I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

On Tue 21 Jul 2009 10:16:06p, Ashton Crusher told us...

I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

Goetle's must be pretty good. I have friends in Glendale, AZ whose home was
also built in the early 1970s (maybe 1971). They also have the original
Goetle AC package unit on the roof, 3 ton. We were talking about it last
week, and while their unit has had regular preventive maintenance, the only
service item the unit has required is additional coolant.

Having said that, they've been considering replacing the unit in order to
upgrade to one that is more efficient.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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At the end of every diet, the path curves back toward the trough.
Mason Cooley

On Jul 22, 12:16*am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. *The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. *Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

What do you pay in electric to cool for one year, 12 years ago we
junked a unit and saved 60% ever since, its paid itself back many
times over, like that 9mpg 350 Chevy Blazer I sold for a 20 mpg car, I
wasted so much money driving that gas hog, money ****ed down the
drain. You AC is inneficent , thats nothing to be proud of.

Van Chocstraw wrote:
ransley wrote:
On Jul 22, 12:16 am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

What do you pay in electric to cool for one year, 12 years ago we
junked a unit and saved 60% ever since, its paid itself back many
times over, like that 9mpg 350 Chevy Blazer I sold for a 20 mpg car, I
wasted so much money driving that gas hog, money ****ed down the
drain. You AC is inneficent , thats nothing to be proud of.

My 2009 pickup gets the same gas mileage as my 1952 Buick Roadmaster.
Now there is American progress.
Hi,
You can't compare an apple to an orange.

On Jul 22, 8:04*am, Van Chocstraw
wrote:
ransley wrote:
On Jul 22, 12:16 am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. *The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. *Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

What do you pay in electric to cool for one year, 12 years ago we
junked a unit and saved 60% ever since, its paid itself back many
times over, like that 9mpg 350 Chevy Blazer I sold for a 20 mpg car, I
wasted so much money driving that gas hog, money ****ed down the
drain. You AC is inneficent , thats nothing to be proud of.

My 2009 pickup gets the same gas mileage as my 1952 Buick Roadmaster.
Now there is American progress.

52 Roadmaster, Dynaflow- straight 8, my 54 Buick was Dynaflow, 12v,
264V8 170 hp with the starter in the floor and switch in the carb. It
got 21hwy, but 8 city. no cat or pollution equipment to reduce milage.

On Jul 22, 8:32*am, ransley wrote:
On Jul 22, 12:16*am, Ashton Crusher wrote:

I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. *The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. *Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

What do you pay in electric to cool for one year, 12 years ago we
junked a unit and saved 60% ever since, its paid itself back many
times over, like that 9mpg 350 Chevy Blazer I sold for a 20 mpg car, I
wasted so much money driving that gas hog, money ****ed down the
drain. You AC is inneficent , thats nothing to be proud of.

This may not be true for AZ. I have a friend out there that has an old
HVAC unit that also uses evaporative cooling. This takes care of most
of his needs. I doubt if any improvement in the compressor driven
section could signifiantly improve overall efficency of the system.

Jimmie

Not sure this qualifies. But, an apartment complex near me.
I took out one of the run capacitors from an old through the
wall unit. the date on the cap was 1962. Suggests the entire
AC mighta been from about that age.

--
Christopher A. Young
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"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
...
I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC
package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. The house was built in 1971 so the unit
is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an
external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the
internal one
burned out. Anyone know of any that are older that have
worked as
hard as this unit?

On Jul 22, 12:54*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE

wrote:
I doubt if any improvement in the compressor driven
section could signifiantly improve overall efficency of the system.

That is not true at all. Old systems had a SEER in the 6-8 range. New
systems are 18 or more.
The biggest improvement usually comes with the new duct work and
getting that air handler out of the attic.

Going from 6- 18 seer might save you 75% in operating costs im guessing

ransley wrote in news:5e65b0f0-7f48-403b-b927-
:

On Jul 22, 12:16*am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. *The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. *Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

What do you pay in electric to cool for one year, 12 years ago we
junked a unit and saved 60% ever since, its paid itself back many
times over, like that 9mpg 350 Chevy Blazer I sold for a 20 mpg car, I
wasted so much money driving that gas hog, money ****ed down the
drain. You AC is inneficent , thats nothing to be proud of.

Yea I had one of those 350's in a pickup topped off with a Holly 4bbl.
Couldn't kill those 350's. Had like 1k lbs of patio stone on it once and
you barely knew it...until you hit the brakes. Tad weak on response :-)

On Jul 22, 8:14*pm, Red Green wrote:
ransley wrote in news:5e65b0f0-7f48-403b-b927-
:

On Jul 22, 12:16*am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. *The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. *Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

What do you pay in electric to cool for one year, 12 years ago we
junked a unit and saved 60% ever since, its paid itself back many
times over, like that 9mpg 350 Chevy Blazer I sold for a 20 mpg car, I
wasted so much money driving that gas hog, money ****ed down the
drain. You AC is inneficent , thats nothing to be proud of.

Yea I had one of those 350's in a pickup topped off with a Holly 4bbl.
Couldn't kill those 350's. Had like 1k lbs of patio stone on it once and
you barely knew it...until you hit the brakes. Tad weak on response :-)

Its to bad the bodies didnt last, salt made them dissapear in front of
your eyes , but it ran forever

Van Chocstraw wrote:

ransley wrote:

On Jul 22, 12:16 am, Ashton Crusher wrote:

I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?


What do you pay in electric to cool for one year, 12 years ago we
junked a unit and saved 60% ever since, its paid itself back many
times over, like that 9mpg 350 Chevy Blazer I sold for a 20 mpg car, I
wasted so much money driving that gas hog, money ****ed down the
drain. You AC is inneficent , thats nothing to be proud of.


My 2009 pickup gets the same gas mileage as my 1952 Buick Roadmaster.
Now there is American progress.

No, there is a good reason for GM to go bankrupt.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:57:08 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

On Tue 21 Jul 2009 10:16:06p, Ashton Crusher told us...

I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

Goetle's must be pretty good. I have friends in Glendale, AZ whose home was
also built in the early 1970s (maybe 1971). They also have the original
Goetle AC package unit on the roof, 3 ton. We were talking about it last
week, and while their unit has had regular preventive maintenance, the only
service item the unit has required is additional coolant.

Having said that, they've been considering replacing the unit in order to
upgrade to one that is more efficient.

Yeah, I would guess it's SEER must be about a 6. Makes me feel bad
for the tenants. I've almost replaced it a couple times but I've
replaced complete units on two other rentals and those "new" ones have
a hard time lasting more then a decade but this old one keeps on
chugging.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:32:50 -0700 (PDT), ransley
wrote:

On Jul 22, 12:16*am, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. *The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. *Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

What do you pay in electric to cool for one year, 12 years ago we
junked a unit and saved 60% ever since, its paid itself back many
times over, like that 9mpg 350 Chevy Blazer I sold for a 20 mpg car, I
wasted so much money driving that gas hog, money ****ed down the
drain. You AC is inneficent , thats nothing to be proud of.


it's on a rental house. Yes, it's inefficient.

Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:57:08 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

On Tue 21 Jul 2009 10:16:06p, Ashton Crusher told us...

I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?
Goetle's must be pretty good. I have friends in Glendale, AZ whose home was
also built in the early 1970s (maybe 1971). They also have the original
Goetle AC package unit on the roof, 3 ton. We were talking about it last
week, and while their unit has had regular preventive maintenance, the only
service item the unit has required is additional coolant.

Having said that, they've been considering replacing the unit in order to
upgrade to one that is more efficient.

Yeah, I would guess it's SEER must be about a 6. Makes me feel bad
for the tenants. I've almost replaced it a couple times but I've
replaced complete units on two other rentals and those "new" ones have
a hard time lasting more then a decade but this old one keeps on
chugging.

An old fellow I knew called me about his early 70's
Carrier condensing unit that had been condemned by
a large HVAC company with shiny new trucks. The only
problem with the unit was a bad condenser fan motor.
When he bought the AC, it was the top of the line most
expensive home AC unit Carrier had at the time. It had
stainless steel hardware, a two speed thermostatically
controlled condenser fan, a built in sight glass, both
high and low pressure switches, a sound insulation cover
over the compressor and an anti short cycle timer.
The thing was built like a tank and I advised against
replacing the old Rolls with a new Hyundai as it were.
I was able to find a two speed motor and make it fit
with a few spacers and the thing is still going strong
today after five years with no other repairs. The neat
thing about the old unit is the condenser fan switches
to low speed at night when the outside temperature
drops and it is very quiet.

TDD

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
...
I've got a house in Phoenix with the original Goetle AC package unit
on the roof, 3 ton. The house was built in 1971 so the unit is 38
years old. The condenser fan was replaced 4 times and an external
crankcase heater was strapped to it 25 years ago when the internal one
burned out. Anyone know of any that are older that have worked as
hard as this unit?

GE Unit installed in 1973. Only maintence each year is to clean it out,
vacuum all the junk that worked itself in during the winter, oil the fan
motor and run about 2 gallons of a water and bleach mixture onto the
evaporator tray and let it run out. Fingers crossed, but have never needed
a service call or parts replacement. No doubt that it isn't very efficient
anymore, uses more electricity than one of the newer ones---but here in
Mass, use of the AC is not a full time need and mine only runs if the
temperature and humidity get oppressive. This year we are having the
"summer that never was" and my AC has only been on two times and for a few
hours each.
MLD