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It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get
away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That’s all it took. My neighbor’s system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor’s system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. |
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"Twice Retired" wrote in message ... It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That’s all it took. My neighbor’s system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor’s system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. There are shady people doing business in every field that exists. You, as an individual must take responsibility, and be your own advocate, regardless if it's a trip to the dentist, or buying a swimming pool. Unfortunately, in our over-regulated society, we're being brought up to believe that "others" are responsible for our well being, that if I can stick my fingers in the fan blade, someone didn't build it right, that if I manage to fall off of my ladder, it's the manufacturer's fault. How does someone have construction done, of the magnitude that the taxes on the real property will increase, like a swimming pool, and not get the particulars from whatever local, county, or state agency is in charge? Yes, there are plenty of thieves out there, but it sounds like these folks invited them in, and opened the safe |
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"Twice Retired" wrote in message ... It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That’s all it took. My neighbor’s system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor’s system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. I frequently meet customers who tell me up front that they don't want permits or inspections on any work being done. I actually have to sell them on the virtues of having a third party inspect the work. |
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On Oct 1, 7:51*am, "John Grabowski" wrote:
"Twice Retired" wrote in message ... It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections.. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That’s all it took. My neighbor’s system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. |
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Twice Retired wrote:
It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. (snip) Sometimes it's too easy: Ten years ago, a builder put up three large homes on adjacent lots near me. It appears that all three were sold either before construction began, or soon after. Work proceeded on all three in parallel until the buildings were weatherproof: roofing, siding, doors and windows installed. Then the builder declared bankruptcy and walked away. There are no sewers on the street (the several existing homes have septic). Since a septic system is no longer allowed in new construction, these homes are uninhabitable. The owners had long and totally unproductive discussions with the city about extending sewers to this street. Now the homes stand unfinished and abandoned. I don't know whether the builder got permits or not. Either way, three homeowners saw their dreams turn into a nightmare. |
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wrote in message news  On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:52:08 -0400, Bryce wrote: There are no sewers on the street (the several existing homes have septic). Since a septic system is no longer allowed in new construction, these homes are uninhabitable. The owners had long and totally unproductive discussions with the city about extending sewers to this street. Now the homes stand unfinished and abandoned. How did they ever get permitting without a plan for the septic or sewer?That usually happens before you can even submit your building plan, in the zoning process. Can yew spell troll? I knew yew could. Every place I have lived, the project would have been red tagged before the foundation was poured. There is a sequence of things, one of them being the inspection process. "Homes" are not built without each stage being inspected and okayed. And that starts with the dirt. Someone has been smoking too much ganja. Steve |
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SteveB wrote:
wrote in message news On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:52:08 -0400, Bryce wrote: There are no sewers on the street (the several existing homes have septic). Since a septic system is no longer allowed in new construction, these homes are uninhabitable. The owners had long and totally unproductive discussions with the city about extending sewers to this street. Now the homes stand unfinished and abandoned. How did they ever get permitting without a plan for the septic or sewer?That usually happens before you can even submit your building plan, in the zoning process. Can yew spell troll? I knew yew could. Every place I have lived, the project would have been red tagged before the foundation was poured. There is a sequence of things, one of them being the inspection process. "Homes" are not built without each stage being inspected and okayed. And that starts with the dirt. Someone has been smoking too much ganja. Steve Crank up Google Maps and search for 2541 Hilltop Road, Richmond Hts, OH. Click on satellite and zoom in for a look at these homes as they are now. No landscaping, no driveways, no people. Not visible in the photo: no sewers. Unbelievable but true. |
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"Twice Retired" wrote in message ... It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That’s all it took. My neighbor’s system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor’s system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. So let me see if I got this right. You took it upon yourself to sic the government on your neighbor, trespass his property, put him at risk for having to pay another contractor to bring the project up to code (he not the contractor is liable, you know) .... and you're so proud of your behavior that you publish it here for all the world to see? If you had done that to me, I'd probably poke you in the nose.... |
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"Reggie Dunlop" slap@shot wrote in message . .. "Twice Retired" wrote in message ... It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That's all it took. My neighbor's system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor's system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. So let me see if I got this right. You took it upon yourself to sic the government on your neighbor, trespass his property, put him at risk for having to pay another contractor to bring the project up to code (he not the contractor is liable, you know) .... and you're so proud of your behavior that you publish it here for all the world to see? If you had done that to me, I'd probably poke you in the nose.... You're not very bright. My neighbor asks for my assistance in many ways, the pool being just one. Screw around in this area and you'll be carried out. |
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"Twice Retired" wrote in message ... "Reggie Dunlop" slap@shot wrote in message . .. "Twice Retired" wrote in message ... It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That's all it took. My neighbor's system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor's system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. So let me see if I got this right. You took it upon yourself to sic the government on your neighbor, trespass his property, put him at risk for having to pay another contractor to bring the project up to code (he not the contractor is liable, you know) .... and you're so proud of your behavior that you publish it here for all the world to see? If you had done that to me, I'd probably poke you in the nose.... You're not very bright. My neighbor asks for my assistance in many ways, the pool being just one. Screw around in this area and you'll be carried out. BTW the county inspection department forced the pool installer to correct all deficiencies w/o cost to the owners of any of the properties. |
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"Twice Retired" wrote in message
... "Twice Retired" wrote in message ... "Reggie Dunlop" slap@shot wrote in message . .. "Twice Retired" wrote in message ... It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That's all it took. My neighbor's system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor's system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. So let me see if I got this right. You took it upon yourself to sic the government on your neighbor, trespass his property, put him at risk for having to pay another contractor to bring the project up to code (he not the contractor is liable, you know) .... and you're so proud of your behavior that you publish it here for all the world to see? If you had done that to me, I'd probably poke you in the nose.... You're not very bright. My neighbor asks for my assistance in many ways, the pool being just one. Screw around in this area and you'll be carried out. BTW the county inspection department forced the pool installer to correct all deficiencies w/o cost to the owners of any of the properties. Carried out? Not by you little girl...and perhaps if you'd mentioned in your OP that your neighbor had asked you for your help..... And BTW, crooked contractors routinely bankrupt themselves every 3-6 months leaving an empty corporate shell that no one-- gov't bodies included-- can come back on and "force" to do anything. |
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"Reggie Dunlop" slap@shot wrote in message . .. Reggie named for the "Becker" character? Sounds like a real good neighbor who lived about a half mile up the road. Hated everybody, wouldn't assist a blind woman to cross the street, suspicious of everyone in the neighborhood, peeked out from behind the curtains at the neighborhood, called the cops about kids waiting for the school bus, put out poison for area dogs. And those were just some of her good points. She actually had been busted for growing pot. The folks in the area tried to humor her as long as she wasn't destructive. She had to have everything explained to her in minute detail as she had no cognizant ability to understand other than exactly what she was told. There are a couple of us who tried to help her by cutting her grass, painting the trim on her home, and my wife, and Fred's wife, actually would drive her to grocery and doctor. She moved to FL about 2 years ago. Reggie sounds like the same person. Don't ever assist anyone and be suspicious of everybody and their intent. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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"Twice Retired" wrote in message ... "Twice Retired" wrote in message ... "Reggie Dunlop" slap@shot wrote in message . .. "Twice Retired" wrote in message ... It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That's all it took. My neighbor's system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor's system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. So let me see if I got this right. You took it upon yourself to sic the government on your neighbor, trespass his property, put him at risk for having to pay another contractor to bring the project up to code (he not the contractor is liable, you know) .... and you're so proud of your behavior that you publish it here for all the world to see? If you had done that to me, I'd probably poke you in the nose.... You're not very bright. My neighbor asks for my assistance in many ways, the pool being just one. Screw around in this area and you'll be carried out. BTW the county inspection department forced the pool installer to correct all deficiencies w/o cost to the owners of any of the properties. Lemmee see if I understand this .......... The people were too stupid to do it right the first time, so the homeowner let them try it again? Steve |
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Twice Retired wrote:
It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That’s all it took. My neighbor’s system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor’s system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. SO IT WAS YOU! YOU DARN SNITCH! THOSE PESKY INSPECTORS WILL BE CRAWLING ALL OVER THE DANG BLASTED JOB! Inspectors around here are actually not that hard to work with if you just follow the code and standards. Sometimes a municipality will have a little different standards than a national code book so we don't argue with them and everything works out. I have a job going on right now where I have to move old equipment and install new. It's not just inspectors we have to deal with, it's all the other guys doing different things for the project. [8~{} Uncle Monster |
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"Uncle Monster" wrote in message Inspectors around here are actually not that hard to work with if you just follow the code and standards. Sometimes a municipality will have a little different standards than a national code book so we don't argue with them and everything works out. I have a job going on right now where I have to move old equipment and install new. It's not just inspectors we have to deal with, it's all the other guys doing different things for the project. [8~{} Uncle Monster Most inspectors are OK and they know the contractors that will try to get by and the ones that will follow the code all the time. There are always a few inspectors that are on a power trip and like being a PITA, especially to the homeowner. Of course, some of them deserve the hard time too. I've seen inspections done over the phone and I've seen some not done at all. You find good and bad everywhere. |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:39:44 -0500, "Twice Retired"
wrote: It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That’s all it took. My neighbor’s system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor’s system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. If I were your neighbor I'd come over there and stomp the living **** out of your snitching little ass, but then that's just me. |
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contractor man wrote in message ... On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:39:44 -0500, "Twice Retired" wrote: It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That's all it took. My neighbor's system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor's system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. If I were your neighbor I'd come over there and stomp the living **** out of your snitching little ass, but then that's just me. Nah, you're just another snivellin, cheat. You are the kind who screws their neighbor instead of helping them. |
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"Oska" wrote in message ... contractor man wrote in message ... On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:39:44 -0500, "Twice Retired" wrote: It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That's all it took. My neighbor's system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor's system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. If I were your neighbor I'd come over there and stomp the living **** out of your snitching little ass, but then that's just me. Nah, you're just another snivellin, cheat. You are the kind who screws their neighbor instead of helping them. Sorry, but I'm with the group that figures if you're too stupid to be able to handle a project, you should opt out. Neighbor or no. Steve |
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Oska" wrote in message ... contractor man wrote in message ... On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:39:44 -0500, "Twice Retired" wrote: It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That's all it took. My neighbor's system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor's system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. If I were your neighbor I'd come over there and stomp the living **** out of your snitching little ass, but then that's just me. Nah, you're just another snivellin, cheat. You are the kind who screws their neighbor instead of helping them. Sorry, but I'm with the group that figures if you're too stupid to be able to handle a project, you should opt out. Neighbor or no. Steve Yep, I will admit, some of the group are pretty stupid. No questions were asked, only irrational judgments made. 1. My neighbor asked me to look at the installation as even he had some doubts. 2. Conversations with the county inspection department revealed that this pool builder had discovered a flaw in the inspection system. 3. The flaw was, if no inspection was called the permit expired in 6 months with no further action. 4. The county searched records for 5 years, their record limit, and found 17 instances of no final inspection. 5. Pool builder was contacted by county attorney and the result was that recipients of the builder's services could have the builder make corrections or engage a private contractor to make corrections with cost born by the pool builder. 6. Of the 17, 12 elected private contractors at an average cost of about $500.00 (per info from county). 7. One lady is suing the pool builder as her granddaughter received an electrical shock as a result of the faulty work. Her foot was burned pretty badly according to Martha (Grandama). My neighbor is an active pneumatics engineer and I am a retired EE. I served on electrical code committees during my active years and still assist small contractors. I wonder how the "stupid members" of the group would feel if I had reported that a child had been electrocuted by the faulty installation. From previous comments probably just laugh it off as they are probably laughing about the 7 year old with the burned foot. Ah well, you could have had a real belly laugh if it would have been your child or grandchild. |
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"Twice Retired" wrote
Yep, I will admit, some of the group are pretty stupid. No questions were asked, only irrational judgments made. Happens but keep in mind, many here are just learning with their first house. They tend to make somewhat rash judgements, often caused by insufficient information in the first post. Instead of asking, like they should, they jump to conclusions. 1. My neighbor asked me to look at the installation as even he had some doubts. This makes it all clear (and yes, I saw you mentioned this right away after someone didnt like your handling as they presumed you were just acting on your own). Inadvertant on your part, I was thinking of asking if such was the case myself when I read on and saw it was your neighbor asking for you to take a look and help out. Totally different there. 5. Pool builder was contacted by county attorney and the result was that recipients of the builder's services could have the builder make corrections or engage a private contractor to make corrections with cost born by the pool builder. That or he'd lose his license I gather? I wonder how the "stupid members" of the group would feel if I had reported that a child had been electrocuted by the faulty installation. From previous comments probably just laugh it off as they are probably laughing about the 7 year old with the burned foot. No, if you had said only that, they would have been mad at you for not taking earlier action! Usenet... Meantime, I've gotten and given quite a bit in this group as far as advice for queries. Advice where I do not know a thing is generally fairly good with a few exceptions, and given only in areas I have reasonable experience in with specifics on what that experience is. Probably longest thread for me, was helping a fellow with how to rescreen a wood porch with ancellary advice on how to make proper 'pet borders' to keep them from damaging it too much. (I have a 44ft wood porch fully screened at the back of the house, and pets. I rescreen some portion of it annually but it may just be one small bit where a fat cat made it bow out a little as the ledge is not that wide. Got back from Japan after 6.5 years and had to do the whole thing again.) |
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On Oct 1, 5:39*am, "Twice Retired" wrote:
It always amazing me as to what contractors of all types will try to get away with. They go to extremes in order to bypass codes and inspections. In many cases their violations are a danger to the life/safety of people, especially children, and domestic animals. There is a swimming pool contractor in the area that has been violating the construction codes and bypasses the final inspection by never calling for an inspection and letting the permit expire. I learned of this when he did a job for a neighbor and I viewed his installation and there were many code violations. I photographed the visible violations and delivered copies to the county inspection department. The inspector informed me that there had been no inspection. The inspector came out, as a courtesy to me as the permit holder had not called, and verified the violations. That’s all it took. My neighbor’s system was extensively re-worked and is now code compliant. The county has now gone into their closed files to find the jobs where no inspection was called. It appears that there may be upwards of 17 instances of letting the permit expire without performing the inspection. The county is taking action. I have reviewed my neighbor’s system before and after corrections and the interesting fact to me is that if the system was installed in accordance with the code to begin with, the actual material/labor cost would have been slightly less than the violation installation. Go figure! If you have a job performed, be certain that there is an inspection that ascertains that the installation complies with local codes/ordinances. Yeah, anything that's not going to be easily visible when finished needs a few surprise drop-ins "just to see how it's going", such as how deep the gravel is under the driveway, etc. or, for that matter, how thick are they putting the bondo on your dented fender.... |
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