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Are we the only ones getting screwed ?????
This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks |
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Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks The bigger issue is that oil is the most significant purchase that is being made by the USA on the world market. If you look at the cost of oil in terms of gold (ounces of gold per barrel of oil) the price is quite good. The problem we have is that the the value of the US dollar has fallen precipitously outside the US. |
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On Mar 28, 8:07�pm, Brent Bolin wrote:
On Mar 28, 7:42�pm, Boden wrote: Brian wrote: This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... �My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? �I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... �Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks The bigger issue is that oil is the most significant purchase that is being made by the USA on the world market. �If you look at the cost of oil in terms of gold (ounces of gold per barrel of oil) the price is quite good. �The problem we have is that the the value of the US dollar has fallen precipitously outside the US. The problem we have in the U.S. is no drilling or refining. �Going green is the problem. �It is reflected in the green that comes out of your wallet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - around pittsburgh theres a boom of new oil and gas wells, a friend sold his mineral rights, company drilled a 5000 foot well, he gets free gas and some money |
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Put on another sweater. Our government is not responsible for the world-wide price of oil. Oil is fungible. the fast and loose devaluing of our money is at least partially from ru away war spending and the lack of any energy policy at all. big oil owns the white house and congress, and were getting screwed |
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, " wrote: Put on another sweater. Our government is not responsible for the world-wide price of oil. Oil is fungible. the fast and loose devaluing of our money is at least partially from ru away war spending and the lack of any energy policy at all. The lack of energy policy is a chronic condition from the 70s forward. Pretty much all of the world's oil fields (including the big ones in Saudi) have passed their peaks and are on the way down. |
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On Mar 28, 7:15 pm, " wrote:
Put on another sweater. Our government is not responsible for the world-wide price of oil. Oil is fungible. the fast and loose devaluing of our money is at least partially from ru away war spending and the lack of any energy policy at all. big oil owns the white house and congress, and were getting screwed High oil prices IS an energy policy (albeit not a planned one--Bush isn't responsible for it) With high oil prices, alternative energy will gain strength. If oil is cheap, we won't change. I've been advocating $5.00 per gallon for gas for some years now. However, I would have like to have seen it gradually, and through taxation, instead of a dollar devaluation and a rise in world consumption. |
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"Brian" wrote in message ... This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks It is higher in most other countries. Last year at this time I was in Italy and I paid 1.2 Euro per liter for heating oil. There, it is the same price as diesel fuel. Last year when you did the translation of Euro to US dollar is was $6.40 per gallon. With the decline of the dollar it is much higher today. Needless to say, we kept our villa on the cool side. We did not have to pay electric, but the going rate was about .25/kWh, nearly double the high price we paid here. Much as you think we are getting screwed, the rest of the world is much more expensive to buy energy. Rather that just getting PO'd at Bush, find the real reasons for the high price and properly channel your anger. Much of the blame goes to China as they are willing to pay dearly for raw materials. Cement, steel, copper, you name it. It will get even worse as India gets the cheap automobile. Well, Tata for now. |
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"Brent Bolin" wrote The problem we have in the U.S. is no drilling or refining. Going green is the problem. It is reflected in the green that comes out of your wallet. Where do you get your information? http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rrels.2FDay.29 |
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"Brent Bolin" wrote in message ... On Mar 28, 7:42 pm, Boden wrote: Brian wrote: This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks The bigger issue is that oil is the most significant purchase that is being made by the USA on the world market. If you look at the cost of oil in terms of gold (ounces of gold per barrel of oil) the price is quite good. The problem we have is that the the value of the US dollar has fallen precipitously outside the US. The problem we have in the U.S. is no drilling or refining. Going green is the problem. It is reflected in the green that comes out of your wallet. The problem is all of the above and then some. The irony is we have plenty of oil in the ground and a coal reserve of 200 years. No nuclear power plant construction in decades either. Looks like oil will remain above $100/barrel for a long time. I just paid $3.44/gallon for regular at Costco. Its relatively cheap compare with some part of Europe at around $8/gallon. But the Europeans are driving smaller and more efficient cars. They have much more efficient clean diesel, we don't. But we don't care, we love our cars, full size trucks and SUVs, very few takes public transportation and even fewer car pools. 300hp is good, 400hp is better and 500hp would be ideal, everyone should be able to do 0-60mph under 3.5 seconds. Our auto industry is going backwards but they only manufacture what people buys. We all knew its coming when we had those long lines wrapped around the block waiting at the pumps during the 1970s. Corn ethanol is a joke and a disaster. Don't blame Bush, he didn't start this and won't be able to end it either. Neither could Hillary, Obama or McCain. We had done so little since and now in a position of transferring our wealth to various countries that really don't like us. At this rate we will be poor and don't have the means to defend a major attack. What was that old saying? We have found the enemy and it is us. |
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"Todd" wrote in message ... "Brent Bolin" wrote The problem we have in the U.S. is no drilling or refining. Going green is the problem. It is reflected in the green that comes out of your wallet. Where do you get your information? http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rrels.2FDay.29 He mean no *new* drilling or refining. Our neighbors are drilling offshore nex to our borders wiith what should have been our oil. |
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Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? No idea but we just paid $5.37/ gallon for propane. Anyone want a gas hot water heater? ______________ I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Nobody wants dollars because they are worth zilch. Nevertheless, they are getting them at the rate of 5,000 per second. Yes, FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER FREAKIN' *SECOND*!!!!!!! That's the cost of Georgie's war...a war paid for largely by borrowing. And close to 40% of that borrowing is from China. LBJ used to be at the top of my "worst presidents"list - and that list goes back to FDR - but Bush has replaced him. Cost in other countries? It is going to be higher in dollars (assuming the local currency has increased in value relative to dollars - have any NOT done so? -) but maybe not in local currency depending on their import dependancy. Doubt it has increased as much in Mexico, eg. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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On Mar 29, 5:54*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Brian wrote: This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? No idea but we just paid $5.37/ gallon for propane. *Anyone want a gas hot water heater? ______________ I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Nobody wants dollars because they are worth zilch. *Nevertheless, they are getting them at the rate of 5,000 per second. *Yes, FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER FREAKIN' *SECOND*!!!!!!! *That's the cost of Georgie's war...a war paid for largely by borrowing. *And close to 40% of that borrowing is from China. LBJ used to be at the top of my "worst presidents"list - and that list goes back to FDR - but Bush has replaced him. Cost in other countries? *It is going to be higher in dollars (assuming the local currency has increased in value relative to dollars - have any NOT done so? -) but maybe not in local currency depending on their import dependancy. *Doubt it has increased as much in Mexico, eg. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico What none of this specifically addresses is why certain products have gone up a lot more than others which are also derived from crude oil. For example, diesel has just hit $4.30 here in NJ, which puts it around $1.25 higher than regular gasoline. That's the highest spread I've ever seen. Diesel is essentially fuel oil, which is what Brian is complaining about. My own suspicions would be: 1 - Refining capacity 2 - Environmental reqts that require this fuel to be cleaner, ie ultra low sulfur, but as I recall that went into effect some time ago, and while the spread between diesel and gasoline, crude etc widened then, it wasn't anywhere near as wide as the spread is now. But no one has actually adressed this. ABC news ran a story last night about the high cost of diesel, it's effect on truckers, shipping costs, etc, but no explanation of why it's gone up significantly more than other petroleum products. |
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Brian wrote: This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks Maybe it's time to step away from that SUV: According to Environmental Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, senior counsel for the National Resources Defense Fund: * If we raise fuel efficiency standards in American cars by one mile per gallon, in one year, we would save twice the amount of oil that could be obtained from the arctic national wildlife refuge * Raise it by 2.7 miles a gallon to eliminate all the oil imports from Iraq and Kuwait combined * Raise it by 7.6 mpg, we eliminate one-hundred percent of our gulf oil imports into this country ---------- As a side benefit, if we don't need their oil, maybe we don't need to be over there spreading "democracy" around.) |
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On Mar 29, 8:23*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *Brian wrote: This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? *I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... *Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks Maybe it's time to step away from that SUV: According to Environmental Attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, senior counsel for the National Resources Defense Fund: * *If we raise fuel efficiency standards in American cars by one mile per gallon, in one year, we would save twice the amount of oil that could be obtained from the arctic national wildlife refuge That's totally false. A one mile per gallon increase in avg fuel efficiency would take decades to equal the avg estimate of what might be in ANWR. And we don't even know how much oil there really is there, because even very limited exploration to find out isn't allowed. For all we know, there could be an elephant field there the size of Saudi Arabia. * *Raise it by 2.7 miles a gallon to eliminate all the oil imports from Iraq and Kuwait combined Last time I checked, Iraq's oil output was sharply curtailed and I'm betting this number is based on some minimal amount from the last several years, not what's there or could be produced. Funny though that those countries get singled out among all the oil producers in the world. * *Raise it by 7.6 mpg, we eliminate one-hundred percent of our gulf oil imports into this country ---------- As a side benefit, if we don't need their oil, maybe we don't need to be over there spreading "democracy" around.)- Hide quoted text - Now, to suggest that just because we get our oil from somewhere else, we can just ignore the vast oil reserves and security of the mideast is to ignore the lessons of the last century. How much oil did Germany and Japan have? |
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*745 watts/sq meter at the equator, at noon, with no clouds. What planet do you live on? :-) Nick |
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feds should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help
bring price down a little temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax feds should allow cheap dirty econo car sales in the US for a limited number of years. low power they wouldnt be allowed on some roads, lower safety. but say 50 MPG minimum. such cars are sold in other countries thru out the world now before you gewt your panties in a wad, people use motorcycles for transportation too, and by all means any car should be safer than a harley... all of these would help our short term problem. the cost of in action is a major recession.......... and most importandly change funding of all national elections completely. limit 100 bucks per person, no corporate giving to candidates. so our representives arent bought and sold anymore |
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Other countries are *doing* something about this situation. For example
Germany passed a law to increase its share of renewable power to 12.5% of the country's total power generation by 2010 and to 20% by 2020. They are installing solar power left and right in Germany! We could do the same, but I suppose the large oil companies which control the U.S. government do not want this, so it will not happen here. Might want to write your elected representatives, but if you are not enclosing a large campaign contribution (buying their vote), expect your request to go in one ear and out the other! "Brian" wrote in message This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks |
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On Mar 29, 10:41*am, "Bill" wrote:
Other countries are *doing* something about this situation. For example Germany passed a law to increase its share of renewable power to 12.5% of the country's total power generation by 2010 and to 20% by 2020. They are installing solar power left and right in Germany! We could do the same, but I suppose the large oil companies which control the U.S. government do not want this, so it will not happen here. If the oil companies control the US govt, how come there is no drilling in ANWR? How come there is no drilling off the east coast of the US? And exactly what law or govt action is stopping anyone from installing solar power? The reason solar power isn't being installed is it's prohibitively expensive. Here in NJ, you can get a system for an average house for $50K. The state has a program, funded through a tax on everyone's electric bill, to help pay for it. So, they will kick in maye $30K, leaving the homeowner to pay $20K. Just looking at the $20K cost, it takes about 8 years for the system to pay for itself through eliminating the monthly utility bill and selling electric back to the utility. That ignores the true economic cost, particularly the other $30K. Now, look at that in a commercial setting, which is what is needed to make a significant impact. You'd have to get the $50k somewhere, typically it's borrowed. At 6% interest, that would be $3K a year in interest alone, which is more than the electric generated is worth. Add in depreciation, maintenance, ROI, etc, and it just gets worse. That's why no one is rushing out to build solar electric. Just because the Germans want to throw their money down a rat hole, doesn't mean it's economically viable or that there is some oil conspiracy blocking the US from doing it. Might want to write your elected representatives, but if you are not enclosing a large campaign contribution (buying their vote), expect your request to go in one ear and out the other! "Brian" *wrote in message This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? *I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... *Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Mar 29, 10:02*am, " wrote:
feds should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help bring price down a little Loosening any gasoline formulation regulations is only going to bring the price down a little. Given that gas prices have about tripled, it doesn't seem to me that any small change in the price is going to be worth dirty air. temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax Yeah, they could do that. I think it's about 16 cents. But without a corresponding decrease in spending, it would add to the deficit, feds should allow cheap dirty econo car sales in the US for a limited number of years. low power they wouldnt be allowed on some roads, lower safety. but say 50 MPG minimum. such cars are sold in other countries thru out the world Where are these cheap dirty cars being driven? Certainly not in Europe, Japan, Canada, etc. Maybe in China, where they don't give a damn about the environment. I don't understand why they need to be dirty. We have reasonable cost cars here getting very good mileage that also meet all US regulations. The problem is, people haven't been buying them. They've been buying bigger cars and more importantly SUV's, so clearly price isn't the problem. now before you gewt your panties in a wad, people use motorcycles for transportation too, and by all means any car should be safer than a harley... all of these would help our short term problem. the cost of in action is a major recession.......... How is allowing cheap dirty cars into the US a short term solution to anything? and most importandly change funding of all national elections completely. limit 100 bucks per person, no corporate giving to candidates. so our representives arent bought and sold anymore IMO, unconstitutional. |
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feds should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help bring price down a little Loosening any gasoline formulation regulations is only going to bring the price down a little. � Given that gas prices have about tripled, it doesn't seem to me that any small change in the price is going to be worth dirty air. a little here, a little there. it all adds up in the end. diesel has soared in cost because of the low sulphur regulations temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax Yeah, they could do that. �I think it's about 16 cents. � But without a corresponding decrease in spending, it would add to the deficit, Unemployment benefits welfare and all the rest to help a recession costs too. better to start the help at the top. feds should allow cheap dirty econo car sales in the US for a limited number of years. low power they wouldnt be allowed on some roads, lower safety. but say 50 MPG minimum. such cars are sold in other countries thru out the world Where are these cheap dirty cars being driven? � Certainly not in Europe, Japan, Canada, etc. � �Maybe in China, where they don't give a damn about the environment. � I don't understand why they need to be dirty. � We have reasonable cost cars here getting very good mileage that also meet all US regulations. � The problem is, people haven't been buying them. �They've been buying bigger cars and more importantly SUV's, so clearly price isn't the problem. add a fuel hog tax to any new vehicle getting under 20 MPG. sure car companies will miss the SUV sales but its important. now before you get your panties in a wad, people use motorcycles for transportation too, and by all means any car should be safer than a harley... all of these would help our short term problem. the cost of in action is a major recession.......... How is allowing cheap dirty cars into the US a short term solution to anything? they get excellent gas mileage around 50MPG the tata costs 2500 bucks, so lots of americans could afford a commuter or around home car. and most importandly change funding of all national elections completely. limit 100 bucks per person, no corporate giving to candidates. so our representives arent bought and sold anymore IMO, unconstitutional. theres lots of rules on fundraising, this would just be more restrictive........ and great for our country. and necessary, just look at congress in the last 10 years, they are pathetic we also need to look at what america can afford to do in the world? wht should we still have military in europe? japan etc? pre set hardened bases, with skelton crews, our troops back hme spending their money here, providing border security etc...... currently our troops are just fiancial aid to other countries, like germany. definetely keep active bases in s korea etc........ in this day and age we can create a system to get our troops to any part of the world in a day or two |
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Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks It's simplistic thinking like yours that helps maintain the situation. I could give you technical and economic answers probably beyond your comprehension but they all lie within this thread. Right now the speculators are screwing you but the majority of the problem is with the environmentalists and government micromanagement. |
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On Mar 29, 10:16*am, wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:41*am, "Bill" wrote: Other countries are *doing* something about this situation. For example Germany passed a law to increase its share of renewable power to 12.5% of the country's total power generation by 2010 and to 20% by 2020. They are installing solar power left and right in Germany! We could do the same, but I suppose the large oil companies which control the U.S. government do not want this, so it will not happen here. If the oil companies control the US govt, how come there is no drilling in ANWR? * How come there is no drilling off the east coast of the US? And exactly what law or govt action is stopping anyone from installing solar power? The reason solar power isn't being installed is it's prohibitively expensive. * Here in NJ, you can get a system for an average house for $50K. * The state has a program, funded through a tax on everyone's electric bill, to help pay for it. * So, they will kick in maye $30K, leaving the homeowner to pay $20K. * *Just looking at the $20K cost, it takes about 8 years for the system to pay for itself through eliminating the monthly utility bill and selling electric back to the utility. *That ignores the true economic cost, particularly the other $30K. Now, look at that in a commercial setting, which is what is needed to make a significant impact. * You'd have to get the $50k somewhere, typically it's borrowed. * At 6% interest, that would be $3K a year in interest alone, which is more than the electric generated is worth. Add in depreciation, maintenance, ROI, etc, and it just gets worse. That's why no one is rushing out to build solar electric. * Just because the Germans want to throw their money down a rat hole, doesn't mean it's economically viable or that there is some oil conspiracy blocking the US from doing it. Might want to write your elected representatives, but if you are not enclosing a large campaign contribution (buying their vote), expect your request to go in one ear and out the other! "Brian" *wrote in message This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? *I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... *Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now that everything has been said about the subject. We should all dim our lights today to "Go green". It's going to save us from ourselves. Green this "\~!@#$%^&*()_+\" |
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On Mar 29, 11:55Â*am, " wrote:
feds should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help bring price down a little Loosening any gasoline formulation regulations is only going to bring the price down a little. � Given that gas prices have about tripled, it doesn't seem to me that any small change in the price is going to be worth dirty air. a little here, a little there. it all adds up in the end. diesel has soared in cost because of the low sulphur regulations temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax Yeah, they could do that. �I think it's about 16 cents. � But without a corresponding decrease in spending, it would add to the deficit, Unemployment benefits welfare and all the rest to help a recession costs too. better to start the help at the top. feds should allow cheap dirty econo car sales in the US for a limited number of years. low power they wouldnt be allowed on some roads, lower safety. but say 50 MPG minimum. such cars are sold in other countries thru out the world Where are these cheap dirty cars being driven? � Certainly not in Europe, Japan, Canada, etc. � �Maybe in China, where they don't give a damn about the environment. � I don't understand why they need to be dirty. � We have reasonable cost cars here getting very good mileage that also meet all US regulations. � The problem is, people haven't been buying them. �They've been buying bigger cars and more importantly SUV's, so clearly price isn't the problem. add a fuel hog tax to any new vehicle getting under 20 MPG. sure car companies will miss the SUV sales but its important. now before you get your panties in a wad, people use motorcycles for transportation too, and by all means any car should be safer than a harley... all of these would help our short term problem. the cost of in action is a major recession.......... How is allowing cheap dirty cars into the US a short term solution to anything? they get excellent gas mileage around 50MPG the tata costs 2500 bucks, so lots of americans could afford a commuter or around home car. And again, how is this a SHORT term solution to gasoline demand? And the problem is most people are buying bigger, more expensive cars and particularly SUV's, instead of cars like the cheaper Honda Civic, which gets 30/40MPG then how does offering a $2500 Indian **** box solve anything? If anything it would likely increase the fuel usage problem, by putting MORE cars on the road. People would use them as cheap second, third or fourth cars and we would go back 30 years in air and safety standards in the process. and most importandly change funding of all national elections completely. limit 100 bucks per person, no corporate giving to candidates. so our representives arent bought and sold anymore IMO, unconstitutional. theres lots of rules on fundraising, this would just be more restrictive........ and great for our country. and necessary, just look at congress in the last 10 years, they are pathetic we also need to look at what america can afford to do in the world? wht should we still have military in europe? japan etc? pre set hardened bases, with skelton crews, Â*our troops back hme spending their money here, providing border security etc...... currently our troops are just fiancial aid to other countries, like germany. definetely keep active bases in s korea etc........ in this day and age we can create a system to get our troops to any part of the world in a day or two |
Are we the only ones getting screwed ?????
On Mar 28, 5:01 pm, Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks Check out who gets what % of the $ in your state & see who is in your pocket. Bet you will find that it is the state. |
Are we the only ones getting screwed ?????
Brent Bolin wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:16 am, wrote: Now that everything has been said about the subject. We should all dim our lights today to "Go green". It's going to save us from ourselves. Green this "\~!@#$%^&*()_+\" If you're a Google fan, don't go there today. You'll come away ****ed ;) |
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On Mar 29, 4:59 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Virtually every survey shows that the cost of oil is not a deterrent to its use. Oil is not price elastic. Like food, fuel is a necessity and increasing the price - through taxes or supply/demand - only nibbles at the margins. Sure it's elastic! It's just not IMMEDIATELY elastic. You have to be able to buy the more efficient car, or the alternative transportation has to be made available. At $1.00/gallon, carpooling isn't "reasonable". At $5.00, it sure as heck becomes reasonable. Cheap gas = SUV. Expensive gas = higher mpg car. Europeans live a comfortable lifestyle, and for many years their gas has been at a price that would cause a revolt here in the guzzler nation. Doubling the cost of fuel means adding 10% to the cost of almost everything that travels by truck. That translates to about a 30% increase at the retail level. Yep, that's just the point. Maybe we'd grow produce locally instead of trucking it all over. Maybe we wouldn't be bottling water in Europe and Hawaii, just so some bunchasnobs can pretend they know the difference. Alternative energies may gain influence, but there are two things to consider when pinning hopes on such plans: 1. Solar energy is dependent entirely on the earth's distance from the sun*. It would take a solar collector farm the size of the Los Angeles basin to provide electricity for just California. Solar may vary with the distance. But it's relatively trivial. Put solar on all the roofs in LA, and you make a big difference without taking any land up. 2. Meddling in the natural order causes unintended consequences. Conversion of traditional crops to grow corn (for example) has contributed to a doubling of rice prices in only one year (now up to $1000/ton from $360 in January 2007). Just this past week, Egypt, Pakistan, and Viet Nam stopped the export of locally grown rice to forstall famine and inflation. Here, you are absolutely correct. I am not a fan of ethanol from crops, primarily because there isn't sufficient gain in energy after you consider the farming, trucking, processing, fertilizing, water pumping, and land consumption. The price of tortillas for Mexicans has jumped substantially since we started putting corn in our gas tanks. The whole thing is a moneymaker for Archer Daniels Midland, which gets huge subsidies from the feds, even though they make huge amounts of money from the crops. And don't get me started on crop subsidies for the farmers themselves. It's a racket. ------- *745 watts/sq meter at the equator, at noon, with no clouds. Adjusted for latitude, night, and cloud cover, a solar collector farm in, say, Arizona might average 100-200 watts/sq m. Without a collector, people in AZ use fossil or nuclear fuels to cool their homes. |
Are we the only ones getting screwed ?????
On Mar 29, 7:02 am, " wrote:
feds should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help bring price down a little temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax That gas tax isn't enough to make a difference. RAISE the tax, and use it for alternative development, efficient mass transit, etc. |
Are we the only ones getting screwed ?????
On Mar 29, 5:14�pm, wrote:
On Mar 29, 7:02 am, " wrote: feds should loosen smog regulations on gasoline and additives, to help bring price down a little temporarily suspend the federal gasoline tax That gas tax isn't enough to make a difference. �RAISE the tax, and use it for alternative development, efficient mass transit, etc. unrestrained higher costs of gasoline means less spending on everything else............. its killing our economy. might be better to take the hit on lost gas tax revenue, than pay tons more for unemployment welfare etc |
Are we the only ones getting screwed ?????
incidently my local home depot reports sales are dead, part timers
hours cut. the place was empty....... normally they are hiring at this time:( |
Are we the only ones getting screwed ?????
On Mar 28, 7:01*pm, Brian wrote:
This may be off topic but here goes............ The price of home heating oil here in New Hampshire, USA just hit $3.799 a gallon, up $1.50 since September..... *My question is, are we the only ones getting screwed here in the US or has the price gone up as much in other countries around the globe ????? *I believe we're getting it shoved up our backsides because of George Bush's war ****ing the rest of the world off, but that's just my opinion... *Please, I'm not looking to start a long flaming thread here, just interested in what other people in other "non Bush" countries are paying............... Thanks It is not in US only, the prices in Europe are doubled and it is not because of Gorge Bush war, gas prices in Europe have been always 2 - 3 times higher. Actually the cost of living in Europe is 3 times more expensive than here in US, if you don't believe just try to live 3 years in Europe and will see:-) http://www.planorealestateadvisor.com http://www.planorealty.blogspot.com |
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"dadiOH" wrote in message Could we also go back to using freight trains? You know...by train from major place to major place, by truck from major to local. I seem to remember that worked well. Sure, but it took a little longer. In this day of instant gratification where things MUST go FedEx red we don't have the patience to wait a few more days. I have seen though, where 53' containers can go by rail and be more economical than straight truck routing. At $4+ for diesel, trains would make a lot of sense. Passenger trains too! |
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Are we the only ones getting screwed ?????
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message .. . "dadiOH" wrote in message Could we also go back to using freight trains? You know...by train from major place to major place, by truck from major to local. I seem to remember that worked well. Sure, but it took a little longer. In this day of instant gratification where things MUST go FedEx red we don't have the patience to wait a few more days. I have seen though, where 53' containers can go by rail and be more economical than straight truck routing. At $4+ for diesel, trains would make a lot of sense. Passenger trains too! Not on subject, looks like investing in rail transportation maybe a good long term strategy. Trains are coming back. |
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