This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my
opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

Brian wrote:

This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my
opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks
The bigger issue is that oil is the most significant purchase that is
being made by the USA on the world market. If you look at the cost of
oil in terms of gold (ounces of gold per barrel of oil) the price is
quite good. The problem we have is that the the value of the US dollar
has fallen precipitously outside the US.

"Brian" wrote in message
news

This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a
gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here
in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're
getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off,
but that's just my
opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here,
just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

It is higher in most other countries. Last year at this time I was in Italy
and I paid 1.2 Euro per liter for heating oil. There, it is the same price
as diesel fuel. Last year when you did the translation of Euro to US dollar
is was $6.40 per gallon. With the decline of the dollar it is much higher
today. Needless to say, we kept our villa on the cool side. We did not
have to pay electric, but the going rate was about .25/kWh, nearly double
the high price we paid here.

Much as you think we are getting screwed, the rest of the world is much more
expensive to buy energy.

Rather that just getting PO'd at Bush, find the real reasons for the high
price and properly channel your anger. Much of the blame goes to China as
they are willing to pay dearly for raw materials. Cement, steel, copper,
you name it. It will get even worse as India gets the cheap automobile.
Well, Tata for now.

Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit
$3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are
we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone
up as much in other countries around the globe ?????

No idea but we just paid $5.37/ gallon for propane. Anyone want a gas hot
water heater?
______________

I believe we're
getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war
****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion...
Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just
interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are
paying...............

Nobody wants dollars because they are worth zilch. Nevertheless, they are
getting them at the rate of 5,000 per second. Yes, FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS
PER FREAKIN' *SECOND*!!!!!!! That's the cost of Georgie's war...a war paid
for largely by borrowing. And close to 40% of that borrowing is from China.
LBJ used to be at the top of my "worst presidents"list - and that list goes
back to FDR - but Bush has replaced him.

Cost in other countries? It is going to be higher in dollars (assuming the
local currency has increased in value relative to dollars - have any NOT
done so? -) but maybe not in local currency depending on their import
dependancy. Doubt it has increased as much in Mexico, eg.

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On Mar 29, 5:54*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit
$3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... *My question is, are
we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone
up as much in other countries around the globe ?????

No idea but we just paid $5.37/ gallon for propane. *Anyone want a gas hot
water heater?
______________

I believe we're
getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war
****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion...
Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just
interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are
paying...............

Nobody wants dollars because they are worth zilch. *Nevertheless, they are
getting them at the rate of 5,000 per second. *Yes, FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS
PER FREAKIN' *SECOND*!!!!!!! *That's the cost of Georgie's war...a war paid
for largely by borrowing. *And close to 40% of that borrowing is from China.
LBJ used to be at the top of my "worst presidents"list - and that list goes
back to FDR - but Bush has replaced him.

Cost in other countries? *It is going to be higher in dollars (assuming the
local currency has increased in value relative to dollars - have any NOT
done so? -) but maybe not in local currency depending on their import
dependancy. *Doubt it has increased as much in Mexico, eg.

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What none of this specifically addresses is why certain products have
gone up a lot more than others which are also derived from crude
oil. For example, diesel has just hit $4.30 here in NJ, which puts
it around $1.25 higher than regular gasoline. That's the highest
spread I've ever seen. Diesel is essentially fuel oil, which is what
Brian is complaining about. My own suspicions would be:

1 - Refining capacity

2 - Environmental reqts that require this fuel to be cleaner, ie ultra
low sulfur, but as I recall that went into effect some time ago, and
while the spread between diesel and gasoline, crude etc widened then,
it wasn't anywhere near as wide as the spread is now.

But no one has actually adressed this. ABC news ran a story last
night about the high cost of diesel, it's effect on truckers, shipping
costs, etc, but no explanation of why it's gone up significantly more
than other petroleum products.

In article ,
Brian wrote:

This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a
gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in
the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're
getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but
that's just my
opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just
interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

Maybe it's time to step away from that SUV:

According to Environmental Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, senior
counsel for the National Resources Defense Fund:

* If we raise fuel efficiency standards in American cars by one mile
per gallon, in one year, we would save twice the amount of oil that
could be obtained from the arctic national wildlife refuge

* Raise it by 2.7 miles a gallon to eliminate all the oil imports from
Iraq and Kuwait combined

* Raise it by 7.6 mpg, we eliminate one-hundred percent of our gulf oil
imports into this country

----------

As a side benefit, if we don't need their oil, maybe we don't need to be
over there spreading "democracy" around.)

On Mar 29, 8:23*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,





*Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a
gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in
the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? *I believe we're
getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but
that's just my
opinion... *Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just
interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

Maybe it's time to step away from that SUV:

According to Environmental Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, senior
counsel for the National Resources Defense Fund:

* *If we raise fuel efficiency standards in American cars by one mile
per gallon, in one year, we would save twice the amount of oil that
could be obtained from the arctic national wildlife refuge

That's totally false. A one mile per gallon increase in avg fuel
efficiency would take decades to equal the avg estimate of what might
be in ANWR. And we don't even know how much oil there really is
there, because even very limited exploration to find out isn't
allowed. For all we know, there could be an elephant field there the
size of Saudi Arabia.



* *Raise it by 2.7 miles a gallon to eliminate all the oil imports from
Iraq and Kuwait combined

Last time I checked, Iraq's oil output was sharply curtailed and I'm
betting this number is based on some minimal amount from the last
several years, not what's there or could be produced. Funny though
that those countries get singled out among all the oil producers in
the world.



* *Raise it by 7.6 mpg, we eliminate one-hundred percent of our gulf oil
imports into this country

----------

As a side benefit, if we don't need their oil, maybe we don't need to be
over there spreading "democracy" around.)- Hide quoted text -


Now, to suggest that just because we get our oil from somewhere else,
we can just ignore the vast oil reserves and security of the mideast
is to ignore the lessons of the last century. How much oil did
Germany and Japan have?

In article ,
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:23:50 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

According to Environmental Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, senior
counsel for the National Resources Defense Fund:

Would that be he same RFKjr that blocked Cape Wind, the wind farm off
Nantucket? (along with his drunken uncle Ted, John Kerry and Mitt
Romney)

Does that disqualify the cited calculations? Maybe you don't like him,
or you think he's a hypocrite, but that doesn't invalidate the message.
I doubt he obtained those numbers from throwing darts in a pub.

On Mar 29, 7:16*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:23:50 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

According to Environmental Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, senior
counsel for the National Resources Defense Fund:

Would that be he same RFKjr that blocked Cape Wind, the wind farm off
Nantucket? (along with his drunken uncle Ted, John Kerry and Mitt
Romney)

Does that disqualify the cited calculations? Maybe you don't like him,
or you think he's a hypocrite, but that doesn't invalidate the message.
I doubt he obtained those numbers from throwing darts in a pub.


No, it doesn't totally discredit the obviously bogus number that
should set off anyone's BS detector. But it is a start. Let me
finish the discrediting process:

http://www.pollutionissues.com/A-Bo/...fe-Refuge.html
"The U.S. Geological Survey has estimated that ANWR likely holds
enough oil to supply six months of U.S. consumption, and that these
reserves would take ten years to develop. Conservationists point out
that the United States could easily save more oil than can be
extracted from ANWR by increasing automobile fuel efficiency
standards. For example, a one-mile per gallon increase in U.S.
automobile fuel efficiency for a thirty-year period would save more
oil than the projected yield from ANWR. "

The bogus claim is off by a factor of 30. Now it is totally
discredited. And that assumes that the US Geological Survey estimate
is right. How about if ANWR has an actual field the size of Saudi
Arabia or Kuwait? But, the Kennedy clan would rather go around with
a cup begging for oil from their buddy Hugo Chavez, blocking offshore
wind if it's off their shore, and spreading nonsense.

wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:16:04 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:


In article ,
wrote:


On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:23:50 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:


According to Environmental Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, senior
counsel for the National Resources Defense Fund:

Would that be he same RFKjr that blocked Cape Wind, the wind farm off
Nantucket? (along with his drunken uncle Ted, John Kerry and Mitt
Romney)

Does that disqualify the cited calculations? Maybe you don't like him,
or you think he's a hypocrite, but that doesn't invalidate the message.
I doubt he obtained those numbers from throwing darts in a pub.


I just think it is a bull**** number. In the 74 the average MPG in the
US was 12.9 and they told us creating the CAFE standard by 6MPG would
make us energy independent. In 78 it was 18. Right now it is 27.5 and
we import more oil than ever. Making it 28 or 29 is not going to
suddenly allow us to kiss off the Saudis.


Hmmm,
Look at the increasing consumption. Nixon era started talking about
alternate energy and created also EPA. Look at the size of car getting
bigger as well. People have short memory and never seem to learn.
How much money U.S. spent on Iraq war? If that was used to develope
alternate energy......

Other countries are *doing* something about this situation. For example
Germany passed a law to increase its share of renewable power to 12.5% of
the country's total power generation by 2010 and to 20% by 2020.

They are installing solar power left and right in Germany!

We could do the same, but I suppose the large oil companies which control
the U.S. government do not want this, so it will not happen here.

Might want to write your elected representatives, but if you are not
enclosing a large campaign contribution (buying their vote), expect your
request to go in one ear and out the other!


"Brian" wrote in message

This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a
gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here
in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're
getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off,
but that's just my
opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here,
just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

On Mar 29, 10:41*am, "Bill" wrote:
Other countries are *doing* something about this situation. For example
Germany passed a law to increase its share of renewable power to 12.5% of
the country's total power generation by 2010 and to 20% by 2020.

They are installing solar power left and right in Germany!

We could do the same, but I suppose the large oil companies which control
the U.S. government do not want this, so it will not happen here.

If the oil companies control the US govt, how come there is no
drilling in ANWR? How come there is no drilling off the east coast
of the US?

And exactly what law or govt action is stopping anyone from installing
solar power?

The reason solar power isn't being installed is it's prohibitively
expensive. Here in NJ, you can get a system for an average house for
$50K. The state has a program, funded through a tax on everyone's
electric bill, to help pay for it. So, they will kick in maye $30K,
leaving the homeowner to pay $20K. Just looking at the $20K cost,
it takes about 8 years for the system to pay for itself through
eliminating the monthly utility bill and selling electric back to the
utility. That ignores the true economic cost, particularly the other
$30K.

Now, look at that in a commercial setting, which is what is needed to
make a significant impact. You'd have to get the $50k somewhere,
typically it's borrowed. At 6% interest, that would be $3K a year in
interest alone, which is more than the electric generated is worth.
Add in depreciation, maintenance, ROI, etc, and it just gets worse.

That's why no one is rushing out to build solar electric. Just
because the Germans want to throw their money down a rat hole, doesn't
mean it's economically viable or that there is some oil conspiracy
blocking the US from doing it.





Might want to write your elected representatives, but if you are not
enclosing a large campaign contribution (buying their vote), expect your
request to go in one ear and out the other!



"Brian" *wrote in message

This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a
gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here
in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? *I believe we're
getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off,
but that's just my
opinion... *Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here,
just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks- Hide quoted text -

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On Mar 29, 10:16*am, wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:41*am, "Bill" wrote:

Other countries are *doing* something about this situation. For example
Germany passed a law to increase its share of renewable power to 12.5% of
the country's total power generation by 2010 and to 20% by 2020.

They are installing solar power left and right in Germany!

We could do the same, but I suppose the large oil companies which control
the U.S. government do not want this, so it will not happen here.

If the oil companies control the US govt, how come there is no
drilling in ANWR? * How come there is no drilling off the east coast
of the US?

And exactly what law or govt action is stopping anyone from installing
solar power?

The reason solar power isn't being installed is it's prohibitively
expensive. * Here in NJ, you can get a system for an average house for
$50K. * The state has a program, funded through a tax on everyone's
electric bill, to help pay for it. * So, they will kick in maye $30K,
leaving the homeowner to pay $20K. * *Just looking at the $20K cost,
it takes about 8 years for the system to pay for itself through
eliminating the monthly utility bill and selling electric back to the
utility. *That ignores the true economic cost, particularly the other
$30K.

Now, look at that in a commercial setting, which is what is needed to
make a significant impact. * You'd have to get the $50k somewhere,
typically it's borrowed. * At 6% interest, that would be $3K a year in
interest alone, which is more than the electric generated is worth.
Add in depreciation, maintenance, ROI, etc, and it just gets worse.

That's why no one is rushing out to build solar electric. * Just
because the Germans want to throw their money down a rat hole, doesn't
mean it's economically viable or that there is some oil conspiracy
blocking the US from doing it.



Might want to write your elected representatives, but if you are not
enclosing a large campaign contribution (buying their vote), expect your
request to go in one ear and out the other!

"Brian" *wrote in message

This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a
gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here
in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? *I believe we're
getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off,
but that's just my
opinion... *Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here,
just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks- Hide quoted text -

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Now that everything has been said about the subject. We should all
dim our lights today to "Go green". It's going to save us from
ourselves.

Green this "\~!@#$%^&*()_+\"

Brent Bolin wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:16 am, wrote:



Now that everything has been said about the subject. We should all
dim our lights today to "Go green". It's going to save us from
ourselves.

Green this "\~!@#$%^&*()_+\"

If you're a Google fan, don't go there today. You'll come away ****ed

Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my
opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

It's simplistic thinking like yours that helps maintain the situation.

I could give you technical and economic answers probably beyond your
comprehension but they all lie within this thread.

Right now the speculators are screwing you but the majority of the
problem is with the environmentalists and government micromanagement.

On Mar 28, 5:01 pm, Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my
opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

Check out who gets what % of the $ in your state & see who is in your
pocket.
Bet you will find that it is the state.

On Mar 28, 7:01*pm, Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? *I believe we're getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my
opinion... *Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

It is not in US only, the prices in Europe are doubled and it is not
because of Gorge Bush war, gas prices in Europe have been always 2 - 3
times higher. Actually the cost of living in Europe is 3 times more
expensive than here in US, if you don't believe just try to live 3
years in Europe and will see:-)

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europeanvic wrote:
On Mar 28, 7:01 pm, Brian wrote:

It is not in US only, the prices in Europe are doubled and it is not
because of Gorge Bush war, gas prices in Europe have been always 2 - 3
times higher. Actually the cost of living in Europe is 3 times more
expensive than here in US, if you don't believe just try to live 3
years in Europe and will see:-)

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It's all tax in Europe that causes the double gas price.
There are politicians that would like to emulate this in the US.
Personally I do not like "sin" taxes as they make the government
dependent on the sin for their income.

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:01:54 -0400, Brian wrote:


This may be off topic but here goes............

The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since
September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price
gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our
backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my
opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what
other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying...............

Thanks

I'm wondering why nobody from some places other than the USA chimed in here...... I'd love to know
what a gallon of heating oil costs in Canada, the UK, Germany etc. Hmmmmmmmmmm............

Brian

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