On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:10:00 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:06:44 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:29:52 -0500, "RBM" wrote:


"Jim Sherman" wrote in message
news I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've
heard that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp
if the house gets too cold.
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Found it. Ductstat from AprilAire or Suncourt - model DS100, or LUX
Win100. Also Thermocube (non adjustable)

They are pretty & all- but can't you do the same thing with a $10 line
voltage thermostat?

Jim
I can. Mabee you can. Can the OP? If he does it wrong and causes a
fire? or a shock?

The ones I referenced are both UL and CSA approved.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:54:27 -0700, Robert Neville
wrote:

wrote:

Found it. Ductstat from AprilAire or Suncourt - model DS100, or LUX
Win100

Looks like the low temp stops at 40F. Would be nice to have something like this
to go down to 30F for a freeze prevention application.


30F is no good for freeze protection. Need to keep above 32 -
preferably closer to 40 because you don't know you have the coolest
spot monitored.

On Dec 10, 2:22*pm, Robert Neville wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
frost line - The limit of penetration of soil by frost.

Doesn't that mean, by definition, that the well house isn't *really*
below the frost line?

Perhaps the published frost line, either now or when the well house
was installed, is/was incorrect.

I think the problem is that the well house isn't undisturbed soil. About 75% of
the metal well house is exposed above grade, including an uninsulated manhole
cover. The floor of the house is below the frost line where the booster pump and
pipes are below.

That would certainly explain it.

BTW...I spent some time in Alaska, about 60 miles below the Artic
Circle.

They speak in sort of opposite terms up there, referring to Perma
Frost lines and Thaw Lines, instead of Frost Lines.

Did you know that even though the roots of the tundra can be within
the Perma Frost layer, it's possible to build a bon fire hot enough to
heat up the roots to such as extent that small fires erupt from
underground hundreds of feet from the original bon fire?

Been there...done that. Lucky for me I was on radio watch the next day
while the rest of the station used pitch forks and shovels to overturn
the tundra in an effort to stop it from spreading.

DerbyDad03 wrote:

Did you know that even though the roots of the tundra can be within
the Perma Frost layer, it's possible to build a bon fire hot enough to
heat up the roots to such as extent that small fires erupt from
underground hundreds of feet from the original bon fire?

No, I didn't! That is just too weird.

DerbyDad03 wrote:

Did you know that even though the roots of the tundra can be within
the Perma Frost layer, it's possible to build a bon fire hot enough to
heat up the roots to such as extent that small fires erupt from
underground hundreds of feet from the original bon fire?

No, I didn't! That is just too weird.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:00:15 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:00:00 -0500, Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside. Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Have a plumber install a drain plug and drain the water before leaving and then
you can keep the heat completely off.
Why pay for something that you don't use?

A pretty good reason to pay for maintenance level heating while you're
away is the rapid deterioration that is experienced in unheated,
unoccupied buildings.

Bull****.
Nmae one single building material that deteroriates when unheated.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:00:15 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:00:00 -0500, Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside. Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Have a plumber install a drain plug and drain the water before leaving and then
you can keep the heat completely off.
Why pay for something that you don't use?

A pretty good reason to pay for maintenance level heating while you're
away is the rapid deterioration that is experienced in unheated,
unoccupied buildings.

Bull****.
Nmae one single building material that deteroriates when unheated.

Depends on how much cold you want to go.



"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:00:15 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:00:00 -0500, Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've
heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if
the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside.
Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Have a plumber install a drain plug and drain the water before leaving
and then
you can keep the heat completely off.
Why pay for something that you don't use?

A pretty good reason to pay for maintenance level heating while you're
away is the rapid deterioration that is experienced in unheated,
unoccupied buildings.

Bull****.
Nmae one single building material that deteroriates when unheated.

Depends on how much cold you want to go.



"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:00:15 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:00:00 -0500, Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've
heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if
the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside.
Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Have a plumber install a drain plug and drain the water before leaving
and then
you can keep the heat completely off.
Why pay for something that you don't use?

A pretty good reason to pay for maintenance level heating while you're
away is the rapid deterioration that is experienced in unheated,
unoccupied buildings.

Bull****.
Nmae one single building material that deteroriates when unheated.

A pretty good reason to pay for maintenance level heating while you're
away is the rapid deterioration that is experienced in unheated,
unoccupied buildings.

Bull****.
Nmae one single building material that deteroriates when unheated.- Hide quoted text -


http://www.purocleanri.com/files/411...age%5B1%5D.pdf

a great explnation of some of the issues which go beyond water and
sewer lines.

the article points out freezing can damage electronics.......

you can all go read for yourself

I have seen plaster spall in unheated homes. moisture in plaster
freezes, moisture expands and it literally falls apart.

doesnt appear to be a issue for drywall.

plus the expansion contraction can cause cracks, homes werent designed
to freeze thaw

A pretty good reason to pay for maintenance level heating while you're
away is the rapid deterioration that is experienced in unheated,
unoccupied buildings.

Bull****.
Nmae one single building material that deteroriates when unheated.- Hide quoted text -


http://www.purocleanri.com/files/411...age%5B1%5D.pdf

a great explnation of some of the issues which go beyond water and
sewer lines.

the article points out freezing can damage electronics.......

you can all go read for yourself

I have seen plaster spall in unheated homes. moisture in plaster
freezes, moisture expands and it literally falls apart.

doesnt appear to be a issue for drywall.

plus the expansion contraction can cause cracks, homes werent designed
to freeze thaw

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:11:26 -0500, Grumpy wrote:
Depends on how much cold you want to go.

What building materials are anything but well preserved in the cold?

I've used vacation houses left ice cold except on weekends and they weren't
affected in the slightest. Of course the water had to be drained, but that
isn't a big deal.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:11:26 -0500, Grumpy wrote:
Depends on how much cold you want to go.

What building materials are anything but well preserved in the cold?

I've used vacation houses left ice cold except on weekends and they weren't
affected in the slightest. Of course the water had to be drained, but that
isn't a big deal.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:13:33 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:00:15 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:00:00 -0500, Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside. Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Have a plumber install a drain plug and drain the water before leaving and then
you can keep the heat completely off.
Why pay for something that you don't use?

A pretty good reason to pay for maintenance level heating while you're
away is the rapid deterioration that is experienced in unheated,
unoccupied buildings.

Bull****.
Nmae one single building material that deteroriates when unheated.

Due to condensation from temperature changes paint flakes, wallpaper
comes off (or mildues) plaster can crumble, but more often drywall.
The biggest concern, however, is frost getting into the foundation and
heaving it - which cracks walls, cracks foundations, and can even go
as far as cracking window glass and causing doors to jam.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:13:33 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:00:15 -0600, Pete C. wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:00:00 -0500, Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside. Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Have a plumber install a drain plug and drain the water before leaving and then
you can keep the heat completely off.
Why pay for something that you don't use?

A pretty good reason to pay for maintenance level heating while you're
away is the rapid deterioration that is experienced in unheated,
unoccupied buildings.

Bull****.
Nmae one single building material that deteroriates when unheated.

Due to condensation from temperature changes paint flakes, wallpaper
comes off (or mildues) plaster can crumble, but more often drywall.
The biggest concern, however, is frost getting into the foundation and
heaving it - which cracks walls, cracks foundations, and can even go
as far as cracking window glass and causing doors to jam.

On 11 Dec 2009 00:32:46 GMT, RobertPatrick wrote:

What happens if the bulb burns out and the neighbor thinks everything is
OK, but it's not.
Better to have a lamp that goes OUT when it gets cold.

On 11 Dec 2009 00:32:46 GMT, RobertPatrick wrote:

What happens if the bulb burns out and the neighbor thinks everything is
OK, but it's not.
Better to have a lamp that goes OUT when it gets cold.

Mildues? Is that like having Milqtoast for breakfast?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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wrote in message
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Due to condensation from temperature changes paint flakes,
wallpaper
comes off (or mildues) plaster can crumble, but more often
drywall.
The biggest concern, however, is frost getting into the
foundation and
heaving it - which cracks walls, cracks foundations, and can
even go
as far as cracking window glass and causing doors to jam.

Mildues? Is that like having Milqtoast for breakfast?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...

Due to condensation from temperature changes paint flakes,
wallpaper
comes off (or mildues) plaster can crumble, but more often
drywall.
The biggest concern, however, is frost getting into the
foundation and
heaving it - which cracks walls, cracks foundations, and can
even go
as far as cracking window glass and causing doors to jam.

Lamp that helps keep the house warm? Though, it's a valid
point. If the lamp goes out when it's cold, does a tree fall
in the woods?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
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On 11 Dec 2009 00:32:46 GMT, RobertPatrick
wrote:

What happens if the bulb burns out and the neighbor thinks
everything is
OK, but it's not.
Better to have a lamp that goes OUT when it gets cold.

Lamp that helps keep the house warm? Though, it's a valid
point. If the lamp goes out when it's cold, does a tree fall
in the woods?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...
On 11 Dec 2009 00:32:46 GMT, RobertPatrick
wrote:

What happens if the bulb burns out and the neighbor thinks
everything is
OK, but it's not.
Better to have a lamp that goes OUT when it gets cold.

Lamp that helps keep the house warm? Though, it's a valid
point. If the lamp goes out when it's cold, does a tree fall
in the woods?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...
On 11 Dec 2009 00:32:46 GMT, RobertPatrick
wrote:

What happens if the bulb burns out and the neighbor thinks
everything is
OK, but it's not.
Better to have a lamp that goes OUT when it gets cold.

Lamp that helps keep the house warm? Though, it's a valid
point. If the lamp goes out when it's cold, does a tree fall
in the woods?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...
On 11 Dec 2009 00:32:46 GMT, RobertPatrick
wrote:

What happens if the bulb burns out and the neighbor thinks
everything is
OK, but it's not.
Better to have a lamp that goes OUT when it gets cold.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:37:23 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lamp that helps keep the house warm? Though, it's a valid
point. If the lamp goes out when it's cold, does a tree fall
in the woods?
Not to keep the house warm - but as a FAIOLSAFE indicator. If the
light is ON, there is both heat and power. If the light is off, either
the heat or the power is out, OR the bulb has failed.

It can give a false error indication, but is pretty well impossible to
produce a false "OK"

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:37:23 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lamp that helps keep the house warm? Though, it's a valid
point. If the lamp goes out when it's cold, does a tree fall
in the woods?
Not to keep the house warm - but as a FAIOLSAFE indicator. If the
light is ON, there is both heat and power. If the light is off, either
the heat or the power is out, OR the bulb has failed.

It can give a false error indication, but is pretty well impossible to
produce a false "OK"

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:37:23 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lamp that helps keep the house warm? Though, it's a valid
point. If the lamp goes out when it's cold, does a tree fall
in the woods?
Not to keep the house warm - but as a FAIOLSAFE indicator. If the
light is ON, there is both heat and power. If the light is off, either
the heat or the power is out, OR the bulb has failed.

It can give a false error indication, but is pretty well impossible to
produce a false "OK"

On Dec 9, 5:21*pm, jeff_wisnia wrote:
Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside. Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Just buy a 120 volt thermostat like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Lux-LV2-Voltag.../dp/B0002QWXGQ

and wire it in series with the lamp.

Course if the cause of no heat is a power failure, then you're not in
very good shape, are you.

For a little more money you can buy low temperature alarms which will
dial a phone number, maybe your heating contractor, and deliver a message..

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Anyone have suggestions for these?

What is out there today that does this both for the phone line, cell
phone and the Internet?

Thanks

TMT

On Dec 9, 5:21*pm, jeff_wisnia wrote:
Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside. Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Just buy a 120 volt thermostat like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Lux-LV2-Voltag.../dp/B0002QWXGQ

and wire it in series with the lamp.

Course if the cause of no heat is a power failure, then you're not in
very good shape, are you.

For a little more money you can buy low temperature alarms which will
dial a phone number, maybe your heating contractor, and deliver a message..

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Anyone have suggestions for these?

What is out there today that does this both for the phone line, cell
phone and the Internet?

Thanks

TMT

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:11:26 -0500, Grumpy wrote:
Depends on how much cold you want to go.

What building materials are anything but well preserved in the cold?

I've used vacation houses left ice cold except on weekends and they
weren't
affected in the slightest. Of course the water had to be drained, but
that
isn't a big deal.

Yes but vacation house does not have all conveniences, utilities
or human subsidy that normal house have.
And as far as material depend again on Relative Humidity of location.

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:31:26 -0500, Grumpy wrote:

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:11:26 -0500, Grumpy wrote:
Depends on how much cold you want to go.

What building materials are anything but well preserved in the cold?

I've used vacation houses left ice cold except on weekends and they
weren't
affected in the slightest. Of course the water had to be drained, but
that
isn't a big deal.

Yes but vacation house does not have all conveniences, utilities
or human subsidy that normal house have.
And as far as material depend again on Relative Humidity of location.


Actually, it did. The only thing it didn't have was a stinking
big tv entertainment system.

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
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On Dec 9, 5:21 pm, jeff_wisnia wrote:
Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've
heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if
the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside. Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Just buy a 120 volt thermostat like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Lux-LV2-Voltag.../dp/B0002QWXGQ

and wire it in series with the lamp.

Course if the cause of no heat is a power failure, then you're not in
very good shape, are you.

For a little more money you can buy low temperature alarms which will
dial a phone number, maybe your heating contractor, and deliver a message.

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Yes there is lot different things you can purchase and use
it all comes down to money.
You are ham you should know that. KA@AYS



Anyone have suggestions for these?

What is out there today that does this both for the phone line, cell
phone and the Internet?

Thanks

TMT

On Dec 12, 9:26�am, "Grumpy" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

...
On Dec 9, 5:21 pm, jeff_wisnia wrote:





Jim Sherman wrote:
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've
heard
that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp if
the
house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so my
neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside. Does
such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.

Just buy a 120 volt thermostat like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Lux-LV2-Voltag.../dp/B0002QWXGQ

and wire it in series with the lamp.

Course if the cause of no heat is a power failure, then you're not in
very good shape, are you.

For a little more money you can buy low temperature alarms which will
dial a phone number, maybe your heating contractor, and deliver a message.

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Yes there is lot different things you can purchase and use
it all comes down to money.
You are ham you should know that. �KA@AYS

Anyone have suggestions for these?

What is out there today that does this both for the phone line, cell
phone and the Internet?

Thanks

TMT- Hide quoted text -

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a monmitored security system would detect break ins and freezing temps
etc. you can give them contact list......... of what to do when.....

Thanks for the ideas. While following one suggestion I found a "Winter
Watchman" by Honeywell at ACE Hdwe. for $21. Set the temp, turn on the lamp,
plug lamp into watchman, plug watchman into wall. Just what I hoped to find.
Ran tests in the basement, then in the garage. It seems to work. Thanks all.
"Jim Sherman" wrote in message
news
I'm a snowbird and worry about a furnace failure while I'm away. I've
heard that there is a temperature sensing switch that will turn on a lamp
if the house gets too cold. I'd like to set a lamp in the front window so
my neighbor can check the place as he drives by without coming inside.
Does such a switch exist? Who sells it? Thanks in advance.