I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?

Some of the new paints apparently claim to (a) cover in one coat, and
(b) not need primer over most surfaces. Can anyone verify that?

For use in Los Angeles, CA.

Thanks.

J.

"JXStern" wrote in message
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I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?

Some of the new paints apparently claim to (a) cover in one coat, and
(b) not need primer over most surfaces. Can anyone verify that?

For use in Los Angeles, CA.

Thanks.

J.


I personally know the owner of a local BM store and primer is always
recommended.

One coat coverage is a much over-hyped selling point IMO. The difference
between an okay or great job.

If you want to post a brand level name I can ask someone with no horse in
the race.

Colbyt

Colbyt wrote:
"JXStern" wrote in message
...
I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?

Some of the new paints apparently claim to (a) cover in one coat, and
(b) not need primer over most surfaces. Can anyone verify that?

For use in Los Angeles, CA.

Thanks.

J.


I personally know the owner of a local BM store and primer is always
recommended.

One coat coverage is a much over-hyped selling point IMO. The difference
between an okay or great job.

If you want to post a brand level name I can ask someone with no horse in
the race.

Colbyt


Hi,
Also paininting when it is too hot is not good. Ideal temp is ~15 deg.
in Celcius.

JXStern wrote:
I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?

As good as any but, of course, like everybody else BM makes various
price points so just the brand itself is of little or no value.

I'd only note that if the existing is flaking there was a problem w/ the
preparation before. It is highly likely if it has flaked the surface is
now oxidized and it will not hold paint simply after a light scuff
sanding. It would be wise in all likelihood to use an oxalic acid wood
cleaner to remove that oxidation layer (it'll bring it back to an
appearance almost like new wood even if it's grayed) before repainting.

I'm not familiar w/ BM's complete line, but I'd be wary of trying to get
by w/ no primer in such a situation especially. New work painted within
60-90 days of installation, maybe--old work especially already w/
demonstrated problem...not so much.

--

On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:41:50 -0500, dpb wrote:

JXStern wrote:
I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?

As good as any but, of course, like everybody else BM makes various
price points so just the brand itself is of little or no value.

I'd only note that if the existing is flaking there was a problem w/ the
preparation before. It is highly likely if it has flaked the surface is
now oxidized and it will not hold paint simply after a light scuff
sanding. It would be wise in all likelihood to use an oxalic acid wood
cleaner to remove that oxidation layer (it'll bring it back to an
appearance almost like new wood even if it's grayed) before repainting.

I'm not familiar w/ BM's complete line, but I'd be wary of trying to get
by w/ no primer in such a situation especially. New work painted within
60-90 days of installation, maybe--old work especially already w/
demonstrated problem...not so much.

Thanks all for recommendations, I guess I'm talking the Aura paint.

Yes, some of the wood shows gray, highly oxidized, I'll check out that
wood cleaner.

Just visited the paint store, I also asked about touching up the main
stucco, and the guy recommended primer there, too.

J.

On Aug 2, 5:57 pm, JXStern wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:41:50 -0500, dpb wrote:
JXStern wrote:
I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?

As good as any but, of course, like everybody else BM makes various
price points so just the brand itself is of little or no value.

I'd only note that if the existing is flaking there was a problem w/ the
preparation before. It is highly likely if it has flaked the surface is
now oxidized and it will not hold paint simply after a light scuff
sanding. It would be wise in all likelihood to use an oxalic acid wood
cleaner to remove that oxidation layer (it'll bring it back to an
appearance almost like new wood even if it's grayed) before repainting.

I'm not familiar w/ BM's complete line, but I'd be wary of trying to get
by w/ no primer in such a situation especially. New work painted within
60-90 days of installation, maybe--old work especially already w/
demonstrated problem...not so much.

Thanks all for recommendations, I guess I'm talking the Aura paint.

Yes, some of the wood shows gray, highly oxidized, I'll check out that
wood cleaner.

Just visited the paint store, I also asked about touching up the main
stucco, and the guy recommended primer there, too.

J.

I painted my trim using Aura about 6 weeks ago. Primed the scraped
and bare spots with tinted primer. I was told by the BM dealer that
using Aura I would not have to prime and that one coat would be
sufficient. Primed and two coats were necessary and this was going
over the same color that the house was painted before. The house does
look great but I don't feel that the Aura paint is worth the premium
price over the MoorGlo that I used before.

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:10:59 -0700 (PDT), Marc
wrote:

On Aug 2, 5:57 pm, JXStern wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:41:50 -0500, dpb wrote:
JXStern wrote:
I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?

As good as any but, of course, like everybody else BM makes various
price points so just the brand itself is of little or no value.

I'd only note that if the existing is flaking there was a problem w/ the
preparation before. It is highly likely if it has flaked the surface is
now oxidized and it will not hold paint simply after a light scuff
sanding. It would be wise in all likelihood to use an oxalic acid wood
cleaner to remove that oxidation layer (it'll bring it back to an
appearance almost like new wood even if it's grayed) before repainting.

I'm not familiar w/ BM's complete line, but I'd be wary of trying to get
by w/ no primer in such a situation especially. New work painted within
60-90 days of installation, maybe--old work especially already w/
demonstrated problem...not so much.

Thanks all for recommendations, I guess I'm talking the Aura paint.

Yes, some of the wood shows gray, highly oxidized, I'll check out that
wood cleaner.

Just visited the paint store, I also asked about touching up the main
stucco, and the guy recommended primer there, too.

J.

I painted my trim using Aura about 6 weeks ago. Primed the scraped
and bare spots with tinted primer. I was told by the BM dealer that
using Aura I would not have to prime and that one coat would be
sufficient. Primed and two coats were necessary and this was going
over the same color that the house was painted before. The house does
look great but I don't feel that the Aura paint is worth the premium
price over the MoorGlo that I used before.

I used BJ primer over 12 years ago and glad I did. The finish coat is
still holding on. I wonder if someone who did not use a primer can
say the same thing.

my local professional house painter only uses BM soft glow.....
(or something like 'soft glow' )

about $50 a gallon!

paul


Phisherman wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:10:59 -0700 (PDT), Marc
wrote:

On Aug 2, 5:57 pm, JXStern wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:41:50 -0500, dpb wrote:
JXStern wrote:
I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?
As good as any but, of course, like everybody else BM makes various
price points so just the brand itself is of little or no value.
I'd only note that if the existing is flaking there was a problem w/ the
preparation before. It is highly likely if it has flaked the surface is
now oxidized and it will not hold paint simply after a light scuff
sanding. It would be wise in all likelihood to use an oxalic acid wood
cleaner to remove that oxidation layer (it'll bring it back to an
appearance almost like new wood even if it's grayed) before repainting.
I'm not familiar w/ BM's complete line, but I'd be wary of trying to get
by w/ no primer in such a situation especially. New work painted within
60-90 days of installation, maybe--old work especially already w/
demonstrated problem...not so much.
Thanks all for recommendations, I guess I'm talking the Aura paint.

Yes, some of the wood shows gray, highly oxidized, I'll check out that
wood cleaner.

Just visited the paint store, I also asked about touching up the main
stucco, and the guy recommended primer there, too.

J.
I painted my trim using Aura about 6 weeks ago. Primed the scraped
and bare spots with tinted primer. I was told by the BM dealer that
using Aura I would not have to prime and that one coat would be
sufficient. Primed and two coats were necessary and this was going
over the same color that the house was painted before. The house does
look great but I don't feel that the Aura paint is worth the premium
price over the MoorGlo that I used before.

I used BJ primer over 12 years ago and glad I did. The finish coat is
still holding on. I wonder if someone who did not use a primer can
say the same thing.

On Aug 2, 3:21�pm, JXStern wrote:
I need to redo some exterior wood trim, paint is half-flaked off
already. �Assuming I scrape and sand it clean, any opinions on the
current versions of Benjamin Moore exterior paints?

Some of the new paints apparently claim to (a) cover in one coat, and
(b) not need primer over most surfaces. �Can anyone verify that?

For use in Los Angeles, CA.

Thanks.

J.

I have used, and have been happy with, Benjamin Moore paint for
interiors. I have used Sherwin-Williams (whatever their top-shelf
paint is called) for exterior, and have been happy with it as well. I
have not used any BM for exteriors lately, but I think when you get to
the top-shelf on any of those brands, it is pretty durable.

More important, though, is to address the issue of why the flaking
occurred. If there is a source of moisture, you have to resolve that
before you do anything else. If it has been bad for a while, you have
to scrape well, then sand past oxidation in order to make the next
coat adhere.

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:49:11 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I have used, and have been happy with, Benjamin Moore paint for
interiors. I have used Sherwin-Williams (whatever their top-shelf
paint is called) for exterior, and have been happy with it as well. I
have not used any BM for exteriors lately, but I think when you get to
the top-shelf on any of those brands, it is pretty durable.

More important, though, is to address the issue of why the flaking
occurred. If there is a source of moisture, you have to resolve that
before you do anything else. If it has been bad for a while, you have
to scrape well, then sand past oxidation in order to make the next
coat adhere.

Don't believe there's a moisture problem as such, some of the trim is
in obscure places, may have been twenty years, or forty, or more,
since painting!

J.