Your usual vehicle is a long van?



"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
My long wheelbase panel van, it's an event. I live closer to
the Victor store, anyhow. It's only a couple miles to
Lowe's.

To answer your question, though. Five or so miles. I try to
plan trips ahead of time, and thier miserable parking lot is
a real nonplusser. Same with Goodwill ABVI in Victor. Too
many tight turns.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...
I have tried it. It's a non-event.

How far out of your way would you be willing to drive, in
order to avoid
having to turn your steering wheel in certain ways because
of the way a
parking lot was designed?


"Stormin Mormon" wrote
in message
...
Try it sometime.... Jefferson Road, just east of E.
Henrietta Road. If my memory is working, as to where the

notbob wrote:
On 2009-12-17, dpb wrote:

The point is to have a larger pilot-hole in softer woods than hardwood
to minimize the effort of installation but to ensure a full bite which
can be marginal if use a full root diameter for pilot, particularly in
softwoods that tend often to "crumble".

Hmmm....

Seems like it would be the opposite, the softer wood requiring a

Mea culpa...yes, that was inadvertent swap of the intent I didn't
catch... sorry.

--

J. Clarke wrote:
dpb wrote:
....

I'd still wager there is some information at US FPL but I've not taken
time to search for it.

It's in "Wood As An Engineering Material", Page 7-11. What they say is:
....

Indeed...thanks for saving me the effort...

Now if I just hadn't made the swap of sense in the relative sizes...

--

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:19:09 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:

It's in "Wood As An Engineering Material", Page 7-11. What they say
is:

"For low-density softwoods, such as the cedars and white pines, 40%
to 70% of the shank diameter; for Douglas-fir and Southern Pine, 60%
to 75%; and for dense hardwoods, such
as oaks, 65% to 85%. The smaller percentage in each range applies to
lag screws of the smaller diameters and the larger percentage to lag
screws of larger diameters."

Excellent reference, J. Thank you for posting that, it is very much
appreciated!

The lag bolt which snapped off had an average shank diameter of 0.182".
Sixty percent of this value is 0.1092, while seventy five percent of this
value is 0.1365, which puts a pilot bit of 1/8" right in the middle.

Jon



What do you mean by "shank diameter"?

Machinery's Handbook lists the "body" or "shoulder" diameter of a 1/4"
lag bolt as between .237" and .260". This is the area that is not
threaded.

The "root diameter" is listed as .173". This is the diameter of the
remaining cylinder after the threads are formed.



(American National Standard Square Lag Screws - ANSI/ASME
B18.2.1-1996)





Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

Tom Watson wrote:
"Jon Danniken" wrote:

The lag bolt which snapped off had an average shank diameter of
0.182". Sixty percent of this value is 0.1092, while seventy five
percent of this value is 0.1365, which puts a pilot bit of 1/8"
right in the middle.

Jon



What do you mean by "shank diameter"?

Machinery's Handbook lists the "body" or "shoulder" diameter of a 1/4"
lag bolt as between .237" and .260". This is the area that is not
threaded.

The "root diameter" is listed as .173". This is the diameter of the
remaining cylinder after the threads are formed.

(American National Standard Square Lag Screws - ANSI/ASME
B18.2.1-1996)

Thanks Tom, I should have said the root diameter.

Jon

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

It's in "Wood As An Engineering Material", Page 7-11. What they say is:

"For low-density softwoods, such as the cedars and white pines, 40% to 70%
of the shank diameter; for Douglas-fir and Southern Pine, 60% to 75%; and
for dense hardwoods, such
as oaks, 65% to 85%. The smaller percentage in each range applies to lag
screws of the smaller diameters and the larger percentage to lag screws of
larger diameters."


I wonder if that material was written in modern years or 30 plus. I see lag
screw failures galore.

"Jon Danniken" wrote in message
...
J. Clarke wrote:

It's in "Wood As An Engineering Material", Page 7-11. What they say
is:

"For low-density softwoods, such as the cedars and white pines, 40%
to 70% of the shank diameter; for Douglas-fir and Southern Pine, 60%
to 75%; and for dense hardwoods, such
as oaks, 65% to 85%. The smaller percentage in each range applies to
lag screws of the smaller diameters and the larger percentage to lag
screws of larger diameters."

Excellent reference, J. Thank you for posting that, it is very much
appreciated!

The lag bolt which snapped off had an average shank diameter of 0.182".
Sixty percent of this value is 0.1092, while seventy five percent of this
value is 0.1365, which puts a pilot bit of 1/8" right in the middle.

Jon


BUT Jon,,,,,, While it is a kewl reference that agrees with what you were
using as a pilot hole, how did that work out for you?

The information could be out dated for readily available fasteners today.
If might be a new publication using old data.

"Jon Danniken" wrote:

A quality lag bolt was purchased (stainless steel, US made) from a
fastener store.

The US has been out of the general fastener business for decades.

Had a couple of customers who were fastener manufacturers go belly up
while I was still back in Cleveland, a town that was, at one time, a
major fastener manufacturing center.

Most of the S/S comes in from India these days.

Lew

Leon wrote:
"Jon Danniken" wrote:
J. Clarke wrote:

It's in "Wood As An Engineering Material", Page 7-11. What they say
is:

"For low-density softwoods, such as the cedars and white pines, 40%
to 70% of the shank diameter; for Douglas-fir and Southern Pine, 60%
to 75%; and for dense hardwoods, such
as oaks, 65% to 85%. The smaller percentage in each range applies to
lag screws of the smaller diameters and the larger percentage to lag
screws of larger diameters."

Excellent reference, J. Thank you for posting that, it is very much
appreciated!

The lag bolt which snapped off had an average shank diameter of
0.182". Sixty percent of this value is 0.1092, while seventy five
percent of this value is 0.1365, which puts a pilot bit of 1/8"
right in the middle. Jon


BUT Jon,,,,,, While it is a kewl reference that agrees with what you
were using as a pilot hole, how did that work out for you?

It works out great, Leon, once I purchased lag bolts that weren't from the
bulk bin at Home Depot. The bolts are currently holding up a home-made
welded bracket, which in turn is holding up my bathroom sink.

The sink itself weighs maybe 20 or 30 pounds, so I tested the bracket by
holding myself up with it, and it didn't budge.

Jon

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
That could hurt. Let me guess, the Sargeant wasn't all that
impressed? And the NYC kid found out how to make the
Sargeant spit blood?

--
Got to hand it to him though, the kid was tough. It took about three weeks
for the drill sargents (four of them ganged up on him) to entirely kick the
"bad ass" attitude out of him. By that time though, they had already decided
he wasn't going to graduate. They made his life hell for the entire cycle.
Just before graduation, they sent him home. He was a source of entertainment
though. Everyone kept track of "the adventures of Lewis". Most memorable was
when we went to the gas chamber. Lewis had been given (intentionally) a
defective mask. Upon entering the chamber, he started to gag, threw off his
mask and ran for the door. The drill sargent kicked his mask into the far
corner as another one, just outside the door, grabbed him and through him
back in. They made him crawl around in there until he found his mask. When
he did, he picked it up and again ran out the door. Again he was thrown back
in, made to clear and seal his mask (which did not work). He did as he was
told and then ran out the door again. Again, he was thrown back in. The
drill sargent said "I didn't tell you to leave". He was made to stand there
for a minute when the drill sargent told him to take off his mask and get
out. Did I mention the 30 inch diameter oak just outside the door? Lewis, by
this time not being able to see, met that tree at full speed.

"CW" wrote in message
...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
That could hurt. Let me guess, the Sargeant wasn't all that
impressed? And the NYC kid found out how to make the
Sargeant spit blood?

--
Got to hand it to him though, the kid was tough. It took about three weeks
for the drill sargents (four of them ganged up on him) to entirely kick
the "bad ass" attitude out of him. By that time though, they had already
decided he wasn't going to graduate. They made his life hell for the
entire cycle. Just before graduation, they sent him home. He was a source
of entertainment though. Everyone kept track of "the adventures of Lewis".
Most memorable was when we went to the gas chamber. Lewis had been given
(intentionally) a defective mask. Upon entering the chamber, he started to
gag, threw off his mask and ran for the door. The drill sargent kicked his
mask into the far corner as another one, just outside the door, grabbed
him and through him back in. They made him crawl around in there until he
found his mask. When he did, he picked it up and again ran out the door.
Again he was thrown back in, made to clear and seal his mask (which did
not work). He did as he was told and then ran out the door again. Again,
he was thrown back in. The drill sargent said "I didn't tell you to
leave". He was made to stand there for a minute when the drill sargent
told him to take off his mask and get out. Did I mention the 30 inch
diameter oak just outside the door? Lewis, by this time not being able to
see, met that tree at full speed.


I know a kid who went through something similar. Apparently, they're allowed
a certain amount of time to phone family. Well, this kid was never
particularly polite to his mother, to put it mildly. This day on the phone,
he was being especially obnoxious with her. That was the first and last
mistake he made in the Marines, because his drill sergeant was standing
silently right behind him as he talked to mom. His mother told me later that
the kid was having "a rough time" in the Marines afterward. The sergeant
made sure of that in every way he could.

Leon wrote:
"Jon Danniken" wrote in message
...
J. Clarke wrote:

It's in "Wood As An Engineering Material", Page 7-11. What they say
is:

"For low-density softwoods, such as the cedars and white pines, 40%
to 70% of the shank diameter; for Douglas-fir and Southern Pine, 60%
to 75%; and for dense hardwoods, such
as oaks, 65% to 85%. The smaller percentage in each range applies to
lag screws of the smaller diameters and the larger percentage to lag
screws of larger diameters."

Excellent reference, J. Thank you for posting that, it is very much
appreciated!

The lag bolt which snapped off had an average shank diameter of
0.182". Sixty percent of this value is 0.1092, while seventy five
percent of this value is 0.1365, which puts a pilot bit of 1/8"
right in the middle.

Jon


BUT Jon,,,,,, While it is a kewl reference that agrees with what you
were using as a pilot hole, how did that work out for you?

The information could be out dated for readily available fasteners
today. If might be a new publication using old data.

The numbers are based on maximizing holding power, not making a crap
fastener survive being driven. They state the assumptions, which are 35,000
PSI yield and 77,000 PSI UTS, slightly higher than required for a Grade 1
bolt.

Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

It's in "Wood As An Engineering Material", Page 7-11. What they say
is:

"For low-density softwoods, such as the cedars and white pines, 40%
to 70% of the shank diameter; for Douglas-fir and Southern Pine, 60%
to 75%; and for dense hardwoods, such
as oaks, 65% to 85%. The smaller percentage in each range applies to
lag screws of the smaller diameters and the larger percentage to lag
screws of larger diameters."


I wonder if that material was written in modern years or 30 plus. I
see lag screw failures galore.

Are you saying that the properties of wood have changed so radically in the
last 30 years that lag screws hold differently in them now? Because the
recommendations are not about allowing you to use crap screws without
breaking them while driving, they are about sticking wood together so it
stays stuck.

In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

Be careful what you build with the fasteners you buy from the bulk bin at
Home Depot.

And their "bin" machine screws are Grade 2 not Grade 5... who uses
Grade 2 for anything?

Quite obviously, HD customers that don't know better. wry grin

In article ,
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Steve B" wrote in message
...


WTF is a "proly"?

New to Usenet, huh?


No. Just being a pain in the neck. :-)



We'll be sure to let you know _if_ you succeed.

In article m,
Steve wrote:
On 2009-12-16 08:53:25 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:

Got an actual hardware store in your town?

And Ace and TruValue don't count.

That depends on the store. I've got a couple of _very_good_ hardware
stores that happen to be part of the ACE co-op nearby. And a first
class one that joined up with TruValue. They've got people that -know-
what they're talking about, _and_ carry a lot of stuff that is not
the Ace/TruValue house label.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:43:56 -0600, Red Green
wrote:

krw wrote in
:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:44:49 -0600, Red Green
wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Dec 16, 10:54*am, "CW" wrote:
"Existential Angst" wrote in message

...
. Even the parking at HD is ill-thought out.
--

That varies from store to store. The one closest to me is quite
good as f
or
layout. What is a PIA is that parking spaces have been getting
smaller an
d
smaller.When you pull in to a parking spot, in a Subaru Impreza,
and have
to
be careful not to hit the car next to you with your door as you get
out, it's getting a bit tight. The spacing between rows is getting
smaller too
.
In my F250, I have to park out in "no mans land". I can see the day
when
it
will be impractical to park anything larger than a motorized
skateboard.

That also varies from store to store (they don't always own the
buildings or the land). When I lived in VT I rarely went into the
WallyWorld because the lot was crazy. HD shared the same lot but
that end wasn't as busy so was less of a human obstacle course.
Stores in NE OH had no such problems, nor do the ones here in AL.



HD shared the same lot

Sounds like Williston VT.

Is there another HD in VT? Didn't the Rutland HD close?

Would you like me to drive from NC to find out for you or do you want
Keithw to go from AL to check?

KeithW and krw are the same person. Well, as much as anyone at home
and work can be the same. ;-)

Store locator tab, nahhhhhh...

Too easy.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:22:17 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"krw" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:24:15 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
ting.com...
On 2009-12-16 08:53:25 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:

Got an actual hardware store in your town?

And Ace and TruValue don't count.



Why not?

A few of them might count, but the only resemblance of an Ace or TV to
a real hardware store is purely unintentional.


That really depends on how they're run by the individual owners. The one I
use is pretty remarkable.

I've been in two that were quite good (both in the Poughkeepsie NY
area). All others have been pretty unremarkable.

Steve wrote:

And Ace and TruValue don't count.

What does a purchasing co-op have to do with the quality of an
individual store?

Lew

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

Are you saying that the properties of wood have changed so radically in
the
last 30 years that lag screws hold differently in them now?

Well yes actually. Wood with wider growth rings as oppose to narrower more
compact gowth rings, which were more available many years back, may yield
different results today.

Because the
recommendations are not about allowing you to use crap screws without
breaking them while driving, they are about sticking wood together so it
stays stuck.

"krw" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:22:17 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"krw" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:24:15 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
sting.com...
On 2009-12-16 08:53:25 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:

Got an actual hardware store in your town?

And Ace and TruValue don't count.



Why not?

A few of them might count, but the only resemblance of an Ace or TV to
a real hardware store is purely unintentional.


That really depends on how they're run by the individual owners. The one I
use is pretty remarkable.

I've been in two that were quite good (both in the Poughkeepsie NY
area). All others have been pretty unremarkable.


A pretty high percentage of ALL small businesses fail, and it's not always
because of competition. Why should hardware stores be any different?

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:0009967d$0$2153
:


"Jon Danniken" wrote:

A quality lag bolt was purchased (stainless steel, US made) from a
fastener store.

The US has been out of the general fastener business for decades.

Had a couple of customers who were fastener manufacturers go belly up
while I was still back in Cleveland, a town that was, at one time, a
major fastener manufacturing center.

Most of the S/S comes in from India these days.

*******s!


Lew

Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

Are you saying that the properties of wood have changed so radically
in the
last 30 years that lag screws hold differently in them now?

Well yes actually. Wood with wider growth rings as oppose to
narrower more compact gowth rings, which were more available many
years back, may yield different results today.

Won't that be reflected in the density though?

Because the
recommendations are not about allowing you to use crap screws without
breaking them while driving, they are about sticking wood together
so it stays stuck.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:01:34 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"krw" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:22:17 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"krw" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:24:15 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
osting.com...
On 2009-12-16 08:53:25 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
said:

Got an actual hardware store in your town?

And Ace and TruValue don't count.



Why not?

A few of them might count, but the only resemblance of an Ace or TV to
a real hardware store is purely unintentional.


That really depends on how they're run by the individual owners. The one I
use is pretty remarkable.

I've been in two that were quite good (both in the Poughkeepsie NY
area). All others have been pretty unremarkable.


A pretty high percentage of ALL small businesses fail, and it's not always
because of competition. Why should hardware stores be any different?

Sure, but that's another issue. I was happy when HD came to town. It
made the local lumber yards (2) and Ace Hardware look like the pitiful
places they were (yes, a HD was nice in comparison). The three went
out of business shortly. Good riddance. AIUI two Lowes are opening
up in the area now. I much prefer Lowes, but shop at both.

"Red Green" wrote in message
Most of the S/S comes in from India these days.

*******s!


Lakshi Mittal controls 10% of the steel made in the world.
http://www.arcelormittal.com/

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

Are you saying that the properties of wood have changed so radically
in the
last 30 years that lag screws hold differently in them now?

Well yes actually. Wood with wider growth rings as oppose to
narrower more compact gowth rings, which were more available many
years back, may yield different results today.

Won't that be reflected in the density though?


Oh no.... not at all.

Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

Are you saying that the properties of wood have changed so
radically in the
last 30 years that lag screws hold differently in them now?

Well yes actually. Wood with wider growth rings as oppose to
narrower more compact gowth rings, which were more available many
years back, may yield different results today.

Won't that be reflected in the density though?


Oh no.... not at all.

You're sure?

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:18:00 -0800, evodawg
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

[...snip...]

Bar soap works well tooooo.

It does but has the property of attracting moisture, hence causing
rust, which on a 1/4" lag bolt probably won't ruin it...

I have a 1/2 gallon yogurt container I put a few wax toilet bowl
rings. I stick screws and bolts in that, keep a smaller old
prescription container filled for more "portable" use.

And on fine work, I might switch to paste wax because I can clean it
up easier.

It makes my cordless drill battery last much longer, and I don't twist
off lag bolts even when from Home Depot.

Jim

I hadn't thought of toilet bowl wax. Neat idea!

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jim Weisgram" wrote in
message ...


I have a 1/2 gallon yogurt container I put a few wax toilet
bowl
rings. I stick screws and bolts in that, keep a smaller old
prescription container filled for more "portable" use.

And on fine work, I might switch to paste wax because I can
clean it
up easier.

Jim Weisgram wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:18:00 -0800, evodawg
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

[...snip...]
Bar soap works well tooooo.

It does but has the property of attracting moisture, hence causing
rust, which on a 1/4" lag bolt probably won't ruin it...

I have a 1/2 gallon yogurt container I put a few wax toilet bowl
rings. I stick screws and bolts in that, keep a smaller old
prescription container filled for more "portable" use.

And on fine work, I might switch to paste wax because I can clean it
up easier.

It makes my cordless drill battery last much longer, and I don't twist
off lag bolts even when from Home Depot.

Jim

Saw wax is much the same thing in a tube, you push the disc inside
the tube to push out more wax. It's a little thicker than bowl wax
but does a very good job lubricating any drill bit or saw blade
used in wood or metal and it really helps with driving screws into
wood or metal especially if the threads have to cut their way in
metal.

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:
Jim Weisgram wrote:
And on fine work, I might switch to paste wax because I can clean it
up easier.

It makes my cordless drill battery last much longer, and I don't
twist off lag bolts even when from Home Depot.

Jim

Saw wax is much the same thing in a tube, you push the disc inside
the tube to push out more wax. It's a little thicker than bowl wax
but does a very good job lubricating any drill bit or saw blade
used in wood or metal and it really helps with driving screws into
wood or metal especially if the threads have to cut their way in
metal.

I keep a chunk of paraffin in the cupboard for just that purpose. Works
okay for the saw, too.

Jon

jaymelone the worthless SPAMMER wrote:
jaymelone had written this in response to
[ snip sucko spammers ]

Guys, just like you wouldn't buy a water heater from Home Depot, I
wouldn't recommend their hardware, either. The quality is
sub-standard and pricing is through the roof.

I'm opening a site online where you'll be able to find any fastener
in any material for any job. We'll also have some pretty cool
features to help you plan your projects and buy the right stuff, and
the right amount, too! We'll even help you contractors out there
engage with and grow your customer base. We have a lot in the works.

I'll write up a new post once the site is up and give you all the
address. I'd even appreciate a few of you helping me test the site
out. I'll definitely make it worth your while.


You're not only a SPAMMING shill for the SUCKO company, you're now going to
further SPAM this group with your own SPAM?

Do us all a favor and go play in the freeway.

Jon

"jaymelone" wrote in message
roups.com...
jaymelone had written this in response to
http://www.thestuccocompany.com/main...ew-412326-.htm
:
Guys, just like you wouldn't buy a water heater from Home Depot, I
wouldn't recommend their hardware, either. The quality is sub-standard and
pricing is through the roof.

I'm opening a site online where you'll be able to find any fastener in any
material for any job. We'll also have some pretty cool features to help
you plan your projects and buy the right stuff, and the right amount, too!
We'll even help you contractors out there engage with and grow your
customer base. We have a lot in the works.

I have an immediate need for 5 beryllium copper, 1" x 16"
allen head capscrews, 8tpi, with left hand,
double lead buttress threads, polished to a surface finish of
50nm and having a total indicated runout of .0002" and
some plastic wing nuts for same.

basilisk

Oh, bother. I had a couple gross of those. One of my
multiple wives cleaned out the space ship we use to hi to
Kolob, and had all that sent out with the trash. Good thing
she didn't throw out my flashlight.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"basilisk" wrote in message
...

I have an immediate need for 5 beryllium copper, 1" x 16"
allen head capscrews, 8tpi, with left hand,
double lead buttress threads, polished to a surface finish
of
50nm and having a total indicated runout of .0002" and
some plastic wing nuts for same.

basilisk

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Oh, bother. I had a couple gross of those. One of my
multiple wives cleaned out the space ship we use to hi to
Kolob, and had all that sent out with the trash. Good thing
she didn't throw out my flashlight.

I'll bet you would have made me a good deal,
story of my life.

basilisk
.


"basilisk" wrote in message
...

I have an immediate need for 5 beryllium copper, 1" x 16"
allen head capscrews, 8tpi, with left hand,
double lead buttress threads, polished to a surface finish
of
50nm and having a total indicated runout of .0002" and
some plastic wing nuts for same.

basilisk

FWIW, my neighbor asked me and another neighbor to hang her new
LCD TV set, using an arm bracket. Without going into detail, we
needed (4) 1/4" X 6" lags to get the job done really solid. I
sized the pilot hole myself, using the MK22 eyeball device in my
head, and by the way, the hole was drilled with a 5" long bit.

2 of the blasted things torqued off, meaning that we had to adjust
the height of the bracket to remount it. They are a POS and it'll
be a cold day in Hades before I use anything like that in a
project.


--
Nonny

ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

"basilisk" wrote in message

I have an immediate need for 5 beryllium copper, 1" x 16"
allen head capscrews, 8tpi, with left hand,
double lead buttress threads, polished to a surface finish of
50nm and having a total indicated runout of .0002" and
some plastic wing nuts for same.


They are 79¢ at Home Depot, but I think the Lowes 35 mile up the road has
them for only 77¢ so take the trip to find out for sure before you buy and
waste money.

In article ,
"Nonny" wrote:

FWIW, my neighbor asked me and another neighbor to hang her new
LCD TV set, using an arm bracket. Without going into detail, we
needed (4) 1/4" X 6" lags to get the job done really solid. I
sized the pilot hole myself, using the MK22 eyeball device in my
head, and by the way, the hole was drilled with a 5" long bit.

2 of the blasted things torqued off, meaning that we had to adjust
the height of the bracket to remount it. They are a POS and it'll
be a cold day in Hades before I use anything like that in a
project.

Let's see, you used a 5" long drill for a 6" long bolt. (How much of the
drill was in the chuck, BTW?) And I don't see any mention of a larger
counterbore for the unthreaded portion. But I'm sure you saved face with
the neighbor by blaming the hardware.

The Lowes ones are grade 5, the HD ones are grade 2. After
all this long thread, I know you'll make the right choice.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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"basilisk" wrote in message

I have an immediate need for 5 beryllium copper, 1" x 16"
allen head capscrews, 8tpi, with left hand,
double lead buttress threads, polished to a surface finish
of
50nm and having a total indicated runout of .0002" and
some plastic wing nuts for same.


They are 79¢ at Home Depot, but I think the Lowes 35 mile up
the road has
them for only 77¢ so take the trip to find out for sure
before you buy and
waste money.

"basilisk" wrote in
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"jaymelone" wrote in message
roups.com...
jaymelone had written this in response to
http://www.thestuccocompany.com/main...-4-Lag-Screw-4
12326-.htm
:
Guys, just like you wouldn't buy a water heater from Home Depot, I
wouldn't recommend their hardware, either. The quality is
sub-standard and pricing is through the roof.

I'm opening a site online where you'll be able to find any fastener
in any material for any job. We'll also have some pretty cool
features to help you plan your projects and buy the right stuff, and
the right amount, too! We'll even help you contractors out there
engage with and grow your customer base. We have a lot in the works.

I have an immediate need for 5 beryllium copper, 1" x 16"
allen head capscrews, 8tpi, with left hand,
double lead buttress threads, polished to a surface finish of
50nm and having a total indicated runout of .0002" and
some plastic wing nuts for same.

basilisk




You ain't gonna believe this but Harbor Freight has just such a thing.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2l9o3dh.jpg