I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and Garden TV),
where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a low volume toilet,
using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water to live
on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where does all
that extra water go, and what in the world does using less water to flush a
toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump and look
for a low volume high efficiency toilet? I don't think so. And what if it
is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet paper, a can of air
freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear the bathroom so the next
person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet paper,
but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet six times to get
rid of it? My brother Randy was like that. Had a special coat hanger
hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never used a square of toilet
paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? I personally
don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it several times during the
night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's just #1. If it's a #2, flush away,
and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it in the
first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it takes to get THEIR
stinky mess as far away from them as they want a bad speech.

Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water using a
low volume toilet. And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a curse
word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I let all my
waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out through the
toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume toilet that allows for
huge amounts of crap to be passed through a small opening with no problem.

I'm so proud. How about you? We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Steve

On Apr 3, 7:23*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and Garden TV),
where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a low volume toilet,
using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water to live
on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. *Where does all
that extra water go, and what in the world does using less water to flush a
toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump and look
for a low volume high efficiency toilet? *I don't think so. *And what if it
is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet paper, a can of air
freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear the bathroom so the next
person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet paper,
but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet six times to get
rid of it? *My brother Randy was like that. *Had a special coat hanger
hanging there so he could break up the logs. *Never used a square of toilet
paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? *I personally
don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it several times during the
night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's just #1. *If it's a #2, flush away,
and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. *What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it in the
first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it takes to get THEIR
stinky mess as far away from them as they want a bad speech.

Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. *I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water using a
low volume toilet. *And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. *I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a curse
word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I let all my
waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out through the
toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume toilet that allows for
huge amounts of crap to be passed through a small opening with no problem..

I'm so proud. *How about you? *We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Steve

The idea behind the low volume toilet is that you pay the plumber
instead of the department of water who can jack up their prices as
much as they want anyway since they’re a monopoly. The plumber’s wife
has more money to spend on Chinese junk at Walmart which breaks down
every year and has to be replaced and everybody is happy.

"Molly Brown" wrote in message
...
On Apr 3, 7:23 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and Garden
TV),
where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a low volume toilet,
using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water to
live
on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where does all
that extra water go, and what in the world does using less water to flush
a
toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump and
look
for a low volume high efficiency toilet? I don't think so. And what if it
is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet paper, a can of air
freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear the bathroom so the next
person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet paper,
but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet six times to
get
rid of it? My brother Randy was like that. Had a special coat hanger
hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never used a square of toilet
paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? I personally
don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it several times during
the
night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's just #1. If it's a #2, flush
away,
and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it in the
first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it takes to get
THEIR
stinky mess as far away from them as they want a bad speech.

Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water using
a
low volume toilet. And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a curse
word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I let all my
waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out through the
toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume toilet that allows
for
huge amounts of crap to be passed through a small opening with no problem.

I'm so proud. How about you? We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Steve

The idea behind the low volume toilet is that you pay the plumber
instead of the department of water who can jack up their prices as
much as they want anyway since they’re a monopoly. The plumber’s wife
has more money to spend on Chinese junk at Walmart which breaks down
every year and has to be replaced and everybody is happy.


For homes in the desert it MAY make sense but most places it's just feel
good LIBERAL MOON BAT BS..They are obsessed with their enviro religion and
the worship of Gaia..Almost as obsessed as those who suffer with WDS
(Wal-Mart Derangement Syndrome) and blame them for all the worlds ills and
feel the need to bring them into every conversation , even about
toilets.....Not to be confused with BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome)...

In article , benick wrote:
"Molly Brown" wrote in message
...
On Apr 3, 7:23 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and Garden
TV),
where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a low volume toilet,
using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water to
live
on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where does all
that extra water go, and what in the world does using less water to flush
a
toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump and
look
for a low volume high efficiency toilet? I don't think so. And what if it
is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet paper, a can of air
freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear the bathroom so the next
person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet paper,
but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet six times to
get
rid of it? My brother Randy was like that. Had a special coat hanger
hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never used a square of toilet
paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? I personally
don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it several times during
the
night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's just #1. If it's a #2, flush
away,
and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it in the
first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it takes to get
THEIR
stinky mess as far away from them as they want a bad speech.

Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water using
a
low volume toilet. And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a curse
word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I let all my
waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out through the
toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume toilet that allows
for
huge amounts of crap to be passed through a small opening with no problem.

I'm so proud. How about you? We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Steve

The idea behind the low volume toilet is that you pay the plumber
instead of the department of water who can jack up their prices as
much as they want anyway since they’re a monopoly. The plumber’s wife
has more money to spend on Chinese junk at Walmart which breaks down
every year and has to be replaced and everybody is happy.

For homes in the desert it MAY make sense but most places it's just feel
good LIBERAL MOON BAT BS..They are obsessed with their enviro religion and
the worship of Gaia..Almost as obsessed as those who suffer with WDS
(Wal-Mart Derangement Syndrome) and blame them for all the worlds ills and
feel the need to bring them into every conversation , even about
toilets.....Not to be confused with BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome)...

And the complaints against low-flush toilets are degenerating into the
above sort of stuff now that there are low-flush toilets that work better
than toilets ever did prior to mandates for low-flush toilets.

- Don Klipstein )

Steve B wrote:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and
Garden TV), where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a
low volume toilet, using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water
to live on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where
does all that extra water go, and what in the world does using
less water to flush a toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump
and look for a low volume high efficiency toilet? I don't think so. And
what if it is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet
paper, a can of air freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear
the bathroom so the next person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet
paper, but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet
six times to get rid of it? My brother Randy was like that. Had a
special coat hanger hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never
used a square of toilet paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? I
personally don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it
several times during the night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's
just #1. If it's a #2, flush away, and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it
in the first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it
takes to get THEIR stinky mess as far away from them as they want a
bad speech.
Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water
using a low volume toilet. And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a
curse word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I
let all my waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out
through the toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume
toilet that allows for huge amounts of crap to be passed through a
small opening with no problem.
I'm so proud. How about you? We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.


Two things to bear in mind:

1. Water can be created by burning Hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen. ALL
other water is "used" water. The water you drink was probably toilet water
sometime in the past.

2. Carrying on with your political concern, this just shows how conflicted
our government is. As you rightly point out, there is agitation to use less
water in the mandating of low-flow toilets.

Meanwhile, there is a companion effort in Washington to encourage us to eat
more vegetables. Vegetables, in the main, generate "floaters" which require
more flushes in low-flow toilets to accomplish the desired result.

This is not the only instance of two government agencies working to destroy
the efforts of each other. We, meanwhile, don't know whether to crap or eat
a carrot.

I, personally, prefer to return to a simpler time:

In days of old, when knights were bold,
Before toilets were invented,
They dumped their load,
Beside the road,
And went their way contented.

On Apr 4, 5:50*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Steve B wrote:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and
Garden TV), where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a
low volume toilet, using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water
to live on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where
does all that extra water go, and what in the world does using
less water to flush a toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump
and look for a low volume high efficiency toilet? *I don't think so. And
what if it is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet
paper, a can of air freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear
the bathroom so the next person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet
paper, but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet
six times to get rid of it? *My brother Randy was like that. *Had a
special coat hanger hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never
used a square of toilet paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? *I
personally don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it
several times during the night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's
just #1. *If it's a #2, flush away, and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. *What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it
in the first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it
takes to get THEIR stinky mess as far away from them as they want a
bad speech.
Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. *I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water
using a low volume toilet. *And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. *I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a
curse word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I
let all my waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out
through the toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume
toilet that allows for huge amounts of crap to be passed through a
small opening with no problem.
I'm so proud. *How about you? *We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Two things to bear in mind:

1. Water can be created by burning Hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen. ALL
other water is "used" water. The water you drink was probably toilet water
sometime in the past.

2. Carrying on with your political concern, this just shows how conflicted
our government is. As you rightly point out, there is agitation to use less
water in the mandating of low-flow toilets.

Meanwhile, there is a companion effort in Washington to encourage us to eat
more vegetables. Vegetables, in the main, generate "floaters" which require
more flushes in low-flow toilets to accomplish the desired result.

This is not the only instance of two government agencies working to destroy
the efforts of each other. We, meanwhile, don't know whether to crap or eat
a carrot.

I, personally, prefer to return to a simpler time:

In days of old, when knights were bold,
Before toilets were invented,
They dumped their load,
Beside the road,
And went their way contented.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Most of the time when I find a problem with the new lower flush it is
old plumbing to blame , if it is an early version of low flush it is
the humane to blame . 25 yrs in the trade so I know what I see.

On 4/3/2010 10:23 PM, Steve B wrote:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and Garden TV),
where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a low volume toilet,
using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water to live
on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where does all
that extra water go, and what in the world does using less water to flush a
toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump and look
for a low volume high efficiency toilet? I don't think so. And what if it
is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet paper, a can of air
freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear the bathroom so the next
person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet paper,
but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet six times to get
rid of it? My brother Randy was like that. Had a special coat hanger
hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never used a square of toilet
paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? I personally
don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it several times during the
night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's just #1. If it's a #2, flush away,
and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it in the
first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it takes to get THEIR
stinky mess as far away from them as they want a bad speech.

Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water using a
low volume toilet. And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a curse
word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I let all my
waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out through the
toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume toilet that allows for
huge amounts of crap to be passed through a small opening with no problem.

I'm so proud. How about you? We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Steve


I don't like government mandating every little thing we do but I have
had to replace old toilets and have had no problems with the new ones.
I guess they overcame design deficiencies of the original no flushers.
I'm on well and septic so I don't care about price of water but it is
nice not to have as much for the drain field to handle.

Steve B wrote the following:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and Garden TV),
where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a low volume toilet,
using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water to live
on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where does all
that extra water go, and what in the world does using less water to flush a
toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump and look
for a low volume high efficiency toilet? I don't think so. And what if it
is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet paper, a can of air
freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear the bathroom so the next
person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet paper,
but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet six times to get
rid of it? My brother Randy was like that. Had a special coat hanger
hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never used a square of toilet
paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? I personally
don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it several times during the
night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's just #1. If it's a #2, flush away,
and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it in the
first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it takes to get THEIR
stinky mess as far away from them as they want a bad speech.

Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water using a
low volume toilet. And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a curse
word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I let all my
waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out through the
toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume toilet that allows for
huge amounts of crap to be passed through a small opening with no problem.

I'm so proud. How about you? We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Steve



Good points. :-)
I'm not causing any problems upstream or downstream.
I get my water directly from the ground, use it, and put it back in the
ground in a different place.
I have 3 old American Standard Plebe toilets. The 5 gallon type, I think.
The only bad thing about my setup is that the 220 volt, 3/4 horsepower
well pump has to replace the flushed water. This costs electricity
Recently I installed one of the dual flush converter types. MJSI HYR270
HydroRight Drop-In Dual Flush Converter (usual disclaimer applies). I
got mine through Amazon.
The old style flusher handle on the front of the tank is replaced with a
dual button flusher.
The top button flushes about 2-3 gallons of the 5, which is enough for #1
The bottom button unloads the tank for #2.
So far it works well. I'll be getting two more for the other toilets

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

I think you think too much.

Relax, take the Sunday paper, sit on the john, and take a nice, long
relaxing crap.

Chill. Really.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 04:41:46 -0700 (PDT), jim
wrote:

Most of the time when I find a problem with the new lower flush it is
old plumbing to blame , if it is an early version of low flush it is
the humane to blame . 25 yrs in the trade so I know what I see.

The first swipe at low flow was a disaster. I have a kohler one piece
Kohler we call the #1 toilet because any decent #2 will plug it but
the new Toto, wall hanger we have would flush a small child.

I do agree with those who say we will run out of clean water long
before we run out of oil.
The North East does not understand that but if you live in the south
or the west you can see your lakes running dry, static water levels in
your wells dropping and some wells just stop producing altogether.

Like I said it may be a good idea for some areas..But to MANDATE them for
everybody is BS...Me saving a couple of gallons of water here in Maine that
would other wise run into the Atlantic will do absolutely nothing to help
those experiencing a drought or live in the desert...We will never run out
of fresh water...Some areas may get more rain while others get less , but
unless it stops raining world wide we will not run out...It doesn't go
anywhere , it all stays here on the Earth...Unless aliens are stealing
it...LOL...

benick wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 04:41:46 -0700 (PDT), jim
wrote:

Most of the time when I find a problem with the new lower flush it is
old plumbing to blame , if it is an early version of low flush it is
the humane to blame . 25 yrs in the trade so I know what I see.

The first swipe at low flow was a disaster. I have a kohler one piece
Kohler we call the #1 toilet because any decent #2 will plug it but
the new Toto, wall hanger we have would flush a small child.

I do agree with those who say we will run out of clean water long
before we run out of oil.
The North East does not understand that but if you live in the south
or the west you can see your lakes running dry, static water levels in
your wells dropping and some wells just stop producing altogether.

Like I said it may be a good idea for some areas..But to MANDATE them
for everybody is BS...Me saving a couple of gallons of water here in
Maine that would other wise run into the Atlantic will do absolutely
nothing to help those experiencing a drought or live in the desert...We
will never run out of fresh water...Some areas may get more rain while
others get less , but unless it stops raining world wide we will not run
out...It doesn't go anywhere , it all stays here on the Earth...Unless
aliens are stealing it...LOL...


Like Sam Kinison said about food in Africa- it isn't a matter of not
enough, it is a matter of the people being in the wrong place. Every
ecosystem has a carrying capacity. In a desert, the limit on that is
usually set by water. Aquifers may fill at the rate of a fraction of an
inch per year. Man, in his arrogance, plunks a city down there, and in
less than a century, pretty much drains an aquifer that took 10,000
years to fill. Can you say Duh?.

No, I don't want my tax money spent to pipe the Great Lakes to the
Desert Southwest. Start a reverse colonization of some of the old
abandoned cities that- guess what?- have plenty of water.

--
aem sends...

I would guess that common sense is lacking, the world
around. Of course, you can't tell em that.

I had dinner with my parents tonight. I mentioned something.
He tells of the volunteer group he's been with, for twenty
yeasrs. The one time they had a big meeting, they kept notes
of all the things that had to happen, in order to get a good
meeting going. Call the hotel, and find out the names of the
conference rooms, so they can put in the programs that the
Management meeting is in the Ballroom, and the trades
working meeting is in the Seneca room. That kind of thing.
The management of the volunteer group changed, and the new
managers totally, and adamantly REFUSE to even consider
accepting or looking at what the old guys did.

Same mentality that runs out of aquifier.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"aemeijers" wrote in message
...

Like Sam Kinison said about food in Africa- it isn't a
matter of not
enough, it is a matter of the people being in the wrong
place. Every
ecosystem has a carrying capacity. In a desert, the limit on
that is
usually set by water. Aquifers may fill at the rate of a
fraction of an
inch per year. Man, in his arrogance, plunks a city down
there, and in
less than a century, pretty much drains an aquifer that took
10,000
years to fill. Can you say Duh?.

No, I don't want my tax money spent to pipe the Great Lakes
to the
Desert Southwest. Start a reverse colonization of some of
the old
abandoned cities that- guess what?- have plenty of water.

--
aem sends...

benick wrote:

Like I said it may be a good idea for some areas..But to MANDATE them
for everybody is BS...Me saving a couple of gallons of water here in
Maine that would other wise run into the Atlantic will do absolutely
nothing to help those experiencing a drought or live in the desert...We
will never run out of fresh water...Some areas may get more rain while
others get less , but unless it stops raining world wide we will not run
out...It doesn't go anywhere , it all stays here on the Earth...Unless
aliens are stealing it...LOL...



Nation wide, and world wide, water tables are receding all the time.
100 years ago they still dug most wells by hand, now they drill 800 feet
and more. Cities do a lot of damage to the water tables letting most of
the rainwater run off to rivers instead of into the ground. It's easy
to run out of fresh water. It's happening all the time. We can't just
keep drilling wells deeper and deeper.

Tony wrote the following:
benick wrote:

Like I said it may be a good idea for some areas..But to MANDATE them
for everybody is BS...Me saving a couple of gallons of water here in
Maine that would other wise run into the Atlantic will do absolutely
nothing to help those experiencing a drought or live in the
desert...We will never run out of fresh water...Some areas may get
more rain while others get less , but unless it stops raining world
wide we will not run out...It doesn't go anywhere , it all stays here
on the Earth...Unless aliens are stealing it...LOL...



Nation wide, and world wide, water tables are receding all the time.
100 years ago they still dug most wells by hand, now they drill 800
feet and more. Cities do a lot of damage to the water tables letting
most of the rainwater run off to rivers instead of into the ground.
It's easy to run out of fresh water. It's happening all the time. We
can't just keep drilling wells deeper and deeper.

That's why the Earth has temperature cycles, like the current Global
Warming. Pretty soon you'll be up to your ass in fresh water.
Of course, the depth will be different for some people, depending upon
how high on their body their ass is located. :-)


--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

On Apr 5, 10:59�am, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:18:30 -0400, willshak
wrote:





Tony wrote the following:
benick wrote:

Like I said it may be a good idea for some areas..But to MANDATE them
for everybody is BS...Me saving a couple of gallons of water here in
Maine that would other wise run into the Atlantic will do absolutely
nothing to help those experiencing a drought or live in the
desert...We will never run out of fresh water...Some areas may get
more rain while others get less , but unless it stops raining world
wide we will not run out...It doesn't go anywhere , it all stays here
on the Earth...Unless aliens are stealing it...LOL...

Nation wide, and world wide, water tables are receding all the time.
100 years ago they still dug most wells by hand, now they drill 800
feet and more. �Cities do a lot of damage to the water tables letting
most of the rainwater run off to rivers instead of into the ground. �
It's easy to run out of fresh water. �It's happening all the time. �We
can't just keep drilling wells deeper and deeper.

That's why the Earth has temperature cycles, like the current Global
Warming. Pretty soon you'll be up to your ass in fresh water.
Of course, the depth will be different for some people, depending upon
how high on their body their ass is located. :-)

The world will be up to it's ass in salt water, not fresh water. The
ice shelves will melt into the ocean.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the obvious solution is desalinating ocean water and pump it inland to
places like phoenix.

costly but its a solution.

In article , HeyBub wrote:

SNIP previously quoted stuff to edit for space

Two things to bear in mind:

1. Water can be created by burning Hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen. ALL
other water is "used" water. The water you drink was probably toilet water
sometime in the past.

2. Carrying on with your political concern, this just shows how conflicted
our government is. As you rightly point out, there is agitation to use less
water in the mandating of low-flow toilets.

Meanwhile, there is a companion effort in Washington to encourage us to eat
more vegetables. Vegetables, in the main, generate "floaters" which require
more flushes in low-flow toilets to accomplish the desired result.

My experience is that veggies don't make me generate floaters. Some
gas-producing foods sometimes do when my digestion system is not used to
them (such as if I eat a large quantity of beans after 2 weeks or hardly
eating any).

The main blame I hear for floaters is unabsorbed fat content, usually
from a combination of fat consumption and bile from the liver not doing
its job.

Meanwhile, I have seen 1.6 gallon per flush toilets that flush as well
as I have ever seen a toilet flush.

This is not the only instance of two government agencies working to destroy
the efforts of each other. We, meanwhile, don't know whether to crap or eat
a carrot.

SNIP

- Don Klipstein )

On Apr 4, 11:50�am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Steve B wrote:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and
Garden TV), where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a
low volume toilet, using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water
to live on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where
does all that extra water go, and what in the world does using
less water to flush a toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump
and look for a low volume high efficiency toilet? �I don't think so. And
what if it is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet
paper, a can of air freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear
the bathroom so the next person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet
paper, but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet
six times to get rid of it? �My brother Randy was like that. �Had a
special coat hanger hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never
used a square of toilet paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? �I
personally don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it
several times during the night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's
just #1. �If it's a #2, flush away, and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. �What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it
in the first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it
takes to get THEIR stinky mess as far away from them as they want a
bad speech.
Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. �I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water
using a low volume toilet. �And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. �I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a
curse word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I
let all my waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out
through the toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume
toilet that allows for huge amounts of crap to be passed through a
small opening with no problem.
I'm so proud. �How about you? �We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Two things to bear in mind:

1. Water can be created by burning Hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen. ALL
other water is "used" water. The water you drink was probably toilet water
sometime in the past.

2. Carrying on with your political concern, this just shows how conflicted
our government is. As you rightly point out, there is agitation to use less
water in the mandating of low-flow toilets.

Meanwhile, there is a companion effort in Washington to encourage us to eat
more vegetables. Vegetables, in the main, generate "floaters" which require
more flushes in low-flow toilets to accomplish the desired result.

This is not the only instance of two government agencies working to destroy
the efforts of each other. We, meanwhile, don't know whether to crap or eat
a carrot.

I, personally, prefer to return to a simpler time:

In days of old, when knights were bold,
Before toilets were invented,
They dumped their load,
Beside the road,
And went their way contented.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In days of old,
When knights were bold,
And women weren't invented,
Men had to drill holes,
In telegraph poles,
And with them be contented.

Just reminded me of that one...........

On Apr 5, 6:00�pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:
In article , HeyBub wrote:

SNIP previously quoted stuff to edit for space

Two things to bear in mind:

1. Water can be created by burning Hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen. ALL
other water is "used" water. The water you drink was probably toilet water
sometime in the past.

2. Carrying on with your political concern, this just shows how conflicted
our government is. As you rightly point out, there is agitation to use less
water in the mandating of low-flow toilets.

Meanwhile, there is a companion effort in Washington to encourage us to eat
more vegetables. Vegetables, in the main, generate "floaters" which require
more flushes in low-flow toilets to accomplish the desired result.

� My experience is that veggies don't make me generate floaters. �Some
gas-producing foods sometimes do when my digestion system is not used to
them (such as if I eat a large quantity of beans after 2 weeks or hardly
eating any).

� The main blame I hear for floaters is unabsorbed fat content, usually
from a combination of fat consumption and bile from the liver not doing
its job.

� Meanwhile, I have seen 1.6 gallon per flush toilets that flush as well
as I have ever seen a toilet flush.

This is not the only instance of two government agencies working to destroy
the efforts of each other. We, meanwhile, don't know whether to crap or eat
a carrot.

SNIP

�- Don Klipstein )

The simple solution is to gather &store rainwater & use that to flush
the toilet.

On Apr 3, 8:23*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and Garden TV),
where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a low volume toilet,
using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water to live
on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. *Where does all
that extra water go, and what in the world does using less water to flush a
toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump and look
for a low volume high efficiency toilet? *I don't think so. *And what if it
is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet paper, a can of air
freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear the bathroom so the next
person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet paper,
but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet six times to get
rid of it? *My brother Randy was like that. *Had a special coat hanger
hanging there so he could break up the logs. *Never used a square of toilet
paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? *I personally
don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it several times during the
night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's just #1. *If it's a #2, flush away,
and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. *What a bunch of
bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it in the
first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it takes to get THEIR
stinky mess as far away from them as they want a bad speech.

Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. *I foreclosed on two
families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water using a
low volume toilet. *And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. *I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a curse
word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I let all my
waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out through the
toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume toilet that allows for
huge amounts of crap to be passed through a small opening with no problem..

I'm so proud. *How about you? *We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Steve

==
I'm laughing so hard, that I can hardly type (key) this. So true, so
true, the hype over the past twenty years about low-flow toilets has
been just that...HYPE.

I'm going to save your posting and send it to all of my friends and
relatives...I'm sure that they will agree with you.
==

"Tony" wrote in message
...
benick wrote:

Like I said it may be a good idea for some areas..But to MANDATE them for
everybody is BS...Me saving a couple of gallons of water here in Maine
that would other wise run into the Atlantic will do absolutely nothing to
help those experiencing a drought or live in the desert...We will never
run out of fresh water...Some areas may get more rain while others get
less , but unless it stops raining world wide we will not run out...It
doesn't go anywhere , it all stays here on the Earth...Unless aliens are
stealing it...LOL...



Nation wide, and world wide, water tables are receding all the time. 100
years ago they still dug most wells by hand, now they drill 800 feet and
more. Cities do a lot of damage to the water tables letting most of the
rainwater run off to rivers instead of into the ground. It's easy to run
out of fresh water. It's happening all the time. We can't just keep
drilling wells deeper and deeper.



Around here there are springs bubbling up everywhere..There is several less
than 100 feet from my house..My well is 150 feet deep...The deepest well I
have heard of is 300 feet..Only to try to get iron free water...Most of the
lakes are spring fed...Here we export water...Ever hear of Poland Springs
Water ?? My bull**** meter is going off full blast....

Like I said it may be a good idea for some areas..But to MANDATE them
for
everybody is BS...

Just take a pill. When we renovated our bathroom 3 years ago we FINALLY
swapped out the "high flow" toilet that was in the house when we bought it
for a low-flow Toto Ultimate. The old toilet used gallons for each flush,
yet we still needed a plunger frequently. The low-flow toilet has NEVER,
EVER needed a second flush much less stopped up. It doesn't need to be
scrubbed constantly like the old one, either. Just buy a QUALITY toilet, not
a $99 one from a big box store.

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:24:23 -0700, Roy wrote:


==
I'm laughing so hard, that I can hardly type (key) this. So true, so
true, the hype over the past twenty years about low-flow toilets has
been just that...HYPE.

I'm going to save your posting and send it to all of my friends and
relatives...I'm sure that they will agree with you.
==

Damn Roy, I can't believe anyone is as dumb as me!
How often do they let you out unsupervised.

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:06:16 -0400, Steve B wrote:

On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:24:23 -0700, Roy wrote:


==
I'm laughing so hard, that I can hardly type (key) this. So true, so
true, the hype over the past twenty years about low-flow toilets has
been just that...HYPE.

I'm going to save your posting and send it to all of my friends and
relatives...I'm sure that they will agree with you.
==

Damn Roy, I can't believe anyone is as dumb as me!
How often do they let you out unsupervised.

What is your political view point, dumby?
After all I make all my posts political in one manor or another.

On Apr 6, 8:24*am, Steve B wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:06:16 -0400, Steve B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:24:23 -0700, Roy wrote:

==
I'm laughing so hard, that I can hardly type (key) this. So true, so
true, the hype over the past twenty years about low-flow toilets has
been just that...HYPE.

I'm going to save your posting and send it to all of my friends and
relatives...I'm sure that they will agree with you.
==

Damn Roy, I can't believe anyone is as dumb as me!
How often do they let you out unsupervised.

What is your political view point, dumby?
After all I make all my posts political in one manor or another.

==
You don't want to know my politics...but I'll give you a hint.

You made a mistake by sending the redcoats back to England...you could
have been Canada South.

Too late now.
==

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 09:34:44 -0700, Roy wrote:

On Apr 6, 8:24*am, Steve B wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:06:16 -0400, Steve B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:24:23 -0700, Roy wrote:

==
I'm laughing so hard, that I can hardly type (key) this. So true, so
true, the hype over the past twenty years about low-flow toilets has
been just that...HYPE.

I'm going to save your posting and send it to all of my friends and
relatives...I'm sure that they will agree with you.
==

Damn Roy, I can't believe anyone is as dumb as me!
How often do they let you out unsupervised.

What is your political view point, dumby?
After all I make all my posts political in one manor or another.

==
You don't want to know my politics...but I'll give you a hint.

You made a mistake by sending the redcoats back to England...you could
have been Canada South.

Too late now.
==

We flush twice to send things to Canada.