(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

The gas station's manager suffered a heart attack when he saw Algazawy
fall to the ground, said Krisann Chasarik, spokeswoman for Cal/OSHA,
which is investigating the fatality. The manager's name and condition
were not released.

Algazawy "was a great worker, and our hearts and condolences go out to
the family," said Cina Flores, a district manager for the gas station.
She said the circumstances of Algazawy's death are under
investigation.

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Metspitzer wrote:

(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

The gas station's manager suffered a heart attack when he saw Algazawy
fall to the ground, said Krisann Chasarik, spokeswoman for Cal/OSHA,
which is investigating the fatality. The manager's name and condition
were not released.

Algazawy "was a great worker, and our hearts and condolences go out to
the family," said Cina Flores, a district manager for the gas station.
She said the circumstances of Algazawy's death are under
investigation.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10M5.DTL&tsp=1

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Yes another example of fine journalism... not. Hardly any content, and
the bulk of what is in the piece is wrong.

Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Bob F wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Is there any such thing as a competent journalist?

On Apr 20, 4:20*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Bob F wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Is there any such thing as a competent journalist?

I think I will wait for the Cal OSHA report. It will even have
pictures of something other than the grieving relatives.
--
Tom Horne

"Pete C." wrote in message
ter.com...

Bob F wrote:

Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Is there any such thing as a competent journalist?

Sure there is.
But all competent journalists are unemployed.

Cuz, well, iny moron can cull press releases, and special interests as often
as not submit "the article" pre-written, pre-formatted down to the
column-inch, so all's the "journalist" has to do is add his byline.

I love reading the NYTimes Book Review as well.-- half those goddamm book
reviewers are just profiling themselves, and/or are tyrna show the world
they know more about the subject than the author they are reviewing.

The dick-waving never ends.

Heh, I was wondering about those 16-footers myself.

--
EA

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Special sized high output fluorescent lamps are made for sign lighting.

"RBM" wrote in :


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Special sized high output fluorescent lamps are made for sign lighting.



I can't find that; not online anyway.

I /do/ find specialized ballasts that are made to accommodate total bulb
footage of up to 16ft. This means /bulb combinations/ that total 16ft, such
as two 8-footers, four 4-footers, etc.

I've handled 8-ft fluorescents, and it's not easy. I can't imagine how hard
it must be to handle one twice that length.

--
Tegger

"Tegger" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in :


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Special sized high output fluorescent lamps are made for sign lighting.



I can't find that; not online anyway.

I /do/ find specialized ballasts that are made to accommodate total bulb
footage of up to 16ft. This means /bulb combinations/ that total 16ft,
such
as two 8-footers, four 4-footers, etc.

I've handled 8-ft fluorescents, and it's not easy. I can't imagine how
hard
it must be to handle one twice that length.

--
Tegger

I don't know if there is one 16', but they do make custom sizes. I had to
get one for a sign that was either 10 or 11 feet long. It actually looked
like two bulbs welded together. These were T12 HO lamps

On Apr 20, 5:17*pm, Tegger wrote:
"RBM" wrote :





"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Special sized high output fluorescent lamps are made for sign lighting.

I can't find that; not online anyway.

I /do/ find specialized ballasts that are made to accommodate total bulb
footage of up to 16ft. This means /bulb combinations/ that total 16ft, such
as two 8-footers, four 4-footers, etc.

I've handled 8-ft fluorescents, and it's not easy. I can't imagine how hard
it must be to handle one twice that length.

--
Tegger

I would rather change an 8 ft single pin to those 4 ft bi-pin SOB
tubes! (Some bi-pin connectors are push-in, not common, but much
better than the twist variety)

"Bob Villa" wrote

I would rather change an 8 ft single pin to those 4 ft bi-pin SOB
tubes! (Some bi-pin connectors are push-in, not common, but much
better than the twist variety)

I seem to have a problem with the pins, too. I like those single pin spring
loaded types a lot better. I'm always afraid I'm going to pop the glass,
and have it rain down on me.

Steve

Visit my blog at www.cabgbypasssurgery.com

On Apr 20, 9:13�pm, "Bob F" wrote:
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Probably a 6' fluorescent tube. It's one muslim less.

"harry" wrote in message
...
It's one muslim less.

Plonk.

"h" wrote in message
...

"harry" wrote in message
...
It's one muslim less.

Plonk.

According to new Usenet etiquette, it is better to just plonk someone than
to announce that you are plonking them. But, like you, I still like the
sound effect.

Steve

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"Steve B" wrote in message
...
According to new Usenet etiquette, it is better to just plonk someone than
to announce that you are plonking them. But, like you, I still like the
sound effect.

Steve

And, while it's amusing to think the plonked will waste bandwidth posting
snarky responses which you will never have to see, I think if you're going
to ignore someone it's only polite to tell them.

Bob F wrote:
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?



Either two 8 foot lamps taped together or one of those deadly
AK-47 assault lamps.

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Bob F wrote:
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?



Either two 8 foot lamps taped together or one of those deadly
AK-47 assault lamps.

TDD

Aren't those illegal in Kalifornia?

Steve

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Some of those attendants at the convenience stores have long arms. Wouldn't
one have to touch both ends at the same time to be electrocuted?

Steve

Sorry, someone had to say it.

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"Steve B" wrote in
:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light,
an autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County
Coroner Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Some of those attendants at the convenience stores have long arms.
Wouldn't one have to touch both ends at the same time to be
electrocuted?

Steve

Sorry, someone had to say it.

Visit my blog at www.cabgbypasssurgery.com




no,you just have to touch the HOT side and be touching some other ground
point. resting one arm on an aluminum ladder sited on the ground could be
enough.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
4...
"Steve B" wrote in
:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light,
an autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County
Coroner Robert Foucrault.

Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Some of those attendants at the convenience stores have long arms.
Wouldn't one have to touch both ends at the same time to be
electrocuted?

Steve

Sorry, someone had to say it.

Visit my blog at www.cabgbypasssurgery.com




no,you just have to touch the HOT side and be touching some other ground
point. resting one arm on an aluminum ladder sited on the ground could be
enough.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Poor guy. First he gets zapped. Then he falls no one knows how far and
hits who knows what. Then his only aide and rescuer has a heart attack. I
wonder what was going through that poor guy's mind.

Steve

Steve B wrote:
"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.
Is there really any such thing as a 16 foot bulb?

Some of those attendants at the convenience stores have long arms. Wouldn't
one have to touch both ends at the same time to be electrocuted?

Besides him possibly being grounded, if the voltage and frequency is
high enough, you don't even need a ground path. Imagine a little static
shock you often get in the winter, then think of that same little zap
hitting you 120 times per second, or if it's from an electronic ballast
the frequency goes up to 20,000 Hz (40,000 times per second) or higher.

Metspitzer wrote in
:

(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb



A sixteen-foot-long bulb?

Is there such a thing? Longest I've ever seen is 8ft.


--
Tegger

Tegger wrote:
Metspitzer wrote in
:

(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb



A sixteen-foot-long bulb?

Is there such a thing? Longest I've ever seen is 8ft.



I've installed some ten foot HO sign lamps before. It's not
something you will find at Lowe's-Depot.

TDD

On Apr 21, 5:16*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
Tegger wrote:
Metspitzer wrote in
:

(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb

A sixteen-foot-long bulb?

Is there such a thing? Longest I've ever seen is 8ft.

I've installed some ten foot HO sign lamps before. It's not
something you will find at Lowe's-Depot.

TDD

I know they make some long ones, BAck in the 60s my dad ran a filling
station. The office ceiling was 10ft and I remember that you couldnt
stand the bulbs up inside the office.

Jimmie

Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

The gas station's manager suffered a heart attack when he saw Algazawy
fall to the ground, said Krisann Chasarik, spokeswoman for Cal/OSHA,
which is investigating the fatality. The manager's name and condition
were not released.

Algazawy "was a great worker, and our hearts and condolences go out to
the family," said Cina Flores, a district manager for the gas station.
She said the circumstances of Algazawy's death are under
investigation.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10M5.DTL&tsp=1

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I wonder what voltage is needed to light a 16 footer? Then to make
things worse, if it's a solid state ballast it's at a high frequency
too. Then a fall to the ground also. Ouch. Poor kid.

"Tony" wrote in message
...
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

The gas station's manager suffered a heart attack when he saw Algazawy
fall to the ground, said Krisann Chasarik, spokeswoman for Cal/OSHA,
which is investigating the fatality. The manager's name and condition
were not released.

Algazawy "was a great worker, and our hearts and condolences go out to
the family," said Cina Flores, a district manager for the gas station.
She said the circumstances of Algazawy's death are under
investigation.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10M5.DTL&tsp=1

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I wonder what voltage is needed to light a 16 footer? Then to make things
worse, if it's a solid state ballast it's at a high frequency too. Then a
fall to the ground also. Ouch. Poor kid.

What happens usually happens after the zap. Many witnesses do not know CPR,
and therefore it is not administered until the heart can take over. AC
shocks interrupt the electrical rhythm of the heart, and until that gets
back into synch, the person does not get proper blood flow. There are only
a couple of minutes to initiate CPR, and brain damage begins.

The witness, in this case, also had a medical emergency, so I would assume
that he did very little to assist the victim. Also not stated was whether
there was other trauma from the fall. Whacking your head on the floor from
that height is enough to kill you, too, or in combination. Then, if there
are any other cardiac irregularities, either known or undiagnosed, the high
frequency AC shock could have triggered a cardioelectric event such as
fibrillation or arrhythmia.

He could not have been in contact with the electricity for that long, as he
would have fallen and lost contact.

Just a sad story.

Steve

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Tony wrote the following:
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

The gas station's manager suffered a heart attack when he saw Algazawy
fall to the ground, said Krisann Chasarik, spokeswoman for Cal/OSHA,
which is investigating the fatality. The manager's name and condition
were not released.

Algazawy "was a great worker, and our hearts and condolences go out to
the family," said Cina Flores, a district manager for the gas station.
She said the circumstances of Algazawy's death are under
investigation.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10M5.DTL&tsp=1


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I wonder what voltage is needed to light a 16 footer? Then to make
things worse, if it's a solid state ballast it's at a high frequency
too. Then a fall to the ground also. Ouch. Poor kid.

The report says he was electrocuted while changing a bulb. It does not
say that it was the actual changing of the bulb that electrocuted him.

"But something went wrong as the San Francisco resident climbed on top
of a *metal enclosure* that holds propane tanks on the outside of the 76
gas station at 101 S. Mayfair Ave., police said. Somehow, as Algazawy
changed the florescent light bulbs on the outside of the station, *he
came into contact with a 120-volt power source* and was electrocuted,
San Mateo County Coroner Robert Foucrault said".
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14917381

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

willshak wrote:

Tony wrote the following:
Metspitzer wrote:
(04-19) 13:09 PDT DALY CITY -- A 19-year-old gas-station worker in
Daly City was electrocuted as he was changing a fluorescent light, an
autopsy found Monday.

Mustafa Algazawy of San Francisco was changing a 16-foot-long,
120-volt bulb at the 76 gas station on South Mayfair Avenue when he
was electrocuted about 1:20 p.m. Sunday, said San Mateo County Coroner
Robert Foucrault.

The gas station's manager suffered a heart attack when he saw Algazawy
fall to the ground, said Krisann Chasarik, spokeswoman for Cal/OSHA,
which is investigating the fatality. The manager's name and condition
were not released.

Algazawy "was a great worker, and our hearts and condolences go out to
the family," said Cina Flores, a district manager for the gas station.
She said the circumstances of Algazawy's death are under
investigation.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10M5.DTL&tsp=1


Read mo
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0lfEcei5j


I wonder what voltage is needed to light a 16 footer? Then to make
things worse, if it's a solid state ballast it's at a high frequency
too. Then a fall to the ground also. Ouch. Poor kid.

The report says he was electrocuted while changing a bulb. It does not
say that it was the actual changing of the bulb that electrocuted him.

"But something went wrong as the San Francisco resident climbed on top
of a *metal enclosure* that holds propane tanks on the outside of the 76
gas station at 101 S. Mayfair Ave., police said. Somehow, as Algazawy
changed the florescent light bulbs on the outside of the station, *he
came into contact with a 120-volt power source* and was electrocuted,
San Mateo County Coroner Robert Foucrault said".
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14917381

Based on that description I would think that it was normal 8' flouro
lamps, the reflector / cover was missing and probably a wire nut had
fallen off exposing the twisted and still connected power lead which he
bumped while maneuvering the 8' tube. Falling from standing on the 6'
high or so LP tank cage probably sent him head first into concrete as
well.

Certainly a better report than the original one. Either way sucky for
the kid and the manager.