Has never voted to raise taxes.
Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Has never taken a government-paid junket.
Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
U.S. treasury every year.
Voted against the Patriot Act.
Voted against the Iraq war.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

wrote in message
oups.com...
Has never voted to raise taxes.
Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Has never taken a government-paid junket.
Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
U.S. treasury every year.
Voted against the Patriot Act.
Voted against the Iraq war.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Does he derive benefit from stolen money?

wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:07 -0700,
wrote:

Has never voted to raise taxes.
Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Has never taken a government-paid junket.
Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.

http://www.rupaul2008.com/

Same could be said for Ru Paul!

http://www.rupaul.com/gallery/index.shtml

Libertarians are much like the Celtic warriors hired by the English kings of
old; fierce, brave, loyal as hell. You just don't want them actually running
things.

h wrote:

Libertarians are much like the Celtic warriors hired by the English kings
of old; fierce, brave, loyal as hell. You just don't want them actually
running things.

Why? Because they actually expect people to be responsible for themselves?

Well, yeah. You know. **** happens. The problem is society, not
criminals. It's all about racism and antisemitism. It's about
homophobia and reaching under a stall and being misunderstood.. It's
about the poor being abused and "immigrants" being discriminated
against. It's about crime caused by citizens having "easy access" to
guns and taxes caused by the other party. People aren't responsible
for events. It's just the times we live in, right?

On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:07 -0700, aaaaaaaadftdfgdfgdfgdfgdgdf wrote:

Has never voted to raise taxes.
Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Has never taken a government-paid junket.
Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
U.S. treasury every year.
Voted against the Patriot Act.
Voted against the Iraq war.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Sounds pretty negative to me. What HAS he done.

"Benj" wrote in message
ups.com...
It's about
homophobia and reaching under a stall and being misunderstood..

Unless you already have a history of such behavior. Suddenly, it's not
"misunderstood".

Bob

is supported by an asshole anonymous spammer and apparently
condones Usenet abuse as a campaign tactic.

On Oct 5, 8:44 am, ray wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:07 -0700, aaaaaaaadftdfgdfgdfgdfgdgdf wrote:
Has never voted to raise taxes.
Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Has never taken a government-paid junket.
Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
U.S. treasury every year.
Voted against the Patriot Act.
Voted against the Iraq war.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Sounds pretty negative to me. What HAS he done.
So then you support raising taxes, unbalanced budgets, federal
restrictions on gun ownership, congressional pay raises, government-
paid junkets, increasing the power of the executive branch, the
Patriot Act, and the Iraq War?

Those who oppose all of these things should vote for Paul. Those
who oppose even MOST of those things should vote for Paul.


Michael

HeyBub wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:07 -0700,
wrote:

Has never voted to raise taxes.
Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Has never taken a government-paid junket.
Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
http://www.rupaul2008.com/
Same could be said for Ru Paul!

http://www.rupaul.com/gallery/index.shtml

Libertarians are much like the Celtic warriors hired by the English kings of
old; fierce, brave, loyal as hell. You just don't want them actually running
things.

Oh? Why? Even the 'murrican pipples want their pollytishuns to do what
they say they'll do. "Read my lips. No new taxes." said Bush the
elder, who then raised taxes, and lost his reelection.


--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

jJim McLaughlin wrote:
is supported by an asshole anonymous spammer and apparently
condones Usenet abuse as a campaign tactic.

fu set

Bama Brian wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:07 -0700,
wrote:

Has never voted to raise taxes.
Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Has never taken a government-paid junket.
Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
http://www.rupaul2008.com/
Same could be said for Ru Paul!

http://www.rupaul.com/gallery/index.shtml

Libertarians are much like the Celtic warriors hired by the English
kings of old; fierce, brave, loyal as hell. You just don't want them
actually running things.

Oh? Why? Even the 'murrican pipples want their pollytishuns to do what
they say they'll do. "Read my lips. No new taxes." said Bush the
elder, who then raised taxes, and lost his reelection.

Whatever. fu set

Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/ in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL on
20% of the things he should have.



Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/ in
all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
on
20% of the things he should have.



Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
Medicare to negotiate drug prices.


Could that be because the government has no business being in the healthcare
business???

Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/ in
all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
on
20% of the things he should have.


Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
Medicare to negotiate drug prices.


Could that be because the government has no business being in the healthcare
business???


Debatable. fu set.

--
lsmft

Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/ in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL on
20% of the things he should have.

--

wrote in message
oups.com...
Has never voted to raise taxes.
Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
Has never taken a government-paid junket.
Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
U.S. treasury every year.
Voted against the Patriot Act.
Voted against the Iraq war.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/ in
all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
on
20% of the things he should have.


Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
Medicare to negotiate drug prices.


Could that be because the government has no business being in the healthcare
business???


That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

George Grapman wrote:
Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/
in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
ALL on
20% of the things he should have.


Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.


Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???

That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

Somewhat.

lsmft

John McWilliams wrote:
George Grapman wrote:
Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/
in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
ALL on
20% of the things he should have.


Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.


Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???

That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

Somewhat.

Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
one can assume the government paid for your education.

In article , George Grapman wrote:

Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
one can assume the government paid for your education.

Nonsense. "The government" never paid a dime for his education, or yours, or
mine, or anyone else's. The *taxpayers* paid for it.

"Government money" is a myth.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Doug Miller wrote:
In article , George Grapman wrote:

Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
one can assume the government paid for your education.

Nonsense. "The government" never paid a dime for his education, or yours, or
mine, or anyone else's. The *taxpayers* paid for it.

"Government money" is a myth.

Fine I will change the question . Did taxpayers finance the education
of this opponent of taxpayer financed health care?

wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:48:23 GMT, George Grapman
wrote:

Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
one can assume the government paid for your education.

In fact I did go to a private school that received no public funding
and my parents still had to pay school taxes.
I have no real problem with public funding of education, it is the
government operation of the schools itself that is the problem

Did you go to college? How was that financed?

Lee County Florida public school system is taxing us $20,000 a student
(annual budget 1.7 billion) for a school system that still produces
mediocre results. The best private school in town is cheaper. The main
problem with the public school system, and education in general in the
US, is it is run by people who went to school at 4 or 5 years old and
never left.

George Grapman wrote:

John McWilliams wrote:

George Grapman wrote:

Leon Baker wrote:

"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...

Herb Kauhry wrote:

Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/
in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted
AT ALL on
20% of the things he should have.


Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.



Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???

That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?


Somewhat.

Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
one can assume the government paid for your education.


You're assuming he's educated.

wrote:
I have no real problem with public funding of education, it is the
government operation of the schools itself that is the problem

I have no problem with about 5% of education funding. The local high school
is spending $100,000 to put Astroturf on the tennis courts, and I'm searching
behind the couch cushions for change.

--
One phrase that explains 99% of all idiot driving:
"You can't block traffic if you're not in the way."

Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/ in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL on
20% of the things he should have.

Anybody ask him why he did not vote on those issues?


--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:23:39 -0700, George Grapman
wrote:

Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/
in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
ALL on
20% of the things he should have.


Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???
That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

The VA charges $8.00 for the same prescription drugs you can get at
Walmart for $4.00. But VA doctors will not write normal prescriptions,
just ones good only good at the VA pharmacy, so we are stuck with the VA
overpriced drugs. Negotiated drug prices at the VA are a joke. If Bush and
his masters really believed in free enterprise, they could just order the
VA doctors to issue normal prescriptions like every other doctor does that
could be filled at the patients choice of pharmacy.

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

€œIf tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of
fighting a foreign enemy.€�
James Madison

Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:23:39 -0700, George Grapman
wrote:

Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/
in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
ALL on
20% of the things he should have.


Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???
That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

The VA charges $8.00 for the same prescription drugs you can get at
Walmart for $4.00. But VA doctors will not write normal prescriptions,
just ones good only good at the VA pharmacy, so we are stuck with the VA
overpriced drugs. Negotiated drug prices at the VA are a joke. If Bush
and his masters really believed in free enterprise, they could just
order the VA doctors to issue normal prescriptions like every other
doctor does that could be filled at the patients choice of pharmacy.

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

€œIf tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of
fighting a foreign enemy.€�
James Madison

Your sig delimiter is missing.

--
sldktk. Please BE SURE to capitalize IMPORTANT WORDS in case you think
your audience is NOT very bright, or you have a limited vocabulary.

"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/ in
all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
on
20% of the things he should have.


Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
Medicare to negotiate drug prices.


Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???
That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

I oppose the federal government sticking their noses into education. That is
a function of the states. We do have a constitution in this country, you
know? Try reading it and the writings of those who wrote it sometime...

Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/ in
all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
on
20% of the things he should have.

Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???
That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

I oppose the federal government sticking their noses into education. That is
a function of the states. We do have a constitution in this country, you
know? Try reading it and the writings of those who wrote it sometime...


So how was your education financed?

"George Grapman" wrote in message
et...
Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/
in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
ALL on
20% of the things he should have.

Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???
That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

I oppose the federal government sticking their noses into education. That
is a function of the states. We do have a constitution in this country,
you know? Try reading it and the writings of those who wrote it
sometime...
So how was your education financed?

It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with no
federal money.

Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
et...
Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Leon Baker wrote:
"George Grapman" wrote in message
t...
Herb Kauhry wrote:
Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c.../vote-missers/
in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
ALL on
20% of the things he should have.

Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
Could that be because the government has no business being in the
healthcare business???
That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
negotiated prices, it works for the VA
By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?
I oppose the federal government sticking their noses into education. That
is a function of the states. We do have a constitution in this country,
you know? Try reading it and the writings of those who wrote it
sometime...
So how was your education financed?

It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with no
federal money.


But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.

In article ,
George Grapman wrote:



It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with no
federal money.


But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.

First of all you would have to FIND some benefits.

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
George Grapman wrote:

It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with no
federal money.


But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.

First of all you would have to FIND some benefits.
If you reaped no benefits from years of education I think the problem
was you rather than the system.

I wonder how many people become libertarians when their student loans
are due.

In article ,
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:05:57 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
George Grapman wrote:



It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with
no
federal money.


But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.

First of all you would have to FIND some benefits.


Good point, that federal money comes with mandates the money will not
cover.

Always do. Why do think the drinking age everywhere is 21 and
there are mandatory seatbelt laws, etc. etc. etc. etc.

In article ,
George Grapman wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
George Grapman wrote:

It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with
no
federal money.


But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.

First of all you would have to FIND some benefits.
If you reaped no benefits from years of education I think the problem
was you rather than the system.

You reaped benefits from the FEDERAL money "given" to the
schools? You would certainly be among the first.

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:05:57 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
George Grapman wrote:

It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with
no
federal money.


But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.
First of all you would have to FIND some benefits.

Good point, that federal money comes with mandates the money will not
cover.

Always do. Why do think the drinking age everywhere is 21 and
there are mandatory seatbelt laws, etc. etc. etc. etc.


With both examples a state could negate those laws by losing federal
funding but even the strongest advocates of states rights are rarely
ready to do that.

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
George Grapman wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
George Grapman wrote:

It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with
no
federal money.


But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.
First of all you would have to FIND some benefits.
If you reaped no benefits from years of education I think the problem
was you rather than the system.

You reaped benefits from the FEDERAL money "given" to the
schools? You would certainly be among the first.

As I said if one got no benefits from that education the fault most
likely lies with the individual.

On Oct 9, 12:50 pm, George Grapman wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
George Grapman wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
George Grapman wrote:

It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with
no
federal money.

But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.
First of all you would have to FIND some benefits.
If you reaped no benefits from years of education I think the problem
was you rather than the system.

You reaped benefits from the FEDERAL money "given" to the
schools? You would certainly be among the first.

As I said if one got no benefits from that education the fault most
likely lies with the individual.

When you compare the money the federal government gives to education
to the cost of what it requires states and school districts to do to
get that money, it is doubtful that there is much benefit for anyone.

Austin

AustinMN wrote:
On Oct 9, 12:50 pm, George Grapman wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
George Grapman wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
George Grapman wrote:
It should have been financed by my state and local school district, with
no
federal money.
But it was and you reaped the benefits that you now want to deny to
others.
First of all you would have to FIND some benefits.
If you reaped no benefits from years of education I think the problem
was you rather than the system.
You reaped benefits from the FEDERAL money "given" to the
schools? You would certainly be among the first.
As I said if one got no benefits from that education the fault most
likely lies with the individual.

When you compare the money the federal government gives to education
to the cost of what it requires states and school districts to do to
get that money, it is doubtful that there is much benefit for anyone.

Austin

Fine, your state and district are free to refuse that money.

In article ,
George Grapman wrote:



Fine, your state and district are free to refuse that money.

In much the same way (any more) that a junkie is free to refuse heroin
or a smoker is free to refuse a cigarette. In all three cases, there is
a very nasty withdrawal period....