On Jan 21, 10:23*am, "Pete C." wrote:
SteveB wrote:

"Pete C." wrote

You of course do know that all the manufacturers of professional grade
chain saws make compact abborist models designed for single handed
operation...

Please post a picture of such. *All the saws I have seen, including the
small electrics have a place for BOTH hands to rest. *Oh, yes, I imagine one
COULD operate them one handed, and those guys are usually have nicknames
like Stumpy and Lefty. *The Shindaiwa you posted has a place for two hands,
and even a spring loaded safety brake just like a real chain saw.

Steve

It has the second handle, since you should use it when conditions allow,
however the top handle and balance is intended to allow one handed
operation as is often required when working up in a tree. The lawyer
required warnings of course warn against that, but everyone knows what
the saw is designed for.

To keep repeating BS does not change it to gold.

Harry K

"Pete C." wrote in message
ster.com...

SteveB wrote:

"Pete C." wrote

You of course do know that all the manufacturers of professional grade
chain saws make compact abborist models designed for single handed
operation...

Please post a picture of such. All the saws I have seen, including the
small electrics have a place for BOTH hands to rest. Oh, yes, I imagine
one
COULD operate them one handed, and those guys are usually have nicknames
like Stumpy and Lefty. The Shindaiwa you posted has a place for two
hands,
and even a spring loaded safety brake just like a real chain saw.

Steve

It has the second handle, since you should use it when conditions allow,
however the top handle and balance is intended to allow one handed
operation as is often required when working up in a tree. The lawyer
required warnings of course warn against that, but everyone knows what
the saw is designed for.

If everyone knew what the saw was designed for, we would have no lawyers.

Steve

"Pete C." wrote in message
ster.com...

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-
I'd love to see the manual that says 'so light you can use it with one
hand'. OTOH- 30 years ago I one handed my 16" Poulan on occasion &
still have all my parts. [and on yet another hand- my neighbor
survived a 2-handed kickback that split his face from lower jaw to
forehead and all he's got to show for it is a new nose, a great scar,
and a appreciation for a liquid diet for several months]

http://www.shindaiwa.com/nam/en/prod...insaws/357.php

Could you show me in the manual how they suggest you operate that saw
with one hand?

Jim
[I wanted to point you to their warnings which I imagine are there-
but shindaiwa doesn't seem to put their manuals online.
Here's the manual for Stihl's MS192T - another top handle arborist
saw- 3 pounds lighter than the Shindaiwa
http://www.stihlusa.com/stihl_owners...92T_Manual.pdf
60 English pages;;
p3 "Do not operate a chainsaw with one hand. Serious injury to the
operator, helpers, bystanders, or any combination of these persons may
result from one handed operation. a chainsaw is intended for
two-handed use."
p4 "keep a good firm grip on the saw with both hands"
p11 "Never attempt to operate the saw with one hand."
"Always hold the saw firmly with both hands"
"To reduce the risk of serious injury to the operator or
bystanders, never use saw with one hand."
p12 "This rule against one handed operation applies also for those
compact saws for use in confined spaces."
p17 "Hold the saw firmly with both hands"

Seems fairly clear-- the manufacturer would like you to use 2 hands.]

No, the manufacturer's lawyers require them to include that language.
The professionals using that saw in the real world (some place lawyers
are afraid to venture) know how to use the saw properly. It's the same
reason that all chain saws come with useless anti-kickback chains which
the pros throw out and replace with the professional grade
non-anti-kickback chains that actually work and come in a package with
47,000 lawyer required warnings on it.

Well, Pete, et al. Do whatever you wish. I know the safety practices I use
when using my chain saws. YMM(and probably does)V.

Steve

On Jan 21, 8:22*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:46:54 -0800 (PST), ransley





wrote:
On Jan 20, 5:28*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:58:58 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 19, 7:48*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:32:18 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 19, 4:49*am, "joe" wrote:
anyone with a recommendation for a small, arborist style chainsaw? the goal is the be
able to operate it in small spaces with one hand.

please suggest also an online web store, if you know of any that sell Stihl or
Husqvarna.

am aware of the Stihl 192T which appears to be little under 7 lbs but am willing to
look at alternatives.

My dealer sells those two but says Echo now has a better motor, he
bases it on repairs he makes. I was looking for trimmers and blowers,
I know saws are different and the motor is only part of it and I am
not familiar with saws just refering to the engines. But local Echo
has a 3 or 5 yr warranty.

No, Echo is cheaper and everyone knows thats all you ever look at
ransley.
Because you are a cheap ******* and I might ad that the thought of you
with a chainsaw in your hands is downright scary.
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What a screwball-nutcase you are. I buy what is best and Echos motors
are best bottleboy.

No, you are a tight wad.....period. You buy what is cheapest and Echo
is definitely cheaper.
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I wonder how much business you loose from posting crap. Echo last
longer moron.

"business I lose"?? You flippin moron. You dont actually think I
solicit business here do you? You really are a stupid little girl.
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I see you DEMAND, your posts are deleted here after 6 days, you are so
embaresssed yr a hack boi crack
head............................................Jo ke as it
is................................................ ...............

On Jan 21, 8:22*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:46:54 -0800 (PST), ransley





wrote:
On Jan 20, 5:28*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:58:58 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 19, 7:48*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:32:18 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 19, 4:49*am, "joe" wrote:
anyone with a recommendation for a small, arborist style chainsaw? the goal is the be
able to operate it in small spaces with one hand.

please suggest also an online web store, if you know of any that sell Stihl or
Husqvarna.

am aware of the Stihl 192T which appears to be little under 7 lbs but am willing to
look at alternatives.

My dealer sells those two but says Echo now has a better motor, he
bases it on repairs he makes. I was looking for trimmers and blowers,
I know saws are different and the motor is only part of it and I am
not familiar with saws just refering to the engines. But local Echo
has a 3 or 5 yr warranty.

No, Echo is cheaper and everyone knows thats all you ever look at
ransley.
Because you are a cheap ******* and I might ad that the thought of you
with a chainsaw in your hands is downright scary.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What a screwball-nutcase you are. I buy what is best and Echos motors
are best bottleboy.

No, you are a tight wad.....period. You buy what is cheapest and Echo
is definitely cheaper.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wonder how much business you loose from posting crap. Echo last
longer moron.

"business I lose"?? You flippin moron. You dont actually think I
solicit business here do you? You really are a stupid little girl.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

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No, here you just loose it all........whayywrfafasbshtefwetqwuy. This
is BUBBA, Trash...

SteveB wrote:
Don't tell me......... you lost your other hand in a chain saw accident.

no, I lost it overseas in Afghanistan

"joe" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
Don't tell me......... you lost your other hand in a chain saw accident.

no, I lost it overseas in Afghanistan

Well, take good care of the one you have left.

Steve

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:57:39 +0200, "joe" wrote:

SteveB wrote:
Don't tell me......... you lost your other hand in a chain saw accident.

no, I lost it overseas in Afghanistan

You're starting to smell like a troll - and if you are, then FOAD.

But if you're not, then you've already learned the first big lesson of
life; "**** *can* happen to me."

With that in mind, then heed the good advice you've gotten here to
only use a chainsaw with 2 hands. In your case you'll need a
prosthetic of some sort- but I'll bet if you ask around a bit you can
either find another vet who has already overcome that hurdle- or a
machinist and healthcare team who will enjoy the challenge.
[and if you can't- email me and I'll see what I can do]

Jim

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:57:39 +0200, "joe" wrote:

SteveB wrote:
Don't tell me......... you lost your other hand in a chain saw accident.

no, I lost it overseas in Afghanistan

You're starting to smell like a troll - and if you are, then FOAD.

But if you're not, then you've already learned the first big lesson of
life; "**** *can* happen to me."

With that in mind, then heed the good advice you've gotten here to
only use a chainsaw with 2 hands. In your case you'll need a
prosthetic of some sort- but I'll bet if you ask around a bit you can
either find another vet who has already overcome that hurdle- or a
machinist and healthcare team who will enjoy the challenge.
[and if you can't- email me and I'll see what I can do]

Jim

I watch that show about the loggers in Oregon. There's the one fellow who
owns a company, and who has been logging all his life. And he has one hell
of a bunch of scars and stumps. And I've watched him in the TV videos of
him cutting and working with his prosthesis.

So, yeah, go for it. But to me, a one hand chainsaw just sounds a little
trollful.

Steve

On Jan 22, 7:26*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:05:34 -0800 (PST), ransley





wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:22*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:46:54 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 20, 5:28*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:58:58 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 19, 7:48*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:32:18 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 19, 4:49*am, "joe" wrote:
anyone with a recommendation for a small, arborist style chainsaw? the goal is the be
able to operate it in small spaces with one hand.

please suggest also an online web store, if you know of any that sell Stihl or
Husqvarna.

am aware of the Stihl 192T which appears to be little under 7 lbs but am willing to
look at alternatives.

My dealer sells those two but says Echo now has a better motor, he
bases it on repairs he makes. I was looking for trimmers and blowers,
I know saws are different and the motor is only part of it and I am
not familiar with saws just refering to the engines. But local Echo
has a 3 or 5 yr warranty.

No, Echo is cheaper and everyone knows thats all you ever look at
ransley.
Because you are a cheap ******* and I might ad that the thought of you
with a chainsaw in your hands is downright scary.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What a screwball-nutcase you are. I buy what is best and Echos motors
are best bottleboy.

No, you are a tight wad.....period. You buy what is cheapest and Echo
is definitely cheaper.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wonder how much business you loose from posting crap. Echo last
longer moron.

"business I lose"?? You flippin moron. You dont actually think I
solicit business here do you? You really are a stupid little girl.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

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No, here you just loose it all........whayywrfafasbshtefwetqwuy. *This
is BUBBA, Trash...

Once again, you prove you cant read nor comprehend. Never have and
never will solicit business on a newsgroup.
Nit-wit and a pinhead. You should just go bash your head in now.
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Anybody reading you wont hire you. You loose business, unless all your
customers dont have computers which would not be suprising.

On Jan 23, 8:08*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:50:15 -0800 (PST), ransley





wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:26*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:05:34 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:22*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:46:54 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 20, 5:28*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:58:58 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 19, 7:48*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:32:18 -0800 (PST), ransley

wrote:
On Jan 19, 4:49*am, "joe" wrote:
anyone with a recommendation for a small, arborist style chainsaw? the goal is the be
able to operate it in small spaces with one hand.

please suggest also an online web store, if you know of any that sell Stihl or
Husqvarna.

am aware of the Stihl 192T which appears to be little under 7 lbs but am willing to
look at alternatives.

My dealer sells those two but says Echo now has a better motor, he
bases it on repairs he makes. I was looking for trimmers and blowers,
I know saws are different and the motor is only part of it and I am
not familiar with saws just refering to the engines. But local Echo
has a 3 or 5 yr warranty.

No, Echo is cheaper and everyone knows thats all you ever look at
ransley.
Because you are a cheap ******* and I might ad that the thought of you
with a chainsaw in your hands is downright scary.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What a screwball-nutcase you are. I buy what is best and Echos motors
are best bottleboy.

No, you are a tight wad.....period. You buy what is cheapest and Echo
is definitely cheaper.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wonder how much business you loose from posting crap. Echo last
longer moron.

"business I lose"?? You flippin moron. You dont actually think I
solicit business here do you? You really are a stupid little girl.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, here you just loose it all........whayywrfafasbshtefwetqwuy. *This
is BUBBA, Trash...

Once again, you prove you cant read nor comprehend. Never have and
never will solicit business on a newsgroup.
Nit-wit and a pinhead. You should just go bash your head in now.
Bubba- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anybody reading you wont hire you. You loose business, unless all your
customers dont have computers which would not be suprising.

You just dont get it, do you? You really should learn to read and
learn to comprehend.
Where have I ever stated where I work or what company I own?
Its never happened. I dont solicit business here you bonehead.
I just make fun of complete ****ing idiots like you. You really are
quite the pull toy for my enjoyment. I hope you like being drug around
by your gonads the way I treat you.
Bite me you bone head.
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Bla Bla bla, bubba had a busisness, it went broke, Bubba ****ed of
customers....