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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low
speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve |
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On Jul 28, 12:59*am, "SteveB" wrote:
I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. *Low speed. *It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. *They are a little dryrotted. *Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? I think I'd start a rubber company and manufacture "Z" rated tires and replace them every 2-3 months for that application. ----- - gpsman |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:59:51 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve The last time I needed tires for my boat trailer it was cheaper to buy a tire and wheel from a trailer place than buying a tire and getting it mounted. Even Northern Tools beats that tire/mount price and we have a trailer manufacturer who beats NT. I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers. I go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats for me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they just wave you off when you go to pay. Of course, I go back when I need tires, and they have that on record. I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one and see. But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but at the lowest cost. I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand, etc, so it doesn't have to be that great. Steve |
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on 7/28/2009 12:59 AM (ET) SteveB wrote the following:
I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve I would just put the slime in there for now. You're not going to use them on the highway, and if you get a flat, you're no going to have to pull it by hand, like a flat wheelbarrow tire. I'm frugal. I won't buy anything unless I can do it cheaper with what I've got. :-) |
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.... I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers. I go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats for me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they just wave you off when you go to pay. Of course, I go back when I need tires, and they have that on record. I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one and see. But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but at the lowest cost. I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand, etc, so it doesn't have to be that great. .... For cheap if go out of town as others said can probably by those tires/wheels cheap as just the tubes. OTOH, in small towns there are advantages/reasons to keep the locals in business--I rarely take that route for only a couple bucks for just that reason; too many places are already either merely shells of their former selves or gone. People complain about what they've lost but too many of those same people didn't do anything to help prevent that... -- |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: ... I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers. I go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats for me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they just wave you off when you go to pay. Of course, I go back when I need tires, and they have that on record. I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one and see. But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but at the lowest cost. I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand, etc, so it doesn't have to be that great. ... For cheap if go out of town as others said can probably by those tires/wheels cheap as just the tubes. OTOH, in small towns there are advantages/reasons to keep the locals in business--I rarely take that route for only a couple bucks for just that reason; too many places are already either merely shells of their former selves or gone. People complain about what they've lost but too many of those same people didn't do anything to help prevent that... -- Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect...If the local "just expects " folks to shop there and pay higher prices just to keep him employed then to bad...I don't have money just to throw away...I suppose we should be still buying buggy whips to keep buggy whip makers in business??? I doubt locals would pay me more for drywall work just to keep me employed..They get bids.....And for me to remain competive I have to buy materials where they are cheaper and are open when I need them...It's called "capitolism"...Time does not stand still and if they won't change they will go the way of buggy whip makers and should...Just my 2 cents..... |
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:59:51 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve There are solid foam tires in that size. Sample: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/21...oam_wheel.html |
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.... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- |
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If they were mine, I'd go with the tubes. And spray the
outside of the tires generously with Armor All, which helps resist dry rot. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "SteveB" wrote in message ... I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , especially now that times are hard and every dollar counts , then it is the local merchants fault....In case you haven't noticed mom isn't home during the day to shop from 8-5 and dad works outside of the downtown area and often only has evenings and Sunday to shop...Same for mom.... If the local merchant doesn't change with the times he will be left behind..The facts may be cruel but they are the facts.....Times change and if you don't change with them you get left behind...If they work at it and stay open late a few times a week ,start a co-op to increase buying power to compete price wise , open on Sunday , provide exceptional customer service or otherwise find their nich they will survive just fine , but if they just keep doing what they have done for the last 30 years they won't......Sad but true.... |
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benick wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , .... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. -- |
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ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. HFT, tires from $ 4.99 depending on your axle http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...CategoryID=810 |
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On Jul 28, 12:59*am, "SteveB" wrote:
I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. *Low speed. *It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. *They are a little dryrotted. *Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? *Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. *I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. *My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. *I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve We had an old riding mower with big knobby tires, one of which was flat. My son bought a cart from HF to tow behind his new mower for neighborhood jobs, but it had very small tires. We took out the reciprocating saw and grinder, enlarged the wheel wells, put some tubes in the old mower tires and put them on the trailer - a much more rugged look. The tubes/tires have held air for well over 5 years. The cart is getting pretty rusted out, but the old tires are still rolling along. |
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benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. The biggest thing that locals have to contend with is few people actually pause to think. They let all of the big box whatever marketing do it for them. You could do a great job but the big outfits can buy mindshare. My friends' brother owns a local appliance shop. He is part of a co-op so he is quite competitive. He and his staff are quite knowledgeable and will do whatever extra it takes. They also open long hours just like big box. The problem is big box tells everyone how wonderful they are with constant marketing and folks simply drive the extra 10 miles to the mall because locals "must be evil". Or the local deli in my town. It is a true evil mom & pop place. They make real soup instead of pouring it out of a bucket and make great subs on really nice quality rolls baked by a local Italian bakery. I mention the place whenever I have an opportunity and the usual answer is "but it isn't subway.." When I think of subway I think consistent mediocrity. Marketing tells another story. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. -- |
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Ordered two tubes today. They will come in Friday. Tubes and installing in
tires ..... $13 plus tax. These don't go over 5 mph. Steve |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. -- So you consider "Target" a "local retailor" and a Walmart Supercenter not...LOL...Surely you jest....Perhaps folks were comlaining about "no places to eat" because there were no Pizza Hut , KFC , Taco Bell or Micky Dees..As I said , we live in a different "faster" time..Perhaps folks on the run don't have time to spend a hour or two eating at the local diner or Chic Hole In The wall Restaurant downtown..Especially if they have to travel out of town to shop anyway...That is why you see FAST food restaurants near shopping plazes....Supercenters are popular for more than just saving mony..They save TIME..No need to run all over creation to get all that is needed...Groceries , jeans and an oil filter for the car all in one stop...Plenty of parking and restaurants are close by....Time is money as well....I live in a very small town...30-50 miles to cities....You also completely ignored that the downtown stores typically close at 5 and aren't open on the weekend especially SUNDAY which is now about the biggest shopping day of the week...I suppose you also long for the days when it was illegal for stores to be open on Sunday ??? |
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"George" wrote in message ... dpb wrote: benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. The biggest thing that locals have to contend with is few people actually pause to think. They let all of the big box whatever marketing do it for them. You could do a great job but the big outfits can buy mindshare. My friends' brother owns a local appliance shop. He is part of a co-op so he is quite competitive. He and his staff are quite knowledgeable and will do whatever extra it takes. They also open long hours just like big box. The problem is big box tells everyone how wonderful they are with constant marketing and folks simply drive the extra 10 miles to the mall because locals "must be evil". Or the local deli in my town. It is a true evil mom & pop place. They make real soup instead of pouring it out of a bucket and make great subs on really nice quality rolls baked by a local Italian bakery. I mention the place whenever I have an opportunity and the usual answer is "but it isn't subway.." When I think of subway I think consistent mediocrity. Marketing tells another story. Like I said people don't like running all over creation to get the things they need...Just because they make great subs or sell competive appliances doesn't automatically mean they will make it if they are off the beaten path with a lack of parking and don't advertise...LOCATION , LOCATION , LOCATION....Instead you just call shoppers stupid...That works really good...LOL... |
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That's funny. They are Chinese manufacturers of tires. You probably have to
buy 10,000 tires minimum. -- Walter www.rationality.net - "Oren" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:59:51 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve There are solid foam tires in that size. Sample: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/21...oam_wheel.html |
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benick wrote:
.... So you consider "Target" a "local retailor" and a Walmart Supercenter not...LOL... How in the world did you get that idea? I said nothing of the sort only that if one of the ilk closes so there's another just down the street in larger locations--that's not so in smaller markets. places to eat" because there were no Pizza Hut , KFC , Taco Bell or Micky Dees.. No, there was essentially every McDoodle known to man; what people complained about was lack of a place/places with amenities. folks on the run don't have time to spend a hour or two eating at the local diner or Chic Hole In The wall Restaurant downtown.. Yet these sameself time-stressed folks will drive 30-miles each way over staying local? How's that time-efficient, pray tell??? they have to travel out of town to shop anyway... Which is the other fallacy--they didn't _HAVE_ to travel out of town to shop; at least until they ceased to support local merchants that had the same merchandise anyway for which they paid the "privilege" of two or more additional hours on the road, gas, parking, etc., etc., ... Financially, it really makes no sense if one were to actually calculate net, bottom-line cost. .... for more than just saving mony..They save TIME..No need to run all over creation to get all that is needed... That, too, is generally BS ime -- it takes far longer to tramp all over creation in one of these mega-malls than it does to go to two or three specific places, get in and out and be gone. I can generally go to one of the other stores in town, park, get what I want and be gone in the time it would take to simply get checked out in the Walmart after fighting the mobs and cart jungle in the parking lot plus the runaway kids... ...You also completely ignored that the downtown stores typically close at 5 and aren't open on the weekend especially SUNDAY which is now about the biggest shopping day of the week...I suppose you also long for the days when it was illegal for stores to be open on Sunday ??? No, they closed early Wednesday afternoon (church night) and all women were expected to "dress" (included the hat and gloves)... Frankly, much would be far better off, undoubtedly, yes. There's little _real_ advantage in hurry-scurry and most folks are rushing nowhere just like they're continuously on the phone for nothing... Just out of curiousity, what do _you_ consider "a very small town"??? -- |
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On Jul 28, 8:07*am, "benick" wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: ... I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers. I go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats for me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they just wave you off when you go to pay. *Of course, I go back when I need tires, and they have that on record. I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one and see. *But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but at the lowest cost. *I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand, etc, so it doesn't have to be that great. ... For cheap if go out of town as others said can probably by those tires/wheels cheap as just the tubes. OTOH, in small towns there are advantages/reasons to keep the locals in business--I rarely take that route for only a couple bucks for just that reason; too many places are already either merely shells of their former selves or gone. *People complain about what they've lost but too many of those same people didn't do anything to help prevent that... -- Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect...If the local "just expects " folks to shop there and pay higher prices just to keep him employed then to bad...I don't have money just to throw away...I suppose we should be still buying buggy whips to keep buggy whip makers in business??? I doubt locals would pay me more for drywall work just to keep me employed..They get bids.....And for me to remain competive I have to buy materials where they are cheaper and are open when I need them...It's called "capitolism"...Time does not stand still and if they won't change they will go the way of buggy whip makers and should...Just my 2 cents.....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Personally I beleive many local businesses will never be able to compete in a price game against large scale operations. Economies of scale are very biased towards large operations and marketplaces. The extras that are encompassed in small business pricing are often intangible. Community, personal service, knowledge, etc. We've all experienced the loss of personal service and business integrity that evaporates in an operation that exists by paring costs to the bone. Whenever possible I give the business to locals, simply because I feel there is value in the extra few bucks that a product or service may cost. I know the biz owner isn't getting rich, but I get a better feeling shopping there than feeding my bucks to the Borg. Call it a concience tax. I think small businesses will be headed the way of the Dodo as the baby boomers fade. People have made their decisions and are living on artificial wealth, therefore price is king in most marketplaces. Just don't bitch about missing the goold old days once they're gone. Used to be "Price, Quality, Service - pick any two". Now it's "Price, Quality, Service - try for one". Oh, and by the way, it's CapitAlism ;-) |
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On Jul 28, 2:18*pm, George wrote:
dpb wrote: benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. *Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true.. *The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. The biggest thing that locals have to contend with is few people actually pause to think. They let all of the big box whatever marketing * do it for them. You could do a great job but the big outfits can buy mindshare. My friends' brother owns a local appliance shop. He is part of a co-op so he is quite competitive. He and his staff are quite knowledgeable and will do whatever extra it takes. They also open long hours just like big box. The problem is big box tells everyone how wonderful they are with constant marketing and folks simply drive the extra 10 miles to the mall because locals "must be evil". Or the local deli in my town. It is a true evil mom & pop place. They make real soup instead of pouring it out of a bucket and make great subs on really nice quality rolls baked by a local Italian bakery. I mention the place whenever I have an opportunity and the usual answer is "but it isn't subway.." When I think of subway I think consistent mediocrity. Marketing tells another story. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. --- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If Media Ad men had been alive in Shakespeare's time, the quote might read "Let's kill all the lawyers, then get the Marketing guys next". |
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On Jul 28, 4:25*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
Ordered two tubes today. *They will come in Friday. *Tubes and installing in tires ..... $13 plus tax. *These don't go over 5 mph. Steve Good choice. I have the exact same situation and have been running tubes in my cracked tired for the past 4 years without problems. And I really load my cart down with sand, dirt, and firewood until the tires run almost flat. I'd estimate 500-600 lbs pulled over uneven ground. I just take it slow & easy. I almost wish they'd blow so I can justify a new cart, but they just keep hanging in there. Red |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:10:11 -0700, "Walter R."
wrote: That's funny. They are Chinese manufacturers of tires. You probably have to buy 10,000 tires minimum. Maybe not! Buy Flat Free tires at Lowe's. http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...247&lpage=none They work even with a framing nail in the tire. |
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dpb wrote: benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. -- People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper and don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center for $29.95. |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... So you consider "Target" a "local retailor" and a Walmart Supercenter not...LOL... How in the world did you get that idea? I said nothing of the sort only that if one of the ilk closes so there's another just down the street in larger locations--that's not so in smaller markets. places to eat" because there were no Pizza Hut , KFC , Taco Bell or Micky Dees.. No, there was essentially every McDoodle known to man; what people complained about was lack of a place/places with amenities. folks on the run don't have time to spend a hour or two eating at the local diner or Chic Hole In The wall Restaurant downtown.. Yet these sameself time-stressed folks will drive 30-miles each way over staying local? How's that time-efficient, pray tell??? they have to travel out of town to shop anyway... Which is the other fallacy--they didn't _HAVE_ to travel out of town to shop; at least until they ceased to support local merchants that had the same merchandise anyway for which they paid the "privilege" of two or more additional hours on the road, gas, parking, etc., etc., ... Financially, it really makes no sense if one were to actually calculate net, bottom-line cost. ... for more than just saving mony..They save TIME..No need to run all over creation to get all that is needed... That, too, is generally BS ime -- it takes far longer to tramp all over creation in one of these mega-malls than it does to go to two or three specific places, get in and out and be gone. I can generally go to one of the other stores in town, park, get what I want and be gone in the time it would take to simply get checked out in the Walmart after fighting the mobs and cart jungle in the parking lot plus the runaway kids... ...You also completely ignored that the downtown stores typically close at 5 and aren't open on the weekend especially SUNDAY which is now about the biggest shopping day of the week...I suppose you also long for the days when it was illegal for stores to be open on Sunday ??? No, they closed early Wednesday afternoon (church night) and all women were expected to "dress" (included the hat and gloves)... Frankly, much would be far better off, undoubtedly, yes. There's little _real_ advantage in hurry-scurry and most folks are rushing nowhere just like they're continuously on the phone for nothing... Just out of curiousity, what do _you_ consider "a very small town"??? -- 600 people , one general store and post office in the woods of Maine...LOL.... |
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"Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... dpb wrote: benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. -- People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper and don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center for $29.95. But you could do ALL your shopping at Walmart , not so at Target...Time is money....Walmart will MATCH any printed price by the way.... |
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benick wrote: "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... dpb wrote: benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. -- People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper and don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center for $29.95. But you could do ALL your shopping at Walmart No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to shop. All are in the same shopping center cluster so time isn't an issue. , not so at Target...Time is money....Walmart will MATCH any printed price by the way.... |
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:59:51 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve I'd be ready to replace them with better quality, but from a cost standpoint and how I used the trailer I'd use the trailer until the tires fall off. |
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benick wrote:
"George" wrote in message ... dpb wrote: benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. The biggest thing that locals have to contend with is few people actually pause to think. They let all of the big box whatever marketing do it for them. You could do a great job but the big outfits can buy mindshare. My friends' brother owns a local appliance shop. He is part of a co-op so he is quite competitive. He and his staff are quite knowledgeable and will do whatever extra it takes. They also open long hours just like big box. The problem is big box tells everyone how wonderful they are with constant marketing and folks simply drive the extra 10 miles to the mall because locals "must be evil". Or the local deli in my town. It is a true evil mom & pop place. They make real soup instead of pouring it out of a bucket and make great subs on really nice quality rolls baked by a local Italian bakery. I mention the place whenever I have an opportunity and the usual answer is "but it isn't subway.." When I think of subway I think consistent mediocrity. Marketing tells another story. Like I said people don't like running all over creation to get the things they need...Just because they make great subs or sell competive appliances doesn't automatically mean they will make it if they are off the beaten path with a lack of parking and don't advertise Who said that? I simply remarked how many have become trained to follow big box without thinking. ....LOCATION , LOCATION , LOCATION....Instead you just call shoppers stupid...That works really good...LOL... I am not the merchant. I explained the phenomena. |
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benick wrote:
.... 600 people , one general store and post office in the woods of Maine...LOL.... Kewl...just a tad bigger here; but no woods... What else does one really _need_, anyway??? -- |
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On Jul 27, 11:49*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:59:51 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. *Low speed. *It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. *They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? *Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. *I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. *My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. *I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve The last time I needed tires for my boat trailer it was cheaper to buy a tire and wheel from a trailer place than buying a tire and getting it mounted. Even Northern Tools beats that tire/mount price and we have a trailer manufacturer who beats NT. I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers. *I go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats for me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they just wave you off when you go to pay. *Of course, I go back when I need tires, and they have that on record. I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one and see. *But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but at the lowest cost. *I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand, etc, so it doesn't have to be that great. Steve- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The first time I have a flat on such a tire it have a tube put in. You are not talking about buying the Taj Mahal and the minor cost is well worth the avoidance of having _another_ flat. Done it on 3 tires thus far (may have been more) and had no more flats on any of them. Harry K |
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dpb wrote: benick wrote: ... 600 people , one general store and post office in the woods of Maine...LOL.... Kewl...just a tad bigger here; but no woods... What else does one really _need_, anyway??? Let's see: - A welding equipment / gas supplier - A SCUBA shop - A metal distributor - An auto parts distributor - A power equipment dealer - A building materials dealer - A construction equipment rental company - Etc... |
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"Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... benick wrote: "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... dpb wrote: benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. -- People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper and don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center for $29.95. But you could do ALL your shopping at Walmart No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to shop. All are in the same shopping center cluster so time isn't an issue. , not so at Target...Time is money....Walmart will MATCH any printed price by the way.... Fist you said.. ". In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center for $29.95." Then you said... "No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to shop." So which is it ?? Do you shop at Walmart or Target ?? Here's what I think....Your first quote was bull**** just to bash Walmart...You shop at Target (who carries much the same stuff just on a smaller scale minus the food and pharmacy )which is fine , but don't make **** up or some , including me , will think you suffer with WDS (Walmart Derangement Syndrome)... |
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On Jul 28, 12:59*am, "SteveB" wrote:
I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. *Low speed. *It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. *They are a little dryrotted. *Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? *Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. *I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. *My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. *I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve When my father in law passed away I started taking care of the place. He had a nice riding lawm more but the tires on it were dry rotted and leaked. Instead of buying new tires I put tubes in them and got nearly three more years of use out of them. Jimmie |
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Have your tires foam filled, buy a set of foam filled tires.
Probably about $40 each. They weigh a bunch, but last a long time. -- ______________________________ Keep the whole world singing . . . . DanG (remove the sevens) "SteveB" wrote in message ... I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat, and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway. Steve |
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benick wrote: "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... benick wrote: "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... dpb wrote: benick wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... benick wrote: ... Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect.. OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either. As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely. At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late. -- If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , ... That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in either travel or shipping. I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well. And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever. If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities they would like. -- People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper and don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center for $29.95. But you could do ALL your shopping at Walmart No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to shop. All are in the same shopping center cluster so time isn't an issue. , not so at Target...Time is money....Walmart will MATCH any printed price by the way.... Fist you said.. ". In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center for $29.95." Then you said... "No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to shop." So which is it ?? Do you shop at Walmart or Target ?? Here's what I think....Your first quote was bull**** just to bash Walmart...You shop at Target (who carries much the same stuff just on a smaller scale minus the food and pharmacy )which is fine , but don't make **** up or some , including me , will think you suffer with WDS (Walmart Derangement Syndrome)... No, neither Walmart nor Target carry much of what I need. Indeed both are infrequent stops on my shopping runs. Target seems to have pricing issues as well, while that $22.95 item rang up correctly, another item was labeled something like $90.89 on the top display shelf, $85.99 on the lower stock shelf and rang up at $80.49 at the register. |
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