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Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
There is now a retail-available incandescent that has enough energy
efficiency to get around the upcoming 2012-2014 ban until 2020. Thanks to Paul M. Eldridge for mentioning this in article in alt.home.repair in the "candlelight thread" on April 19th! These are truly incandescent lamps producing about 90-91% as much light for 70% as much electricity, in comparison to the highest light output grades of standard incandescents. Light output is fully on par with soft white ones that have life expectancy extended to 1500 hours. These improved incandescents have rated life expectancy of 3,000 hours. They look like soft white incandescents, both while off and while on. They actually are incandescent, specifically a variation of the halogen lamp known as "HIR". They gain energy efficiency by using an infrared-reflecting coating on the inner surface of the inner halogen capsule. Despite being halogen, they are rated to be fully dimmable. Just don't expect dimming to increase their life as much as dimming increases life of non-halogen incandescents, since halogens have an extra aging mechanism that is slowed to a lesser extent by dimming (filament end notching). Their color, spectrum and color rendering properties are incandescent-like. The color is more greenish than conventional incandescent to an extent so small that I usually cannot see this, even side-by-side against a conventional incandescent while looking for this. The color difference is of a scale that I have seen between different conventional incandescents of same color temperature but different filament winding styles and maybe different tungsten grades. The HIR lamps definitely *do not* have anywhere near even halfway a "gas mantle" extent of being greenish. I just got some at Home Depot a couple hours ago. They are Philips Halogena "energy saver". The 70 watt one produces 1600 lumens (22.9 lumens/watt) and the 40 watt one produces 800 lumens (20 lumens/watt). Efficiency is improved over conventional incandescent, but is still only around 35-40% of that of better compact fluorescents. Since these are halogen lamps, they should have at least some regular use with being on long enough to fully warm up to keep the "halogen cycle" chemical process in the inner capsule working properly (as opposed to being used only briefly). Because of this and their cost, I would rather not use these in closet lights, refrigerator lights and motion sensor lights - those applications are where conventional incandescent is plenty good. Where I would recommend these: Other locations where compact fluorescents are not acceptable due to warmup time, performance with dimmers, temperature often being far from ideal for CFL, or in fixtures where CFLs equal to 100 watt incandescent tend to overheat. These should also be good where there is a critical color or color rendering requirement that no CFL can meet (whether in fact or by fiat or in someone's head), or for those who have big problems with disposable built-in electronic ballasts or with lightbulbs having even 3 milligrams of mercury. Since these cost $5 per 2-pack and most ordinary spiral CFLs now cost no more and also last longer and have at least twice the energy efficiency of these improved incandescents, I still say use CFL where you can. - Don Klipstein ) |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
On Apr 27, 7:49�pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:
� There is now a retail-available incandescent that has enough energy efficiency to get around the upcoming 2012-2014 ban until 2020. � Thanks to Paul M. Eldridge for mentioning this in article in alt.home.repair in the "candlelight thread" on April 19th! � These are truly incandescent lamps producing about 90-91% as much light for 70% as much electricity, in comparison to the highest light output grades of standard incandescents. �Light output is fully on par with soft white ones that have life expectancy extended to 1500 hours. �These improved incandescents have rated life expectancy of 3,000 hours. � They look like soft white incandescents, both while off and while on. � They actually are incandescent, specifically a variation of the halogen lamp known as "HIR". �They gain energy efficiency by using an infrared-reflecting coating on the inner surface of the inner halogen capsule. � Despite being halogen, they are rated to be fully dimmable. �Just don't expect dimming to increase their life as much as dimming increases life of non-halogen incandescents, since halogens have an extra aging mechanism that is slowed to a lesser extent by dimming (filament end notching). � Their color, spectrum and color rendering properties are incandescent-like. �The color is more greenish than conventional incandescent to an extent so small that I usually cannot see this, even side-by-side against a conventional incandescent while looking for this. � The color difference is of a scale that I have seen between different conventional incandescents of same color temperature but different filament winding styles and maybe different tungsten grades. �The HIR lamps definitely *do not* have anywhere near even halfway a "gas mantle" extent of being greenish. � I just got some at Home Depot a couple hours ago. �They are Philips Halogena "energy saver". � The 70 watt one produces 1600 lumens (22.9 lumens/watt) and the 40 watt one produces 800 lumens (20 lumens/watt). � Efficiency is improved over conventional incandescent, but is still only around 35-40% of that of better compact fluorescents. � Since these are halogen lamps, they should have at least some regular use with being on long enough to fully warm up to keep the "halogen cycle" chemical process in the inner capsule working properly (as opposed to being used only briefly). �Because of this and their cost, I would rather not use these in closet lights, refrigerator lights and motion sensor lights - those applications are where conventional incandescent is plenty good. � Where I would recommend these: �Other locations where compact fluorescents are not acceptable due to warmup time, performance with dimmers, temperature often being far from ideal for CFL, or in fixtures where CFLs equal to 100 watt incandescent tend to overheat. �These should also be good where there is a critical color or color rendering requirement that no CFL can meet (whether in fact or by fiat or in someone's head), or for those who have big problems with disposable built-in electronic ballasts or with lightbulbs having even 3 milligrams of mercury. � Since these cost $5 per 2-pack and most ordinary spiral CFLs now cost no more and also last longer and have at least twice the energy efficiency of these improved incandescents, I still say use CFL where you can. �- Don Klipstein ) one can buy cases of regular lamps, before the ban becomes effective.... stored unused they should last forever |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages.
s "Don Klipstein" wrote in message ... There is now a retail-available incandescent that has enough energy efficiency to get around the upcoming 2012-2014 ban until 2020. |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
In article , S. Barker wrote:
What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. "General purpose" incandescent lamps of a certain range of light output and failing to achieve some specific standard of energy efficiency will be banned in 2012. This will include 100 and 75 watt "regular" incandescents. In 2014, this will expand to include 60 and 40 watt "regular" incandescents that fail to meet that level of energy efficiency. The "usual regular" incandescents of 75-100 watts will be banned in 2012 and the "usual regular" incandescents of 40-60 watts will be banned in 2014. The improved incandescents that Paul Eldridge and I mentioned have sufficient energy efficiency to not be affected until 2020 according to this law. GE is planning to put similar ones on the market in 2010. "Specialty" incandescents are largely not affected. Paul Eldridge posted a list of unaffected ones in the "candlelight thread" in alt.home.repair on April 20 in article . That one can be viewed via Google (along with 24 other articles in the "candlelight thread" of at least 104 articles) by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...thread/thread/ 695cb5879218f939/b9f8c930e2f6a64e?hl=en& That article also mentions availability at Home Depot of incandescents that have sufficient energy efficiency to not be banned in 2012-2014. - Don Klipstein ) |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
Dennis M wrote:
In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Jeff |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
In article ,
Jeff wrote: Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. The contents of those bulbs can kill you. Talk about waste... -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ==================== |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
John A. Weeks III wrote:
In article , Jeff wrote: Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. The contents of those bulbs can kill you. Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. Can you imagine where we would be if we had not had CAFE standards. If all the cars had the same fuel efficiency and smog standards that they had in the 50's and 60's? You can get low mercury CFLs if you like. Or recycle, they are harmless if unbroken. Jeff -john- |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
Dennis M wrote:
In article , Jeff wrote: Dennis M wrote: In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain situations also. You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt. There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will certainly fall in price. I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole. Remember that? Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit. Jeff I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too. |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
In article ,
says... Dennis M wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Dennis M wrote: In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain situations also. You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt. There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will certainly fall in price. I'm not about to use CFLs anywhere I spend any time. I'm not about to replace all my fixtures either. A case of bulbs here, and a case there... I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole. Remember that? Oh, good grief! Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit. Someimes you just have to be a good little sheep, eh Komrad? Jeff I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too. Sheep? Evidently... -- Keith |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
thanks for the info. sounds hoaky to me though.
s "Don Klipstein" wrote in message ... In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. "General purpose" incandescent lamps of a certain range of light output and failing to achieve some specific standard of energy efficiency will be banned in 2012. This will include 100 and 75 watt "regular" incandescents. In 2014, this will expand to include 60 and 40 watt "regular" incandescents that fail to meet that level of energy efficiency. The "usual regular" incandescents of 75-100 watts will be banned in 2012 and the "usual regular" incandescents of 40-60 watts will be banned in 2014. The improved incandescents that Paul Eldridge and I mentioned have sufficient energy efficiency to not be affected until 2020 according to this law. GE is planning to put similar ones on the market in 2010. "Specialty" incandescents are largely not affected. Paul Eldridge posted a list of unaffected ones in the "candlelight thread" in alt.home.repair on April 20 in article . That one can be viewed via Google (along with 24 other articles in the "candlelight thread" of at least 104 articles) by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...thread/thread/ 695cb5879218f939/b9f8c930e2f6a64e?hl=en& That article also mentions availability at Home Depot of incandescents that have sufficient energy efficiency to not be banned in 2012-2014. - Don Klipstein ) |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
funny you would say that to him. I was thinking about doing just that
(buying cases of bulbs, not keeping them with the eight tracks) My 8-tracks are in a controlled environment due to the foam pressers and the plastic. The bulbs will not need this specialized attention. s "Jeff" wrote in message m... Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Jeff |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
I remember no such thing. The hole in the ozone has been opening and
closing for centuries. And no refrigerant will EVER cool as well as R-12. I also have a supply of that, and add to my systems as needed. s "Jeff" wrote in message ... Dennis M wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Dennis M wrote: In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain situations also. You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt. There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will certainly fall in price. I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole. Remember that? Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit. Jeff I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too. |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
In , John A. Weeks
III wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. The contents of those bulbs can kill you. Talk about waste... In many areas of the USA, households are still allowed to dump CFLs into regular trash. - Don Klipstein ) |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
"allowed".?!?!? Hell, i'll throw them whereever i want. And that's
usually in the trash can after they've been knocked off their socket by some flying object or swing board. s "Don Klipstein" wrote in message ... In many areas of the USA, households are still allowed to dump CFLs into regular trash. - Don Klipstein ) |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
In article ,
Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. The contents of those bulbs can kill you. Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ==================== |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
S. Barker wrote:
"allowed".?!?!? Hell, i'll throw them whereever i want. And that's usually in the trash can after they've been knocked off their socket by some flying object or swing board. s "Don Klipstein" wrote in message ... In many areas of the USA, households are still allowed to dump CFLs into regular trash. - Don Klipstein ) Hmmm Very good. I guess you throw away used batteries into the trash can as well? Your grand kids will appreciate it. |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
John A. Weeks III wrote:
In article , Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. The contents of those bulbs can kill you. Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? You seem to have missed the bit that even if a high mercury CFL burst and all the mercury vaporized in the room, it would still be harmless. There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? What happens if a truckload of tuna veers off the road? Until something better comes along, it's CFLs. Of all the hazards in life, they rank pretty low. Jeff -john- |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
krw wrote:
In article , says... Dennis M wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Dennis M wrote: In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain situations also. You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt. There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will certainly fall in price. I'm not about to use CFLs anywhere I spend any time. And, why not? I'm not about to replace all my fixtures either. Why would you have to? A case of bulbs here, and a case there... I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole. Remember that? Oh, good grief! I suppose you are still questioning evolution? And global warming? Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit. Someimes you just have to be a good little sheep, eh Komrad? Look whose calling who a sheep? Sometimes it pays not to be a sheep and blindly believe all that horse manure W has been dishing out for the last 7 years. I'd say lemming is a more appropriate term. The tungsten light bulb has been around almost 100 years. There's nothing else we use that comes anywhere near being as inefficient. The common light bulb rings in at about 5%. It doesn't have great color rendition unless corrected in which case it has a shorter life or is even less efficient, it runs up the heat load in summer, it has a terrible lifespan... The only real advantage it has is that it is cheap. But not cheap when you consider the lifespan or the energy it uses. But hey, if you guys love your 100 year old design 100 Watt bulbs. I don't happen to have your emotional attachment. Jeff Jeff I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too. Sheep? Evidently... |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
S. Barker wrote:
I remember no such thing. The hole in the ozone has been opening and closing for centuries. And no refrigerant will EVER cool as well as R-12. Propane/isobutane has identical properties, even being mineral oil miscible, mix it 70/30, I believe. It's not like mineral oil filled R12 is not flammable. That and some of the "new" refrigerants are part hydrocarbon. If you want to toy with the mix a bit, you can beat R12 by 10 - 20%. Jeff I also have a supply of that, and add to my systems as needed. s "Jeff" wrote in message ... Dennis M wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Dennis M wrote: In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain situations also. You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt. There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will certainly fall in price. I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole. Remember that? Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit. Jeff I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too. |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
On Apr 29, 11:11*pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote:
In article , *Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: * *Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. *You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. *But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. *The contents of those bulbs can kill you. *Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? *For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. *That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. *So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? *Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ====================- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You better learn up before you pannic chicken little. What do you do with you tube flourescents, put them in the trash, so does everyone, and the mercury? what do you do with old thermostats, well they have 10000 times as much as a bulb and what about some thermometers, 1000 times as much. Did you know a coal plant releases twice as much mercury powering a 100w bulb over its life than a cfl has, and that is airborn mercury, mr sky is falling. So if you area uses coal your wastefull incandesant is poisoning you right now with twice the mercury, and you are breathing it now. |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
On Apr 30, 12:39*am, Jeff wrote:
John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: * *Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. *You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. *But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. *The contents of those bulbs can kill you. *Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? *For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. *That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? You seem to have missed the bit that even if a high mercury CFL burst and all the mercury vaporized in the room, it would still be harmless. There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. *So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? *Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? What happens if a truckload of tuna veers off the road? Until something better comes along, it's CFLs. Of all the hazards in life, they rank pretty low. * *Jeff -john-- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The tuna truckload was then infested with flies that carried diseases and killed mr weeks neighbors since the dirty mercury filled coal did not. |
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On Apr 29, 9:51*pm, "S. Barker" wrote:
I remember no such thing. *The hole in the ozone has been opening and closing for centuries. *And no refrigerant will EVER cool as well as R-12. I also have a supply of that, and add to my systems as needed. s "Jeff" wrote in message ... Dennis M wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Dennis M wrote: In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? *I've not kept up with the messages. *A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012.. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. * Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain situations also. You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt. There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will certainly fall in price. *I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole. Remember that? * Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit. * Jeff I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - opening for centuries? and tell me how could we see it 100 years ago, |
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On Apr 30, 1:22*am, Jeff wrote:
krw wrote: In article , says... Dennis M wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Dennis M wrote: In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? *I've not kept up with the messages. *A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. * Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain situations also. You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt. There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will certainly fall in price. I'm not about to use CFLs anywhere I spend any time. * *And, why not? * I'm not about to replace all my fixtures either. Why would you have to? * A case of bulbs here, and a case there... * I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole. Remember that? Oh, good grief! I suppose you are still questioning evolution? And global warming? * *Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit. Someimes you just have to be a good little sheep, eh Komrad? Look whose calling who a sheep? Sometimes it pays not to be a sheep and blindly believe all that horse manure W has been dishing out for the last 7 years. I'd say lemming is a more appropriate term. * *The tungsten light bulb has been around almost 100 years. There's nothing else we use that comes anywhere near being as inefficient. The common light bulb rings in at about 5%. It doesn't have great color rendition unless corrected in which case it has a shorter life or is even less efficient, it runs up the heat load in summer, it has a terrible lifespan... The only real advantage it has is that it is cheap. But not cheap when you consider the lifespan or the energy it uses. * *But hey, if you guys love your 100 year old design 100 Watt bulbs. I don't happen to have your emotional attachment. * *Jeff * *Jeff I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too. Sheep? *Evidently...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Incandesants are dumb to use as a main light source, they produce only maybe 3-5 % off that 100 watts consumed as light, so run 11, 100 watters this summer, and its the same as running a 1000w electric heater, pay to cool your home, and pay to heat it at the same time, Real Smart. |
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where else would you put a battery? Unless you're talking about a car
battery, THEY go in the pile on the back forty until the price of lead comes back up. s "Tony Hwang" wrote in message news:lkSRj.230370$pM4.20277@pd7urf1no... Hmmm Very good. I guess you throw away used batteries into the trash can as well? Your grand kids will appreciate it. |
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I agree. Hell we used to play with big gobs of mercury in science class.
We're still here. s "Jeff" wrote in message m... What happens if a truckload of tuna veers off the road? Until something better comes along, it's CFLs. Of all the hazards in life, they rank pretty low. Jeff -john- |
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, ransley wrote: The tuna truckload was then infested with flies that carried diseases and killed mr weeks neighbors since the dirty mercury filled coal did not. So, how does tuna in cans become infested? Sea flies? That is the problem with people who have knee-jerk responses to everything. They knee-jerk without thinking, and they end up looking dumb, which is probably where they started in the first place. -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ==================== |
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On 4/30/2008 8:34 AM S. Barker spake thus:
where else would you put a battery? Unless you're talking about a car battery, THEY go in the pile on the back forty until the price of lead comes back up. I guess some folks are just more civilized than others; here in the East Bay (San Francisco), we can (and some of us do) take our batteries, old fluorescents, etc., to the recycling center where they segregate it and dispose of it properly. Of course, then there are the ****ing idiots who just leave TVs and computer monitors on the STREETS of my neighborhood, where they sometimes get broken. Can you say 10 pounds of LEAD???? -- The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. - Attributed to Winston Churchill |
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S. Barker wrote:
I agree. Hell we used to play with big gobs of mercury in science class. We're still here. Mad as a hatter, tho. Jeff wrote What happens if a truckload of tuna veers off the road? Until something better comes along, it's CFLs. Of all the hazards in life, they rank pretty low. |
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On Apr 30, 12:20*pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote:
In article , *ransley wrote: The tuna truckload was then infested with flies that carried diseases and killed mr weeks neighbors since the dirty mercury filled coal did not. So, how does tuna in cans become infested? *Sea flies? *That is the problem with people who have knee-jerk responses to everything. *They knee-jerk without thinking, and they end up looking dumb, which is probably where they started in the first place. -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ==================== who said canned tuna. HD has a Nine year warranty on cfls, im not throwin my 2$ bulbs away, im goin back for freebies when I need them and let them dispose of them, as they do for free with batteries. So beath well today, knowing your coal plant is giving you Mercury. |
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In article 1ec0eb83-47f9-4dd1-8d5e-7664bad6f5d4
@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 30, 1:22*am, Jeff wrote: krw wrote: snip I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too. Sheep? *Evidently...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Incandesants are dumb to use as a main light source, they produce only maybe 3-5 % off that 100 watts consumed as light, so run 11, 100 watters this summer, and its the same as running a 1000w electric heater, pay to cool your home, and pay to heat it at the same time, Real Smart. I have little need for lights (at home) in the summer. I bet you *hate* large screen TVs too. -- Keith |
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56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 29, 11:11*pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: * *Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. *You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. *But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. *The contents of those bulbs can kill you. *Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? *For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. *That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. *So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? *Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ====================- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You better learn up before you pannic chicken little. What do you do with you tube flourescents, put them in the trash, so does everyone, and the mercury? what do you do with old thermostats, well they have 10000 times as much as a bulb and what about some thermometers, 1000 times as much. Did you know a coal plant releases twice as much mercury powering a 100w bulb over its life than a cfl has, and that is airborn mercury, mr sky is falling. So if you area uses coal your wastefull incandesant is poisoning you right now with twice the mercury, and you are breathing it now. What do I do with a mercury thermometer? When I find one (haven't seen one for *years*, I take it to the nice man in the NBC suit. You know, the same guy you're *supposed* to take fluorescents to. -- Keith |
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On Apr 30, 4:30*pm, krw wrote:
In article a38ebf40-a884-4951-86a5-be154bb130bb@ 56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 29, 11:11*pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: * *Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. *You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. *But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. *The contents of those bulbs can kill you. *Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? *For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. *That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. *So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? *Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ====================- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - * You better learn up before you pannic chicken little. What do you do with you tube flourescents, put them in the trash, so does everyone, and the mercury? what do you do with old thermostats, well they have 10000 times as much as a bulb and what about some thermometers, 1000 times as much. Did you know a coal plant releases twice as much mercury powering a 100w bulb over its life than a cfl has, and that is airborn mercury, mr sky is falling. So if you area uses coal your wastefull incandesant is poisoning you right now with twice the mercury, and you are breathing it now. What do I do with a mercury thermometer? *When I find one (haven't seen one for *years*, I take it to the nice man in the NBC suit. * You know, the same guy you're *supposed* to take fluorescents to. -- Keith- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is very likely the thermometer you use to see if you have a fever has mercury is it. |
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In article m, David
Nebenzahl wrote: On 4/30/2008 8:34 AM S. Barker spake thus: where else would you put a battery? Unless you're talking about a car battery, THEY go in the pile on the back forty until the price of lead comes back up. I guess some folks are just more civilized than others; here in the East Bay (San Francisco), we can (and some of us do) take our batteries, old fluorescents, etc., to the recycling center where they segregate it and dispose of it properly. Of course, then there are the ****ing idiots who just leave TVs and computer monitors on the STREETS of my neighborhood, where they sometimes get broken. Can you say 10 pounds of LEAD???? The lead in those is now nearly all in the glass - where it does a good job of staying even if the glass gets broken up, even if someone or something should swallow the pieces. It is good to recycle that where it is recyclable anyway - landfill space is expensive. There is a much smaller amount of lead in the circuit boards - probly a fraction of an ounce now that we have tiny SMT components - but it's good to recycle those where you can anyway. - Don Klipstein ) |
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ransley wrote:
On Apr 30, 4:30 pm, krw wrote: In article a38ebf40-a884-4951-86a5-be154bb130bb@ 56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 29, 11:11 pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. The contents of those bulbs can kill you. Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ====================- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You better learn up before you pannic chicken little. What do you do with you tube flourescents, put them in the trash, so does everyone, and the mercury? what do you do with old thermostats, well they have 10000 times as much as a bulb and what about some thermometers, 1000 times as much. Did you know a coal plant releases twice as much mercury powering a 100w bulb over its life than a cfl has, and that is airborn mercury, mr sky is falling. So if you area uses coal your wastefull incandesant is poisoning you right now with twice the mercury, and you are breathing it now. What do I do with a mercury thermometer? When I find one (haven't seen one for *years*, I take it to the nice man in the NBC suit. You know, the same guy you're *supposed* to take fluorescents to. It is very likely the thermometer you use to see if you have a fever has mercury is it. Nope, much more likely to have alcohol in it now if it isnt digital. |
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, says... On Apr 30, 4:30*pm, krw wrote: In article a38ebf40-a884-4951-86a5-be154bb130bb@ 56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 29, 11:11*pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: * *Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. *You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. *But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. *The contents of those bulbs can kill you. *Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? *For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. *That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. *So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? *Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ====================- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - * You better learn up before you pannic chicken little. What do you do with you tube flourescents, put them in the trash, so does everyone, and the mercury? what do you do with old thermostats, well they have 10000 times as much as a bulb and what about some thermometers, 1000 times as much. Did you know a coal plant releases twice as much mercury powering a 100w bulb over its life than a cfl has, and that is airborn mercury, mr sky is falling. So if you area uses coal your wastefull incandesant is poisoning you right now with twice the mercury, and you are breathing it now. What do I do with a mercury thermometer? *When I find one (haven't seen one for *years*, I take it to the nice man in the NBC suit. * You know, the same guy you're *supposed* to take fluorescents to. -- Keith- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is very likely the thermometer you use to see if you have a fever has mercury is it. Are you *really* that ignorant? ...or are you just an incompetent troll? -- Keith |
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In article ,
says... krw wrote: In article , says... Dennis M wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Dennis M wrote: In article , (Don Klipstein) wrote: In article , S. Barker wrote: What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages. A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture, sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012. Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through. Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Why don't you eat me, smartass. I use CFL bulbs in my home where they're warranted, I just want the option to use incandescents in certain situations also. You still have that option. Specialty and low wattage lamps are exempt. There's few places where an edison base lamp couldn't be replaced with one of the CFLs satisfactorily. It pays to not buy the cheap discount store CFLs. And as Don pointed out, you can buy the new halogens, which will certainly fall in price. I'm not about to use CFLs anywhere I spend any time. And, why not? Primarily because I can't stand the light and they're too slow to turn on where I don't care about the light. I'm not about to replace all my fixtures either. Why would you have to? CFLs aren't for many fixtures. They do get hot and the electronics doesn't like it. You have a lot to learn, my boy. A case of bulbs here, and a case there... I'd still like to use R12, but the switchover did close the ozone hole. Remember that? Oh, good grief! I suppose you are still questioning evolution? And global warming? Don't be an ass. Sometimes you have to do something because it has a far greater benefit. Someimes you just have to be a good little sheep, eh Komrad? Look whose calling who a sheep? You *are* a perfect example of a sheep, who likes it when the man from Washington bends you over. I bet you really love those 1.6gal toilets. You'd have thought that congress would have thought up something larger, given their needs. Sometimes it pays not to be a sheep and blindly believe all that horse manure W has been dishing out for the last 7 years. I'd say lemming is a more appropriate term. Don't be an idiot. I know it's hard work to think, but try it anyway. The tungsten light bulb has been around almost 100 years. The planet has been around a tad longer than that and is still useful. There's nothing else we use that comes anywhere near being as inefficient. Now, don't add lies to your list of sins, junior. The common light bulb rings in at about 5%. It doesn't have great color rendition unless corrected in which case it has a shorter life or is even less efficient, it runs up the heat load in summer, it has a terrible lifespan... The only real advantage it has is that it is cheap. But not cheap when you consider the lifespan or the energy it uses. Tungsten lights have far better color rendition than most CFLs. Halogens (which I use almost exclusively), even better. But hey, if you guys love your 100 year old design 100 Watt bulbs. I don't happen to have your emotional attachment. If that's your best argument, hang up your spurs, kid. Jeff Jeff I have a sneaking suspicion the majority of Americans do too. Sheep? Evidently... obviously -- Keith |
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On Apr 30, 5:48*pm, krw wrote:
In article 6410aac8-803a-4a5c-9dc0- , says... On Apr 30, 4:30*pm, krw wrote: In article a38ebf40-a884-4951-86a5-be154bb130bb@ 56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 29, 11:11*pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , *Jeff wrote: * *Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. *You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. *But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. *The contents of those bulbs can kill you. *Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? *For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. *That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. *So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? *Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III * * * * * 612-720-2854 * * * * * Newave Communications * * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ====================- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - * You better learn up before you pannic chicken little. What do you do with you tube flourescents, put them in the trash, so does everyone, and the mercury? what do you do with old thermostats, well they have 10000 times as much as a bulb and what about some thermometers, 1000 times as much. Did you know a coal plant releases twice as much mercury powering a 100w bulb over its life than a cfl has, and that is airborn mercury, mr sky is falling. So if you area uses coal your wastefull incandesant is poisoning you right now with twice the mercury, and you are breathing it now. What do I do with a mercury thermometer? *When I find one (haven't seen one for *years*, I take it to the nice man in the NBC suit. * You know, the same guy you're *supposed* to take fluorescents to. -- Keith- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is very likely the thermometer you use to see if you have a fever has mercury is it. Are you *really* that ignorant? *...or are you just an incompetent * troll? -- Keith- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You better read up, there is alot you dont know, did you ever hear of Google. |
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On Apr 30, 5:32*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:
ransley wrote: On Apr 30, 4:30 pm, krw wrote: In article a38ebf40-a884-4951-86a5-be154bb130bb@ 56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 29, 11:11 pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. The contents of those bulbs can kill you. Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 Newave Communicationshttp://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ====================- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You better learn up before you pannic chicken little. What do you do with you tube flourescents, put them in the trash, so does everyone, and the mercury? what do you do with old thermostats, well they have 10000 times as much as a bulb and what about some thermometers, 1000 times as much. Did you know a coal plant releases twice as much mercury powering a 100w bulb over its life than a cfl has, and that is airborn mercury, mr sky is falling. So if you area uses coal your wastefull incandesant is poisoning you right now with twice the mercury, and you are breathing it now. What do I do with a mercury thermometer? When I find one (haven't seen one for *years*, I take it to the nice man in the NBC suit. You know, the same guy you're *supposed* to take fluorescents to. It is very likely the thermometer you use to see if you have a fever has mercury is it. Nope, much more likely to have alcohol in it now if it isnt digital.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have them that are old, very old and they have mercury. |
Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
ransley wrote:
On Apr 30, 5:32 pm, "Rod Speed" wrote: ransley wrote: On Apr 30, 4:30 pm, krw wrote: In article a38ebf40-a884-4951-86a5-be154bb130bb@ 56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 29, 11:11 pm, "John A. Weeks III" wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: John A. Weeks III wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years for you hasn't it? Its funny you claim that the poster doesn't care about waste. You see, you can toss a regular lightbulb into the trash since it is basically safe. But the new CF bulbs are hazardous materials that have to be handled by special licensed contractors. The contents of those bulbs can kill you. Talk about waste... Mercury CFL myths: http://howtosaveenergy.blogspot.com/...ury-myths.html And when you go to this web site, what do you find? For proper disposal of a broken CFL bulb, contact your local authority for a community household hazardous waste collection. That means to me that the things are hazardous, otherwise, why call the government to get the hazardous waste collection people involved? There's always someone making excuses rather than moving forward with conservation. Same thing with global warming which this is not so coincidentally linked. There's always someone posting links to sites that they haven't read about subjects that they are ignorant of. Next you are going to tell me that you have never broken a light bulb in your entire life. So what happens when a semi-load of these CF things go off the side of a freeway bridge? Does it kill everyone in the whole neighborhood when all the bulbs break? -john- -- ================================================== ==================== John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 Newave Communicationshttp://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ====================- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You better learn up before you pannic chicken little. What do you do with you tube flourescents, put them in the trash, so does everyone, and the mercury? what do you do with old thermostats, well they have 10000 times as much as a bulb and what about some thermometers, 1000 times as much. Did you know a coal plant releases twice as much mercury powering a 100w bulb over its life than a cfl has, and that is airborn mercury, mr sky is falling. So if you area uses coal your wastefull incandesant is poisoning you right now with twice the mercury, and you are breathing it now. What do I do with a mercury thermometer? When I find one (haven't seen one for *years*, I take it to the nice man in the NBC suit. You know, the same guy you're *supposed* to take fluorescents to. It is very likely the thermometer you use to see if you have a fever has mercury is it. Nope, much more likely to have alcohol in it now if it isnt digital. I have them that are old, very old and they have mercury. Irrelevant to your claim about what others are likely to have. Its rather unlikely that many have thermometers with mercury in them anymore. |
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