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Back in 1987 I saw the first steel-stud construction in an office I was working in. The put up the studs and the sheet rock in two days flat. But then they took three months doing the electrical and HVAC ducting. Why? What can be done to change this? Is there a way that the placement of the ducts can be so standardised that this can also be "plug and play"? I believe that because of Katrina, they can now prefab the entire wall's studs by CAD/CAM, but what about the ducting? I admit that was a 1950s building, so the retrofit may have been the bottleneck. - = - Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2 ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos] |
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Dear vjp2...:
On Oct 13, 10:27*pm, wrote: Back in 1987 I saw the first steel-stud construction in an office I was working in. The put up the studs and the sheet rock in two days flat. Then waited for inspections. But then they took three months doing the electrical and HVAC ducting. *Why? Other trades, other contractors, inspections, and the usual delays coordinating these things. What can be done to change this? Prefabbed completed walls and ceiling modules. Like a "mobile home"... Is there a way that the placement of the ducts can be so standardised that this can also be "plug and play"? Not so much. Each space has unique ventillation requirements, to get somewhere close to being comfortable for occupants. Not that they get implemented optimally, but only as the drop-in ceiling grid permits. I believe that because of Katrina, they can now prefab the entire wall's studs by CAD/CAM, but what about the ducting? I admit that was a 1950s building, so the retrofit may have been the bottleneck. Doubtful. New or old, the delays are hysterically in inspections and coordination. There is some "hand in glove" efficiency in all new construction... you get to define the ground each step stands on... but this is a few days in savings at best. David A. Smith |
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Back in 1987 I saw the first steel-stud construction in an office I was working in. The put up the studs and the sheet rock in two days flat. But then they took three months doing the electrical and HVAC ducting. Why? What can be done to change this? Is there a way that the placement of the ducts can be so standardised that this can also be "plug and play"? I believe that because of Katrina, they can now prefab the entire wall's studs by CAD/CAM, but what about the ducting? I admit that was a 1950s building, so the retrofit may have been the bottleneck. *Usually the ducts go in before anything else and then studs, then wiring and finally drywall. If the walls go up first it will take longer. |
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On Oct 14, 1:27*am, wrote:
Back in 1987 I saw the first steel-stud construction in an office I was working in. The put up the studs and the sheet rock in two days flat. But then they took three months doing the electrical and HVAC ducting. *Why? What can be done to change this? Is there a way that the placement of the ducts can be so standardised that this can also be "plug and play"? I believe that because of Katrina, they can now prefab the entire wall's studs by CAD/CAM, but what about the ducting? I admit that was a 1950s building, so the retrofit may have been the bottleneck. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - = - *Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist * *http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm...k.com/vasjpan2 * ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. *Everything fully disclaimed..}--- * *[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] *[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos] "Back in 1987 I saw the first steel-stud construction in an office I was working in" Just curious... What took you so long to ask about a situation you witnessed almost 20 years ago? Has it been nagging you all this time and you just couldn't hold it in any longer? |
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On Oct 14, 9:46*am, PeterD wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:27:15 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Back in 1987 I saw the first steel-stud construction in an office I was working in. The put up the studs and the sheet rock in two days flat. But then they took three months doing the electrical and HVAC ducting. *Why? What can be done to change this? Is there a way that the placement of the ducts can be so standardised that this can also be "plug and play"? I believe that because of Katrina, they can now prefab the entire wall's studs by CAD/CAM, but what about the ducting? I admit that was a 1950s building, so the retrofit may have been the bottleneck. I suspect there is more to the story than you are saying (factors you were unaware of...) Generally steel stud walls are done much like wood studs, put in studs, wire/duct/utilities, then sheet-rock. Should take about the same time as with wood. Steel studs are far faster than wood for framing out partitioning, soffits and the like. Probably about 2/3's quicker. As far as the OP's observation, a sample of one is not sufficient. Depending on where and when, the lead time for any particular custom fabricated item, such as ductwork, could take anywhere from a week to three months. When I worked in commercial construction way back when, the tin knockers had one of the biggest backlogs of work and the delays in getting the duct installed was substantial. R |
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RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 14, 9:46 am, PeterD wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:27:15 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Back in 1987 I saw the first steel-stud construction in an office I was working in. The put up the studs and the sheet rock in two days flat. But then they took three months doing the electrical and HVAC ducting. Why? What can be done to change this? Is there a way that the placement of the ducts can be so standardised that this can also be "plug and play"? I believe that because of Katrina, they can now prefab the entire wall's studs by CAD/CAM, but what about the ducting? I admit that was a 1950s building, so the retrofit may have been the bottleneck. I suspect there is more to the story than you are saying (factors you were unaware of...) Generally steel stud walls are done much like wood studs, put in studs, wire/duct/utilities, then sheet-rock. Should take about the same time as with wood. Steel studs are far faster than wood for framing out partitioning, soffits and the like. Probably about 2/3's quicker. As far as the OP's observation, a sample of one is not sufficient. Depending on where and when, the lead time for any particular custom fabricated item, such as ductwork, could take anywhere from a week to three months. When I worked in commercial construction way back when, the tin knockers had one of the biggest backlogs of work and the delays in getting the duct installed was substantial. R One of many reasons those damn ugly drop ceilings became the industry standard, never mind the sculptured plaster ceiling you were hiding up above on old work. You can run the ducts with cheap off-the-shelf parts in the now-dead space above the finish ceiling. -- aem, who who rather look at exposed duct runs hanging in space than a drop ceiling, sends.... |
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*+- "Back in 1987 I saw the first steel-stud construction in an office
*+-I was working in" *+-Just curious... *+-What took you so long to ask about a situation you witnessed almost 20 *+-years ago? I took a PDF in steel stud construction and it triggered my memory - = - Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2 ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos] |
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*+-*Usually the ducts go in before anything else and then studs, then wiring
*+-and finally drywall. If the walls go up first it will take longer. Now, THAT explains it best. Thanks! - = - Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2 ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos] |
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*+-I suspect there is more to the story than you are saying (factors you *+-were unaware of...) Well, that's why I asked. I suspect the techniques were still new back then. I hadn't seen it before. What I am pretty sure I saw and most today say could not have been is they used these red "nails" which to me seemed like plastic. And of course, if they were plastic, how could they align it to the hole behind the drywall? - = - Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2 ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos] |
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On Nov 4, 10:36*pm, wrote:
*+-*Usually the ducts go in before anything else and then studs, then wiring *+-and finally drywall. *If the walls go up first it will take longer. Now, THAT explains it best. Thanks! No, it doesn't. R |
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