods be damned, "the end justifies the means" type of thinking.
Conservatives look first at the method, "no good can come from an immoral
act."

What a painfully simplistic analysis, not to mention hopelessly biased.

To liberals, ending the war is the goal (for reasons passing
understanding), so the loss of a few lives is irrelevant.

You mean like the loss of 4,400+ American lives (not to mention those of
allies and Iraqis) for the goal of finding WMDs that didn't exist? Just how
immoral an act is starting a war on false pretenses?

DGDevin wrote:

To liberals, ending the war is the goal (for reasons passing
understanding), so the loss of a few lives is irrelevant.

You mean like the loss of 4,400+ American lives (not to mention those
of allies and Iraqis) for the goal of finding WMDs that didn't exist?
Just how immoral an act is starting a war on false pretenses?

We NEED a war every ten to fifteen years to keep the tip of the spear sharp.

Those that died were, to the man or woman, volunteers. They signed up
knowing the risk of death or serious injury, much like a mountain climber,
sky diver, race car driver, or Ralph, the guy who married my ex-wife. They
assumed these risks for the opportunity to kill people and blow things up
(Ralph, are you listening?).

It is, of course, regrettable that they died, but they died doing something
they loved. Fully 85% of those who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan
re-enlisted at the first opportunity. (The remaining 15% retired, were
invalided out, or married harridans.)

These folks are our warrior class. Waging war is what they were born to do,
what they trained to do, what they NEED to do. They do it for their
country's sake, for their family's sake, for honor's sake, for glory's sake.

This is something the cowards that dwell among us cannot understand and will
not accept.

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...

Just curious what you know about Assange that makes you say he's "not
exactly a saint".

He's a hacker, a convicted hacker at that (early 90s). He also wrote
software that allows hackers to search for insecure computer systems they
can exploit. He considers hacking a victimless crime provided the hackers
don't damage the computer systems they access (illegally)--that and the
apparent paranoia in which he has lived for a couple of decades make him
seem a bit brittle to me, if you know what I mean by that. It's also worth
noting that only one of the complaints of sexual misconduct brought against
him in Sweden has been dropped. I read one news story in which one of the
two woman who made complaints against him described him as having a "skewed"
attitude towards women and of not knowing how to take no for an answer.

I ask out of ignorance, as I don't know much about the guy; I'm planning
on doing some research online but haven't done so yet.

I do consider him a hero for what he's done. This doesn't mean, of course,
that he doesn't have flaws or imperfections, as you alluded to. But to me
it's the important things that people do, not the picayune human foibles
they may be subject to, that matter in the end.

Don't get me wrong, IMO "Question Authority" should be printed on everyone's
birth certificate. I think Wikileaks has served the public interest on many
occasions, in general Wikileaks strikes me as a good idea. But that doesn't
mean anyone who twists the establishment's tail gets a free pass for
anything else he's done.

There is also a responsibility not to do harm in releasing
information--Philip Agee comes to mind here. If people working with the
govt. and NATO in Afghanistan end up dead as a result of Wikileaks releasing
files that identify those people, then I don't see how Wikileaks doesn't
have blood on its hands.

Here's a good article:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all

On Aug 21, 11:20*am, harry wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape & then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

*Steve Walker wrote:

*The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

*Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

This relates to home repair how?

Joe

On 8/21/2010 6:16 PM, Joe wrote:
On Aug 21, 11:20 am, wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape& then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Steve Walker wrote:

The pressure to shut Wikileaks down has been immense, how very
convenient that this allegation should now come to light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
*
*

Swedish authorities say they have issued an arrest warrant for
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, on accusations of rape and
molestation...
*
*
Warrant cancelled without explanation......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

They'll think up something else.

This relates to home repair how?

Joe

It's from "OT" Harry. Didn't you notice?

harry wrote:
I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape & then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.



Yes, they probably will.

Our Secretary of State said "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail."

On 8/21/2010 9:20 AM harry spake thus:

I see the CIA is after the Wikileaks man.
First he is accused of rape & then the charge is withdrawn.
They'll think of something else.

Ackshooly, it's the Pentagon, not the CIA, from what I read (though it's
hard to believe they don't have their dirty fingerprints all over this
one too).


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)