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On Mar 20, 5:50*am, wrote:
On Mar 20, 8:35*am, wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 19, 2:33*pm, wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:17:40 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 19, 7:36*am, wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:15:05 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 19, 3:43*am, mm wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:25:29 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:24:06 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 18, 5:25*pm, wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:20:08 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 18, 7:41*am, wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: Really OT but on subject of press 'buying into stories'. *Balloon Boy is a fine example. *They bought the story of the kid being in there and that went on for hours and hours. *Not once, not nobody, even mentioned that had the kid been in there he was dead. *You cannot breath a helium atmosphere and live. I don't recall that anyone ever reported that he was inside the helium filled envelope. There was a small "box" on the underside. Only one of the kids at the beginning, daddy and mommy a couple times. *The original 911 call was 'kid in the baloon' No, there was no 'box' attached. *There was one unconfirmed report that someone had "seen" one but Daddy never confirmed nor denied that there was one. *There was also the report that someone had seen the kid fall out of the thing. *Also uncofirmed and proven false. At the end, when they found the baloon, therewas no "box" attached. Harry K The balloon, complete with box was shown repeatedly on television. It was never alleged by anybody that the kid was in the envelope. He had supposedly been yelled at previously for playing inside the box under the balloon. Oh, look! http://images.smh.com.au/2009/10/16/...boy-presser-42... ...and here's a picture of the balloon as it landed, with the box still attached to the bottom: http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...11x..jpg-Hideq... - Show quoted text - Better look again. *That is not a "box", it is part of the balloon. News reports all day were full of "in" the baloon and you must have missed the shots of the cops frantically slashing at it looking for the kid. The "box" report was of someone sayting the saw a 'box' or 'car' _suspended_ from the baloon. Harry K It is a box, and if you look around I'm pretty sure you can find photos or video showing it in detail with the door open and closed. It was intended for cameras and weather instruments, not human passengers. It was big enough for a small kid to get inside. Right. That's why the thing looked like a mushroom. *The stem was the box. * There's not a lot of point to building a balloon that won't carry a payload. *If that's all you want, you can buy one fully made at the supermarket. The cops slashed the balloon because the wind was catching it and they wanted to make sure it stayed right where it was. Oh, yeah. *That was why. * The balloon wasn't empty, it still had helium, almost enough to fly since until a littel while earlier it was flying, so letting out the helium kept the wind from taking it away.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Try again. *STandard instrumentation on such baloons is suspended _below_ it, not _in_ it. I listened to the entire thing and the 'box discussion was proven invalid. IIANM it was even mentioned in summaries at the end of the 'action" It is amazing how people can get two different 'facts' from the same show, one wrong, one right and I am on the right side. Even the construction of your 'box' shows it wasn't. *Clearly covered with the same stuff as the baloon and thus too flimsy to hold _anything_ heavier than a few pounds and that would ahve to be spread out. Harry K Oh, damn! Looks like you are COMPLETELY WRONG! http://fwnextweb1.fortwayne.com/ns/e...ent/uploads/20... The box was described after the fact as being made of very lightweight panels taped together that would not have been strong enough to hold the boy while airborne. It was in fact, intended to carry instruments that did not weigh very much. No one knew any of this, or even the size and carrying capacity of the balloon itself until after the fact. Pretty hard to judge the size of it when it was a tiny dot in the sky with nothing next to it for comparison. All they had to go on was what was reported BY THE FAMILY, who said they thought the booy was in the balloon and had somehow launched himself. That is the sum total of what was known until much later. When the balloon first landed and the boy was not in the box, it was feared that he had fallen out. Hindsight, 20/20, etc...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here, I did your work for you: "Authorities began to fear the worst after reports surfaced that a box possibly carrying Falcon may have fallen off the balloon. A Weld County Sheriff's deputy had said he saw an object fall off the balloon somewhere over Platteville, Colorado, which is in the search area. There was no box attached when the balloon landed at 1:35 p.m" Source http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/15/col...oon/index.html As I pointed out before. *The report of a box attached was unconfirmed, daddy did not say yea or nay and there was no box when it landed. As for them slashing at it to deflate it - try again. *It was already on the ground and wasn't going anywhere. *It was a wild attack trying to find the kid INSIDE the baloon. I watched the whole thing almost from the beginning and the report of the kid perhaps being in a 'box' was already discounted long before the thing landed. The baloon was constructed to resemble a flying saucer and was a pretty good immitation of one in an early Sci Fi film. Harry K I have alreadey posted several links to photographs clearly showing the box under the envelope, and even a pictuer with the door to the box hanging open.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - we can trade cites back and forth all day and aren't going to convince anyone. *The difference is that I know I am right because I listened to it as it happened. *You appear to be monday morning quarterbacking. I watched it on live TV, dopey. And I don't have to convince "anyone", because you are the only dunderhead here who doesn't know that the thing hanging UNDER the balLoon is a place for small cargo. I watched it on live TV too as it happened. * And from everything that I heard it was never assumed that the boy was inside the helium filled balloon itself. * There was plenty of discussion about a box beneath the balloon, even reports that some people had seen something fall off the balloon and the possibility that was the box seperating. Without knowing the exact contruction of the balloon and given the stories being told by the parents and the other children, I don't think it would have been reasonable for anyone to conclude the story was bogus because the boy couldn't be breathing helium. I couldn't bring up your first cite - on dial-up and it wouldn't load. * That is not anyone's problem but yours. Second one didn't show anything attached or any door. No, that thing on the bottom is not a 'box'. Harry K I don't generally call people trolls, but you are either a troll or mentally damaged. Those are the only optionsd left. See ya!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, then you are stuck with why they were frantically searching for him inside it at the end. I sure would like to see a cite (I can't find one) on what the searchers had (or have) to say on the subject. Harry K |
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On Mar 20, 8:39*am, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:21:46 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 20, 5:50*am, wrote: On Mar 20, 8:35*am, wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:56:09 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 19, 2:33*pm, wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:17:40 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 19, 7:36*am, wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:15:05 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 19, 3:43*am, mm wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:25:29 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:24:06 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 18, 5:25*pm, wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:20:08 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Mar 18, 7:41*am, wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: Really OT but on subject of press 'buying into stories'. *Balloon Boy is a fine example. *They bought the story of the kid being in there and that went on for hours and hours. *Not once, not nobody, even mentioned that had the kid been in there he was dead. *You cannot breath a helium atmosphere and live. I don't recall that anyone ever reported that he was inside the helium filled envelope. There was a small "box" on the underside. Only one of the kids at the beginning, daddy and mommy a couple times. *The original 911 call was 'kid in the baloon' No, there was no 'box' attached. *There was one unconfirmed report that someone had "seen" one but Daddy never confirmed nor denied that there was one. *There was also the report that someone had seen the kid fall out of the thing. *Also uncofirmed and proven false. At the end, when they found the baloon, therewas no "box" attached. Harry K The balloon, complete with box was shown repeatedly on television. It was never alleged by anybody that the kid was in the envelope. He had supposedly been yelled at previously for playing inside the box under the balloon. Oh, look! http://images.smh.com.au/2009/10/16/...boy-presser-42... ...and here's a picture of the balloon as it landed, with the box still attached to the bottom: http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...411x.jpg-Hideq... - Show quoted text - Better look again. *That is not a "box", it is part of the balloon. News reports all day were full of "in" the baloon and you must have missed the shots of the cops frantically slashing at it looking for the kid. The "box" report was of someone sayting the saw a 'box' or 'car' _suspended_ from the baloon. Harry K It is a box, and if you look around I'm pretty sure you can find photos or video showing it in detail with the door open and closed. It was intended for cameras and weather instruments, not human passengers. It was big enough for a small kid to get inside. Right. That's why the thing looked like a mushroom. *The stem was the box. * There's not a lot of point to building a balloon that won't carry a payload. *If that's all you want, you can buy one fully made at the supermarket. The cops slashed the balloon because the wind was catching it and they wanted to make sure it stayed right where it was. Oh, yeah. *That was why. * The balloon wasn't empty, it still had helium, almost enough to fly since until a littel while earlier it was flying, so letting out the helium kept the wind from taking it away.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Try again. *STandard instrumentation on such baloons is suspended _below_ it, not _in_ it. I listened to the entire thing and the 'box discussion was proven invalid. IIANM it was even mentioned in summaries at the end of the 'action" It is amazing how people can get two different 'facts' from the same show, one wrong, one right and I am on the right side. Even the construction of your 'box' shows it wasn't. *Clearly covered with the same stuff as the baloon and thus too flimsy to hold _anything_ heavier than a few pounds and that would ahve to be spread out. Harry K Oh, damn! Looks like you are COMPLETELY WRONG! http://fwnextweb1.fortwayne.com/ns/e...ent/uploads/20... The box was described after the fact as being made of very lightweight panels taped together that would not have been strong enough to hold the boy while airborne. It was in fact, intended to carry instruments that did not weigh very much. No one knew any of this, or even the size and carrying capacity of the balloon itself until after the fact. Pretty hard to judge the size of it when it was a tiny dot in the sky with nothing next to it for comparison. All they had to go on was what was reported BY THE FAMILY, who said they thought the booy was in the balloon and had somehow launched himself. That is the sum total of what was known until much later. When the balloon first landed and the boy was not in the box, it was feared that he had fallen out. Hindsight, 20/20, etc...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here, I did your work for you: "Authorities began to fear the worst after reports surfaced that a box possibly carrying Falcon may have fallen off the balloon. A Weld County Sheriff's deputy had said he saw an object fall off the balloon somewhere over Platteville, Colorado, which is in the search area. There was no box attached when the balloon landed at 1:35 p.m" Source http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/15/col...oon/index.html As I pointed out before. *The report of a box attached was unconfirmed, daddy did not say yea or nay and there was no box when it landed. As for them slashing at it to deflate it - try again. *It was already on the ground and wasn't going anywhere. *It was a wild attack trying to find the kid INSIDE the baloon. I watched the whole thing almost from the beginning and the report of the kid perhaps being in a 'box' was already discounted long before the thing landed. The baloon was constructed to resemble a flying saucer and was a pretty good immitation of one in an early Sci Fi film. Harry K I have alreadey posted several links to photographs clearly showing the box under the envelope, and even a pictuer with the door to the box hanging open.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - we can trade cites back and forth all day and aren't going to convince anyone. *The difference is that I know I am right because I listened to it as it happened. *You appear to be monday morning quarterbacking. I watched it on live TV, dopey. And I don't have to convince "anyone", because you are the only dunderhead here who doesn't know that the thing hanging UNDER the balLoon is a place for small cargo. I watched it on live TV too as it happened. * And from everything that I heard it was never assumed that the boy was inside the helium filled balloon itself. * There was plenty of discussion about a box beneath the balloon, even reports that some people had seen something fall off the balloon and the possibility that was the box seperating. Without knowing the exact contruction of the balloon and given the stories being told by the parents and the other children, I don't think it would have been reasonable for anyone to conclude the story was bogus because the boy couldn't be breathing helium. I couldn't bring up your first cite - on dial-up and it wouldn't load. * That is not anyone's problem but yours. Second one didn't show anything attached or any door. No, that thing on the bottom is not a 'box'. Harry K I don't generally call people trolls, but you are either a troll or mentally damaged. Those are the only optionsd left. See ya!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, then you are stuck with why they were frantically searching for him inside it at the end. I sure would like to see a cite (I can't find one) on what the searchers had (or have) to say on the subject. Harry K What cite was that? I provided links PHOTOGRAPHS of the box, including a phot with the door open. You claim something that NO ONE else claims, and you say you base it on listening to the radio. Sorry, but "troll" fits you like a glove on this subject. Only every reporter during the situation kept repeating the "in the baloon"...and yes, they _may_ have been referign to in a box. Unlike you, I am open to changing my mind when and if proof is provided. I provided one cite that said "there was not box attached". I think it was CL who had a post with two cites, one worked, one didnt'. Beging on dial-up I usually do not go to links. If you provide the one with the "door open' again (if it was yours) I will try it. No, i am not a troll. I am seeing an honest difference of opinion on which one side (me) is willing to listen to the other side, your side is not. Harry K |
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