This is actually a work related question, but I figured it couldn't hurt
to throw this out because some of you guys may have run into a similar
situation in the past... I need 140 of these so getting it right up
front is important.

Let's say that I have a device that requires a 1900 box (no other format
will do) that must be a minimum of roughly 2-3/4" deep, 3" preferred. I
would like to mount it in an existing drywall studded wall with
hopefully no patching required after the work is complete (drop ceiling,
so fishing wires no problem.)

There don't appear to be a lot of off the shelf solutions available. In
fact, this is the only one that I saw that even looks like it has a hope
of working properly

http://www.garvinindustries.com/Elec...kouts/52181-OW

I also found the Raco 8206RAC which would appear to work, but it looks
like all holes are through not tapped? in which case that wouldn't
work, at least not easily.

Anyone else have any product ideas?

thanks

nate


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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
This is actually a work related question, but I figured it couldn't hurt
to throw this out because some of you guys may have run into a similar
situation in the past... I need 140 of these so getting it right up front
is important.

Let's say that I have a device that requires a 1900 box (no other format
will do) that must be a minimum of roughly 2-3/4" deep, 3" preferred. I
would like to mount it in an existing drywall studded wall with hopefully
no patching required after the work is complete (drop ceiling, so fishing
wires no problem.)

There don't appear to be a lot of off the shelf solutions available. In
fact, this is the only one that I saw that even looks like it has a hope
of working properly

http://www.garvinindustries.com/Elec...kouts/52181-OW

I also found the Raco 8206RAC which would appear to work, but it looks
like all holes are through not tapped? in which case that wouldn't work,
at least not easily.

Anyone else have any product ideas?

thanks

nate


--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

If you "need" a 1900 box, the one you chose should work. The Raco is just a
low voltage 2 gang opening, not a box. If that would work, there are other 2
gang openings made by Arlington, or Caddy and others. I would think you
could also use 2 deep gem boxes ganged together

On 06/15/2010 06:31 PM, RBM wrote:
"Nate wrote in message
...
This is actually a work related question, but I figured it couldn't hurt
to throw this out because some of you guys may have run into a similar
situation in the past... I need 140 of these so getting it right up front
is important.

Let's say that I have a device that requires a 1900 box (no other format
will do) that must be a minimum of roughly 2-3/4" deep, 3" preferred. I
would like to mount it in an existing drywall studded wall with hopefully
no patching required after the work is complete (drop ceiling, so fishing
wires no problem.)

There don't appear to be a lot of off the shelf solutions available. In
fact, this is the only one that I saw that even looks like it has a hope
of working properly

http://www.garvinindustries.com/Elec...kouts/52181-OW

I also found the Raco 8206RAC which would appear to work, but it looks
like all holes are through not tapped? in which case that wouldn't work,
at least not easily.

Anyone else have any product ideas?

thanks

nate


--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

If you "need" a 1900 box, the one you chose should work. The Raco is just a
low voltage 2 gang opening, not a box. If that would work, there are other 2
gang openings made by Arlington, or Caddy and others. I would think you
could also use 2 deep gem boxes ganged together



there are only 4 screw holes in the device, and they line up with 1900
box holes, that is the problem...

mfgr. of the device sells a nice painted surface box for it, but they
are out of stock for 6 weeks (whoops!)

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
On 06/15/2010 06:31 PM, RBM wrote:
"Nate wrote in message
...
This is actually a work related question, but I figured it couldn't hurt
to throw this out because some of you guys may have run into a similar
situation in the past... I need 140 of these so getting it right up
front
is important.

Let's say that I have a device that requires a 1900 box (no other format
will do) that must be a minimum of roughly 2-3/4" deep, 3" preferred. I
would like to mount it in an existing drywall studded wall with
hopefully
no patching required after the work is complete (drop ceiling, so
fishing
wires no problem.)

There don't appear to be a lot of off the shelf solutions available. In
fact, this is the only one that I saw that even looks like it has a hope
of working properly

http://www.garvinindustries.com/Elec...kouts/52181-OW

I also found the Raco 8206RAC which would appear to work, but it looks
like all holes are through not tapped? in which case that wouldn't
work,
at least not easily.

Anyone else have any product ideas?

thanks

nate


--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

If you "need" a 1900 box, the one you chose should work. The Raco is just
a
low voltage 2 gang opening, not a box. If that would work, there are
other 2
gang openings made by Arlington, or Caddy and others. I would think you
could also use 2 deep gem boxes ganged together



there are only 4 screw holes in the device, and they line up with 1900 box
holes, that is the problem...

mfgr. of the device sells a nice painted surface box for it, but they are
out of stock for 6 weeks (whoops!)

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

OK, but 1900 boxes only have 2 holes. The Raco 8206RAC has holes like a
1900 2 gang reducing cover, which of course is not 4x4

On 06/15/2010 06:46 PM, RBM wrote:
"Nate wrote in message
...
On 06/15/2010 06:31 PM, RBM wrote:
"Nate wrote in message
...
This is actually a work related question, but I figured it couldn't hurt
to throw this out because some of you guys may have run into a similar
situation in the past... I need 140 of these so getting it right up
front
is important.

Let's say that I have a device that requires a 1900 box (no other format
will do) that must be a minimum of roughly 2-3/4" deep, 3" preferred. I
would like to mount it in an existing drywall studded wall with
hopefully
no patching required after the work is complete (drop ceiling, so
fishing
wires no problem.)

There don't appear to be a lot of off the shelf solutions available. In
fact, this is the only one that I saw that even looks like it has a hope
of working properly

http://www.garvinindustries.com/Elec...kouts/52181-OW

I also found the Raco 8206RAC which would appear to work, but it looks
like all holes are through not tapped? in which case that wouldn't
work,
at least not easily.

Anyone else have any product ideas?

thanks

nate


--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

If you "need" a 1900 box, the one you chose should work. The Raco is just
a
low voltage 2 gang opening, not a box. If that would work, there are
other 2
gang openings made by Arlington, or Caddy and others. I would think you
could also use 2 deep gem boxes ganged together



there are only 4 screw holes in the device, and they line up with 1900 box
holes, that is the problem...

mfgr. of the device sells a nice painted surface box for it, but they are
out of stock for 6 weeks (whoops!)

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

OK, but 1900 boxes only have 2 holes.

Right, they only provide two screws with the device, but four holes,
presumably so that it doesn't matter in which orientation the 1900 box
is installed.

The Raco 8206RAC has holes like a
1900 2 gang reducing cover, which of course is not 4x4


I think I found what I was really looking for... once I left the office
and started looking on my computer at home (is it the real keyboard?
The comfy chair? The vintage draftsman's lamp? dunno, but the
interwebs seem to work better for me here.) I *think* that the Raco
205RAC is what I was really looking for. The objection my installer
raised to the other ring was that it would be damn near impossible to
install the box, ring, and device without having tapped holes in the
ring... looks like someone's already mentioned that to them. The 205RAC
appears to have two through holes, which would allow you to pre-install
the box and extension ring to the back of the "retro-ring" before
inserting into the wall; then there's still two tapped holes to allow
you to mount the device.

I'm gonna stop by the supply house on my way to the office in the AM and
see if they have a 205RAC that I can buy for a test fit.

Of course, if there's any other product I should be looking at, please
let me know...

nate


--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:11:25 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

This is actually a work related question, but I figured it couldn't hurt
to throw this out because some of you guys may have run into a similar
situation in the past... I need 140 of these so getting it right up
front is important.

Let's say that I have a device that requires a 1900 box (no other format
will do) that must be a minimum of roughly 2-3/4" deep, 3" preferred. I
would like to mount it in an existing drywall studded wall with
hopefully no patching required after the work is complete (drop ceiling,
so fishing wires no problem.)

There don't appear to be a lot of off the shelf solutions available. In
fact, this is the only one that I saw that even looks like it has a hope
of working properly

http://www.garvinindustries.com/Elec...kouts/52181-OW

I also found the Raco 8206RAC which would appear to work, but it looks
like all holes are through not tapped? in which case that wouldn't
work, at least not easily.

Anyone else have any product ideas?

thanks

nate

I woudn't want to make 140 of them, but I have put ears on a 1900 box
and used Jiffy clips before.

On Jun 15, 6:54*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 06/15/2010 06:46 PM, RBM wrote:





"Nate *wrote in message
...
On 06/15/2010 06:31 PM, RBM wrote:
"Nate * wrote in message
...
This is actually a work related question, but I figured it couldn't hurt
to throw this out because some of you guys may have run into a similar
situation in the past... *I need 140 of these so getting it right up
front
is important.

Let's say that I have a device that requires a 1900 box (no other format
will do) that must be a minimum of roughly 2-3/4" deep, 3" preferred.. *I
would like to mount it in an existing drywall studded wall with
hopefully
no patching required after the work is complete (drop ceiling, so
fishing
wires no problem.)

There don't appear to be a lot of off the shelf solutions available. *In
fact, this is the only one that I saw that even looks like it has a hope
of working properly

http://www.garvinindustries.com/Elec...es/4-Square-Ju....

I also found the Raco 8206RAC which would appear to work, but it looks
like all holes are through not tapped? *in which case that wouldn't
work,
at least not easily.

Anyone else have any product ideas?

thanks

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

If you "need" a 1900 box, the one you chose should work. The Raco is just
a
low voltage 2 gang opening, not a box. If that would work, there are
other 2
gang openings made by Arlington, or Caddy and others. I would think you
could also use 2 deep gem boxes ganged together

there are only 4 screw holes in the device, and they line up with 1900 box
holes, that is the problem...

mfgr. of the device sells a nice painted surface box for it, but they are
out of stock for 6 weeks (whoops!)

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

OK, but 1900 boxes only have 2 holes.

Right, they only provide two screws with the device, but four holes,
presumably so that it doesn't matter in which orientation the 1900 box
is installed.

The Raco 8206RAC *has holes like a
1900 2 gang reducing cover, which of course is not 4x4

I think I found what I was really looking for... once I left the office
and started looking on my computer at home (is it the real keyboard?
The comfy chair? *The vintage draftsman's lamp? *dunno, but the
interwebs seem to work better for me here.) *I *think* that the Raco
205RAC is what I was really looking for. *The objection my installer
raised to the other ring was that it would be damn near impossible to
install the box, ring, and device without having tapped holes in the
ring... looks like someone's already mentioned that to them. *The 205RAC
appears to have two through holes, which would allow you to pre-install
the box and extension ring to the back of the "retro-ring" before
inserting into the wall; then there's still two tapped holes to allow
you to mount the device.

I'm gonna stop by the supply house on my way to the office in the AM and
see if they have a 205RAC that I can buy for a test fit.

Of course, if there's any other product I should be looking at, please
let me know...

nate

just in case anyone cares, I stopped at the supply house this AM and
got one of the 205RACs for a sample, on my test "wall" (a couple
pieces of stiff cardboard stapled together) it works fantastically. I
had to mock it up because of concerns of the ring showing from behind
the device, but it's not really noticeable.

nate

This is actually a work related question, but I figured it couldn't
hurt
to throw this out because some of you guys may have run into a
similar
situation in the past... I need 140 of these so getting it right up
front
is important.

Let's say that I have a device that requires a 1900 box (no other
format
will do) that must be a minimum of roughly 2-3/4" deep, 3" preferred.
I
would like to mount it in an existing drywall studded wall with
hopefully
no patching required after the work is complete (drop ceiling, so
fishing
wires no problem.)

There don't appear to be a lot of off the shelf solutions available.
In
fact, this is the only one that I saw that even looks like it has a
hope
of working properly

http://www.garvinindustries.com/Elec...es/4-Square-Ju...

I also found the Raco 8206RAC which would appear to work, but it
looks
like all holes are through not tapped? in which case that wouldn't
work,
at least not easily.

Anyone else have any product ideas?

thanks

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

If you "need" a 1900 box, the one you chose should work. The Raco is
just
a
low voltage 2 gang opening, not a box. If that would work, there are
other 2
gang openings made by Arlington, or Caddy and others. I would think
you
could also use 2 deep gem boxes ganged together

there are only 4 screw holes in the device, and they line up with 1900
box
holes, that is the problem...

mfgr. of the device sells a nice painted surface box for it, but they
are
out of stock for 6 weeks (whoops!)

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

OK, but 1900 boxes only have 2 holes.

Right, they only provide two screws with the device, but four holes,
presumably so that it doesn't matter in which orientation the 1900 box
is installed.

The Raco 8206RAC has holes like a
1900 2 gang reducing cover, which of course is not 4x4

I think I found what I was really looking for... once I left the office
and started looking on my computer at home (is it the real keyboard?
The comfy chair? The vintage draftsman's lamp? dunno, but the
interwebs seem to work better for me here.) I *think* that the Raco
205RAC is what I was really looking for. The objection my installer
raised to the other ring was that it would be damn near impossible to
install the box, ring, and device without having tapped holes in the
ring... looks like someone's already mentioned that to them. The 205RAC
appears to have two through holes, which would allow you to pre-install
the box and extension ring to the back of the "retro-ring" before
inserting into the wall; then there's still two tapped holes to allow
you to mount the device.

I'm gonna stop by the supply house on my way to the office in the AM and
see if they have a 205RAC that I can buy for a test fit.

Of course, if there's any other product I should be looking at, please
let me know...

nate

just in case anyone cares, I stopped at the supply house this AM and
got one of the 205RACs for a sample, on my test "wall" (a couple
pieces of stiff cardboard stapled together) it works fantastically. I
had to mock it up because of concerns of the ring showing from behind
the device, but it's not really noticeable.



*I've used them on occasion. They are very handy, but a little pricey.