I'm looking to make the best of a bad situation and was hoping to hear advice from creative experts.

Here is the situation.

I live in a two room apartment on the fifth floor of a twelve story 1905 brick building.

My front room has two large five foot high windows that slide open horizontally.

They open out onto what is essentially a cauldron-like chimney tube about 20 x 20 wide.

Who knows? Perhaps in the old days they burned logs down below and it helped heat the apartments?

Anyway, it's intolerable in the summer here and even though there is a forty pound air conditioner in each room that vents out, they really only bring the temperature down from about 98 degrees to maybe 94 degree-and at a significant cost.

Are there other ways to cool the apartment?

Since I notice in the winter that I can feel cold air coming in from around the window area, that there is significant airflow even with the windows shut.

Should I try to line the windows with tin foil? Would that help?

Perhaps I should station a de-humidifier somewhere in the unit as well?

Thanks,

On Mar 2, 10:14 pm, ART Vanderlay itscritter[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
I'm looking to make the best of a bad situation and was hoping to hear advice from creative experts.

Here is the situation.

I live in a two room apartment on the fifth floor of a twelve story 1905 brick building.

My front room has two large five foot high windows that slide open horizontally.

They open out onto what is essentially a cauldron-like chimney tube about 20 x 20 wide.

Who knows? Perhaps in the old days they burned logs down below and it helped heat the apartments?

Anyway, it's intolerable in the summer here and even though there is a forty pound air conditioner in each room that vents out, they really only bring the temperature down from about 98 degrees to maybe 94 degree-and at a significant cost.

Are there other ways to cool the apartment?

Since I notice in the winter that I can feel cold air coming in from around the window area, that there is significant airflow even with the windows shut.

Should I try to line the windows with tin foil? Would that help?

Perhaps I should station a de-humidifier somewhere in the unit as well?

Thanks,

There are other ways, but if you don't own the apartment, they
probably don't make sense. Also, part of the problem is probably the
lack of insulation in your place. Also, 40 lbs as a "rating' for an
air conditioner doesn't make much sense. How many Btu's are they?

Finally, you haven't said how big your apartment is. If it is a 2,000
sf 2 Br, you probably are expecting too much out of your window
units. If it is 500 sf, it is a different story.

Where does one buy "tin foil" these days, and why wouldn't you get a
"window film" kit instead, so you can see through it?

JK

Art,

The're called air shafts and they provide ventilation. You don't tell us
how big your apartment is, how high it's ceilings are, or how big your
window units are. You do mention that the windows have considerable air
leak.
So fix the leaks or get the landlord to deal with them. This probably
will involve buying a tube of caulk. When you reinstall the AC units next
Summer pay close attention to sealing and insulatins around the units. A
lousy install is a guaranteed leak. If you have high ceilings consider
getting a ceiling fan (with your landlord's permission).

Dave M.

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You may want to call the city to see if the landlord is in compliance
with codes, or if there are no codes, see if there are any incentives
available to you or the landlord for dealing with efficient cooling.

In general, you will want good shades over any south-facing and east-
facing windows. Keep the number of open windows to a minimum, have
one with a fan that blows out (on the south or east side) and one with
a fan that blows in (on the north or west side). Then you will at
least have a current of the coolest possible air. It's not really a
solution, but it may help some.

Thank you for tackling the puzzle with me.

The air conditioners are 9300 BTU and although the apartment is only 530 sf, these two units do very little to cool things even when I had one replaced.

They don't overhang as they are encased in interior hinged housings that are 2 feet high, 2 feet deep and four feet across.

I've found that if they run for more than four hours, that ice forms and then that eventually drips onto my floors.

The landlord won't allow ceiling fans even though the ceilings are a shade underneath ten feet tall.

Perhaps I should get a powerful fan and blast it toward the center of the room. Would a dehumidifier be practical as well?

The windows all face on way and since they basically open up into the shaft of a 20 foot by 20 foot chimney, there's nothing to look out at and no current of air to speak of.

I will definitely investigate window film kits.

The two windows are 6 feet high and 4 feet across.

There also appears to be some sort of underfloor leak as we had to replace the floorboards last summer when they rose and broke apart even though the landlord insisted that it was incidental and from a kitchen leak.

Being that the windows are single paned, I don't know what I can do to better insulate. Upon looking into the air conditioning unit housings, I don't see any daylight or sense any direct temperature input from outside, but is there perhaps a way for me to better insulate that?

On Mar 3, 12:59 pm, ART Vanderlay itscritter[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Thank you for tackling the puzzle with me.

The air conditioners are 9300 BTU and although the apartment is only 530 sf, these two units do very little to cool things even when I had one replaced.

They don't overhang as they are encased in interior hinged housings that are 2 feet high, 2 feet deep and four feet across.

I've found that if they run for more than four hours, that ice forms and then that eventually drips onto my floors.

The landlord won't allow ceiling fans even though the ceilings are a shade underneath ten feet tall.

Perhaps I should get a powerful fan and blast it toward the center of the room. Would a dehumidifier be practical as well?

The windows all face on way and since they basically open up into the shaft of a 20 foot by 20 foot chimney, there's nothing to look out at and no current of air to speak of.

I will definitely investigate window film kits.

The two windows are 6 feet high and 4 feet across.

There also appears to be some sort of underfloor leak as we had to replace the floorboards last summer when they rose and broke apart even though the landlord insisted that it was incidental and from a kitchen leak.

Being that the windows are single paned, I don't know what I can do to better insulate. Upon looking into the air conditioning unit housings, I don't see any daylight or sense any direct temperature input from outside, but is there perhaps a way for me to better insulate that?


A dehumidifier will raise the temperature in the room.

It sounds as though the AC units are not functioning properly due to
insufficient airflow.
Could you describe better the mounting boxes, and the provision for
inside and outside airflow in the boxes?


Dave

"ART Vanderlay" itscritter[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
Thank you for tackling the puzzle with me.

The air conditioners are 9300 BTU and although the apartment is only 530
sf, these two units do very little to cool things even when I had one
replaced.
They don't overhang as they are encased in interior hinged housings that
are 2 feet high, 2 feet deep and four feet across.

I've found that if they run for more than four hours, that ice forms and
then that eventually drips onto my floors.

The landlord won't allow ceiling fans even though the ceilings are a shade
underneath ten feet tall.
Perhaps I should get a powerful fan and blast it toward the center of the
room. Would a dehumidifier be practical as well?

The windows all face on way and since they basically open up into the
shaft of a 20 foot by 20 foot chimney, there's nothing to look out at and
no current of air to speak of.

I will definitely investigate window film kits.

The two windows are 6 feet high and 4 feet across.
There also appears to be some sort of underfloor leak as we had to replace
the floorboards last summer when they rose and broke apart even though the
landlord insisted that it was incidental and from a kitchen leak.
Being that the windows are single paned, I don't know what I can do to
better insulate. Upon looking into the air conditioning unit housings, I
don't see any daylight or sense any direct temperature input from outside,
but is there perhaps a way for me to better insulate that?

Ice formation is a strong indication of improper operation of the air
conditioners. It might seem otherwise but an air conditioner which makes ice
is not doing much cooling of the air. It is most likely caused by either low
refrigerant in the units or insufficient air flow. If the filters are not
obstructing the airflow because they need cleaning or replacing, you need to
have a good serviceman check the units out.

Don Young

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Do you have exterior walls that do not have windows, or is the wall
with the windows the only exterior wall in the place? In some places,
code requires all exterior walls to have at least one window, so I
would call whatever housing authority there is and see if anything can
be done.

I heard of a guy who lived in the desert without air conditioning. He
kept his freezer full of ice blocks. Every night he would set an ice
block in a pan in front of a fan pointed at him, and that kept him
cool enough to get a good night's sleep.

As the other posters said, your air conditioners are malfunctioning,
and a dehumidifier will heat up the room even more.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:48:27 -0800 (PST), G Francis
wrote:

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You may want to call the city to see if the landlord is in compliance
with codes,

This is almost the last thing he should do. Landlords don't like it
when a tenant complains to code enforcement, especially if they are in
compliance but now they have an inspector on their neck.

What he might want to do is find out what the code requires and decide
upon his own inspection if the landlord is providing it, and then deal
straight with the landlord to get it. But I didn't see anything that
implies the landlord isn't meeting all the codes.

Unless this was an illegal conversion of one large apartment to two
small ones. But if that turns out to be the case, the city will
insist it be put back to one apartment, and one of the two tenants
will have to leave and the other will have to pay for a much bigger
apartment. Details depend on the city and other things, but it's
generally not in a tenant's interest to make a todo about living in an
illegal dwelling. He may well cause himself to have to leave. But I
don't think any of this paragraph applies here.

or if there are no codes, see if there are any incentives
available to you or the landlord for dealing with efficient cooling.

In general, you will want good shades over any south-facing and east-
facing windows. Keep the number of open windows to a minimum, have
one with a fan that blows out (on the south or east side) and one with
a fan that blows in (on the north or west side). Then you will at
least have a current of the coolest possible air. It's not really a
solution, but it may help some.

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:59:00 -0600, ART Vanderlay
itscritter[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:


The landlord won't allow ceiling fans even though the ceilings are a shade underneath ten feet tall.

Perhaps I should get a powerful fan and blast it toward the center of the room.

I'm wondering if a fan that blows up might not do more good. I don't
think we have discussed this here before, but if it forces colder air
up, won't that push the warmer air down. And the fan can sit on the
floor. It might even be 6 feet tall.

But I have had my best results with small fans that I position to blow
right on me. Even now, when I have central air, I rarely use it and
have a fan on the window sill above my bed, another on the file
cabinet next to my desk, another on or next to the tv on the kitchen
table, and a big one on the tv in the living room. I have each of
them controlled with a fan speed control, an external control because
I got all these fans out of the trash or at the Goodwill. If you are
interested in how to get good fan speed controllers, post back or
write me.

The windows all face on way and since they basically open up into the shaft of a 20 foot by 20 foot chimney, there's nothing to look out at and no current of air to speak of.

There is more air than there would be without it. Imagine that the
part of the building 20 feet away was 5 feet away instead. Or that it
was right up against the windows, and you had no windows. 20 feet is
pretty good. As to living on the inside of the building: That's why
it was available. The previous tenants found an apartment with a
view, so they moved.

When I lived in an apartment in Brooklyn, my first one had a view but
not a good one. The next one, a year later, had 4 windows facing
east, 2 facing north, and one facing west. I had to have roommates to
afford it, but we each had our own room.

I will definitely investigate window film kits.

The two windows are 6 feet high and 4 feet across.

There also appears to be some sort of underfloor leak as we had to replace the floorboards last summer when they rose and broke apart even though the landlord insisted that it was incidental and from a kitchen leak.

If he speaks good English, he might have said or meant "incidental to
the kitchen leak". Doesn't a kitchen leak meat your standards? I'm
sure he's fixed it by now, because you live on the 5th floor and the
people downstairs don't have dripping ceilings, do they?

Being that the windows are single paned, I don't know what I can do to better insulate. Upon looking into the air conditioning unit housings, I don't see any daylight or sense any direct temperature input from outside, but is there perhaps a way for me to better insulate that?

Well, I think you could light a cigarette and see if the smoke moves
in or out, or maybe a candle's flame. Other people know more about
this. Of course sometimes the air is calm, even when there is an
opening. Even if you can't see daylight, there might be an S curved
path.

They sell semi-hard clear plastic windows that might be able to be
attached and removed without damaging anything. I just found some of
that at the building we've been stripping, prior to its demolition.
Of course the plastic was never installed. But others know more
about wther it can be attached and removed without damage.

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:47:43 -0800 (PST), G Francis
wrote:

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Do you have exterior walls that do not have windows, or is the wall
with the windows the only exterior wall in the place? In some places,
code requires all exterior walls to have at least one window,

His building is from 1908. It's been grandfathered in. Government
doesn't make owners put new windows in 5th floor apartments, let alone
12th floor apartments.

I know a lot of cities where there is no such rule to begin with, and
his building sounds like a city building to me.

so I
would call whatever housing authority there is and see if anything can
be done.

The chances are minuscule that someone with a 12 story building
doesn't have the proper number of windows. If the OP really is
concerned, he should talk to the people in his line, the ones above
and below him. Older tenants will know if the building ever looked
different.

In almost all cases, all the apartments in a line are the same size.

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:41:40 -0500, mm
wrote:



When I lived in an apartment in Brooklyn, my first one had a view but
not a good one. The next one, a year later, had 4 windows facing
east, 2 facing north, and one facing west. I had to have roommates to
afford it, but we each had our own room.

I forgot to include the bathroom windows, one facing each of the 3
directions above.

I will definitely investigate window film kits.

The two windows are 6 feet high and 4 feet across.

There also appears to be some sort of underfloor leak as we had to replace the floorboards last summer when they rose and broke apart even though the landlord insisted that it was incidental and from a kitchen leak.

If he speaks good English, he might have said or meant "incidental to
the kitchen leak". Doesn't a kitchen leak meat your standards? I'm

Oops. "meet".

sure he's fixed it by now, because you live on the 5th floor and the
people downstairs don't have dripping ceilings, do they?

Being that the windows are single paned, I don't know what I can do to better insulate. Upon looking into the air conditioning unit housings, I don't see any daylight or sense any direct temperature input from outside, but is there perhaps a way for me to better insulate that?

Well, I think you could light a cigarette and see if the smoke moves
in or out, or maybe a candle's flame. Other people know more about
this. Of course sometimes the air is calm, even when there is an
opening. Even if you can't see daylight, there might be an S curved
path.

They sell semi-hard clear plastic windows that might be able to be

I mean plastic sheets. They aren't windows until one puts them in
place.

attached and removed without damaging anything. I just found some of
that at the building we've been stripping, prior to its demolition.
Of course the plastic was never installed. But others know more
about wther it can be attached and removed without damage.