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cement laundry sink leaks at drain
Hi again,
after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. Good plan? Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. Good plan? Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate The faucet is a common hardware store item: Central Brass # 465 http://www.centralbrass.com/results1...m=0465&pnidx=0 Clean the drain as you plan (use protective gear and eyewear!), but I'm thinking epoxy applied with a small, stiff brush. An alternate might be silicone sealant. Dry the area thoroughly first with a hair dryer or even a (small) propane torch. Jim |
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Speedy Jim wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote: Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. Good plan? Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate The faucet is a common hardware store item: Central Brass # 465 http://www.centralbrass.com/results1...m=0465&pnidx=0 Actually mine looks more like this one: http://www.usahardware.com/inet/shop...s_metal/42.htm but the actual spout comes out the underside of the faucet not the top (no big deal.) Your suggestion would require replumbing (extending the pipes) but would probably provide for a more stable installation... anyway my point was not that I'm having a hard time finding a replacement faucet but that it would be pointless to rebuild or replace my existing faucet (I'm leaning toward "replace" simply because the clamp screws appear to be rusted solid, and drilling/tapping all those holes looks like a PITA) if I'm going to end up replacing the deep sink shortly anyways. Clean the drain as you plan (use protective gear and eyewear!), but I'm thinking epoxy applied with a small, stiff brush. Hmm, maybe POR-15? An alternate might be silicone sealant. That was my original thought, but then I thought Permatex No. 2 would probably work better, which eventually led me to the roofing tar idea. Dry the area thoroughly first with a hair dryer or even a (small) propane torch. Check. Propane torch at the ready, I'd already thought of that. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On Jan 21, 6:55�pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Speedy Jim wrote: Nate Nagel wrote: Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. �As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. �Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. �Good plan? �Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate The faucet is a common hardware store item: Central Brass # 465 http://www.centralbrass.com/results1...m=0465&pnidx=0 Actually mine looks more like this one: http://www.usahardware.com/inet/shop...354977/union_b... but the actual spout comes out the underside of the faucet not the top (no big deal.) �Your suggestion would require replumbing (extending the pipes) but would probably provide for a more stable installation... anyway my point was not that I'm having a hard time finding a replacement faucet but that it would be pointless to rebuild or replace my existing faucet (I'm leaning toward "replace" simply because the clamp screws appear to be rusted solid, and drilling/tapping all those holes looks like a PITA) if I'm going to end up replacing the deep sink shortly anyways. Clean the drain as you plan (use protective gear and eyewear!), but I'm thinking epoxy applied with a small, stiff brush. Hmm, maybe POR-15? An alternate might be silicone sealant. That was my original thought, but then I thought Permatex No. 2 would probably work better, which eventually led me to the roofing tar idea. Dry the area thoroughly first with a hair dryer or even a (small) propane torch. Check. �Propane torch at the ready, I'd already thought of that. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - a new fiberglass tub is low cost, and nice. break up the old tub in location, i buried the remants in my yard. I found the drain pipe rusted thru, withn no easy fix. it broke off in my hand |
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On Jan 21, 6:14*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. * As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. *Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. *Good plan? *Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel You can probably run new fittings through the concrete and use hydraulic cement to imbed them in the original concrete. A bit of a chore to do but worth the effort. Around here "Rockite" was a brand that worked for such tasks. |
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beecrofter wrote:
On Jan 21, 6:14 pm, Nate Nagel wrote: Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. Good plan? Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel You can probably run new fittings through the concrete and use hydraulic cement to imbed them in the original concrete. A bit of a chore to do but worth the effort. Around here "Rockite" was a brand that worked for such tasks. forgot to mention, it's a double sink but the drains are connected within the concrete to a single tailpiece. I'd have to core drill both sides to do as you suggest, and I'm not sure that I have enough room to bring two p-traps together and hook up to the exiting drain stack (tees out of the stack above the slab) but thanks for the idea, it is something to think about if all else fails. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
beecrofter wrote: On Jan 21, 6:14 pm, Nate Nagel wrote: Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. Good plan? Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel You can probably run new fittings through the concrete and use hydraulic cement to imbed them in the original concrete. A bit of a chore to do but worth the effort. Around here "Rockite" was a brand that worked for such tasks. forgot to mention, it's a double sink but the drains are connected within the concrete to a single tailpiece. I'd have to core drill both sides to do as you suggest, and I'm not sure that I have enough room to bring two p-traps together and hook up to the exiting drain stack (tees out of the stack above the slab) but thanks for the idea, it is something to think about if all else fails. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel I hate to say it, but it sounds like you're going to end up putting a lot of effort into what will still be a patched together antique. If that drain section has failed, there are probably other parts about to fail. Installing a new fiberglass laundry tub, or even a pair of them epoxied together would probably be a lot faster and easier. Or go all out and go to a restaurant supply house that deals in used equipment and get a beautiful triple basin stainless sink |
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Pete C. wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote: beecrofter wrote: On Jan 21, 6:14 pm, Nate Nagel wrote: Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. Good plan? Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel You can probably run new fittings through the concrete and use hydraulic cement to imbed them in the original concrete. A bit of a chore to do but worth the effort. Around here "Rockite" was a brand that worked for such tasks. forgot to mention, it's a double sink but the drains are connected within the concrete to a single tailpiece. I'd have to core drill both sides to do as you suggest, and I'm not sure that I have enough room to bring two p-traps together and hook up to the exiting drain stack (tees out of the stack above the slab) but thanks for the idea, it is something to think about if all else fails. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel I hate to say it, but it sounds like you're going to end up putting a lot of effort into what will still be a patched together antique. If that drain section has failed, there are probably other parts about to fail. Installing a new fiberglass laundry tub, or even a pair of them epoxied together would probably be a lot faster and easier. Or go all out and go to a restaurant supply house that deals in used equipment and get a beautiful triple basin stainless sink oh, let's not go there. Last time I went to one of those places I ended up spending lots of money on some stainless Metro-style freezer shelving for the garage... chrome is nice but stainless is forever SWMBO still refers to that place as "that scary place you dragged me to" but even she has to admit that those shelves are the right tool for the job. nate (if they can hold up tons of lard, butter, cheese, etc. they can hold up tons of transmissions, cylinder heads, etc...) -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
Pete C. wrote: Nate Nagel wrote: beecrofter wrote: On Jan 21, 6:14 pm, Nate Nagel wrote: Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. Good plan? Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel You can probably run new fittings through the concrete and use hydraulic cement to imbed them in the original concrete. A bit of a chore to do but worth the effort. Around here "Rockite" was a brand that worked for such tasks. forgot to mention, it's a double sink but the drains are connected within the concrete to a single tailpiece. I'd have to core drill both sides to do as you suggest, and I'm not sure that I have enough room to bring two p-traps together and hook up to the exiting drain stack (tees out of the stack above the slab) but thanks for the idea, it is something to think about if all else fails. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel I hate to say it, but it sounds like you're going to end up putting a lot of effort into what will still be a patched together antique. If that drain section has failed, there are probably other parts about to fail. Installing a new fiberglass laundry tub, or even a pair of them epoxied together would probably be a lot faster and easier. Or go all out and go to a restaurant supply house that deals in used equipment and get a beautiful triple basin stainless sink oh, let's not go there. Last time I went to one of those places I ended up spending lots of money on some stainless Metro-style freezer shelving for the garage... chrome is nice but stainless is forever SWMBO still refers to that place as "that scary place you dragged me to" but even she has to admit that those shelves are the right tool for the job. nate (if they can hold up tons of lard, butter, cheese, etc. they can hold up tons of transmissions, cylinder heads, etc...) Metro is wonderful stuff. I have a 24x60 Metro setup in my living room as a TV stand (and DVD, cable box, etc.). In my office I have a 18x36 Metro clone that holds a FAX, a laser printer, an inkjet printer, paper for the printers, a UPS and some boxes of envelopes. In my shop I have the Metro clone 18x36 rolling bin rack that Sam's carries, and I'm teetering on buying a second since it really helps organize nuts, bolts, rolls of tape, plumbing and electrical bits, etc. Just think how nice that gleaming stainless triple basin mega deep sink would look in place of the concrete monstrosity, and how well the hanging commercial spray head would work cleaning tools and parts |
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On Jan 21, 5:14*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi again, after this weekend's floor stripping extravaganza, I have an ugly but eat-off-it clean cement floor in my laundry room, which makes me happy. * As a result of this, I think I've determined where the musty smell was coming from - it's not the washing machine as SWMBO suspected (I think she just wants an excuse to buy a new one, not that I'd need one if she really wanted it) but from the drain of the deep sink. *Due to the slope of the slab, it was all running under the tiles to the corner under the washing machine, thus incriminating the innocent appliance. Upon investigation it appears that this cement deep sink, which is absolutely huge, heavy, and otherwise in good condition, has a leak around the drain assembly, which appears to be a piece of steel cast into the sink, and the water is apparently running down the outside of the drain assembly and dripping off the P-trap. My plan, which is the best I could improvise on short notice, is to chuck up a knotted wire wheel in my 4" grinder, knock off most of the rust, prep with phosphoric acid, and smear some roofing tar around the offending area, possibly including some scraps of screen for reinforcement. *Good plan? *Bad plan? I really don't want to replace this sink as it's enormous and quite handy, and like most other ancient, huge, useful things probably impossible to find a direct replacement. I'd appreciate opinions and any experience as the faucet is leaking as well, and rather than buy a new faucet for this sink (it clamps on the edge of the sink and attaches to the water lines with unions from above, quite unlike the faucets you'd use with a new sink) if the sink is hopeless I may as well bite it and buy a new, modern sink and faucet to match all at once. thanks, nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel Get it clean, dry and warm and patch it with Bondo. Remember to work fast. And the stuff really is waterproof, ya know. Joe |
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