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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low
speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them
tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.

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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. *Low
speed. *It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. *They are a little dryrotted. *Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them
tubeless?


I think I'd start a rubber company and manufacture "Z" rated tires and
replace them every 2-3 months for that application.
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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low
speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted.
Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use
them
tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're
flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.

Steve


The last time I needed tires for my boat trailer it was cheaper to buy
a tire and wheel from a trailer place than buying a tire and getting
it mounted. Even Northern Tools beats that tire/mount price and we
have a trailer manufacturer who beats NT.


I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers. I
go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats for
me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they just wave
you off when you go to pay. Of course, I go back when I need tires, and
they have that on record.

I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one
and see. But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but at
the lowest cost. I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand, etc, so
it doesn't have to be that great.

Steve


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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low
speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them
tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.

Steve


I would just put the slime in there for now. You're not going to use
them on the highway, and if you get a flat, you're no going to have to
pull it by hand, like a flat wheelbarrow tire. I'm frugal. I won't buy
anything unless I can do it cheaper with what I've got. :-)
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I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers. I
go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats for
me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they just wave
you off when you go to pay. Of course, I go back when I need tires, and
they have that on record.

I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one
and see. But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but at
the lowest cost. I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand, etc, so
it doesn't have to be that great.

....

For cheap if go out of town as others said can probably by those
tires/wheels cheap as just the tubes.

OTOH, in small towns there are advantages/reasons to keep the locals in
business--I rarely take that route for only a couple bucks for just that
reason; too many places are already either merely shells of their former
selves or gone. People complain about what they've lost but too many of
those same people didn't do anything to help prevent that...

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I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers.
I go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats
for me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they
just wave you off when you go to pay. Of course, I go back when I need
tires, and they have that on record.

I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one
and see. But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but
at the lowest cost. I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand,
etc, so it doesn't have to be that great.

...

For cheap if go out of town as others said can probably by those
tires/wheels cheap as just the tubes.

OTOH, in small towns there are advantages/reasons to keep the locals in
business--I rarely take that route for only a couple bucks for just that
reason; too many places are already either merely shells of their former
selves or gone. People complain about what they've lost but too many of
those same people didn't do anything to help prevent that...

--

Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are
only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain
competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products
, providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect...If the local
"just expects " folks to shop there and pay higher prices just to keep him
employed then to bad...I don't have money just to throw away...I suppose we
should be still buying buggy whips to keep buggy whip makers in business???
I doubt locals would pay me more for drywall work just to keep me
employed..They get bids.....And for me to remain competive I have to buy
materials where they are cheaper and are open when I need them...It's called
"capitolism"...Time does not stand still and if they won't change they will
go the way of buggy whip makers and should...Just my 2 cents.....

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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low
speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them
tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.

Steve


There are solid foam tires in that size.

Sample:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/21...oam_wheel.html



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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are
only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain
competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing
products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect.
,ect..


OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out
of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in
supporting local merchants but it's too late.

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If they were mine, I'd go with the tubes. And spray the
outside of the tires generously with Armor All, which helps
resist dry rot.

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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for
farm use. Low
speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little
dryrotted. Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new
tires and use them
tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the
time they're flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime
in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire
place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the
tubes. I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free
anyway.

Steve



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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are
only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain
competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing
products , providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect..


OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out of
town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does, either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when there
no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in
supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--


If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the
outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens ,
Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN ,
doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive , especially now that times
are hard and every dollar counts , then it is the local merchants
fault....In case you haven't noticed mom isn't home during the day to shop
from 8-5 and dad works outside of the downtown area and often only has
evenings and Sunday to shop...Same for mom.... If the local merchant doesn't
change with the times he will be left behind..The facts may be cruel but
they are the facts.....Times change and if you don't change with them you
get left behind...If they work at it and stay open late a few times a week
,start a co-op to increase buying power to compete price wise , open on
Sunday , provide exceptional customer service or otherwise find their nich
they will survive just fine , but if they just keep doing what they have
done for the last 30 years they won't......Sad but true....



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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to
remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..


OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does,
either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--


If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive ,


....
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or
more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted
to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits
were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued
to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true.
The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.

And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.

If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities,
they can't complain when their community no longer can support the
amenities they would like.

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ATV for farm use. Low speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it.


HFT, tires from $ 4.99 depending on your axle

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...CategoryID=810


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On Jul 28, 12:59*am, "SteveB" wrote:
I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. *Low
speed. *It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. *They are a little dryrotted. *Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them
tubeless? *Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. *I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. *My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. *I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.

Steve


We had an old riding mower with big knobby tires, one of which was
flat.

My son bought a cart from HF to tow behind his new mower for
neighborhood jobs, but it had very small tires. We took out the
reciprocating saw and grinder, enlarged the wheel wells, put some
tubes in the old mower tires and put them on the trailer - a much more
rugged look.

The tubes/tires have held air for well over 5 years. The cart is
getting pretty rusted out, but the old tires are still rolling along.
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benick wrote:

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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals
to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant
does, either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--


If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive ,


...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or
more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted
to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits
were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued
to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true.
The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.



The biggest thing that locals have to contend with is few people
actually pause to think. They let all of the big box whatever marketing
do it for them. You could do a great job but the big outfits can buy
mindshare.

My friends' brother owns a local appliance shop. He is part of a co-op
so he is quite competitive. He and his staff are quite knowledgeable and
will do whatever extra it takes. They also open long hours just like big
box. The problem is big box tells everyone how wonderful they are with
constant marketing and folks simply drive the extra 10 miles to the mall
because locals "must be evil".

Or the local deli in my town. It is a true evil mom & pop place. They
make real soup instead of pouring it out of a bucket and make great subs
on really nice quality rolls baked by a local Italian bakery. I mention
the place whenever I have an opportunity and the usual answer is "but it
isn't subway.." When I think of subway I think consistent mediocrity.
Marketing tells another story.




And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.

If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities,
they can't complain when their community no longer can support the
amenities they would like.

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Ordered two tubes today. They will come in Friday. Tubes and installing in
tires ..... $13 plus tax. These don't go over 5 mph.

Steve




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benick wrote:

"dpb" wrote in message
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to
remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out
of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does,
either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive in
supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--


If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to the
outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes ,Walgreens
, Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local merchant isn't OPEN
, doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive ,


...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a habit
that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by avoiding
local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or more in
either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from
a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about
lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to
cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were
never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to
complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The
same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.

And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.

If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities, they
can't complain when their community no longer can support the amenities
they would like.

--


So you consider "Target" a "local retailor" and a Walmart Supercenter
not...LOL...Surely you jest....Perhaps folks were comlaining about "no
places to eat" because there were no Pizza Hut , KFC , Taco Bell or Micky
Dees..As I said , we live in a different "faster" time..Perhaps folks on the
run don't have time to spend a hour or two eating at the local diner or Chic
Hole In The wall Restaurant downtown..Especially if they have to travel out
of town to shop anyway...That is why you see FAST food restaurants near
shopping plazes....Supercenters are popular for more than just saving
mony..They save TIME..No need to run all over creation to get all that is
needed...Groceries , jeans and an oil filter for the car all in one
stop...Plenty of parking and restaurants are close by....Time is money as
well....I live in a very small town...30-50 miles to cities....You also
completely ignored that the downtown stores typically close at 5 and aren't
open on the weekend especially SUNDAY which is now about the biggest
shopping day of the week...I suppose you also long for the days when it was
illegal for stores to be open on Sunday ???

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dpb wrote:
benick wrote:

"dpb" wrote in message
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to
remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or out
of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does,
either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--

If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive ,


...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or
more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour from
a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained about
lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted to
cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits were
never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued to
complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true. The
same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.



The biggest thing that locals have to contend with is few people actually
pause to think. They let all of the big box whatever marketing do it for
them. You could do a great job but the big outfits can buy mindshare.

My friends' brother owns a local appliance shop. He is part of a co-op so
he is quite competitive. He and his staff are quite knowledgeable and will
do whatever extra it takes. They also open long hours just like big box.
The problem is big box tells everyone how wonderful they are with constant
marketing and folks simply drive the extra 10 miles to the mall because
locals "must be evil".

Or the local deli in my town. It is a true evil mom & pop place. They make
real soup instead of pouring it out of a bucket and make great subs on
really nice quality rolls baked by a local Italian bakery. I mention the
place whenever I have an opportunity and the usual answer is "but it isn't
subway.." When I think of subway I think consistent mediocrity. Marketing
tells another story.



Like I said people don't like running all over creation to get the things
they need...Just because they make great subs or sell competive appliances
doesn't automatically mean they will make it if they are off the beaten path
with a lack of parking and don't advertise...LOCATION , LOCATION ,
LOCATION....Instead you just call shoppers stupid...That works really
good...LOL...

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That's funny. They are Chinese manufacturers of tires. You probably have to
buy 10,000 tires minimum.

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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low
speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted.
Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use
them
tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're
flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.

Steve


There are solid foam tires in that size.

Sample:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/21...oam_wheel.html





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So you consider "Target" a "local retailor" and a Walmart Supercenter
not...LOL...


How in the world did you get that idea? I said nothing of the sort only
that if one of the ilk closes so there's another just down the street in
larger locations--that's not so in smaller markets.

places to eat" because there were no Pizza Hut , KFC , Taco Bell or
Micky Dees..


No, there was essentially every McDoodle known to man; what people
complained about was lack of a place/places with amenities.

folks on the run don't have time to spend a hour or two eating at the
local diner or Chic Hole In The wall Restaurant downtown..


Yet these sameself time-stressed folks will drive 30-miles each way over
staying local? How's that time-efficient, pray tell???

they have to travel out of town to shop anyway...


Which is the other fallacy--they didn't _HAVE_ to travel out of town to
shop; at least until they ceased to support local merchants that had the
same merchandise anyway for which they paid the "privilege" of two or
more additional hours on the road, gas, parking, etc., etc., ...
Financially, it really makes no sense if one were to actually calculate
net, bottom-line cost.

....
for more than just saving mony..They save TIME..No need to run all over
creation to get all that is needed...


That, too, is generally BS ime -- it takes far longer to tramp all over
creation in one of these mega-malls than it does to go to two or three
specific places, get in and out and be gone. I can generally go to one
of the other stores in town, park, get what I want and be gone in the
time it would take to simply get checked out in the Walmart after
fighting the mobs and cart jungle in the parking lot plus the runaway
kids...

...You also completely ignored that the downtown stores
typically close at 5 and aren't open on the weekend especially SUNDAY
which is now about the biggest shopping day of the week...I suppose you
also long for the days when it was illegal for stores to be open on
Sunday ???


No, they closed early Wednesday afternoon (church night) and all women
were expected to "dress" (included the hat and gloves)...

Frankly, much would be far better off, undoubtedly, yes. There's little
_real_ advantage in hurry-scurry and most folks are rushing nowhere just
like they're continuously on the phone for nothing...

Just out of curiousity, what do _you_ consider "a very small town"???

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SteveB wrote:
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I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers.
I go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats
for me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they
just wave you off when you go to pay. *Of course, I go back when I need
tires, and they have that on record.


I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one
and see. *But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but
at the lowest cost. *I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand,
etc, so it doesn't have to be that great.

...


For cheap if go out of town as others said can probably by those
tires/wheels cheap as just the tubes.


OTOH, in small towns there are advantages/reasons to keep the locals in
business--I rarely take that route for only a couple bucks for just that
reason; too many places are already either merely shells of their former
selves or gone. *People complain about what they've lost but too many of
those same people didn't do anything to help prevent that...


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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you are
only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to remain
competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power , diversefing products
, providing more advice ,being open on the weekends ect. ,ect...If the local
"just expects " folks to shop there and pay higher prices just to keep him
employed then to bad...I don't have money just to throw away...I suppose we
should be still buying buggy whips to keep buggy whip makers in business???
I doubt locals would pay me more for drywall work just to keep me
employed..They get bids.....And for me to remain competive I have to buy
materials where they are cheaper and are open when I need them...It's called
"capitolism"...Time does not stand still and if they won't change they will
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Personally I beleive many local businesses will never be able to
compete in a price game against large scale operations. Economies of
scale are very biased towards large operations and marketplaces.

The extras that are encompassed in small business pricing are often
intangible. Community, personal service, knowledge, etc. We've all
experienced the loss of personal service and business integrity that
evaporates in an operation that exists by paring costs to the bone.

Whenever possible I give the business to locals, simply because I feel
there is value in the extra few bucks that a product or service may
cost. I know the biz owner isn't getting rich, but I get a better
feeling shopping there than feeding my bucks to the Borg. Call it a
concience tax.

I think small businesses will be headed the way of the Dodo as the
baby boomers fade. People have made their decisions and are living on
artificial wealth, therefore price is king in most marketplaces. Just
don't bitch about missing the goold old days once they're gone.

Used to be "Price, Quality, Service - pick any two". Now it's "Price,
Quality, Service - try for one".

Oh, and by the way, it's CapitAlism ;-)


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"dpb" wrote in message
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals
to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..


OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant
does, either.


As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.


At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.


--


If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive ,


...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or
more in either travel or shipping.


I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. *Yet, now matter how many attempted
to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits
were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued
to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true..
*The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.


The biggest thing that locals have to contend with is few people
actually pause to think. They let all of the big box whatever marketing
* do it for them. You could do a great job but the big outfits can buy
mindshare.

My friends' brother owns a local appliance shop. He is part of a co-op
so he is quite competitive. He and his staff are quite knowledgeable and
will do whatever extra it takes. They also open long hours just like big
box. The problem is big box tells everyone how wonderful they are with
constant marketing and folks simply drive the extra 10 miles to the mall
because locals "must be evil".

Or the local deli in my town. It is a true evil mom & pop place. They
make real soup instead of pouring it out of a bucket and make great subs
on really nice quality rolls baked by a local Italian bakery. I mention
the place whenever I have an opportunity and the usual answer is "but it
isn't subway.." When I think of subway I think consistent mediocrity.
Marketing tells another story.





And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.


If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities,
they can't complain when their community no longer can support the
amenities they would like.


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If Media Ad men had been alive in Shakespeare's time, the quote might
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Ordered two tubes today. *They will come in Friday. *Tubes and installing in
tires ..... $13 plus tax. *These don't go over 5 mph.

Steve


Good choice. I have the exact same situation and have been running
tubes in my cracked tired for the past 4 years without problems. And
I really load my cart down with sand, dirt, and firewood until the
tires run almost flat. I'd estimate 500-600 lbs pulled over uneven
ground. I just take it slow & easy. I almost wish they'd blow so I
can justify a new cart, but they just keep hanging in there.

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That's funny. They are Chinese manufacturers of tires. You probably have to
buy 10,000 tires minimum.


Maybe not! Buy Flat Free tires at Lowe's.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...247&lpage=none

They work even with a framing nail in the tire.
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benick wrote:

"dpb" wrote in message
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to
remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does,
either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--


If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive ,


...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or
more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted
to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits
were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued
to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true.
The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.

And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.

If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities,
they can't complain when their community no longer can support the
amenities they would like.

--


People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper and
don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item
at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the
other end of the same shopping center for $29.95.
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So you consider "Target" a "local retailor" and a Walmart Supercenter
not...LOL...


How in the world did you get that idea? I said nothing of the sort only
that if one of the ilk closes so there's another just down the street in
larger locations--that's not so in smaller markets.

places to eat" because there were no Pizza Hut , KFC , Taco Bell or Micky
Dees..


No, there was essentially every McDoodle known to man; what people
complained about was lack of a place/places with amenities.

folks on the run don't have time to spend a hour or two eating at the
local diner or Chic Hole In The wall Restaurant downtown..


Yet these sameself time-stressed folks will drive 30-miles each way over
staying local? How's that time-efficient, pray tell???

they have to travel out of town to shop anyway...


Which is the other fallacy--they didn't _HAVE_ to travel out of town to
shop; at least until they ceased to support local merchants that had the
same merchandise anyway for which they paid the "privilege" of two or more
additional hours on the road, gas, parking, etc., etc., ... Financially,
it really makes no sense if one were to actually calculate net,
bottom-line cost.

...
for more than just saving mony..They save TIME..No need to run all over
creation to get all that is needed...


That, too, is generally BS ime -- it takes far longer to tramp all over
creation in one of these mega-malls than it does to go to two or three
specific places, get in and out and be gone. I can generally go to one of
the other stores in town, park, get what I want and be gone in the time it
would take to simply get checked out in the Walmart after fighting the
mobs and cart jungle in the parking lot plus the runaway kids...

...You also completely ignored that the downtown stores typically close
at 5 and aren't open on the weekend especially SUNDAY which is now about
the biggest shopping day of the week...I suppose you also long for the
days when it was illegal for stores to be open on Sunday ???


No, they closed early Wednesday afternoon (church night) and all women
were expected to "dress" (included the hat and gloves)...

Frankly, much would be far better off, undoubtedly, yes. There's little
_real_ advantage in hurry-scurry and most folks are rushing nowhere just
like they're continuously on the phone for nothing...

Just out of curiousity, what do _you_ consider "a very small town"???

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600 people , one general store and post office in the woods of
Maine...LOL....



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dpb wrote:

benick wrote:

"dpb" wrote in message
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to
remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does,
either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--

If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive ,


...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or
more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted
to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits
were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued
to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true.
The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.

And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.

If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities,
they can't complain when their community no longer can support the
amenities they would like.

--


People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper and
don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item
at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the
other end of the same shopping center for $29.95.


But you could do ALL your shopping at Walmart , not so at Target...Time is
money....Walmart will MATCH any printed price by the way....

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dpb wrote:

benick wrote:

"dpb" wrote in message
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals to
remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant does,
either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--

If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more expensive ,

...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much or
more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many attempted
to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent habits
were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people continued
to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not true.
The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.

And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.

If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities,
they can't complain when their community no longer can support the
amenities they would like.

--


People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper and
don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item
at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the
other end of the same shopping center for $29.95.


But you could do ALL your shopping at Walmart


No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need
and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to
shop. All are in the same shopping center cluster so time isn't an
issue.

, not so at Target...Time is
money....Walmart will MATCH any printed price by the way....

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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. Low
speed. It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. They are a little dryrotted. Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them
tubeless? Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.

Steve



I'd be ready to replace them with better quality, but from a cost
standpoint and how I used the trailer I'd use the trailer until the
tires fall off.
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"George" wrote in message
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dpb wrote:
benick wrote:

"dpb" wrote in message
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete
you are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for
locals to remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying
power , diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open
on the weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant
does, either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.

At that point most gladly admit they should have been more
aggressive in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--

If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out
to the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot ,
Lowes ,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said
local merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more
expensive ,

...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies
by avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as
much or more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many
attempted to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the
persistent habits were never overcome and none managed to survive and
yet people continued to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it
was definitely not true. The same phenomenon occurred in other retail
trades as well.



The biggest thing that locals have to contend with is few people
actually pause to think. They let all of the big box whatever
marketing do it for them. You could do a great job but the big outfits
can buy mindshare.

My friends' brother owns a local appliance shop. He is part of a co-op
so he is quite competitive. He and his staff are quite knowledgeable
and will do whatever extra it takes. They also open long hours just
like big box. The problem is big box tells everyone how wonderful they
are with constant marketing and folks simply drive the extra 10 miles
to the mall because locals "must be evil".

Or the local deli in my town. It is a true evil mom & pop place. They
make real soup instead of pouring it out of a bucket and make great
subs on really nice quality rolls baked by a local Italian bakery. I
mention the place whenever I have an opportunity and the usual answer
is "but it isn't subway.." When I think of subway I think consistent
mediocrity. Marketing tells another story.



Like I said people don't like running all over creation to get the
things they need...Just because they make great subs or sell competive
appliances doesn't automatically mean they will make it if they are off
the beaten path with a lack of parking and don't advertise


Who said that? I simply remarked how many have become trained to follow
big box without thinking.

....LOCATION ,
LOCATION , LOCATION....Instead you just call shoppers stupid...That
works really good...LOL...


I am not the merchant. I explained the phenomena.
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600 people , one general store and post office in the woods of
Maine...LOL....


Kewl...just a tad bigger here; but no woods...

What else does one really _need_, anyway???

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I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. *Low
speed. *It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. *They are a little dryrotted.
Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use
them
tubeless? *Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're
flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. *I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. *My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. *I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.


Steve


The last time I needed tires for my boat trailer it was cheaper to buy
a tire and wheel from a trailer place than buying a tire and getting
it mounted. Even Northern Tools beats that tire/mount price and we
have a trailer manufacturer who beats NT.


I live in a small community where good deals are a way to keep customers. *I
go to Discount tires because they have fixed about half a dozen flats for
me, and some small ATV remounts where they wouldn't seal, and they just wave
you off when you go to pay. *Of course, I go back when I need tires, and
they have that on record.

I have to go to the big city in the next couple of days, so will take one
and see. *But yeah, it'd be nice to just put two new ones on there, but at
the lowest cost. *I just use this to haul junk, rocks, limbs, sand, etc, so
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The first time I have a flat on such a tire it have a tube put in.
You are not talking about buying the Taj Mahal and the minor cost is
well worth the avoidance of having _another_ flat. Done it on 3 tires
thus far (may have been more) and had no more flats on any of them.

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Maine...LOL....


Kewl...just a tad bigger here; but no woods...

What else does one really _need_, anyway???


Let's see:

- A welding equipment / gas supplier
- A SCUBA shop
- A metal distributor
- An auto parts distributor
- A power equipment dealer
- A building materials dealer
- A construction equipment rental company
- Etc...
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dpb wrote:

benick wrote:

"dpb" wrote in message
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete
you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals
to
remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant
does,
either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.


At that point most gladly admit they should have been more
aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--

If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out
to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more
expensive ,

...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much
or
more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many
attempted
to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent
habits
were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people
continued
to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not
true.
The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.

And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where
it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.

If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities,
they can't complain when their community no longer can support the
amenities they would like.

--

People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper
and
don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item
at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the
other end of the same shopping center for $29.95.


But you could do ALL your shopping at Walmart


No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need
and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to
shop. All are in the same shopping center cluster so time isn't an
issue.

, not so at Target...Time is
money....Walmart will MATCH any printed price by the way....


Fist you said..
". In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the
exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center
for $29.95."
Then you said...
"No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need
and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to shop."

So which is it ?? Do you shop at Walmart or Target ?? Here's what I
think....Your first quote was bull**** just to bash Walmart...You shop at
Target (who carries much the same stuff just on a smaller scale minus the
food and pharmacy )which is fine , but don't make **** up or some ,
including me , will think you suffer with WDS (Walmart Derangement
Syndrome)...

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On Jul 28, 12:59*am, "SteveB" wrote:
I just bought a very small trailer to use behind my ATV for farm use. *Low
speed. *It has 4.00/4.80-8 tires on it. *They are a little dryrotted. *Would
you get some tubes and put them in there, or just get new tires and use them
tubeless? *Trouble I have with tubeless tires is half the time they're flat,
and they can be a booger to seat the bead. *I put some Slime in there, and
once they seal, they're pretty good to go. *My local tire place would
probably put the new tubes in there for the price of the tubes. *I do
business with them, and they usually do flat fixes for free anyway.

Steve


When my father in law passed away I started taking care of the place.
He had a nice riding lawm more but the tires on it were dry rotted and
leaked. Instead of buying new tires I put tubes in them and got nearly
three more years of use out of them.

Jimmie
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benick wrote:
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Not to hijack the thread but if the local business can't compete
you
are only prolonging the agony..Their are plenty of ways for locals
to
remain competive , starting a co-op to increase buying power ,
diversefing products , providing more advice ,being open on the
weekends ect. ,ect..

OTOH, if locals simply get into the habit of either going online or
out of town routinely, it doesn't matter what the local merchant
does,
either.

As for the "agony" part, one soon can learn what real agony is when
there no longer is a local grocery, pharmacy, whatever, entirely.


At that point most gladly admit they should have been more
aggressive
in supporting local merchants but it's too late.

--

If the reason local folk "get in the habit" of going online or out
to
the outskirts to Walmart ,Sears,Target , Cosco , Homedepot , Lowes
,Walgreens , Best Buy , or the mall , ect. is because said local
merchant isn't OPEN , doesn't have the inventory or is more
expensive ,

...
That isn't necessarily the only reason at all...often it is simply a
habit that has become engrained or an attempt to save a few pennies by
avoiding local/state sales taxes; meanwhile actually spending as much
or
more in either travel or shipping.

I used to live in a smaller community just down the road a half-hour
from a larger place--as just one example, people regularly complained
about lack of places to eat in town. Yet, now matter how many
attempted
to cater to that demand over a 10-15 year period, the persistent
habits
were never overcome and none managed to survive and yet people
continued
to complain there was "nowhere in town" when it was definitely not
true.
The same phenomenon occurred in other retail trades as well.

And again, I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of smaller communities
that are, indeed, distant from other markets/larger communities where
it
isn't just another couple of blocks down the street to the next
SuperCenter instead of Target or whatever.

If people aren't willing to support their neighbors and communities,
they can't complain when their community no longer can support the
amenities they would like.

--

People also get trapped in the idea that one place is always cheaper
and
don't bother to validate that. In one recent example, I bought an item
at Target for $22.95 and saw the exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the
other end of the same shopping center for $29.95.

But you could do ALL your shopping at Walmart


No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need
and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to
shop. All are in the same shopping center cluster so time isn't an
issue.

, not so at Target...Time is
money....Walmart will MATCH any printed price by the way....


Fist you said..
". In one recent example, I bought an item at Target for $22.95 and saw the
exact same item in the Wal-Mart at the other end of the same shopping center
for $29.95."
Then you said...
"No, actually, I couldn't. Walmart doesn't carry much of the stuff I need
and Target is a couple buildings closer to the other places I need to shop."

So which is it ?? Do you shop at Walmart or Target ?? Here's what I
think....Your first quote was bull**** just to bash Walmart...You shop at
Target (who carries much the same stuff just on a smaller scale minus the
food and pharmacy )which is fine , but don't make **** up or some ,
including me , will think you suffer with WDS (Walmart Derangement
Syndrome)...


No, neither Walmart nor Target carry much of what I need. Indeed both
are infrequent stops on my shopping runs. Target seems to have pricing
issues as well, while that $22.95 item rang up correctly, another item
was labeled something like $90.89 on the top display shelf, $85.99 on
the lower stock shelf and rang up at $80.49 at the register.
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