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On Dec 7, 6:44 pm, Sir Frederick wrote:
How to deal with illegal alien invaders : --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5359290.html Dec. 7, 2007, 7:00PM Police say Horn shot 2 men in the back 1 man had been deported in '99; officials looking at possible ties to a burglary ring By CINDY HORSWELL Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Two men suspected of burglarizing a neighbor's home were shot in the back by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn after the suspects ventured into his front yard, Pasadena police disclosed Friday. Also, for the first time, investigators revealed the Nov. 14 shooting was witnessed by a plainclothes Pasadena detective, who had pulled up in an unmarked car seconds before Horn fired three shots from his 12-guage shotgun. The detective's name was not released as the new details emerged about the controversial shootings that have outraged minority activists but also brought an outpouring of support from others. "We have now documented a summary of what we think happened. We will turn it over to the district attorney in a couple of weeks after we finish our extensive quality control review," said Pasadena Police Department Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett. The Harris County district attorney will then present the case to a grand jury to determine if any charges should be filed against Horn. The suspects were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said. Authorities have said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents. The two -- killed by Horn after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property -- were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun. Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said. Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases. Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases. State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said. Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them. Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it. "I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said. Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago. "I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night. A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants. "They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims." Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames. Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision. Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway. Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors. Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision. Chronicle reporters Robert Crowe and Susan Carroll contributed to this report. -- Frederick Martin McNeill Poway, California, United States of America /fmmcneill ************************************** "A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it." -- Einstein ************************************** Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." ted http://www.newnation.org/ New Nation News http://www.amren.com/ American Renaisssance |
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There's two less anyway!!
On Dec 8, 7:17 am, Ted wrote: On Dec 7, 6:44 pm, Sir Frederick wrote: How to deal with illegal alien invaders : --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5359290.html Dec. 7, 2007, 7:00PM Police say Horn shot 2 men in the back 1 man had been deported in '99; officials looking at possible ties to a burglary ring By CINDY HORSWELL Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Two men suspected of burglarizing a neighbor's home were shot in the back by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn after the suspects ventured into his front yard, Pasadena police disclosed Friday. Also, for the first time, investigators revealed the Nov. 14 shooting was witnessed by a plainclothes Pasadena detective, who had pulled up in an unmarked car seconds before Horn fired three shots from his 12-guage shotgun. The detective's name was not released as the new details emerged about the controversial shootings that have outraged minority activists but also brought an outpouring of support from others. "We have now documented a summary of what we think happened. We will turn it over to the district attorney in a couple of weeks after we finish our extensive quality control review," said Pasadena Police Department Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett. The Harris County district attorney will then present the case to a grand jury to determine if any charges should be filed against Horn. The suspects were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said. Authorities have said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents. The two -- killed by Horn after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property -- were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun. Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said. Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases. Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases. State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said. Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them. Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it. "I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said. Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago. "I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night. A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants. "They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims." Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames. Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision. Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway. Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors. Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision. Chronicle reporters Robert Crowe and Susan Carroll contributed to this report. -- Frederick Martin McNeill Poway, California, United States of America /fmmcneill ************************************** "A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it." -- Einstein ************************************** Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." ted http://www.newnation.org/ New Nation News http://www.amren.com/ American Renaisssance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Dec 8, 8:58�am, wrote:
There's two less anyway!! On Dec 8, 7:17 am, Ted wrote: On Dec 7, 6:44 pm, Sir Frederick wrote: How to deal with illegal alien invaders : --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5359290.html Dec. 7, 2007, 7:00PM Police say Horn shot 2 men in the back 1 man had been deported in '99; officials looking at possible ties to a burglary ring By CINDY HORSWELL Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Two men suspected of burglarizing a neighbor's home were shot in the back by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn after the suspects ventured into his front yard, Pasadena police disclosed Friday. Also, for the first time, investigators revealed the Nov. 14 shooting was witnessed by a plainclothes Pasadena detective, who had pulled up in an unmarked car seconds before Horn fired three shots from his 12-guage shotgun. The detective's name was not released as the new details emerged about the controversial shootings that have outraged minority activists but also brought an outpouring of support from others. "We have now documented a summary of what we think happened. We will turn it over to the district attorney in a couple of weeks after we finish our extensive quality control review," said Pasadena Police Department Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett. The Harris County district attorney will then present the case to a grand jury to determine if any charges should be filed against Horn. The suspects were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said. Authorities have said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents. The two -- killed by Horn after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property -- were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun. Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said. Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases. Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases. State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said. Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them. Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it. "I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said. Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago. "I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night. A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants. "They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims." Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames. Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision. Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway. Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors. Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision. Chronicle reporters Robert Crowe and Susan Carroll contributed to this report. -- Frederick Martin McNeill Poway, California, United States of America /fmmcneill ************************************** "A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it." -- Einstein ************************************** Let us get back to basics with this premise: �"A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." ted http://www.newnation.org/New Nation News http://www.amren.com/American Renaisssance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning |
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Ted wrote:
Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." A reminder to anyone planning to reply to this thread: It is cross posted to five newsgroups, and is only on-topic in, perhaps, one of them. And since the message it's a reply to wasn't even in that one, then it's a troll set up purely to get people angry, rather than to explore the issues. In my home newsgroup, this story may raise issues worth discussing. But not in this tone. And definitely not in Nascar or College Football. I apologize to those other newsgroups for stomping through their rec.garden, but this reminder of trollness is sometimes appropriate. -- Tomorrow is today already. Greg Goss, 1989-01-27 |
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In article , " wrote:
despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning Oh, bullsh*t. That isn't even remotely close to true. |
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It happens that Greg Goss formulated :
Ted wrote: Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." A reminder to anyone planning to reply to this thread: It is cross posted to five newsgroups, and is only on-topic in, perhaps, one of them. And since the message it's a reply to wasn't even in that one, then it's a troll set up purely to get people angry, rather than to explore the issues. In my home newsgroup, this story may raise issues worth discussing. But not in this tone. And definitely not in Nascar or College Football. I apologize to those other newsgroups for stomping through their rec.garden, but this reminder of trollness is sometimes appropriate. Let me guess: Cecil Adams Fan -- Yours, Dan S. Hire a vet! (or at least pay it lip service) |
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wrote in message
... On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 08:40:04 -0800 (PST), " wrote: despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning I think the reason why there will be an effort to deport a lot of these people is because of the construction slow down. It is like a similar situation in the 30s. Suddenly we don't need all those little brown guys who build most of the houses. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=16981143 |
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Sure they do. Dont forget there are ,illions of spoiled teens who might learn something from hard work!!! On Dec 8, 11:40Â*am, " wrote: On Dec 8, 8:58�am, wrote: There's two less anyway!! On Dec 8, 7:17 am, Ted wrote: On Dec 7, 6:44 pm, Sir Frederick wrote: How to deal with illegal alien invaders : --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5359290.html Dec. 7, 2007, 7:00PM Police say Horn shot 2 men in the back 1 man had been deported in '99; officials looking at possible ties to a burglary ring By CINDY HORSWELL Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Two men suspected of burglarizing a neighbor's home were shot in the back by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn after the suspects ventured into his front yard, Pasadena police disclosed Friday. Also, for the first time, investigators revealed the Nov. 14 shooting was witnessed by a plainclothes Pasadena detective, who had pulled up in an unmarked car seconds before Horn fired three shots from his 12-guage shotgun. The detective's name was not released as the new details emerged about the controversial shootings that have outraged minority activists but also brought an outpouring of support from others. "We have now documented a summary of what we think happened. We will turn it over to the district attorney in a couple of weeks after we finish our extensive quality control review," said Pasadena Police Department Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett. The Harris County district attorney will then present the case to a grand jury to determine if any charges should be filed against Horn. The suspects were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said. Authorities have said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents. The two -- killed by Horn after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property -- were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun. Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said. Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases. Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases. State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said. Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them. Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it. "I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said. Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago. "I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night. A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants. "They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims." Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames. Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision. Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway. Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors. Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision. Chronicle reporters Robert Crowe and Susan Carroll contributed to this report. -- Frederick Martin McNeill Poway, California, United States of America /fmmcneill ************************************** "A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it." -- Einstein ************************************** Let us get back to basics with this premise: �"A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." ted http://www.newnation.org/NewNation News http://www.amren.com/AmericanRenaisssance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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presented the following explanation :
wrote: On Dec 8, 8:58ïÿ½am, wrote: There's two less anyway!! On Dec 8, 7:17 am, Ted wrote: On Dec 7, 6:44 pm, Sir Frederick wrote: How to deal with illegal alien invaders : --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5359290.html Dec. 7, 2007, 7:00PM Police say Horn shot 2 men in the back 1 man had been deported in '99; officials looking at possible ties to a burglary ring By CINDY HORSWELL Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Two men suspected of burglarizing a neighbor's home were shot in the back by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn after the suspects ventured into his front yard, Pasadena police disclosed Friday. Also, for the first time, investigators revealed the Nov. 14 shooting was witnessed by a plainclothes Pasadena detective, who had pulled up in an unmarked car seconds before Horn fired three shots from his 12-guage shotgun. The detective's name was not released as the new details emerged about the controversial shootings that have outraged minority activists but also brought an outpouring of support from others. "We have now documented a summary of what we think happened. We will turn it over to the district attorney in a couple of weeks after we finish our extensive quality control review," said Pasadena Police Department Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett. The Harris County district attorney will then present the case to a grand jury to determine if any charges should be filed against Horn. The suspects were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said. Authorities have said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents. The two -- killed by Horn after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property -- were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun. Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said. Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases. Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases. State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said. Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them. Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it. "I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said. Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago. "I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night. A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants. "They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims." Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames. Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision. Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway. Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors. Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision. Chronicle reporters Robert Crowe and Susan Carroll contributed to this report. -- Frederick Martin McNeill Poway, California, United States of America /fmmcneill ************************************** "A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it." -- Einstein ************************************** Let us get back to basics with this premise: ïÿ½"A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." ted http://www.newnation.org/New Nation News http://www.amren.com/American Renaisssance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning You are full of it. Why don't you cross, illegally, into Mexico and see what happens. Cuando se cruza legalmente a México, son robar si los mozos creen que no sabe cuanto es el peso al dollar cambio. So, what's your point? -- Yours, Dan S. I'm NEVER wrong. Just ask me. |
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already because of the illegal crackdown food has gone
unharvested....... The US now imports much of its food, shall we go 100%? |
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Jim Weeks wrote:
"Greg Goss" wrote in message ... Ted wrote: Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." NOOOO!!!! then I'd have to start cuttin' my own grass again.. jpw I have a lawn company. I'll cut your grass. Oh wait a minute. You are a racist and don't want Americans on your property. :) |
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wrote in message news:O7C6j.240152$Fc.7261@attbi_s21... Jim Weeks wrote: "Greg Goss" wrote in message ... Ted wrote: Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." NOOOO!!!! then I'd have to start cuttin' my own grass again.. jpw I have a lawn company. I'll cut your grass. Oh wait a minute. You are a racist and don't want Americans on your property. :) I know him, he's not a racist, but I on the other hand have been known to speak my mind against spicks, jews, africans, mexican wet backs, gooks from all countires, wops, japs, krauts, the ****ing pico commi *******s from russier, and friggin carpet bagger yanquis. Which one of these **** heads are you? -- ------MoParMaN------ ---Scud Coordinates 32.61204 North 96.92989 West--- --Remove Clothes to Reply!-- TEDWARD Said: Eggs are really good for you. They have all the nutrition needed to make a chicken. |
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The "we need the illegals to do jobs Americans won't do " is a myth.
Instead, they drive down wages, making many jobs unattractive to Americans. Employers who hire them should be given the means to identify illegals, then prosecuted, fined, and ultimately jailed and shut down. Spineless politicians and unprincipled employers are the culprits. wrote: On Dec 8, 8:58?am, wrote: There's two less anyway!! On Dec 8, 7:17 am, Ted wrote: On Dec 7, 6:44 pm, Sir Frederick wrote: How to deal with illegal alien invaders : --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/5359290.html Dec. 7, 2007, 7:00PM Police say Horn shot 2 men in the back 1 man had been deported in '99; officials looking at possible ties to a burglary ring By CINDY HORSWELL Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Two men suspected of burglarizing a neighbor's home were shot in the back by Pasadena homeowner Joe Horn after the suspects ventured into his front yard, Pasadena police disclosed Friday. Also, for the first time, investigators revealed the Nov. 14 shooting was witnessed by a plainclothes Pasadena detective, who had pulled up in an unmarked car seconds before Horn fired three shots from his 12-guage shotgun. The detective's name was not released as the new details emerged about the controversial shootings that have outraged minority activists but also brought an outpouring of support from others. "We have now documented a summary of what we think happened. We will turn it over to the district attorney in a couple of weeks after we finish our extensive quality control review," said Pasadena Police Department Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett. The Harris County district attorney will then present the case to a grand jury to determine if any charges should be filed against Horn. The suspects were illegal immigrants from Colombia, and one man had been deported nearly 10 years ago, authorities said. Authorities have said they are investigating whether Diego Ortiz, 30, and Hernando Riascos Torres, 48, were part of a crime ring linked to burglaries and the use of fake immigration documents. The two -- killed by Horn after he said they were trying to steal his neighbor's property -- were in the country illegally, according to Leticia Zamarripa, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Horn, 61, shot Ortiz and Torres, who went by the alias Miguel Antonio DeJesus. Horn called police after hearing breaking glass. He ignored an operator's warning to not go outside with his gun. Corbett said Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction. He was on parole until 2017, Corbett said. Police found a Puerto Rican identification card on Ortiz. He had two aliases. Torres had identification cards from Colombia, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. He had three aliases. State and federal authorities are investigating whether the two men, who lived in southwest Houston, were involved in the crime ring, Corbett said. Police found almost $2,000 in cash in a white bag the men allegedly took from the home in the 7400 block of Timberline before Horn shot them. Investigators also are trying to determine whether the men knew about the home or family before burglarizing it. "I don't believe the victim was a random choice ... but there's no evidence of a relationship either," between the homeowners and suspects, Corbett said. Horn told the operator that he did not know his neighbors well. Neighbors said the family moved into the home next to Horn's house about four months ago. "I can't comment," a woman at the home said over the phone Thursday night. A source told police that Ortiz and Torres burglarized the home, in part, because the homeowners were immigrants. "They targeted foreign-born people," Corbett said. "They felt they were easier victims." Little is known about the homeowners, who have Vietnamese surnames. Neighbors said they own a small business near their Village Grove East subdivision. Records filed with the Office of the Secretary of State of Texas show that the family owns a dry cleaning business on Fairmont Parkway. Horn has received an outpouring of support from some neighbors, friends and strangers, but the incident also has outraged activists and other neighbors. Activists and Horn supporters clashed Sunday when they staged dueling protests outside his home. The homeowners association is trying to prevent more protests from being held in the subdivision. Chronicle reporters Robert Crowe and Susan Carroll contributed to this report. -- Frederick Martin McNeill Poway, California, United States of America /fmmcneill ************************************** "A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it." -- Einstein ************************************** Let us get back to basics with this premise: ?"A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." ted http://www.newnation.org/New Nation News http://www.amren.com/American Renaisssance- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning |
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"shiite" wrote in message ... The "we need the illegals to do jobs Americans won't do " is a myth. Instead, they drive down wages, making many jobs unattractive to Americans. Employers who hire them should be given the means to identify illegals, then prosecuted, fined, and ultimately jailed and shut down. Spineless politicians and unprincipled employers are the culprits. Correct. If illegal workers werent so eager to do the crap jobs for almost no pay, REAL workers might actually get a fair wage for these jobs. |
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wrote despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning |
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wrote despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning Can we compromise then? And just deport the criminal half? There are a lot of good illegals here, albeit they are here illegally. A lot would rather go hungry than steal. The other side of the coin are those who would rather steal than work. The hardworking moral half resemble my immigrant grandparents. There's something very wrong when many of these illegals have long police records, and are back out on the streets. Let's fly them back to Mexico and drop them off from 5,000 feet. Steve |
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Cross posting to other groups snipped.
So, you just crossposted it to about eight groups, right? Duh. "Greg Goss" wrote in message ... Ted wrote: Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." A reminder to anyone planning to reply to this thread: It is cross posted to five newsgroups, and is only on-topic in, perhaps, one of them. And since the message it's a reply to wasn't even in that one, then it's a troll set up purely to get people angry, rather than to explore the issues. In my home newsgroup, this story may raise issues worth discussing. But not in this tone. And definitely not in Nascar or College Football. I apologize to those other newsgroups for stomping through their rec.garden, but this reminder of trollness is sometimes appropriate. -- Tomorrow is today already. Greg Goss, 1989-01-27 |
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SteveB wrote:
wrote despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning Sorry, but that's the line of the Chamber of Commerce and other big business interest groups. They want to keep wages as low as possible. Pay a proper wage and there won't be a lack of workers, period. Can we compromise then? Sure. All illegals can voluntarily leave America. They can line up, in their own country, to obtain the needed documentation to temporarily come into America to work. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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MoParMaN wrote:
wrote in message news:O7C6j.240152$Fc.7261@attbi_s21... Jim Weeks wrote: "Greg Goss" wrote in message ... Ted wrote: Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." NOOOO!!!! then I'd have to start cuttin' my own grass again.. jpw I have a lawn company. I'll cut your grass. Oh wait a minute. You are a racist and don't want Americans on your property. :) I know him, he's not a racist, but I on the other hand have been known to speak my mind against spicks, jews, africans, mexican wet backs, gooks from all countires, wops, japs, krauts, the ****ing pico commi *******s from russier, and friggin carpet bagger yanquis. Which one of these **** heads are you? Damn. It sounds like you and I are in the same race. |
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Jim Weeks wrote:
wrote in message news:O7C6j.240152$Fc.7261@attbi_s21... Jim Weeks wrote: "Greg Goss" wrote in message ... Ted wrote: Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." NOOOO!!!! then I'd have to start cuttin' my own grass again.. jpw I have a lawn company. I'll cut your grass. Oh wait a minute. You are a racist and don't want Americans on your property. :) not so.. you can clean the pool.. dang mexicans just keep swimming across it. jpw Do they leave an oil or bacon grease slick? Cause that costs extra to clean. |
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Jim Weeks wrote:
wrote in message news:O7C6j.240152$Fc.7261@attbi_s21... Jim Weeks wrote: "Greg Goss" wrote in message ... Ted wrote: Let us get back to basics with this premise: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien." NOOOO!!!! then I'd have to start cuttin' my own grass again.. jpw I have a lawn company. I'll cut your grass. Oh wait a minute. You are a racist and don't want Americans on your property. :) not so.. you can clean the pool.. dang mexicans just keep swimming across it. jpw Do they leave an oil or bacon grease slick? Cause that costs extra to clean. |
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Ariz. Immigration Law Challenge Tossed Dec 8, 12:41 PM (ET) By JACQUES BILLEAUD PHOENIX (AP) - A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit seeking to block a new Arizona law that prohibits people from hiring illegal immigrants and requires businesses to verify whether applicants are eligible for employment. The law takes effect Jan. 1. In his ruling on Friday, U.S. District Judge Neil V. Wake wrote that the lawsuit was premature because there was no evidence that anybody had been harmed, and that the plaintiffs - a coalition of business and immigrant rights groups - were suing the wrong people. The ruling said the law gives only investigatory authority to the governor and state attorney general, who were named as defendants. Wake said county prosecutors, who weren't defendants, actually have the power to enforce the law. The plaintiffs had asked for a preliminary injunction blocking the law from taking effect. Julie Pace, an attorney for the business groups, said her clients were meeting Saturday to determine whether to appeal the ruling or file a separate lawsuit against the county prosecutors. She said the business groups could pursue both avenues. Alfredo Gutierrez, a spokesman for immigrant rights groups, said they plan to refile the lawsuit after Jan. 1, when they might be able to show damages caused by the law. A spokesman for Gov. Janet Napolitano said the governor's office had not yet read the ruling and had no immediate comment. Napolitano signed the bill in July, saying that while immigration is a federal responsibility, Congress was apparently "incapable of coping with the comprehensive immigration reforms our country needs." The law is intended to curb Arizona's role as the busiest illegal gateway into the country. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that illegal immigrants account for one in 10 workers in the Arizona economy. Under the law, any business that is found to have knowingly hired an illegal worker is subject to sanctions ranging from probation to a 10- day suspension of its business licenses. A second violation would bring permanent revocation of the license. The plaintiffs in the lawsuit had argued the law was an unconstitutional attempt by the state to regulate immigration, which is the responsibility of the federal government. The judge's ruling did not address that argument. "He didn't uphold the law," Pace said. "He didn't decide if it was constitutional. We can have that argument another day." Attorneys for the state say the groups weren't reading the law correctly and that it does not conflict with federal law. |
Dealing with Illegals
In article VpE6j.5689$jq2.5092@pd7urf1no,
"Noozer" wrote: "shiite" wrote in message ... The "we need the illegals to do jobs Americans won't do " is a myth. Instead, they drive down wages, making many jobs unattractive to Americans. Employers who hire them should be given the means to identify illegals, then prosecuted, fined, and ultimately jailed and shut down. Spineless politicians and unprincipled employers are the culprits. Correct. If illegal workers werent so eager to do the crap jobs for almost no pay, REAL workers might actually get a fair wage for these jobs. God, you are stupid. If AMERICAN "subsidized" corn wasn't flooding Mexico, more of these immigrants would have jobs in their own country. Feel free to criticize those who subsidize the low cost of produce in your markets. You, no doubt, worry about the smart Mexicans who can do more than manual labor. They know modern measurements, the metric system, grams, meters, liters. Personally, I like the Mexicans that I have met and would like them for neighbors. Your bitch isn't with those who do what they have to do to support their families, it is with those who won't pay a decent living wage to REAL workers, what ever that is supposed to mean. Mexicans, like the rest of us, take what they can get. God, you're stupid. -- Billy Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars |
Dealing with Illegals
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, Billy wrote: In God, you are stupid. If AMERICAN "subsidized" corn wasn't flooding Mexico, more of these immigrants would have jobs in their own country. Gee you mean the poverty is entirely resting on subsidized corn. Who knew that corn was so vastly employee intensive and so unviersally lucrative. Immigrants wouldn't be flooding America if Mexico wasn't corrupt, either. Why you think the Mexican government is in such a frenzy every time we pretend we are going to do something about illegal immigration? Much more multifactoral. |
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Dear Captain Billy Non Sequitor,
1. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegals, Mexican or otherwise, are dead wrong. I have compassion for anyone from anywhere doing what he can to survive. My contempt is reserved for the politicians and employers who enable. 2. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegal-labor-subsidized produce is also dead wrong. I will GLADLY pay more for produce in order to return jobs to Americans. 3. That I worry about smart Mexicans is (guess what?) dead wrong. Three dead-wrong assumptions out of three. I hope that your wish for smart Mexican neighbors comes true. They'll have a stupid neighbor to contend with. Billy wrote: In article VpE6j.5689$jq2.5092@pd7urf1no, "Noozer" wrote: "shiite" wrote in message ... The "we need the illegals to do jobs Americans won't do " is a myth. Instead, they drive down wages, making many jobs unattractive to Americans. Employers who hire them should be given the means to identify illegals, then prosecuted, fined, and ultimately jailed and shut down. Spineless politicians and unprincipled employers are the culprits. Correct. If illegal workers werent so eager to do the crap jobs for almost no pay, REAL workers might actually get a fair wage for these jobs. God, you are stupid. If AMERICAN "subsidized" corn wasn't flooding Mexico, more of these immigrants would have jobs in their own country. Feel free to criticize those who subsidize the low cost of produce in your markets. You, no doubt, worry about the smart Mexicans who can do more than manual labor. They know modern measurements, the metric system, grams, meters, liters. Personally, I like the Mexicans that I have met and would like them for neighbors. Your bitch isn't with those who do what they have to do to support their families, it is with those who won't pay a decent living wage to REAL workers, what ever that is supposed to mean. Mexicans, like the rest of us, take what they can get. God, you're stupid. -- Billy Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars |
Dealing with Illegals
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"SteveB" wrote: wrote despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning Can we compromise then? And just deport the criminal half? There are a lot of good illegals here, albeit they are here illegally. A lot would rather go hungry than steal. The other side of the coin are those who would rather steal than work. The hardworking moral half resemble my immigrant grandparents. There's something very wrong when many of these illegals have long police records, and are back out on the streets. Let's fly them back to Mexico and drop them off from 5,000 feet. Steve That would be cruel & unusual. Just put them on a boat and send them to the southern tip of Mexico. If the Mexicans don't like that, just drop them off & let them swim the last 3 miles ;) Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
Dealing with Illegals
"nick hull" wrote in message .. . In article , "SteveB" wrote: wrote despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning Can we compromise then? And just deport the criminal half? There are a lot of good illegals here, albeit they are here illegally. A lot would rather go hungry than steal. The other side of the coin are those who would rather steal than work. The hardworking moral half resemble my immigrant grandparents. There's something very wrong when many of these illegals have long police records, and are back out on the streets. Let's fly them back to Mexico and drop them off from 5,000 feet. Steve That would be cruel & unusual. Just put them on a boat and send them to the southern tip of Mexico. If the Mexicans don't like that, just drop them off & let them swim the last 3 miles ;) The only problem with that would be the recidivism rate in your group. :-) Steve |
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In article , " wrote:
already because of the illegal crackdown food has gone unharvested....... Cite, please? The US now imports much of its food, shall we go 100%? You're sadly misinformed. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
Dealing with Illegals
In article , "SteveB" wrote:
wrote despite what many think if they were ALL suddendly removed from our country, our economy would colapse. food unharvested, lots of menial jobs undone. ikllegals help keep the wheels turning Not even remotely close to the truth. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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shiite explained on 12/9/2007 :
Dear Captain Billy Non Sequitor, 1. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegals, Mexican or otherwise, are dead wrong. I have compassion for anyone from anywhere doing what he can to survive. My contempt is reserved for the politicians and employers who enable. Not to dumb down the argument too much, but aren't employers doing what they can to survive and don't you believe a number of them would fold without their immigrant help? Why don't they deserve compassion rather than contempt? 2. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegal-labor-subsidized produce is also dead wrong. I will GLADLY pay more for produce in order to return jobs to Americans. Top Raman is not produce. That, and what will be the effects on the economy? When we pay more for produce, Starbucks everywhere will close and those lucrative jobs are then lost, causing irreprable harm to Strip Malls everywhere. 3. That I worry about smart Mexicans is (guess what?) dead wrong. Three dead-wrong assumptions out of three. I hope that your wish for smart Mexican neighbors comes true. They'll have a stupid neighbor to contend with. Billy wrote: In article VpE6j.5689$jq2.5092@pd7urf1no, "Noozer" wrote: "shiite" wrote in message ... The "we need the illegals to do jobs Americans won't do " is a myth. Instead, they drive down wages, making many jobs unattractive to Americans. Employers who hire them should be given the means to identify illegals, then prosecuted, fined, and ultimately jailed and shut down. Spineless politicians and unprincipled employers are the culprits. Correct. If illegal workers werent so eager to do the crap jobs for almost no pay, REAL workers might actually get a fair wage for these jobs. God, you are stupid. If AMERICAN "subsidized" corn wasn't flooding Mexico, more of these immigrants would have jobs in their own country. Feel free to criticize those who subsidize the low cost of produce in your markets. You, no doubt, worry about the smart Mexicans who can do more than manual labor. They know modern measurements, the metric system, grams, meters, liters. Personally, I like the Mexicans that I have met and would like them for neighbors. Your bitch isn't with those who do what they have to do to support their families, it is with those who won't pay a decent living wage to REAL workers, what ever that is supposed to mean. Mexicans, like the rest of us, take what they can get. God, you're stupid. -- Billy Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars -- Yours, Dan S. Campaigning for Google rating stars, one smackdown at a time ... er, uh, friendly encounter, rather. |
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Dan S. wrote:
shiite explained on 12/9/2007 : Dear Captain Billy Non Sequitor, 1. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegals, Mexican or otherwise, are dead wrong. I have compassion for anyone from anywhere doing what he can to survive. My contempt is reserved for the politicians and employers who enable. Not to dumb down the argument too much, but aren't employers doing what they can to survive and don't you believe a number of them would fold without their immigrant help? Why don't they deserve compassion rather than contempt? That argument might apply to anything that a business chooses to do illegally. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
Dealing with Illegals
In article ,
Dan S. wrote: shiite explained on 12/9/2007 : Dear Captain Billy Non Sequitor, 1. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegals, Mexican or otherwise, are dead wrong. I have compassion for anyone from anywhere doing what he can to survive. My contempt is reserved for the politicians and employers who enable. Not to dumb down the argument too much, but aren't employers doing what they can to survive and don't you believe a number of them would fold without their immigrant help? Why don't they deserve compassion rather than contempt? Nope. This is illegal. If they can't survive without breaking the law, they should go under. They could probably save a lot more money by not paying their share of the property tax, which would then hurt schools and local governments. Is that acceptable? |
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"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
... Dan S. wrote: shiite explained on 12/9/2007 : Dear Captain Billy Non Sequitor, 1. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegals, Mexican or otherwise, are dead wrong. I have compassion for anyone from anywhere doing what he can to survive. My contempt is reserved for the politicians and employers who enable. Not to dumb down the argument too much, but aren't employers doing what they can to survive and don't you believe a number of them would fold without their immigrant help? Why don't they deserve compassion rather than contempt? That argument might apply to anything that a business chooses to do illegally. Is there any way you can find yourself among a small group of 16-18 year old kids, and ask them if they'd be interested in working in 90 degree heat, harvesting broccoli, swinging a sharp knife around near their ankles? Try it. I did. It was enlightening. If you're going to respond with something about how machines could do the work, please don't. Machines can't harvest all types of crops (yet). If a machine exists for a certain crop, most farmers will already own it if it works well. Much less trouble than human beings. |
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Billy wrote: In God, you are stupid. If AMERICAN "subsidized" corn wasn't flooding Mexico, more of these immigrants would have jobs in their own country. Gee you mean the poverty is entirely resting on subsidized corn. Who knew that corn was so vastly employee intensive and so unviersally lucrative. Immigrants wouldn't be flooding America if Mexico wasn't corrupt, either. Why you think the Mexican government is in such a frenzy every time we pretend we are going to do something about illegal immigration? Much more multifactoral. I heard a speech by Ronald Reagan, or was it a supporter since I can't seem to find the text anywhere, in the early 80's where he or they commented that if the Mexican border were to be shut tight, that there would be a revolution there in a matter of months. The border was left porous as a safety valve to keep the corrupt Mexican government viable. I simply wish I could find that text somewhere. |
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Dan S. wrote:
shiite explained on 12/9/2007 : Dear Captain Billy Non Sequitor, 1. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegals, Mexican or otherwise, are dead wrong. I have compassion for anyone from anywhere doing what he can to survive. My contempt is reserved for the politicians and employers who enable. Not to dumb down the argument too much, but aren't employers doing what they can to survive and don't you believe a number of them would fold without their immigrant help? Why don't they deserve compassion rather than contempt? I get along just fine with legal labor. I also pay my taxes and for the fuel I use. I'd love to see some of these companies who deliberately hire illegals, go under. Most of them don't hire illegals to stay afloat. They hire them so they can live higher on the hog than they deserve. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message ... Dan S. wrote: shiite explained on 12/9/2007 : Dear Captain Billy Non Sequitor, 1. Your assumptions about my attitude toward illegals, Mexican or otherwise, are dead wrong. I have compassion for anyone from anywhere doing what he can to survive. My contempt is reserved for the politicians and employers who enable. Not to dumb down the argument too much, but aren't employers doing what they can to survive and don't you believe a number of them would fold without their immigrant help? Why don't they deserve compassion rather than contempt? That argument might apply to anything that a business chooses to do illegally. Is there any way you can find yourself among a small group of 16-18 year old kids, and ask them if they'd be interested in working in 90 degree heat, harvesting broccoli, swinging a sharp knife around near their ankles? Try it. I did. It was enlightening. My dad owned an apple and cherry orchard in central washington state. Hot, dry climate. I worked cherry, apricot, pear and apple harvests in junior high and high school, and while attending college. I dare say I'm far more enlightened regarding agricultural labor and business than you are. If you're going to respond with something about how machines could do the work,... Not an issue. The H-2B temporary visa program allows ag employers to bring in as many laborers as are needed. The orchadists and farmers don't like the program because it forces them to comply with the federal Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act (MSPA). It requires proper paperwork, bookeeping and recordkeeping, and costs much more money than illegally hiring non-resident workers. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:45:44 -0800, Billy
wrote: In article VpE6j.5689$jq2.5092@pd7urf1no, "Noozer" wrote: God, you are stupid. If AMERICAN "subsidized" corn wasn't flooding Mexico, more of these immigrants would have jobs in their own country. Feel free to criticize those who subsidize the low cost of produce in your markets. You, no doubt, worry about the smart Mexicans who can do more than manual labor. They know modern measurements, the metric system, grams, meters, liters. Personally, I like the Mexicans that I have met and would like them for neighbors. Your bitch isn't with those who do what they have to do to support their families, it is with those who won't pay a decent living wage to REAL workers, what ever that is supposed to mean. Mexicans, like the rest of us, take what they can get. God, you're stupid. You think Mexican corn producers are not subsidized? How about $85 to $102 per hectare? A quick Look at U.S. and Mexican Corn Production U.S. corn producer Acerage of 270 hectares of land with one-third in corn. Corn yield is approximately 8.5 metric tons per ha. Mexican corn producer Acerage of 10 hectares of land and 5 hectares for the small producers. Corn yield is approximately 5.8 metric tons per ha if irrigated and 2.0 or less metric tons per ha if not irrigated. Among the producers, 31% used improved seeds, 35% used a tractor and 9% have access to irrigation. --Andy Asberry-- ------Texas----- |
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