On Jul 28, 2:58*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote:
At this URL:

http://www.bradleymanning.org/

you will find a petition to free Bradley Manning, the soldier who
posted a video showing *US servicemen shooting innocent Afghanistan
civilians from a helicopter, and JOKING ABOUT IT.

Is there a petition to apply the law to his situation? If so, I'd sign it..



This is the tip of the iceberg! *We're really winning hearts and
minds, letting these cowboys get off their rocks via
cold-blooded murder of "the other". *This goes on a lot, but it took a
very brave man to get the truth about one such incident out to the
American people.

That's what a "warrior" class is supposed to do: kill people and blow things
up. That's what they want to do, that's what they were trained to do, that's
what they need to do.



Nine years ago, we could have wiped out Osama and the Taliban in
Afghanistan right after 9/11. *But the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld axis
thought * *(this is on the record!) * *"there were better targets in
Iraq". *So they sold the American people the pack of lies that got us
into Iraq.

Here's a clue: It was NEVER the goal of the United States to kill or capture
Osama ben Laden. The sole strategy of the United States, under the Bush
administration, was to prevent another attack on the U.S. or U.S. interests
abroad. To do that, tactics were implemented to prevent or disrupt the
enemy's training, sanctuaries, financing, recruiting, and communication. If,
during these endeavors, we did manage to kill or capture ben Laden, that
would have been a plus. But it was never a goal.

The strategy was successful. In the decade preceeding 9-11, about one attack
per year was seen (WTC bombing, the USS Cole, bombing of embassies,
kidnapping of diplomats, etc.). If, during these endeavors, we did manage to
kill or capture ben Laden, that would have been a plus - but it was never a
goal.

Then came Obama. There have been three terrorist attacks on U.S. soil during
his brief tenure.

Which three are these please?

harry wrote:
On Jul 28, 2:58 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote:
At this URL:

http://www.bradleymanning.org/

you will find a petition to free Bradley Manning, the soldier who
posted a video showing US servicemen shooting innocent Afghanistan
civilians from a helicopter, and JOKING ABOUT IT.

Is there a petition to apply the law to his situation? If so, I'd
sign it.



This is the tip of the iceberg! We're really winning hearts and
minds, letting these cowboys get off their rocks via
cold-blooded murder of "the other". This goes on a lot, but it took
a very brave man to get the truth about one such incident out to the
American people.

That's what a "warrior" class is supposed to do: kill people and
blow things up. That's what they want to do, that's what they were
trained to do, that's what they need to do.



Nine years ago, we could have wiped out Osama and the Taliban in
Afghanistan right after 9/11. But the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld axis
thought (this is on the record!) "there were better targets in
Iraq". So they sold the American people the pack of lies that got us
into Iraq.

Here's a clue: It was NEVER the goal of the United States to kill or
capture Osama ben Laden. The sole strategy of the United States,
under the Bush administration, was to prevent another attack on the
U.S. or U.S. interests abroad. To do that, tactics were implemented
to prevent or disrupt the enemy's training, sanctuaries, financing,
recruiting, and communication. If, during these endeavors, we did
manage to kill or capture ben Laden, that would have been a plus.
But it was never a goal.

The strategy was successful. In the decade preceeding 9-11, about
one attack per year was seen (WTC bombing, the USS Cole, bombing of
embassies, kidnapping of diplomats, etc.). If, during these
endeavors, we did manage to kill or capture ben Laden, that would
have been a plus - but it was never a goal.

Then came Obama. There have been three terrorist attacks on U.S.
soil during his brief tenure.

Which three are these please?

* The 'Christmas Day Bomber"
* The shootings at Ft Hood
* I forgot the 3rd - it may have been the killing at Ft Gillem Army Base

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

harry wrote:
On Jul 28, 2:58 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote:
At this URL:

http://www.bradleymanning.org/

you will find a petition to free Bradley Manning, the soldier who
posted a video showing US servicemen shooting innocent Afghanistan
civilians from a helicopter, and JOKING ABOUT IT.

Is there a petition to apply the law to his situation? If so, I'd
sign it.



This is the tip of the iceberg! We're really winning hearts and
minds, letting these cowboys get off their rocks via
cold-blooded murder of "the other". This goes on a lot, but it took
a very brave man to get the truth about one such incident out to the
American people.

That's what a "warrior" class is supposed to do: kill people and
blow things up. That's what they want to do, that's what they were
trained to do, that's what they need to do.



Nine years ago, we could have wiped out Osama and the Taliban in
Afghanistan right after 9/11. But the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld axis
thought (this is on the record!) "there were better targets in
Iraq". So they sold the American people the pack of lies that got us
into Iraq.

Here's a clue: It was NEVER the goal of the United States to kill or
capture Osama ben Laden. The sole strategy of the United States,
under the Bush administration, was to prevent another attack on the
U.S. or U.S. interests abroad. To do that, tactics were implemented
to prevent or disrupt the enemy's training, sanctuaries, financing,
recruiting, and communication. If, during these endeavors, we did
manage to kill or capture ben Laden, that would have been a plus.
But it was never a goal.

The strategy was successful. In the decade preceeding 9-11, about
one attack per year was seen (WTC bombing, the USS Cole, bombing of
embassies, kidnapping of diplomats, etc.). If, during these
endeavors, we did manage to kill or capture ben Laden, that would
have been a plus - but it was never a goal.

Then came Obama. There have been three terrorist attacks on U.S.
soil during his brief tenure.

Which three are these please?

* The 'Christmas Day Bomber"
* The shootings at Ft Hood
* I forgot the 3rd - it may have been the killing at Ft Gillem Army Base

The dude in NYC?

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

On 7/28/2010 1:57 PM HeyBub spake thus:

harry wrote:

On Jul 28, 2:58 am, "HeyBub" wrote:

Then came Obama. There have been three terrorist attacks on U.S.
soil during his brief tenure.

Which three are these please?

* The 'Christmas Day Bomber"
* The shootings at Ft Hood
* I forgot the 3rd - it may have been the killing at Ft Gillem Army Base

Sez you.

The first one I'll give you, at least categorically, though anyone who
does anything but chortle when thinking about that incident is a fool.

The second, and probably the third, should be filed under "killings by
lone nutcases".

Unless you accept that, since Timothy McVeigh was a devout
fundamentalist Christian, we can blame the Oklahoma City bombing on
"Christian terrorism".


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

In article ,
David Nebenzahl wrote:


Sez you.

The first one I'll give you, at least categorically, though anyone who
does anything but chortle when thinking about that incident is a fool.

The second, and probably the third, should be filed under "killings by
lone nutcases".

Unless you accept that, since Timothy McVeigh was a devout
fundamentalist Christian, we can blame the Oklahoma City bombing on
"Christian terrorism".

McVeigh's motivation was not even remotely religiously oriented though.
He was anti-government, intent on avenging Waco, hoping for an uprising.
On the other hand, for the others, it was their interpreation of their
religion that was the only reason for their actions. Make it a whole
different kettle of fish.

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

On Jul 28, 9:57*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
On Jul 28, 2:58 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote:
At this URL:

http://www.bradleymanning.org/

you will find a petition to free Bradley Manning, the soldier who
posted a video showing US servicemen shooting innocent Afghanistan
civilians from a helicopter, and JOKING ABOUT IT.

Is there a petition to apply the law to his situation? If so, I'd
sign it.

This is the tip of the iceberg! We're really winning hearts and
minds, letting these cowboys get off their rocks via
cold-blooded murder of "the other". This goes on a lot, but it took
a very brave man to get the truth about one such incident out to the
American people.

That's what a "warrior" class is supposed to do: kill people and
blow things up. That's what they want to do, that's what they were
trained to do, that's what they need to do.

Nine years ago, we could have wiped out Osama and the Taliban in
Afghanistan right after 9/11. But the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld axis
thought (this is on the record!) "there were better targets in
Iraq". So they sold the American people the pack of lies that got us
into Iraq.

Here's a clue: It was NEVER the goal of the United States to kill or
capture Osama ben Laden. The sole strategy of the United States,
under the Bush administration, was to prevent another attack on the
U.S. or U.S. interests abroad. To do that, tactics were implemented
to prevent or disrupt the enemy's training, sanctuaries, financing,
recruiting, and communication. If, during these endeavors, we did
manage to kill or capture ben Laden, that would have been a plus.
But it was never a goal.

The strategy was successful. In the decade preceeding 9-11, about
one attack per year was seen (WTC bombing, the USS Cole, bombing of
embassies, kidnapping of diplomats, etc.). If, during these
endeavors, we did manage to kill or capture ben Laden, that would
have been a plus - but it was never a goal.

Then came Obama. There have been three terrorist attacks on U.S.
soil during his brief tenure.

Which three are these *please?

* The 'Christmas Day Bomber"
* The shootings at Ft Hood
* I forgot the 3rd - it may have been the killing at Ft Gillem Army Base- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That last one was not reported in the UK.

On Jul 28, 10:55*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 7/28/2010 1:57 PM HeyBub spake thus:



harry wrote:

On Jul 28, 2:58 am, "HeyBub" wrote:

Then came Obama. There have been three terrorist attacks on U.S.
soil during his brief tenure.

Which three are these *please?

* The 'Christmas Day Bomber"
* The shootings at Ft Hood
* I forgot the 3rd - it may have been the killing at Ft Gillem Army Base

Sez you.

The first one I'll give you, at least categorically, though anyone who
does anything but chortle when thinking about that incident is a fool.

The second, and probably the third, should be filed under "killings by
lone nutcases".

Unless you accept that, since Timothy McVeigh was a devout
fundamentalist Christian, we can blame the Oklahoma City bombing on
"Christian terrorism".

--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

That's probably true.