Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary

"G Mulcaster" wrote in message
...
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary


I can say that based on three years of use, no.

G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary


Most likely, yes. It's a weak acid and will react with the cement and
possibly the aggregate. I'd try to find another solution. (intended)

Mike Paulsen wrote:
G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.
Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary


Most likely, yes. It's a weak acid and will react with the cement and
possibly the aggregate. I'd try to find another solution. (intended)
Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

On Apr 25, 6:08*pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
snip
Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

Well, if it isn't acidic, then it isn't vinegar. Vinegar is a weak (~
5%) solution of acetic acid in water. Some types may have various
"flavourings" in addition, but it is the acid that makes it vinegar.

High school chemistry class strikes again!

Chris

wrote:
On Apr 25, 6:08 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
snip
Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

Well, if it isn't acidic, then it isn't vinegar. Vinegar is a weak (~
5%) solution of acetic acid in water. Some types may have various
"flavourings" in addition, but it is the acid that makes it vinegar.

High school chemistry class strikes again!

Chris

Hmmm,
When you have a heart burn due to too much stomach acid; acid refulux,
take some apple cider vinegar what happens? No heart burn! You can tell
from taste whether it is acidic or alkaline. Another example? Orange is
acidic, lemon is not.
Junior high science class strikes again!!

Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 25, 6:08 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
snip
Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

Well, if it isn't acidic, then it isn't vinegar. Vinegar is a weak (~
5%) solution of acetic acid in water. Some types may have various
"flavourings" in addition, but it is the acid that makes it vinegar.

High school chemistry class strikes again!

Chris

Hmmm,
When you have a heart burn due to too much stomach acid; acid refulux,
take some apple cider vinegar what happens? No heart burn! You can tell
from taste whether it is acidic or alkaline. Another example? Orange is
acidic, lemon is not.

Not so. All citrus has ascorbic acid.

Junior high science class strikes again!!

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:27:54 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

Orange is
acidic, lemon is not.

Ever get a squirt of lemon juice in your eye? It burns, thus acidic.

Watch out for paper cuts on the fingers and lemon juice...it burns
also!

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Apr 25, 6:08 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
snip
Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

Well, if it isn't acidic, then it isn't vinegar. Vinegar is a weak (~
5%) solution of acetic acid in water. Some types may have various
"flavourings" in addition, but it is the acid that makes it vinegar.

High school chemistry class strikes again!

Chris

Hmmm,
When you have a heart burn due to too much stomach acid; acid refulux,
take some apple cider vinegar what happens? No heart burn! You can tell
from taste whether it is acidic or alkaline. Another example? Orange is
acidic, lemon is not.
Junior high science class strikes again!!

Sorry but vinegar is acidic or it's not vinegar. BTW: Vinegar is more acidic
than acid rain. So, yes, eventually it will eat away at even cement.

od

Mix some of that apple cider vinegar wtih baking soda. See
if it bubbles. I'd have to guess it does.

So, you add some more vinegar acid to your stomach, and the
natural acid protection kicks in. Proving what?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
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Hmmm,
When you have a heart burn due to too much stomach acid;
acid refulux,
take some apple cider vinegar what happens? No heart burn!
You can tell
from taste whether it is acidic or alkaline. Another
example? Orange is
acidic, lemon is not.
Junior high science class strikes again!!

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:27:54 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote Re Does vinegar harm cement paving bricks?:

wrote:
On Apr 25, 6:08 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
snip
Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

Well, if it isn't acidic, then it isn't vinegar. Vinegar is a weak (~
5%) solution of acetic acid in water. Some types may have various
"flavourings" in addition, but it is the acid that makes it vinegar.

High school chemistry class strikes again!

Chris

Hmmm,
When you have a heart burn due to too much stomach acid; acid refulux,
take some apple cider vinegar what happens? No heart burn! You can tell
from taste whether it is acidic or alkaline. Another example? Orange is
acidic, lemon is not.
Junior high science class strikes again!!

Wow dude. You don't know sh*t about chemistry.

Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 25, 6:08 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
snip
Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

Well, if it isn't acidic, then it isn't vinegar. Vinegar is a weak
(~ 5%) solution of acetic acid in water. Some types may have various
"flavourings" in addition, but it is the acid that makes it vinegar.

High school chemistry class strikes again!

Chris

Hmmm,
When you have a heart burn due to too much stomach acid; acid refulux,
take some apple cider vinegar what happens? No heart burn! You can
tell from taste whether it is acidic or alkaline. Another example?
Orange is acidic, lemon is not.
Junior high science class strikes again!!

Vinegar is acidic. Try testing with litmus paper. Or bicarbonate of soda.

Common sense prevails.

dadiOH

Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 25, 6:08 pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
snip
Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

Well, if it isn't acidic, then it isn't vinegar. Vinegar is a weak
(~ 5%) solution of acetic acid in water. Some types may have
various "flavourings" in addition, but it is the acid that makes it
vinegar. High school chemistry class strikes again!

Chris

Hmmm,
When you have a heart burn due to too much stomach acid; acid refulux,
take some apple cider vinegar what happens? No heart burn! You can
tell from taste whether it is acidic or alkaline. Another example?
Orange is acidic, lemon is not.
Junior high science class strikes again!!

How much bad information can one thread contain. Lemons ARE acidic. Apple
cider vinegar IS acidic. Heartburn is not caused by too much acid but the
acid being pushed above the stomach onto sensitive tissues. Many people
don't have enough acid in the stomach to digest properly, and that can cause
heartburn, taking antacids can feel better because of less acid to cause
pain, but will hinder proper digestion further.

I'm fairly sure vinegar contains acetic acid. Which may very
well react wtih the paving.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
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Hmmm,
Organic vinegar such as apple cider vinegar is not acidic!

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:47:37 -0700, G Mulcaster
wrote:

Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?


I use vinegar to clean hard water stains off of cement block walls. We
have hard water -- calcium leaches into the block. It is mild, and
after a short soak and scrub I rinse it off. A power washer would
cause more damage.

["It’s easy to see why vinegar has been around for thousands of
years—it has 1001 uses! From cooking and cleaning with vinegar, to
gardening and home remedies, white distilled vinegar is one of the
most versatile—and economical—products you can have on hand."]

http://www.vinegartips.com/

"Oren" wrote in message
...
["It's easy to see why vinegar has been around for thousands of
years-it has 1001 uses! From cooking and cleaning with vinegar, to
gardening and home remedies, white distilled vinegar is one of the
most versatile-and economical-products you can have on hand."]

http://www.vinegartips.com/

Thanks for the useful link!

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:47:37 -0700, G Mulcaster
wrote:

Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary


Probably, but maybe to an extent you would not notice. Vinegar on
limestone makes it bubble carbon dioxide.

G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Being acidic, it *does* attack them; however, weak as it is, it would take
many, many applications to notice anything.

You can kill the moss with a dilute solution of chlorox, don't know if it
does weeds too. Salt - table or rock - should do the weeds and keep them
out for a while once it is watered in, maybe moss too. And as a last
resort, there is always Round-Up

dadiOH

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:33:50 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Being acidic, it *does* attack them; however, weak as it is, it would take
many, many applications to notice anything.

You can kill the moss with a dilute solution of chlorox, don't know if it
does weeds too. Salt - table or rock - should do the weeds and keep them
out for a while once it is watered in, maybe moss too. And as a last
resort, there is always Round-Up

dadiOH


Why is Roundup a "last resort"? It's very safe stuff, and quickly
breaks down harmlessly after doing it's job. It's even approved for
use with food crops. The only caution on the most concentrated version
is that it is an eye irritant. Apparently it's safe to drink right out
of the bottle, as there are no cautions whatsoever against it.

Safer than Clorox.

wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:33:50 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Being acidic, it *does* attack them; however, weak as it is, it
would take many, many applications to notice anything.

You can kill the moss with a dilute solution of chlorox, don't know
if it does weeds too. Salt - table or rock - should do the weeds
and keep them out for a while once it is watered in, maybe moss too.
And as a last resort, there is always Round-Up

dadiOH


Why is Roundup a "last resort"?

Think "tongue in cheek".

dadiOH

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:33:50 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Being acidic, it *does* attack them; however, weak as it is, it would take
many, many applications to notice anything.

You can kill the moss with a dilute solution of chlorox, don't know if it
does weeds too. Salt - table or rock - should do the weeds and keep them
out for a while once it is watered in, maybe moss too. And as a last
resort, there is always Round-Up

dadiOH



Salt or Chlorox are more hazardous than RoundUp. Salt is probably the
worse chemical to use if you are trying to protect nearby plants. Put
a layer of lime over moss to control it.

"G Mulcaster" wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

You are using the wrong chemicals. Use glyphosphate for the weeds and a
zinc formula for the moss; both are available as a concentrate to be mixed
with water and applied in accordance with the instructions. Both are safe
if used appropriately.

Trying to use folksy home remedies is going to cause more problems in the
long run than just using the proper, modern solution the first time.

Jon

On Apr 26, 11:27*am, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:
"G Mulcaster" wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

You are using the wrong chemicals. *Use glyphosphate for the weeds and a
zinc formula for the moss; both are available as a concentrate to be mixed
with water and applied in accordance with the instructions. *Both are safe
if used appropriately.

Trying to use folksy home remedies is going to cause more problems in the
long run than just using the proper, modern solution the first time.

Jon

Also he could probably need some lime added to his yard. Sounds like
it may be acidic and the vinegar is just making it worse in the long
run. Yards in southern states are rarely too alkiline. When I moved
into my current home I had a soil test done to see how much lime I
needed. It was so acidic I had to spread a truck load on it , wait a
year then check again to see how much more I would need.

Jimmie

All the chemists aside, I doubt the vinegar, used occasionally in this
manner, would be any more damaging than the normal pollutants in the air or
rain. If it's worked for 3 years with no noticeable impact you are probably
safe to continue.

"G Mulcaster" wrote in message
...
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary

"Mark" wrote in
:

All the chemists aside, I doubt the vinegar, used occasionally in this
manner, would be any more damaging than the normal pollutants in the
air or rain. If it's worked for 3 years with no noticeable impact you
are probably safe to continue.

Possibly safe, but if used too often, accumulating acid may (I said may)
eventually cause harm to vegetation or concrete.
YMMV snicker

--
Best regards
Han
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:47:37 -0700, G Mulcaster
wrote:

Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary

Thanks to everyone for your responses. On balance, it would appear
that vinegar is not the solution to use.

Time to come up with a plan "B".

Regards, Gary

G Mulcaster wrote in
:

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:47:37 -0700, G Mulcaster
wrote:

Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary

Thanks to everyone for your responses. On balance, it would appear
that vinegar is not the solution to use.

Time to come up with a plan "B".

Regards, Gary

Plan "B": Boiling water, just pour, but it should really be as close to
boiling as you can get it there.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Apr 28, 9:03*pm, G Mulcaster wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:47:37 -0700, G Mulcaster

wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary

Thanks to everyone for your responses. *On balance, it would appear
that vinegar is not the solution to use.

Time to come up with a plan "B".

Regards, Gary

Vinegar wont hurt anything, it evaporates to quickly and changes from
acid to neutral its interaction, even Muriatic evaporates and looses
its efectivness fast, it doesnt have the time necessary to do anything
but clean the top layer. In stone cleaniing after 5 minutes with
muriatic I find its done its job its deactivated mostly so you wash it
off

So this thread is real old.... I left 3 containers of white vinegar in a smooth paved garage over winter. Non of them busted that I could see but the vinegar must have leaked because the concrete has lightened in color and there are hundreds of small holes where it has begun to break down the concrete. (Only where the bottles were) The question I guess would remain... How much vinegar and how long. Vinegar does in fact ruin concrete, use at own risk..

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 11:36:30 PM UTC-5, wrote:
So this thread is real old.... I left 3 containers of white vinegar in a smooth paved garage over winter. Non of them busted that I could see but the vinegar must have leaked because the concrete has lightened in color and there are hundreds of small holes where it has begun to break down the concrete. (Only where the bottles were) The question I guess would remain... How much vinegar and how long. Vinegar does in fact ruin concrete, use at own risk..

I wonder how vinegar would affect my hot tub time machine? ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Time Monster

On Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 2:47:37 PM UTC-4, G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary

On Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 7:47:37 PM UTC+1, G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary

On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 7:47:37 PM UTC+1, G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary
You've been using it for 3 years - have you seen any problems?? It's
5% acetic acid straight from the bottle - not enough to etch
concrete.

On Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 7:47:37 PM UTC+1, G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; , does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary


oh DEAR , YOU all need to be sure of your chemistry before you go gabbling on (
with scanty knowledge . The words STRONG and WEAK have specific meanings in chemistry which are not the same meanings as in everyday use. Really don't understand the bit about" organic" CIDER vinegar nor being acidic . I would bet money that it is ! ( retired college chemistry lecturer (

On Saturday, 25 April 2009 14:47:37 UTC-4, G Mulcaster wrote:
Over the last three years I've been spraying strength vinegar on my
cement based pavers to kill moss and weeds.

Works well; however, does vinegar harm cement based pavers?

Thanks, Gary

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