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Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen Really don't need a lot of
bells etc. But would like a digital tuner . I see many crt sets for under $200 and I now see Sylvania has a LCD set with rectangular screen for about $240. I don't feel wide screen is that big a deal ,but taking the weight and location of the set(up on a wall mount) I am considering the Sylvania. Any advice? Frank |
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"Frank" wrote in message ... Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen Really don't need a lot of bells etc. But would like a digital tuner . I see many crt sets for under $200 and I now see Sylvania has a LCD set with rectangular screen for about $240. I don't feel wide screen is that big a deal ,but taking the weight and location of the set(up on a wall mount) I am considering the Sylvania. Any advice? LCD TVs are very nice ... but don't know anything about Sylvania. These old brands (like RCA) have little or no connection to the original companies. Check the: 1/ Warranty offered 2/ Repair situation (one cannot get parts for some sets now offered) 3/ Ratings and customer satisfaction (Google might be very helpful here) |
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Frank wrote:
Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen Really don't need a lot of bells etc. But would like a digital tuner . I see many crt sets for under $200 and I now see Sylvania has a LCD set with rectangular screen for about $240. I don't feel wide screen is that big a deal ,but taking the weight and location of the set(up on a wall mount) I am considering the Sylvania. Any advice? Frank Bought a 15 inch Sylvania LCD for the kitchen last year. Cost about $200. We like it. With the HD thing coming on you might also take it into consideration with any new TV. Frank |
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Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Frank wrote: Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen Really don't need a lot of bells etc. But would like a digital tuner . I see many crt sets for under $200 and I now see Sylvania has a LCD set with rectangular screen for about $240. I don't feel wide screen is that big a deal ,but taking the weight and location of the set(up on a wall mount) I am considering the Sylvania. Any advice? Frank Bought a 15 inch Sylvania LCD for the kitchen last year. Cost about $200. We like it. With the HD thing coming on you might also take it into consideration with any new TV. Frank Although if you are on cable that might be less of a problem. Last I heard they were going to have to offer converters. With such a big base, it would seem to be in their best interests. |
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I am considering the Sylvania.
Any advice? Frank I have only bought one Sylvania product in my life and I will NEVER EVER buy another one. It was junk and CS was non existence. Good Luck, |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:14:19 -0500, "Charles"
wrote: "Frank" wrote in message ... Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen Really don't need a lot of bells etc. But would like a digital tuner . I see many crt sets for under $200 and I now see Sylvania has a LCD set with rectangular screen for about $240. I don't feel wide screen is that big a deal ,but taking the weight and location of the set(up on a wall mount) I am considering the Sylvania. Any advice? LCD TVs are very nice ... but don't know anything about Sylvania. These old brands (like RCA) have little or no connection to the original companies. Current RCAs seem unreliable. Sylvania looks good. Check the: 1/ Warranty offered 2/ Repair situation (one cannot get parts for some sets now offered) 3/ Ratings and customer satisfaction (Google might be very helpful here) -- 36 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:22:06 -0500, "Mark" wrote:
On February 17, 2009, federal law requires that all full-power television broadcast stations stop broadcasting in analog format and broadcast only in digital format. So if your new TV doesn't have a digital tuner you will need a converter box to receive anything, even just plan over the air broadcasts. You won't need a converter for cable if you just want the analog channels. "Frank" wrote in message ... Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen Really don't need a lot of bells etc. But would like a digital tuner . I see many crt sets for under $200 and I now see Sylvania has a LCD set with rectangular screen for about $240. I don't feel wide screen is that big a deal ,but taking the weight and location of the set(up on a wall mount) I am considering the Sylvania. Any advice? Frank -- 36 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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Bull. Never happen..
too many analog tv's out there to expect that. It's been a rumor for two years or more now and rumor is just what it is. s "Mark" wrote in message ... On February 17, 2009, federal law requires that all full-power television broadcast stations stop broadcasting in analog format and broadcast only in digital format. So if your new TV doesn't have a digital tuner you will need a converter box to receive anything, even just plan over the air broadcasts. |
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On Nov 19, 7:07�pm, "Steve Barker" wrote:
Bull. �Never happen.. too many analog tv's out there to expect that. � It's been a rumor for two years or more now and rumor is just what it is. s "Mark" wrote in message ... On February 17, 2009, federal law requires that all full-power television broadcast stations stop broadcasting in analog format and broadcast only in digital format. �So if your new TV doesn't have a digital tuner you will need a converter box to receive anything, even just plan over the air broadcasts.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - if your on cable or satellite the end of analog will be a non issue when it occurs and I seriously doubt it will be before 2015. the end of analog was all about reselling the bandwidth to make the federal deficit smaller. with the iraq war costs the $$$ for bandwidth is a drop in the bucket. incidently high def sets smaller than 30 inches will see little if any picture quality change. only larger screens will really see a big difference |
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"Steve Barker" wrote: Bull. Never happen.. too many analog tv's out there to expect that. It's been a rumor for two years or more now and rumor is just what it is. s Actually it is a law. Now whether Congresscritters will come along and play games with the deadline as it gets nearer is anyone's guess. Look at the all the hooha with "deadline" for passports in the Caribbean and Mexico...both of them. |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:22:06 -0500, "Mark" wrote: On February 17, 2009, federal law requires that all full-power television broadcast stations stop broadcasting in analog format and broadcast only in digital format. So if your new TV doesn't have a digital tuner you will need a converter box to receive anything, even just plan over the air broadcasts. You won't need a converter for cable if you just want the analog channels. Which won't exist after 2/17/2009. So you may "want the analog channels" but there won't be any. |
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"Steve Barker" wrote in message ... Bull. Never happen.. too many analog tv's out there to expect that. It's been a rumor for two years or more now and rumor is just what it is. Barring major legislation it definitely will. It was originally scheduled to happen in 2006 but kept getting delayed by nervous politicians. The 2009 date is often referred to as the "drop dead" date for analog broadcasts. Now keep in mind that about 80% of the population gets TV signals via cable or satellite. In both cases the provider will provide the conversion. But don't expect to receive over-the-air analog broadcasts come early 2009. |
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In article , Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:
Frank wrote: Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen [snip] Bought a 15 inch Sylvania LCD for the kitchen last year. [snip] Meanwhile, I'm sitting here trying to figure out why in hell anybody would want a TV in his kitchen. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Frank wrote: Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen [snip] Bought a 15 inch Sylvania LCD for the kitchen last year. [snip] Meanwhile, I'm sitting here trying to figure out why in hell anybody would want a TV in his kitchen. For those of us who live alone, so we can watch the news while we eat dinner and read the paper. If anybody else lived here, I would of course talk to them instead. aem sends... |
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Here's the latest on dtv, I'm waiting for the local on-air
stations to give away boxes. It happened back in the UHF days. You'll just be SOL with your battery/portable sets. The gument set aside 1 1/2 BILLION for education/converters, but that's only 1 percent of the annual BUSH WAR cost ;-) http://www.dtv.gov/consumercorner.html -larry / dallas |
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Well maybe as to not miss a show whilst cooking. Or maybe watching the
morning news (for those who watch news) during breakfast. Just a couple of possibilities i can think of. Have you seen the new 'friges with a tv screen in them? s "Doug Miller" wrote in message . .. Meanwhile, I'm sitting here trying to figure out why in hell anybody would want a TV in his kitchen. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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"DonC" writes:
You won't need a converter for cable if you just want the analog channels. Which won't exist after 2/17/2009. So you may "want the analog channels" but there won't be any. Which analog channels are you referring to? There won't be any over-the-air analog channels, but there may still be analog channels on cable. The cable system already receives those broadcasts and translates them to a different frequency for retransmission on cable. All they have to do to continue distributing those channels in analog is receive them with a digital receiver, then feed it to an analog TV modulator for distribution. If they don't do this, all their customers using analog tuners (no digital box) to receive cable will scream. Dave |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Frank wrote: Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen [snip] Bought a 15 inch Sylvania LCD for the kitchen last year. [snip] Meanwhile, I'm sitting here trying to figure out why in hell anybody would want a TV in his kitchen. Are you married? My wife would want one in every room if I could string cable to it. As it is we only have in six rooms. Once rented a hotel room in DC that had a TV in the bathroom. It was on a swivel wall mount so you could view no matter what you were doing there ;) Frank |
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On Nov 20, 2:52 am, (Dave Martindale) wrote:
"DonC" writes: You won't need a converter for cable if you just want the analog channels. Which won't exist after 2/17/2009. So you may "want the analog channels" but there won't be any. Which analog channels are you referring to? There won't be any over-the-air analog channels, but there may still be analog channels on cable. The cable system already receives those broadcasts and translates them to a different frequency for retransmission on cable. All they have to do to continue distributing those channels in analog is receive them with a digital receiver, then feed it to an analog TV modulator for distribution. If they don't do this, all their customers using analog tuners (no digital box) to receive cable will scream. Dave Yes, that's what will happen. The cable companies aren't going to alienate their customer base and if you receive NTSC via cable today, you will continue to be able to do so. There might be an exception somewhere and you could check with your own cable company. The level of misinformation out there on this is incredible. In addition to claiming that cable customers will be affected, in this thread we have a post claiming the NTSC over the air broadcasting turn off is just a rumor. It's a plan that has been determined by Congress and in place for years. Now the date may get pushed out again, but that is far different from claiming it's a rumor. As far as the OP buying a new TV, any new TV manufactured today is required to have an ATSC tuner in it. |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:37:07 -0700, "DonC"
wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:22:06 -0500, "Mark" wrote: On February 17, 2009, federal law requires that all full-power television broadcast stations stop broadcasting in analog format and broadcast only in digital format. So if your new TV doesn't have a digital tuner you will need a converter box to receive anything, even just plan over the air broadcasts. You won't need a converter for cable if you just want the analog channels. Which won't exist after 2/17/2009. So you may "want the analog channels" but there won't be any. Not True. The law is just about terrestrial OTA and says nothing about cable. In fact, I heard something about cable systems being REQUIRED to provide analog service until at least 2012. -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:07:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Nov 19, 7:07?pm, "Steve Barker" wrote: Bull. ?Never happen.. too many analog tv's out there to expect that. ? It's been a rumor for two years or more now and rumor is just what it is. s "Mark" wrote in message ... On February 17, 2009, federal law requires that all full-power television broadcast stations stop broadcasting in analog format and broadcast only in digital format. ?So if your new TV doesn't have a digital tuner you will need a converter box to receive anything, even just plan over the air broadcasts.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - if your on cable or satellite the end of analog will be a non issue when it occurs and I seriously doubt it will be before 2015. I agree with that prediction. the end of analog was all about reselling the bandwidth to make the federal deficit smaller. with the iraq war costs the $$$ for bandwidth is a drop in the bucket. incidently high def sets smaller than 30 inches will see little if any picture quality change. only larger screens will really see a big difference You're likely to notice the more stable color. -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:41:56 -0700, "DonC"
wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote in message m... Bull. Never happen.. too many analog tv's out there to expect that. It's been a rumor for two years or more now and rumor is just what it is. Barring major legislation it definitely will. It was originally scheduled to happen in 2006 but kept getting delayed by nervous politicians. The 2009 date is often referred to as the "drop dead" date for analog broadcasts. Now keep in mind that about 80% of the population gets TV signals via cable or satellite. In both cases the provider will provide the conversion. But don't expect to receive over-the-air analog broadcasts come early 2009. Strange how many people assume the law isn't limited (as it is) to OTA. -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:26:51 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote: In article , Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Frank wrote: Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen [snip] Bought a 15 inch Sylvania LCD for the kitchen last year. [snip] Meanwhile, I'm sitting here trying to figure out why in hell anybody would want a TV in his kitchen. Some want one in the bathroom too. -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:34:46 -0500, Frank
frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article , Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Frank wrote: Need to replace a 19"TV we have in our kitchen [snip] Bought a 15 inch Sylvania LCD for the kitchen last year. [snip] Meanwhile, I'm sitting here trying to figure out why in hell anybody would want a TV in his kitchen. Are you married? My wife would want one in every room if I could string cable to it. As it is we only have in six rooms. Once rented a hotel room in DC that had a TV in the bathroom. It was on a swivel wall mount so you could view no matter what you were doing there ;) Frank Mine is viewable from both tub and toilet. I don't use it much for broadcasts, but for monitoring the security camera at the front door. It helps to know when it's worth answering the door. -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:45:04 -0800 (PST),
" wrote: I am considering the Sylvania. Any advice? Frank I have only bought one Sylvania product in my life and I will NEVER EVER buy another one. It was junk and CS was non existence. Good Luck, Expect bad or nonexistent CS with any brand. Hope you don't need it. -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Nov 20, 11:10 am, Dan Espen
wrote: writes: On Nov 20, 2:52 am, (Dave Martindale) wrote: "DonC" writes: You won't need a converter for cable if you just want the analog channels. Which won't exist after 2/17/2009. So you may "want the analog channels" but there won't be any. Which analog channels are you referring to? There won't be any over-the-air analog channels, but there may still be analog channels on cable. The cable system already receives those broadcasts and translates them to a different frequency for retransmission on cable. All they have to do to continue distributing those channels in analog is receive them with a digital receiver, then feed it to an analog TV modulator for distribution. If they don't do this, all their customers using analog tuners (no digital box) to receive cable will scream. Yes, that's what will happen. The cable companies aren't going to alienate their customer base Uh, you're trying to tell me Comcast will miss an opportunity to alienate their customer base? I find that hard to believe. Seriously, at some point, not long after the conversion, the cable companies will want to rid themselves of the digital to analogue conversion. It will allow them to deliver more channels and save costs. Not to mention collect rental on set top boxes. It's not like they have 100 monkies sitting in a big building doing the conversion. The hardware is simple and straightforward and isn't a significant cost. They would free up some more bandwidth, but I'm not sure having a few local channels in NTSC makes that big of a difference. It's true they could try to use that as an excuse to force folks into getting a box that currently don't use one. But I don't see any indication that's going to happen. Plus, being highly regulated, there may be roadblocks to them doing it as well. Some providers (like Verizon FIOS) are all digital now. I switched to FIOS last week and the Verizon trucks are all over town.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Nov 20, 2:55 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:09:39 -0800 (PST), wrote: Yes, that's what will happen. The cable companies aren't going to alienate their customer base and if you receive NTSC via cable today, you will continue to be able to do so. There might be an exception somewhere and you could check with your own cable company. Comcast is already discontinuing analog in some big cities. You only get the "must carry" stations. (pretty much what you get with an antenna). Hmmm, isn;t that exactly what we're talking about? Receiving the local OTA stations via cable? No one suggested you can get ESPN or Disney without a cable box or card. They want the bandwidth back too. You have to rent a box to use your analog TV. |
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Mark Lloyd wrote: It helps to know when it's worth answering the door. That's easy: ONLY if it's Ed McMahon with a TV crew. -- :) JR |
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Dan Espen wrote: Uh, you're trying to tell me Comcast will miss an opportunity to alienate their customer base? I find that hard to believe. ARGH!! [ROFL] You should give advance "spew" warnings for such statements! -- :) JR |
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Dave Martindale wrote:
Which analog channels are you referring to? There won't be any over-the-air analog channels, but there may still be analog channels on cable. The cable system already receives those broadcasts and translates them to a different frequency for retransmission on cable. All they have to do to continue distributing those channels in analog is receive them with a digital receiver, then feed it to an analog TV modulator for distribution. I believe the Congress has specifically prohibited that. http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6295306.html -- Angry American flags attack Hillary Clinton! |
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
Not True. The law is just about terrestrial OTA and says nothing about cable. In fact, I heard something about cable systems being REQUIRED to provide analog service until at least 2012. http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6295306.html -- Angry American flags attack Hillary Clinton! |
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On Nov 20, 7:51 pm, clifto wrote:
Dave Martindale wrote: Which analog channels are you referring to? There won't be any over-the-air analog channels, but there may still be analog channels on cable. The cable system already receives those broadcasts and translates them to a different frequency for retransmission on cable. All they have to do to continue distributing those channels in analog is receive them with a digital receiver, then feed it to an analog TV modulator for distribution. I believe the Congress has specifically prohibited that. http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6295306.html -- Angry American flags attack Hillary Clinton! Well, it sure looks like you guys are right. The article referenced doesn't say if the bill was signed into law by Bush, but assuming it was and nothing has changed since, then it looks like analog over cable is kaput in Feb 09. It's amazing the politics and God knows what else factors into this. And surprisingly, it's the broadcasters that insisted on this, not the cable companies? Makes no sense to me. It would seem if the cable companies wanted to take the digital signals and rebroadcast them as analog to keep people happy and watching, that the broadcasters would benefit. I really don't understand why broadcasters have a beef with cable continuing to supply analog. Looks like bottom line is if you have any sets using analog cable without a cable box, you're going to have to get one in another year. |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:10:12 GMT, Dan Espen
wrote: writes: On Nov 20, 2:52 am, (Dave Martindale) wrote: "DonC" writes: You won't need a converter for cable if you just want the analog channels. Which won't exist after 2/17/2009. So you may "want the analog channels" but there won't be any. Which analog channels are you referring to? There won't be any over-the-air analog channels, but there may still be analog channels on cable. The cable system already receives those broadcasts and translates them to a different frequency for retransmission on cable. All they have to do to continue distributing those channels in analog is receive them with a digital receiver, then feed it to an analog TV modulator for distribution. If they don't do this, all their customers using analog tuners (no digital box) to receive cable will scream. Yes, that's what will happen. The cable companies aren't going to alienate their customer base Uh, you're trying to tell me Comcast will miss an opportunity to alienate their customer base? I find that hard to believe. Seriously, at some point, not long after the conversion, the cable companies will want to rid themselves of the digital to analogue conversion. It will allow them to deliver more channels and save costs. Not to mention collect rental on set top boxes. Some providers (like Verizon FIOS) are all digital now. I switched to FIOS last week and the Verizon trucks are all over town. I may be interested in FIOS if it ever becomes available here. The local phone company is Verizon. -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:59:28 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:24:48 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: Strange how many people assume the law isn't limited (as it is) to OTA. It isn't what the law is limited to, it is what the cableco can get away with. As I said above, Comcast, the general scum of the earth, is already cutting off analog for anything that isn't "must carry". That is basically what you could get with a coathanger. Some people don't get to experience Comcast :) -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:33:26 -0600, Jim Redelfs
wrote: In article , Mark Lloyd wrote: It helps to know when it's worth answering the door. That's easy: ONLY if it's Ed McMahon with a TV crew. and NOT this guy who's wanting money for something bad (cocaine?), or strangers carrying bibles. -- 35 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "I have found Christian dogma unintelligable. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:59:28 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:24:48 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: Strange how many people assume the law isn't limited (as it is) to OTA. It isn't what the law is limited to, it is what the cableco can get away with. As I said above, Comcast, the general scum of the earth, is already cutting off analog for anything that isn't "must carry". That is basically what you could get with a coathanger. Some people don't get to experience Comcast :) Some people experience Comcast's arrogance and then move on to more friendly territory. I switched from them to Dish Network but was stuck with them for internet service. I now live in a town with two internet providers - Cox and Quest - and the competition is great for the customer. Both also provide telephone service so prices are low and the service is great. I still have Dish Network 'cuz the HDTV content and HD-DVR offerings are much better. |
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" Some astute little prick already took out a patent that will stop you from changing channel when a commercial comes on. You will be able to watch the shows commercial free for a fee. Claude Can you give us a link supporting your post? |
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