Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

Thanks,

Sam

On Feb 3, 7:45*pm, Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

Thanks,

Sam

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In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

True. The National Electrical Code permits putting 15A outlets on 20A
circuits, but not the other way around.

On Feb 3, 9:44*pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

True. The National Electrical Code permits putting 15A outlets on 20A
circuits, but not the other way around.


I'm assuming it's OK to put the circuit in question on a 15A GFCI
breaker. That would solve the problem.

"Mikepier" wrote in message
...
On Feb 3, 9:44 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Sam Takoy
wrote:
Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

True. The National Electrical Code permits putting 15A outlets on 20A
circuits, but not the other way around.


I'm assuming it's OK to put the circuit in question on a 15A GFCI
breaker. That would solve the problem.

He still can't put a 20 amp receptacle on it.

"Sam Takoy" wrote in message
Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a 20amp
circuit. True or false?


Yes a 20 amp outlet GFCI or regular would need to be on a 20 amp circuit.
This would be an outlet with an additional slot for a sideways prong.

On Feb 4, 7:19*am, "RBM" wrote:
"Mikepier" wrote in message

...
On Feb 3, 9:44 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article , Sam Takoy
wrote:
Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

True. The National Electrical Code permits putting 15A outlets on 20A
circuits, but not the other way around.

I'm assuming it's OK to put the circuit in question on a 15A GFCI
breaker. That would solve the problem.

He still can't put a 20 amp receptacle on it.

No, but I think the OP's problem is he wants a certain outlet which is
on a 15A circuit to be GFI protected. If he did not want to re-run the
whole circuit to be 20A, he could just simply install a 15A GFI
breaker.

"Mikepier" wrote in message
...
On Feb 4, 7:19 am, "RBM" wrote:
"Mikepier" wrote in message

...
On Feb 3, 9:44 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article , Sam Takoy
wrote:
Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

True. The National Electrical Code permits putting 15A outlets on 20A
circuits, but not the other way around.

I'm assuming it's OK to put the circuit in question on a 15A GFCI
breaker. That would solve the problem.

He still can't put a 20 amp receptacle on it.

No, but I think the OP's problem is he wants a certain outlet which is
on a 15A circuit to be GFI protected. If he did not want to re-run the
whole circuit to be 20A, he could just simply install a 15A GFI
breaker.

You may be correct, but sometimes people want to use 20 amp devices because
their built "stronger". There is no reason that the OP can't install a 15
amp GFCI outlet on the circuit.

Mikepier wrote the following:
On Feb 4, 7:19 am, "RBM" wrote:

"Mikepier" wrote in message

...
On Feb 3, 9:44 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:


In article , Sam Takoy
wrote:

Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

True. The National Electrical Code permits putting 15A outlets on 20A
circuits, but not the other way around.

I'm assuming it's OK to put the circuit in question on a 15A GFCI
breaker. That would solve the problem.

He still can't put a 20 amp receptacle on it.


No, but I think the OP's problem is he wants a certain outlet which is
on a 15A circuit to be GFI protected. If he did not want to re-run the
whole circuit to be 20A, he could just simply install a 15A GFI
breaker.


The OP (me) has a 20 amp GFCI breaker for the garage circuit in the
breaker box.
The overload tripping the GFCI breaker is so infrequent that it is hard
to pin down what happened to cause the breaker to trip.
Maybe the refrigerator and freezer happen to be running at the same time
that I use the garage door opener, but if it did, I would know
immediately since I wouldn't be able to close the door. . Nothing else
in the garage is running all the time nor is anything plugged in that
automatically starts and stops, other than the refrigerator and the
freezer. Absent that knowledge, I would just like to be able to reset
the circuit without having to make a trip to the basement to reset the
breaker .
I already have a solution to warn me when the breaker has tripped. The
garage door wired opener with the red light being moved to inside the
abode, as mentioned in an earlier thread.
I think I may buy a power strip for each of the three outlets in the
garage, and when the circuit is overloaded, the tripped breaker in that
power strip will let me know where the problem is.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

OK, it turns out that I misunderstood what my contractor was telling me.

According to him, in a new work bathroom, all circuits must be 20amp and
GFCI. So I'm not allowed to run a 15 amp circuit there. True or false?

"Sam Takoy" wrote in message
OK, it turns out that I misunderstood what my contractor was telling me.

According to him, in a new work bathroom, all circuits must be 20amp and
GFCI. So I'm not allowed to run a 15 amp circuit there. True or false?

True. And it needs to be a separate 20 amp circuit for just the bathroom.

That is so you can use a hair blow dryer and not trip the breaker...

If you have other power hogs in there like an electric heater, might want
additional circuits. The idea is you can use the things in your bathroom
without breakers tripping. Makes life more enjoyable! You use your bathroom
everyday...

In article , "Bill" wrote:

"Sam Takoy" wrote in message
OK, it turns out that I misunderstood what my contractor was telling me.

According to him, in a new work bathroom, all circuits must be 20amp and
GFCI. So I'm not allowed to run a 15 amp circuit there. True or false?

True.

False.

2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.

And it needs to be a separate 20 amp circuit for just the bathroom.

Not quite correct.

That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.

Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Bill" wrote:
"Sam Takoy" wrote in message
OK, it turns out that I misunderstood what my contractor was telling me.

According to him, in a new work bathroom, all circuits must be 20amp and
GFCI. So I'm not allowed to run a 15 amp circuit there. True or false?
True.

False.

2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.

And it needs to be a separate 20 amp circuit for just the bathroom.

Not quite correct.

That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.

Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.

Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.

On Feb 4, 6:48*pm, willshak wrote:
Mikepier wrote the following:





On Feb 4, 7:19 am, "RBM" wrote:

"Mikepier" wrote in message

....
On Feb 3, 9:44 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article , Sam Takoy
wrote:

Hi,

My contractor told me that by code a 20amp GFCI outlet must be on a
20amp circuit. True or false?

True. The National Electrical Code permits putting 15A outlets on 20A
circuits, but not the other way around.

I'm assuming it's OK to put the circuit in question on a 15A GFCI
breaker. That would solve the problem.

He still can't put a 20 amp receptacle on it.

No, but I think the OP's problem is he wants a certain outlet which is
on a 15A circuit to be GFI protected. If he did not want to re-run the
whole circuit to be 20A, he could just simply install a 15A GFI
breaker.

The OP (me) has a 20 amp GFCI breaker for the garage circuit in the
breaker box.
The overload tripping the GFCI breaker is so infrequent that it is hard
to pin down what happened to cause the breaker to trip.
Maybe the refrigerator and freezer happen to be running at the same time
that I use the garage door opener, but if it did, I would know
immediately since I wouldn't be able to close the door. *. Nothing else
in the garage is running all the time nor is anything plugged in that
automatically starts and stops, other than the refrigerator and the
freezer. Absent that knowledge, I would just like to be able to reset
the circuit without having to make a trip to the basement to reset the
breaker .
I already have a solution to warn me when the breaker has tripped. The
garage door wired opener with the red light being moved to inside the
abode, as mentioned in an earlier thread.
I think I may buy a power strip for each of the three outlets in the
garage, and when the circuit is overloaded, the tripped breaker in that
power strip will let me know where the problem is.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That approach of finding the overload will work IF it happens that a
major short or overload of some kind is happening at whatever happens
to be plugged into the one particular strip that may trip. But
it's not going to tell you if the sum total of ALL the loads
everywhere on the circuit is just exceeding 20 amps. To do that with
your approach, you'd have to have a 20 amp power strip and plug ALL
the loads into the one strip.

As I suggested previously, I'd start by getting a Kill-a-Watt or an
amp meter and measuring what each of the various loads on that circuit
is pulling to determine if any one is out of range. Also, again, if
it's the STARTING current from the fridge that's tripping it, changing
the breaker to a delay type may solve the problem. And if it's one
appliance, like a freezer that is pulling way too much, the solution
may be to replace it with a new one which could use $100 or more a
year LESS electricity and pay for itself.

On Feb 8, 7:17*am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.

Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.

This is just an interesting story about the differences between local
tax codes and NEC Codes - which I know are in no way related.

" Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom": "An area including a
basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub, or a
shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100] "

When I moved into my house, it was listed as having 1.5 baths and I
was taxed as having 1.5 baths. The 1/2 bath in the basement had a
toilet and a shower but no sink.

My town's tax code considers any room with 2 fixtures to be a half-
bath, more than 2 to be a full bath - regardless of what the fixtures
are.

So, per the NEC, I guess that room wasn't a bathroom but per my town
it was.

"I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room"."

I don't know if you were being serious or not, so...

In many parts of our fair country, that first floor room with the sink
and toilet is often referred to as a "powder room" as in the room you
go to right after you say "Excuse me, I'm going to powder my nose."

In article , DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Feb 8, 7:17=A0am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Sam Takoy samta...=
wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit t=
o supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A c=
ircuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.

Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.

This is just an interesting story about the differences between local
tax codes and NEC Codes - which I know are in no way related.

" Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom": "An area including a
basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub, or a
shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100] "

When I moved into my house, it was listed as having 1.5 baths and I
was taxed as having 1.5 baths. The 1/2 bath in the basement had a
toilet and a shower but no sink.

My town's tax code considers any room with 2 fixtures to be a half-
bath, more than 2 to be a full bath - regardless of what the fixtures
are.

So, per the NEC, I guess that room wasn't a bathroom but per my town
it was.

And whether it's a bathroom for the purposes of your local electrical code is
a completely separate question from whether it's a bathroom for the purposes
of your property tax assessment.

"I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room"."

I don't know if you were being serious or not, so...

Of course I was being serious. I know what *I* mean by that phrase, but the
only thing that's relevant here is what *he* means by it. And since he didn't
explain that, there's no way to know. We can guess, but we can't know.

In many parts of our fair country, that first floor room with the sink
and toilet is often referred to as a "powder room" as in the room you
go to right after you say "Excuse me, I'm going to powder my nose."

And that, of course, is a bathroom as defined by the NEC. But that still
doesn't tell us what the OP meant by that phrase.

Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.
Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.


OK, let me belabor this point. There is a toilet and a sink in an area
of 7 sq. ft. There is no place to plug in a radiator. The only place to
put the outlet is in the same electrical box as the light switch. The
light is already wired with 14/2 and the ceiling is closed.

I can break the code in one of three ways:
1. Put two circuits in one electrical box (15amp and 20amp)
2. Have only one 20 amp circuit with 14/2 wire running to the light
3. Use a 15amp GFCI outlet.

I'm thinking of going for #3.

In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Sam Takoy
wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to
supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A
circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.
Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a
tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.


OK, let me belabor this point. There is a toilet and a sink in an area
of 7 sq. ft.

Meets the NEC definition of a bathroom.

There is no place to plug in a radiator.

Huh? Radiator?

The only place to
put the outlet is in the same electrical box as the light switch.

Oh, come on, now. Surely there's some place where you can add a new outlet on
a separate 20A circuit. Use your imagination.

The light is already wired with 14/2 and the ceiling is closed.

I can break the code in one of three ways:
1. Put two circuits in one electrical box (15amp and 20amp)

That's not a violation as far as I am aware.

2. Have only one 20 amp circuit with 14/2 wire running to the light
3. Use a 15amp GFCI outlet.

I'm thinking of going for #3.

On Feb 8, 12:03*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:18:53 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03

wrote:
When I moved into my house, it was listed as having 1.5 baths and I
was taxed as having 1.5 baths. The 1/2 bath in the basement had a
toilet and a shower but no sink.

My town's tax code considers any room with 2 fixtures to be a half-
bath, more than 2 to be a full bath - regardless of what the fixtures
are.

So, per the NEC, I guess that room wasn't a bathroom but per my town
it was.

If there was a sink right outside the door of that room it would still
be considered a bathroom because the code says "area". It is not
uncommon in McMansions to have a sink and vanity outside the room
where the toilet and shower is. (similar to what you see in a hotel)
The whole area is the bathroom.

Trust me, this house is a far cry from a McMansion!

The only sink in the "area" was a utility sink on the opposite side of
the basement. You'd have to consider the whole basement as the
bathroom for the NEC to consider that room a bathroom.

Now, while I was replacing the toilet and shower I did remove the
bathroom walls, so for a short period of time that whole section of
the basement was one room, which included the utility sink, so I guess
it was a bathroom per the NEC while the walls were down.

I wonder if they care that the "bathroom" had a fridge, furnace,
washer, dryer, storage shelves, TV, ironing board, etc. etc. etc. in
it. ;-)

On Feb 8, 11:34*am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , DerbyDad03 wrote:



On Feb 8, 7:17=A0am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Sam Takoy samta....=
wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit t=
o supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A c=
ircuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.

Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.

This is just an interesting story about the differences between local
tax codes and NEC Codes - which I know are in no way related.

" Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom": *"An area including a
basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub, or a
shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100] "

When I moved into my house, it was listed as having 1.5 baths and I
was taxed as having 1.5 baths. The 1/2 bath in the basement had a
toilet and a shower but no sink.

My town's tax code considers any room with 2 fixtures to be a half-
bath, more than 2 to be a full bath - regardless of what the fixtures
are.

So, per the NEC, I guess that room wasn't a bathroom but per my town
it was.

And whether it's a bathroom for the purposes of your local electrical code is
a completely separate question from whether it's a bathroom for the purposes
of your property tax assessment.

"I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room"."

I don't know if you were being serious or not, so...


Of course I was being serious. I know what *I* mean by that phrase, but the
only thing that's relevant here is what *he* means by it. And since he didn't
explain that, there's no way to know. We can guess, but we can't know.

Doug,

I didn't mean anything by my comment. I don't know if every locale
uses the same terminology for that type of room.

Where I grew up we ate heros and drank soda. Where I live now, it's
subs and pop.

I was just trying to help.

In many parts of our fair country, that first floor room with the sink
and toilet is often referred to as a "powder room" as in the room you
go to right after you say "Excuse me, I'm going to powder my nose."

And that, of course, is a bathroom as defined by the NEC. But that still
doesn't tell us what the OP meant by that phrase.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Feb 8, 11:34*am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
And that, of course, is a bathroom as defined by the NEC. But that still
doesn't tell us what the OP meant by that phrase.

What *else* would he mean?

Does he need to explain "kitchen" or "bedroom" to you as well?

In article , DerbyDad03 wrote:

Doug,

I didn't mean anything by my comment. I don't know if every locale
uses the same terminology for that type of room.

Where I grew up we ate heros and drank soda. Where I live now, it's
subs and pop.

I was just trying to help.

No offense taken; I'm sorry I gave the impression there was.

In article , wrote:
On Feb 8, 11:34=A0am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
And that, of course, is a bathroom as defined by the NEC. But that still
doesn't tell us what the OP meant by that phrase.

What *else* would he mean?

"Powder room" is not defined in the NEC, so, yes, an explanation of what the
OP means by that term is necessary in order to answer his question about what
parts of the NEC might apply to it.

On Feb 8, 2:31*pm, wrote:
On Feb 8, 11:34*am, (Doug Miller) wrote:

And that, of course, is a bathroom as defined by the NEC. But that still
doesn't tell us what the OP meant by that phrase.

What *else* would he mean?

Does he need to explain "kitchen" or "bedroom" to you as well?

He could have meant this...

http://www.powderrm.com/

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:57:25 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

[snip]

There is no place to plug in a radiator.

uh? Radiator?

An electric heater that looks like a radiator? These are often
expensive and claim to put out more heat than they possibly can.

[snip]

On Feb 8, 1:16*pm, Sam Takoy wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.
Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.

OK, let me belabor this point. There is a toilet and a sink in an area
of 7 sq. ft. There is no place to plug in a radiator. The only place to
put the outlet is in the same electrical box as the light switch. The
light is already wired with 14/2 and the ceiling is closed.

I can break the code in one of three ways:
1. Put two circuits in one electrical box (15amp and 20amp)
2. Have only one 20 amp circuit with 14/2 wire running to the light
3. Use a 15amp GFCI outlet.

I'm thinking of going for #3.

"There is a toilet and a sink in an area of 7 sq. ft. "

Wow!

I've got a tiny sink in my basement bathroom - 15" x 12", which 1.25
sq ft.

My toilet is 31" x 18" which is 3.875 sq ft.

That means you have 7 - (3.875 + 1.25) = 1.875 sq ft of "open space"
left.

Do you have to pull your pants up in the hallway?

On Feb 8, 11:18*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Feb 8, 7:17*am, (Doug Miller) wrote:



In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.

Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.

This is just an interesting story about the differences between local
tax codes and NEC Codes - which I know are in no way related.

" Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom": *"An area including a
basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub, or a
shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100] "

When I moved into my house, it was listed as having 1.5 baths and I
was taxed as having 1.5 baths. The 1/2 bath in the basement had a
toilet and a shower but no sink.


That is not a proper bathroom either...

Plumbing code requires wherever a toilet is installed a sink is also
required...


My town's tax code considers any room with 2 fixtures to be a half-
bath, more than 2 to be a full bath - regardless of what the fixtures
are.

So, per the NEC, I guess that room wasn't a bathroom but per my town
it was.

"I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room"."

I don't know if you were being serious or not, so...

In many parts of our fair country, that first floor room with the sink
and toilet is often referred to as a "powder room" as in the room you
go to right after you say "Excuse me, I'm going to powder my nose."


~~ Evan

On Feb 20, 5:37*pm, Evan wrote:
On Feb 8, 11:18*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:





On Feb 8, 7:17*am, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article , Sam Takoy wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
2008 NEC, Article 210.11(C)(3) requires a minimum of one 20A circuit to supply
bathroom receptacles -- but it does not prohibit installation of 15A circuits
in addition to the required 20A circuit.
[...]
That one 20A circuit is permitted to supply receptacles in *multiple*
bathrooms. It may not supply receptacles anywhere else, but it it *not*
required to have one 20A circuit *per bathroom*.

Do the same rules apply to first floor powder rooms?

I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room".

Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom":
"An area including a basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub,
or a shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100]

NEC rules applying to bathrooms apply to any room meeting that definition,
regardless of what you call it, or what floor it's on.

This is just an interesting story about the differences between local
tax codes and NEC Codes - which I know are in no way related.

" Here's what the NEC means by "bathroom": *"An area including a
basin with one or more of the following: a toilet, a tub, or a
shower." [2008 NEC, Article 100] "

When I moved into my house, it was listed as having 1.5 baths and I
was taxed as having 1.5 baths. The 1/2 bath in the basement had a
toilet and a shower but no sink.

That is not a proper bathroom either...

Plumbing code requires wherever a toilet is installed a sink is also
required...

My town's tax code considers any room with 2 fixtures to be a half-
bath, more than 2 to be a full bath - regardless of what the fixtures
are.

So, per the NEC, I guess that room wasn't a bathroom but per my town
it was.

"I have no idea what you mean by a "powder room"."

I don't know if you were being serious or not, so...

In many parts of our fair country, that first floor room with the sink
and toilet is often referred to as a "powder room" as in the room you
go to right after you say "Excuse me, I'm going to powder my nose."

~~ Evan- Hide quoted text -

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"That is not a proper bathroom either"

Tell that to my town...

Once again it shows that local assessment codes have nothing to do
with NEC/plumbing/other codes.

As per my town, any 2 fixtures is a 1/2 bath, even if by plumbing code
it's not a "proper bath".