I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424

"James" wrote in message
...
I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably deteriorates
the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws prohibiting it's use,
but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of heating oil from an above ground
tank to an underground tank each year for about five years now, using a
cheap garden hose and a gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out
for problems while the transfer is going on

"RBM" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the
one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this
purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably deteriorates
the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws prohibiting it's use,
but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of heating oil from an above
ground tank to an underground tank each year for about five years now,
using a cheap garden hose and a gear pump. I just make sure to keep a
close eye out for problems while the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out for that
you can actually solve after you visually note them happening?

jc

"Joe" wrote in message
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"RBM" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50
ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the
one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this
purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably deteriorates
the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws prohibiting it's use,
but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of heating oil from an above
ground tank to an underground tank each year for about five years now,
using a cheap garden hose and a gear pump. I just make sure to keep a
close eye out for problems while the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out for that
you can actually solve after you visually note them happening?

jc
blown hose, or any leaks

"Joe" wrote in
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"RBM" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank
50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like
the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this
purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...roduct_6970_20
0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a gear
pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems while the
transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out for
that you can actually solve after you visually note them happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

"Red Green" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in
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"RBM" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
...
I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank
50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like
the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this
purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...roduct_6970_20
0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a gear
pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems while the
transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out for
that you can actually solve after you visually note them happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector checking the
type of hose you're using, it time to move

"RBM" wrote in :


"Red Green" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in
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"RBM" wrote in message
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"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank
50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like
the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this
purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w.../product_6970_
20 0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a gear
pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems while
the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the ground...tank or
not.

on 5/10/2009 3:01 PM (ET) James wrote the following:
I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424

You need a polyurethane hose that can handle gasoline or oil. Available
at the big box stores in cut-to-length rolls.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Why not a pvc line?
just curious....
john
"James" wrote in message
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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424

not sure if I could roll up a pvc line for storage when I am not using it...

the advice of a polyurathane hose is good, but I think 50 feet will be
quite expensive

James

On 5/10/2009 2:17 PM James spake thus:

not sure if I could roll up a pvc line for storage when I am not using it...

the advice of a polyurathane hose is good, but I think 50 feet will be
quite expensive

So what is the inside of ordinary garden hose made of? Sheesh, I'll bet
that whatever it is, it's plenty resistant to petroleum products such as
what you're pumping (despite the possibility that it's "not approved"
for such use).


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Kill Yourself

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On May 10, 3:01*pm, "James" wrote:
I need to transfer K1 *kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank *50 ft
away. * I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is *$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, *3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? *This hose would be used ***only** *for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...roduct_6970_20...

You could always try getting a sample piece of hose and soaking in
kerosine for a couple of days to see if it swells, dissolves or
degrades.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 16:44:28 -0700 (PDT), Frank
wrote:

On May 10, 3:01*pm, "James" wrote:
I need to transfer K1 *kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank *50 ft
away. * I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is *$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, *3/4 inch hose like the one

Or a cheap one. What do commerical grade water hoses have that cheap
grade don't?

shown in this link ? *This hose would be used ***only** *for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.


You could always try getting a sample piece of hose and soaking in
kerosine for a couple of days to see if it swells, dissolves or
degrades.

Good idea.

It might work. Hose is rather special stuff, and plastics/rubber can
swell and fail very quickly in petroleum service. I think there is a
good reason a proper hose costs a bit of money..for the required
materials. I'd recommend getting hose certified for your service.

If you choose water hose then please let us know what happens

EJ in NJ

James wrote:
I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424

On Sun, 10 May 2009 15:01:23 -0400, "James"
wrote:

I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424


It would help to know what the hose is made of. The pictured black
hose may be made of nitrile rubber. If so it has excellent chemical
compatibility to kerosene.

First of all, how much fuel, how often? Are a couple of trips with a 5
gallon can realistic or are we talking hundreds/thousands of gallons?

Next, is there any possibility of getting the trailer closer?

If all else fails, you could buy fuel line from an auto store for $1-2
a foot, and I'd bet you could probably order it for a bit less.

75 gallons, twice a year. Can't drive a car down the mountain side to the
tank. Can get within 50 feet.

I thank everyone for their comments. I plan to try the garden hose, and
monitor its condition from year to year, and always monitor when I am
pumping , to assure there are no leaks, etc. I am in a remote place in the
mountains, and most inspectors could not find their way home if they ever
got to this place. Hee hee

Thanks again everyone.

james

A couple thoughts come to mind. First, you don't want to
collapse the hose, and cut off your siphon action. I'd
suggest to build a tube out of PVC, and a couple elbows on
top, so that the garden hose doesn't have to go around a
corner. So the hose doesn't collapse flat. Make a "shephards
crook". You can adapt PVC to pipe thread with plastic
adaptors, and then to garden hose thread. Stick the crook /
cane tube into your tank. Use a shop vac or something
similar to start the siphon action.

I don't really know for sure. But maybe you can use a shop
vac to blow some air through the garden hose. Dry it out
when you're done. So the kerosene isn't in there, softening
the rubber in betweeen times.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"James" wrote in message
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75 gallons, twice a year. Can't drive a car down the
mountain side to the
tank. Can get within 50 feet.

I thank everyone for their comments. I plan to try the
garden hose, and
monitor its condition from year to year, and always monitor
when I am
pumping , to assure there are no leaks, etc. I am in a
remote place in the
mountains, and most inspectors could not find their way home
if they ever
got to this place. Hee hee

Thanks again everyone.

james

good ideas Christopher.....

James

Maybe a gas pump, 12 volt, for transferring small ammounts
of liquid. And then pump it through neoprene gas line.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Larry The Snake Guy" wrote in message
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First of all, how much fuel, how often? Are a couple of
trips with a 5
gallon can realistic or are we talking hundreds/thousands of
gallons?

Next, is there any possibility of getting the trailer
closer?

If all else fails, you could buy fuel line from an auto
store for $1-2
a foot, and I'd bet you could probably order it for a bit
less.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 15:01:23 -0400, "James"
wrote:

I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424


It would help to know what the hose is made of. The pictured black
hose may be made of EPDM rubber. If so it not recommended to use
with kerosene.

James wrote:
I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank
50 ft away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length
is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like
the one shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for
this purpose, and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424


It's interesting to contemplate why someone would even ask this question.

Why ?

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It's interesting to contemplate why someone would even ask this question.

James wrote:
Why ?

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It's interesting to contemplate why someone would even ask this question.


Usually you just call someone and they show up with a tank truck with a
pump and a hose on a hose reel all designed to dispense liquid fuels
into your tank.

on 5/12/2009 7:33 AM (ET) George wrote the following:
James wrote:
Why ?

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It's interesting to contemplate why someone would even ask this
question.


Usually you just call someone and they show up with a tank truck with
a pump and a hose on a hose reel all designed to dispense liquid fuels
into your tank.

Then you have to pay for delivery. It's cheaper to go get it yourself.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

George, you haven't seen where this mountain property is located. If you
did, you would seek to cancel your message. Otherwise, it would make sense.
Fuel trucks don't go up there, not for a million dollars.

James

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Usually you just call someone and they show up with a tank truck with a
pump and a hose on a hose reel all designed to dispense liquid fuels
into your tank.

I have been following this thread and would like to wade in.
I had been working with equipment proffesionally installed, with rubber
hoses approved for the fluid in use, when after the years the hoses broke
down shedding pieces. In this case the chunks destroyed about a million
dolars of calibration equipment. Amazin how hard it is to find about a
hundred small rubber chunks in a room size machine.
I would suggest checking the hose before and after use, and soaking then
scraping some small section to make sure than it is still sound.
So do you have a mechanical filter in place in the line? I will assume a jet
clog of other clog will not be trivial to fix.
"James" wrote in message
...
I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length is
$200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...8424_200218424

Yes Kansas, there is a filter on the 12 volt pump, and I also have a filter
on my big oil tank, before it goes into the house.

James