Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle systems
for cooling the patio area. I'm looking into some sort of professional
system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched these things
enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine enough to work, is
going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water in a very short time.
So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone installed a system with a
dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is welcome.

On Jun 12, 10:51*am, Smitty Two wrote:
Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle systems
for cooling the patio area. *I'm looking into some sort of professional
system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched these things
enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine enough to work, is
going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water in a very short time. *
So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone installed a system with a
dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is welcome.

What is RO???

hr(bob) wrote:
....

What is RO???

reverse osmosis I presume...

--

Smitty Two wrote:
Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle systems
for cooling the patio area. I'm looking into some sort of professional
system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched these things
enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine enough to work, is
going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water in a very short time.
So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone installed a system with a
dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is welcome.

I used to go to a restaurant that used those darn things...irritating as
hell! This is Florida, so it gets hot, but they used the things along
with fans, in the evening, in the shade of a covered patio.

wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle
systems for cooling the patio area. I'm looking into some sort of
professional system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched
these things enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine
enough to work, is going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water
in a very short time. So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone
installed a system with a dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the
calculations yet as far as GPM. Any recommendations or feedback on any
aspect of this topic is welcome.

I used to go to a restaurant that used those darn things...irritating as
hell! This is Florida, so it gets hot, but they used the things along
with fans, in the evening, in the shade of a covered patio.

I don't know, the cattle like 'em in the barns...

For OP, the FarmTek misters are 5 gph/emitter and no terrible trouble w/
hard well water here w/ excessive lime-up.

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wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle
systems for cooling the patio area. I'm looking into some sort of
professional system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched
these things enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine
enough to work, is going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water
in a very short time. So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone
installed a system with a dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the
calculations yet as far as GPM. Any recommendations or feedback on any
aspect of this topic is welcome.

I used to go to a restaurant that used those darn things...irritating as
hell! This is Florida, so it gets hot, but they used the things along
with fans, in the evening, in the shade of a covered patio.

I don't know, the cattle like 'em in the barns...

For OP, the FarmTek misters are 5 gph/emitter and no terrible trouble w/
hard well water here w/ excessive lime-up.

May be an earlier partially complete posting; if so, sorry...

Was going to add how successful/satisfactory will be will depend heavily
on where -- here w/ low RH, evaporative cooling is pretty effective.
Southeast US, etc., not so much...

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dpb wrote:
....

For OP, the FarmTek misters are 5 gph/emitter ...

http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;ft1_plumbing_accessories-ft1_aquacool_systems-ft1_nozzles_sprayers_4;pgwf4070_WF4065.html

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:42:47 -0500, dpb wrote:

dpb wrote:
...

For OP, the FarmTek misters are 5 gph/emitter ...

http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/prod1;ft1_plumbing_accessories-ft1_aquacool_systems-ft1_nozzles_sprayers_4;pgwf4070_WF4065.html

Nice. The mister system here in the desert are usually small tubes
and small brass heads. They clog frequently because of hard water. The
better built ones use 1/2" PVC.

Your link looks an easy to maintain system.

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dpb wrote:

hr(bob) wrote:
...

What is RO???

reverse osmosis I presume...

--

Yes.

Smitty Two wrote:
Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle systems
for cooling the patio area. I'm looking into some sort of professional
system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched these things
enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine enough to work, is
going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water in a very short time.
So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone installed a system with a
dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is welcome.

Better to use distilled water. Route the drain water from your
dehumdifier from inside the house to your mister.



--
LSMFT

I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months.
I don't like to interrupt her.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:27:12 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
dpb wrote:

hr(bob) wrote:
...

What is RO???

reverse osmosis I presume...

--

Yes.

I don't think RO will provide enough water pressure?

A whole house filter would help with minerals, etc. and then
occasionally change the filter as needed.

Sample:
http://www.filtersfast.com/P-Culliga...ter-Filter.asp

In article ,
LSMFT wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle systems
for cooling the patio area. I'm looking into some sort of professional
system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched these things
enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine enough to work, is
going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water in a very short time.
So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone installed a system with a
dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is welcome.

Better to use distilled water. Route the drain water from your
dehumdifier from inside the house to your mister.

From the TDS meter results, RO is pretty darn close to distilled. I like
your idea though, except that if it were humid enough to run a
dehumidifier, a mister wouldn't do much good for cooling.

In article ,
dpb wrote:

dpb wrote:
...

For OP, the FarmTek misters are 5 gph/emitter ...

http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies...ries-ft1_aquac
ool_systems-ft1_nozzles_sprayers_4;pgwf4070_WF4065.html

--

Ouch. 5GPM is a hell of a load on an RO system.

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:27:12 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
dpb wrote:

hr(bob) wrote:
...

What is RO???

reverse osmosis I presume...

--

Yes.

I don't think RO will provide enough water pressure?

A whole house filter would help with minerals, etc. and then
occasionally change the filter as needed.

Sample:
http://www.filtersfast.com/P-Culliga...ter-Filter.asp

It's true I'd need an RO holding tank and supplemental pressure. The
professional misting systems use a compressor rather than relying on
faucet pressure. I will check out the whole house filter, though, thanks!

In article ,
dpb wrote:

Was going to add how successful/satisfactory will be will depend heavily
on where -- here w/ low RH, evaporative cooling is pretty effective.
Southeast US, etc., not so much...

Understood. Target is 110 degrees F and dry as a bone.

Smitty Two wrote:
.... Ouch. 5GPM is a hell of a load on an RO system.

5 gpH/emitter...

--

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:57:37 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
dpb wrote:

dpb wrote:
...

For OP, the FarmTek misters are 5 gph/emitter ...

http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies...ries-ft1_aquac
ool_systems-ft1_nozzles_sprayers_4;pgwf4070_WF4065.html

--

Ouch. 5GPM is a hell of a load on an RO system.

You need to feed 60 misters. ;-)

In article ,
dpb wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
... Ouch. 5GPM is a hell of a load on an RO system.

5 gpH/emitter...

--

Sorry, I mistyped. I meant to say 5gph is a hell of a load. I think my
little undersink unit makes about 3 gallons per day.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:59:16 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

I will check out the whole house filter, though, thanks!

If so, find one with a clear case. Easily allows fast inspection.

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
dpb wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
... Ouch. 5GPM is a hell of a load on an RO system.

5 gpH/emitter...

--

Sorry, I mistyped. I meant to say 5gph is a hell of a load. I think my
little undersink unit makes about 3 gallons per day.

3 gal/day -- 0.13 gal/hr * 8.4 lb/gal ~ 1 lb/hr

1 lb/hr * 970 Btu/lb /(12000 Btu/hr/T) -- 0.08 T cooling

Probably not enough to make much difference in an outside environment
unless it's a very small area somehow enclosed from any air movement, etc.

--

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" wrote:


I used to go to a restaurant that used those darn things...irritating as
hell! This is Florida, so it gets hot, but they used the things along
with fans, in the evening, in the shade of a covered patio.

I think the problem with many of them is that the water droplets are too
large, and you get rained on. Not exactly what the exothermic doctor
ordered.

In article ,
" wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:57:37 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
dpb wrote:

dpb wrote:
...

For OP, the FarmTek misters are 5 gph/emitter ...

http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies...ssories-ft1_aq
uac
ool_systems-ft1_nozzles_sprayers_4;pgwf4070_WF4065.html

--

Ouch. 5GPM is a hell of a load on an RO system.

You need to feed 60 misters. ;-)

Not to mention that. But actually it looks like dpb's link was to a
nozzle that covers either a 15' radius, or a 3' diameter area, depending
on one's interpretation. I guess if it's the former I wouldn't need 60
of them ...

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:34:53 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:


I used to go to a restaurant that used those darn things...irritating as
hell! This is Florida, so it gets hot, but they used the things along
with fans, in the evening, in the shade of a covered patio.

I think the problem with many of them is that the water droplets are too
large, and you get rained on. Not exactly what the exothermic doctor
ordered.

Micro emitters is the way to deliver the mist.

We reached 110° this past week...pool is open! Meat-n-tater time.

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
" wrote:
....

Not to mention that. But actually it looks like dpb's link was to a
nozzle that covers either a 15' radius, or a 3' diameter area, depending
on one's interpretation. I guess if it's the former I wouldn't need 60
of them ...

That's a typo...the 3' should be 30' diameter in the text. We've got
'em at 20' spacing as that's the purlin spacing which was convenient for
piping.

There's a barb connection little plastic one I've never seen that's
lower volume, product
WF4060 - Droplet Emitter
• 1/2 GPH @ 15-60 PSI.

See other note on cooling amount vis a vis flow rates, though...

--

On Jun 12, 10:51*am, Smitty Two wrote:
Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle systems
for cooling the patio area. *I'm looking into some sort of professional
system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched these things
enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine enough to work, is
going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water in a very short time. *
So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone installed a system with a
dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is welcome.

Ro will expensive to do, Price out cost per gallon, A cheap inline
filter and cleaning heads is once in a while is probably what you will
end up doing.

You know I see people and many pro's to try invent something
that is not new. However using mist water to cool is not for any place
that Humidity goes perhaps over 40% RH and we all know that unless
you living someplace in desert that will not be a case.
So in my opinion you are playing with yourself! Sorry




"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
Summer's here, and I'm thinking again about those misting nozzle systems
for cooling the patio area. I'm looking into some sort of professional
system, not your $29 toy store variety. I've researched these things
enough to believe that any mister nozzle that's fine enough to work, is
going to clog with mineral deposits from tap water in a very short time.
So I'd like to feed the thing RO water. Anyone installed a system with a
dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is welcome.

In article ,
"Grumpy" wrote:

You know I see people and many pro's to try invent something
that is not new. However using mist water to cool is not for any place
that Humidity goes perhaps over 40% RH and we all know that unless
you living someplace in desert that will not be a case.
So in my opinion you are playing with yourself! Sorry




I'm not trying to invent anything. Here's a graph of humidity for the
target area, please tell me whether you think evaporative cooling will
help when the temps get above 100 or so in July and August.

http://members.cox.net/prestwich/humq2211.jpg

Rectal Overflow.

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"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
On Jun 12, 10:51 am, Smitty Two wrote:

dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as
GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is
welcome.

What is RO???

Or the condensate from AC system.

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"LSMFT" wrote in message
...

..

Better to use distilled water. Route the drain water from your
dehumdifier from inside the house to your mister.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:29:50 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or the condensate from AC system.

You get tagged out on second.

The OP needs water pressure for the misters.

Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is
welcome.

My wife wanted one of these systems. Nothing else would do. I commented
that they caused white from evaporated water, and her comment was that she
hadn't seen white in any of the restaurant areas that we had been to where
they were used.

So, we got some. Fast forward a hundred bucks and a year later. White
calcified markings all over the underside of our new steel awning that looks
like ****. Clogged misters even though we used the filter. Cracked tubing
even though we drained it for the winter.

That one is going elsewhere, out to my shop area, and I would never have
another, or suggest that anyone buy or use them unless it is in a grassy
area, or some other type of area where one would not care if it all got
white from evaporated water.

And yeah, I hear all the arguments for reverse osmosis systems to provide
pure water and all that, but now you're getting up into some real money for
a huhdred or two hundred feet of misters, all the stuff that goes with them,
plus the cost of a water purification system.

Just me, but I would never have another.

I'll never say I told you so, but I may say that I said that would happen.

Steve

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On Jun 13, 8:29*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Rectal Overflow.

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Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
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"hr(bob) " wrote in message

...
On Jun 12, 10:51 am, Smitty Two wrote:

dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as
GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is
welcome.

What is RO???

With comments like that you do not make a good presentation for Jesus
or the Mormon Church

In article ,
"SteveB" wrote:

Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is
welcome.

My wife wanted one of these systems. Nothing else would do. I commented
that they caused white from evaporated water, and her comment was that she
hadn't seen white in any of the restaurant areas that we had been to where
they were used.

So, we got some. Fast forward a hundred bucks and a year later. White
calcified markings all over the underside of our new steel awning that looks
like ****. Clogged misters even though we used the filter. Cracked tubing
even though we drained it for the winter.

That one is going elsewhere, out to my shop area, and I would never have
another, or suggest that anyone buy or use them unless it is in a grassy
area, or some other type of area where one would not care if it all got
white from evaporated water.

And yeah, I hear all the arguments for reverse osmosis systems to provide
pure water and all that, but now you're getting up into some real money for
a huhdred or two hundred feet of misters, all the stuff that goes with them,
plus the cost of a water purification system.

Just me, but I would never have another.

I'll never say I told you so, but I may say that I said that would happen.

Steve



Thanks for the first-hand report. The concerns you raise are why I'm
looking at the $1-2k systems rather than the dime store toys.

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"SteveB" wrote:

Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is
welcome.

My wife wanted one of these systems. Nothing else would do. I commented
that they caused white from evaporated water, and her comment was that
she
hadn't seen white in any of the restaurant areas that we had been to
where
they were used.

So, we got some. Fast forward a hundred bucks and a year later. White
calcified markings all over the underside of our new steel awning that
looks
like ****. Clogged misters even though we used the filter. Cracked
tubing
even though we drained it for the winter.

That one is going elsewhere, out to my shop area, and I would never have
another, or suggest that anyone buy or use them unless it is in a grassy
area, or some other type of area where one would not care if it all got
white from evaporated water.

And yeah, I hear all the arguments for reverse osmosis systems to provide
pure water and all that, but now you're getting up into some real money
for
a huhdred or two hundred feet of misters, all the stuff that goes with
them,
plus the cost of a water purification system.

Just me, but I would never have another.

I'll never say I told you so, but I may say that I said that would
happen.

Steve



Thanks for the first-hand report. The concerns you raise are why I'm
looking at the $1-2k systems rather than the dime store toys.

Does it have better water that behaves differently than "normal" cheaper
water?
Steve

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In article ,
"SteveB" wrote:


Does it have better water that behaves differently than "normal" cheaper
water?
Steve


From what I've gleaned, the better systems have compressors that deliver
the water at anywhere from 250-1000 psi; from what I can tell that seems
to be the primary expense. But of course the piping and nozzles are
higher quality too. The higher water pressure means the water can be
forced through smaller orifices, making for finer mist, which means you
get real evaporative cooling rather than just getting wet.

As far as the water, RO or distilled would certainly eliminate the
mineral deposits you experienced as well as the clogged nozzles that
these things seem to be infamous for. If I don't want to make my own, I
can buy RO water for about 30 cents/gallon, so for $3 worth of water I
could have a cool patio for a couple of hours, assuming 5 gph. I don't
need to run the thing all day every day.

Gee, Coach, and I was trying so hard!

(OP can get a cistern and RV type pump with pressure switch if
needed.)

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"Oren" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:29:50 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or the condensate from AC system.

You get tagged out on second.

The OP needs water pressure for the misters.

One man's opinion. So noted.

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"hr(bob) " wrote in message
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On Jun 13, 8:29 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Rectal Overflow.

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"hr(bob) " wrote in message

...
On Jun 12, 10:51 am, Smitty Two wrote:

dedicated RO supply? I haven't done the calculations yet as far as
GPM.
Any recommendations or feedback on any aspect of this topic is
welcome.

What is RO???

With comments like that you do not make a good presentation for Jesus
or the Mormon Church

Expensive water might work better. Who knows? A customer and his money
are soon parted.

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"SteveB" wrote in message
...


Thanks for the first-hand report. The concerns you raise are why I'm
looking at the $1-2k systems rather than the dime store toys.

Does it have better water that behaves differently than "normal"
cheaper
water?
Steve

Visit my site at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com