On Aug 9, 8:37*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
On Aug 9, 1:14 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 11:34 pm, Jay Hanig wrote:
On 8/8/2010 4:16 PM, HeyBub wrote:

If the land "belongs" to someone other than Israel, Turky has the
most legitimate claim. But Turkey doesn't want the Palestinians
either.

You might ask yourself why all this animus toward the
Palestinians? It's simple, really. They are hated because they
are Palestinians!

No, I believe nobody wants them because they're impossible to
reason with. They could have had everything they wanted long ago,
except the destruction of Israel. A homeland, autonomy, pretty
much everything.

But did they take it? Hell, no. Talk about snatching defeat from
the wings of victory. They have a real talent for it. Idiots.

Jay

They want what's theirs. Not half a cake. Not the poorest land. They
want Jerusalem.
They knew if they agreed, there would soon be new demands. You can't
appease a Jew. They'll always be back for more.

Nah. Devotion to Jerusalem by Muslims is mostly a fiction.

"Jerusalem" is mentioned by name (or its alternative 'Zion') some
850 times
in the Hebrew scriptures and some 162 times in the New Testament.
"Jerusalem," in any of its 16 Arabic variants is completely absent
from the
Koran.

The Israelis captured west Jerusalem in 1948, while east Jerusalem
and the
Temple Mount (Holy Sanctuary) remained under Jordanian control. From
1948
until 1967, Jordan ruled east Jerusalem. During those 19 years, the
king of
Jordan forbade Muslims from Israel entry to worship at the Mosque of
Omar or
venerate the shrine of Mohammed's ascent to heaven.

In 1967, Moshe Dyan and Israeli paratroopers took over east
Jerusalem. Dyan
immediately issued an edict that any pilgrim of any faith could
enter Israel
for purposes of religious observance. Specifically, any Muslim
pilgrim
crossing the Allenby Bridge from Jordan would be allowed passage
unmolested.- Hide quoted text -

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So what?

So veneration of Jerusalem is not now, nor ever has been, a tenet of Islam.
To the faithful, Jerusalem has no more significance than Cairo or Moscow.
Amongst the Five Pillars is a requirement to visit Mecca, not Jerusalem.
Protestations to the contrary, that Jerusalem is some special, holy place,
is a fiction designed to bestow some sort of legitimacy on an evil cause.- Hide quoted text -

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Who mentioned Islam?
But as you mention it:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock
There are five mosques in East (stolen) Jerusalem.

harry wrote:

So veneration of Jerusalem is not now, nor ever has been, a tenet of
Islam.
To the faithful, Jerusalem has no more significance than Cairo or
Moscow.
Amongst the Five Pillars is a requirement to visit Mecca, not
Jerusalem.
Protestations to the contrary, that Jerusalem is some special, holy
place,
is a fiction designed to bestow some sort of legitimacy on an evil
cause.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who mentioned Islam?
But as you mention it:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock
There are five mosques in East (stolen) Jerusalem.

And no synagogues (or churches) in all of Saudi Arabia.

I say give Saudi Arabia back to the Turks. At least the Turks have freedom
of religion.

On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...



Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start.
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them.

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...




Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start.
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them.

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart


I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD

On Aug 11, 6:32*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:





On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...

Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start.
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them..

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.
Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. You are reaping what
you've sown.
It's true about Saddam. When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.
You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

On 8/11/2010 1:12 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 11, 6:32 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:





On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...

Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start.
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them.

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.

Damn, I didn't know that, I must be in an alternate universe. 8-)

Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. You are reaping what
you've sown.

I like barbecue sauce, apple sauce, saucy women.....
I haven't done any farming in years.

It's true about Saddam. When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.

I suppose there will be a tyrant search. I see a new Iraqi TV show,
"Iraq's got tyrant" :-)

You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

Harry, are you sure there's no American in you, you spell like a
Hillbilly. "Amerca" ROTFLMAO

TDD

harry wrote:

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.
Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. You are reaping what
you've sown.
It's true about Saddam. When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.
You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

There may be a new tyrant in Baghdad someday, but he'll be OUR tyrant.

Look what happened to the last non-American tyrant: We invaded his country,
evicted him from his homes, exiled his family, confiscated his fortune,
imprisoned his friends, killed his children, and eventually got his skanky
ass hanged!

On Aug 11, 2:25*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 8/11/2010 1:12 AM, harry wrote:



On Aug 11, 6:32 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:

On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...

Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start..
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them.

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.

Damn, I didn't know that, I must be in an alternate universe. 8-)

Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. *You are reaping what
you've sown.

I like barbecue sauce, apple sauce, saucy women.....
I haven't done any farming in years.

It's true about Saddam. *When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.

I suppose there will be a tyrant search. I see a new Iraqi TV show,
"Iraq's got tyrant" :-)

"Who Wants to be a Tyrant". Or perhaps "My Big Fat Obnoxious
Dictator", or just "Tyrant".

You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

Harry, are you sure there's no American in you, you spell like a
Hillbilly. "Amerca" *ROTFLMAO

"Eurobilly"?

On Aug 11, 1:14*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.
Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. *You are reaping what
you've sown.
It's true about Saddam. *When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.
You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

There may be a new tyrant in Baghdad someday, but he'll be OUR tyrant.

Look what happened to the last non-American tyrant: We invaded his country,
evicted him from his homes, exiled his family, confiscated his fortune,
imprisoned his friends, killed his children, and eventually got his skanky
ass hanged!

You'll never go into the ME again. Or Afghanistan. Any more than
America would go into Vietnam again.
Any new tyrant will get the job because he's anti-American. Tyrants
are popular in the ME. Especially in Iraq.

On Aug 11, 8:25*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 8/11/2010 1:12 AM, harry wrote:





On Aug 11, 6:32 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:

On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...

Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start..
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them.

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.

Damn, I didn't know that, I must be in an alternate universe. 8-)

Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. *You are reaping what
you've sown.

I like barbecue sauce, apple sauce, saucy women.....
I haven't done any farming in years.

It's true about Saddam. *When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.

I suppose there will be a tyrant search. I see a new Iraqi TV show,
"Iraq's got tyrant" :-)

You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

Harry, are you sure there's no American in you, you spell like a
Hillbilly. "Amerca" *ROTFLMAO

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have a wireless keyboard. I am having trouble with it. It misses
letters out sometimes. I am not a good typer either. Came to it too
late.

On Aug 11, 6:32*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:





On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...

Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start.
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them..

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why should they give up now? They have almost won.

On 8/11/2010 1:00 PM, harry wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:25 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/11/2010 1:12 AM, harry wrote:





On Aug 11, 6:32 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:

On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...

Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start.
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them.

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.

Damn, I didn't know that, I must be in an alternate universe. 8-)

Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. You are reaping what
you've sown.

I like barbecue sauce, apple sauce, saucy women.....
I haven't done any farming in years.

It's true about Saddam. When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.

I suppose there will be a tyrant search. I see a new Iraqi TV show,
"Iraq's got tyrant" :-)

You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

Harry, are you sure there's no American in you, you spell like a
Hillbilly. "Amerca" ROTFLMAO

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have a wireless keyboard. I am having trouble with it. It misses
letters out sometimes. I am not a good typer either. Came to it too
late.

I'm using a Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard, the only problem
I've ever had was batteries dying on me so I switched to rechargeable
NiMH cells and the software app lets me know when to change batteries.

TDD

harry wrote:

There may be a new tyrant in Baghdad someday, but he'll be OUR
tyrant.

Look what happened to the last non-American tyrant: We invaded his
country, evicted him from his homes, exiled his family, confiscated
his fortune, imprisoned his friends, killed his children, and
eventually got his skanky ass hanged!

You'll never go into the ME again. Or Afghanistan. Any more than
America would go into Vietnam again.
Any new tyrant will get the job because he's anti-American. Tyrants
are popular in the ME. Especially in Iraq.

I partly agree. We've not gone back to Japan. We did go back to Europe and
Cuba. All the more reason to do it right the first time.

But whether we go anywhere depends on the leaders/citizens of the particular
locale.

On 08/11/2010 07:14 AM, HeyBub wrote:
harry wrote:

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.
Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. You are reaping what
you've sown.
It's true about Saddam. When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.
You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

There may be a new tyrant in Baghdad someday, but he'll be OUR tyrant.

Look what happened to the last non-American tyrant: We invaded his country,
evicted him from his homes, exiled his family, confiscated his fortune,
imprisoned his friends, killed his children, and eventually got his skanky
ass hanged!


He was our tyrant as long as he attacked Iran regularly, then when
he started attacking Kuwait we didn't like it, and when he invaded
Kuwait, we took him out. If only he hadn't invaded Kuwait, he
would still be in power and still be our tyrant. Peace would reign
in Baghdad. He and his kids would still be raping, killing, and
living in luxury.

In article ,
John Bodart wrote:


He was our tyrant as long as he attacked Iran regularly, then when
he started attacking Kuwait we didn't like it, and when he invaded
Kuwait, we took him out. If only he hadn't invaded Kuwait, he
would still be in power and still be our tyrant. Peace would reign
in Baghdad. He and his kids would still be raping, killing, and
living in luxury.

If he hadn't tried to kill Daddy Bush he would still be in power.

"I am George W Bush. You tried to kill my father. Prepare to die"
Princess Bride II: Run to Baghdad

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:28:54 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 8/11/2010 1:00 PM, harry wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:25 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/11/2010 1:12 AM, harry wrote:





On Aug 11, 6:32 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:

On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...

Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start.
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them.

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.

Damn, I didn't know that, I must be in an alternate universe. 8-)

Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. You are reaping what
you've sown.

I like barbecue sauce, apple sauce, saucy women.....
I haven't done any farming in years.

It's true about Saddam. When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.

I suppose there will be a tyrant search. I see a new Iraqi TV show,
"Iraq's got tyrant" :-)

You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

Harry, are you sure there's no American in you, you spell like a
Hillbilly. "Amerca" ROTFLMAO

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have a wireless keyboard. I am having trouble with it. It misses
letters out sometimes. I am not a good typer either. Came to it too
late.

I'm using a Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard, the only problem
I've ever had was batteries dying on me so I switched to rechargeable
NiMH cells and the software app lets me know when to change batteries.

I use Logitech wireless mice (keyboard is buckling spring - Logitech makes
crap keyboards) that just hangs in its cradle when I'm done for the day. These
use a single AA NiCd so they're easily replaced, though I've never needed to
replace them.

On Aug 12, 2:20*am, "
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:28:54 -0500, The Daring Dufas





wrote:
On 8/11/2010 1:00 PM, harry wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:25 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/11/2010 1:12 AM, harry wrote:

On Aug 11, 6:32 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 11:38 PM, John Bodart wrote:

On 08/09/2010 02:59 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/9/2010 12:52 PM, John Bodart wrote:
On 08/08/2010 11:04 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 8, 1:37 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 8/8/2010 7:06 AM, harry wrote:

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel...ortureBan.html
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/anth...ut-israeli-bar...

Much like their allies in the USA.

So what's the solution, dissolve Israel? Invite in a bunch of
people that no Arab state will take in? Why are The Palestinians
turned away by other Arab states? I'm not trying to be hostile
or nasty, I'd really like to know what the solution is. What
would you do if you had the power to fix things?

TDD
The solution is leave them alone. Let them sort it out between them.
The reason for Israel's intransigence is they think they can do what
they like with US backing.
The USA needs Arabs more than Jews. The Arabs have oil for a start.
Sure Israel gets backing from the U.S., but even without US, Israel
could kick the ass of any Muslim country that tries to conqueror them.

I think the U.S. should stop helping Israel, which is also hindering
them and let them kick the Muslim worlds ass and get it over with.

So Israel should nuke them farther back into the stone age?

TDD
Israel wont nuke anyone unless they get ganged up on enough. Israel
doesn't start fights, but they have finished some. Arabs and Muslims
want the destruction of Israel so they gang up on them like Syria,
Lebanon and Egypt and attack. Israel kicked their ass and took land
in a victory. They could have continued, but they stopped. The
attackers have cried, they want their land back. If Israel had
lost the attackers wouldn't have given anything back and Israel
would be slaves. Countries attack Israel when they feel strong, then
when they get their ass kicked they cry for peace, and Israel stops.
Then the attackers feel strong again and it starts all over.

The U.S. needs to stop giving money to Israel and Palestine and
stop trying to buy peace and let things work out on their own.
We also need to stop giving money to every other country our
politicians feel sorry for and stop deficit spending except to
give our own citizens a break for a change. Lets use our money
to make America stronger by spending more here at home instead of
trying to buy friends and peace from countries who hate and despise
U.S..

If Muslims in America want to build a new Mosque in America, they
need to tell Muslims around the world to be fair and let churches
be built in Muslim countries, let Christians worship in peace and
freedom there just like they can here, and if someone wants to
convert to Christianity, let them.

John Bodart

I don't think it's possible to appease the Muslims. It's their
culture, anyone who shows them compassion and tries to help them
is considered weak and not worthy of their respect. I had an
Arab from (Palestine?) once tell me that the only person who was
able to control Iraq was Saddam Hussein. I believe it's because
the culture in that part of the world only has respect for force
and brutality when it comes to rulers. It reminds me of those
crazy women who like to be slapped around, they're not interested
in nice guys.

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The culture in America only has respect for force and brutality.

Damn, I didn't know that, I must be in an alternate universe. 8-)

Sauce for the goose is sauce or the gander. *You are reaping what
you've sown.

I like barbecue sauce, apple sauce, saucy women.....
I haven't done any farming in years.

It's true about Saddam. *When te Yanks go home, there will be civil
war in Iraq. Probably ending in a new Iran. Unless a new Saddam can be
found.

I suppose there will be a tyrant search. I see a new Iraqi TV show,
"Iraq's got tyrant" :-)

You can be sure that they won't be friends of Amerca or Israel,
Whoever ends up in charge.

Harry, are you sure there's no American in you, you spell like a
Hillbilly. "Amerca" *ROTFLMAO

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have a wireless keyboard. I am having trouble with it. *It misses
letters out sometimes. I am not a good typer either. *Came to it too
late.

I'm using a Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard, the only problem
I've ever had was batteries dying on me so I switched to rechargeable
NiMH cells and the software app lets me know when to change batteries.

I use Logitech wireless mice (keyboard is buckling spring - Logitech makes
crap keyboards) that just hangs in its cradle when I'm done for the day. These
use a single AA NiCd so they're easily replaced, though I've never needed to
replace them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, that's probably the way to go. I run the computer on the TV
screen & the mouse/keyboard is on a table with no outlet nearby
though. (I assume you mean the one's that hang onto a gbattery
charger.)

harry wrote:

Yes, that's probably the way to go. I run the computer on the TV
screen & the mouse/keyboard is on a table with no outlet nearby
though. (I assume you mean the one's that hang onto a gbattery
charger.)

Ah!

A Web-TV subscriber.

That explains much.