I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!

"Finman" wrote in message
ups.com...
I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling.

You can't put Latex over oil... Scrape down the walls the best you can and
repaint with oil.

on 9/14/2007 9:55 PM Noozer said the following:
"Finman" wrote in message
ups.com...

I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling.


You can't put Latex over oil... Scrape down the walls the best you can and
repaint with oil.

Fron: http://www.kilz.com/pages/default.aspx?NavID=23

"KILZ Original primer/sealer will dry to the touch in 30 minutes and can
be recoated or topcoated in one hour with *either latex or oil-based
paint*. It makes an excellent enamel undercoater, leaving the surface
well prepared for a smooth, enamel finish."



--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Noozer wrote:
"Finman" wrote in message
ups.com...

I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling.


You can't put Latex over oil... Scrape down the walls the best you can and
repaint with oil.


Not true - latex can go on an oil primer.

on 9/15/2007 5:53 AM Norminn said the following:
Noozer wrote:
"Finman" wrote in message
ups.com...

I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling.


You can't put Latex over oil... Scrape down the walls the best you
can and repaint with oil.

Not true - latex can go on an oil primer.
Latex can go over any Oil or Alkyd paint. It's Oil and Alkyd that is not
recommended over Latex

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

willshak wrote:

on 9/15/2007 5:53 AM Norminn said the following:

Noozer wrote:

"Finman" wrote in message
ups.com...

I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling.



You can't put Latex over oil... Scrape down the walls the best you
can and repaint with oil.

Not true - latex can go on an oil primer.

Latex can go over any Oil or Alkyd paint. It's Oil and Alkyd that is not
recommended over Latex

If we are talking about primers, either alkyd or latex paint can go over
either alkyd or latex primer, assuming they aren't some special
formulation. Paint over paint is another story. The secret to primers
is allowing them to dry/cure properly.

In article 8YGGi.177346$rX4.10155@pd7urf2no, "Noozer" wrote:

"Finman" wrote in message
oups.com...
I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling.

You can't put Latex over oil... Scrape down the walls the best you can and
repaint with oil.

Bzzt -- wrong answer. Latex over oil *primer* is perfectly fine.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Finman wrote:

I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!

I think it likely that the mud was not sufficiently dry, and oil-based
primer over that was not the right choice. I don't know the normal set
time for mud, but in a damp basement I would expect it to be longer.
Oil-based primer is the wrong choice for new wallboard, as far as I
know. Latex is recommended, and there are special latex primers for new
wallboard. Painter's tape should be removed as soon as the paint is
applied, even if you must do a second coat, as the paint film
overlapping the edge of the tape is continuous with the film on the wall
and pulls away with the tape if allowed to dry. Don't ask how I know )

I started painting a bath in my home, roughly 3 hours after the last
shower. I tried to brush paint (alkyd) onto the ceiling and the brush
just slid across the ceiling = there was still enough moisture in the
bath, even with exhaust fan, to keep the ceiling wet. I wiped it dry,
got another fan going, and the paint went on fine.

For painting in a basement, I would allow more time for drying than the
label calls for, and do it in warm, dry weather.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:36:11 -0700, Finman
wrote:

The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath.

Preparation of the walls are the most important and most time
consuming. Painting is easier.

--
Oren

"I didn’t say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you."

On Sep 14, 9:03 pm, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:36:11 -0700, Finman
wrote:

The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath.

Preparation of the walls are the most important and most time
consuming. Painting is easier.

--
Oren

What is this suppose to mean? It is not even relevant.

Finman wrote:

On Sep 14, 9:03 pm, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:36:11 -0700, Finman
wrote:


The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath.

Preparation of the walls are the most important and most time
consuming. Painting is easier.

--
Oren


What is this suppose to mean? It is not even relevant.


If there is enough dust on the surface it can interfere with paint adhesion.

Finman wrote:
I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!

Hi,
Holly cow! What's the rush? Oil and Latex? I don't get it.
For me using anything oil is thing of past! No exhaust fan in the bath
room?

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:AnHGi.174082$fJ5.174068@pd7urf1no...
Finman wrote:
I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!

Hi,
Holly cow! What's the rush? Oil and Latex? I don't get it.
For me using anything oil is thing of past! No exhaust fan in the bath
room?

Kilz I believe is a lacquer, I've used it many times on walls mostly
stained it keeps the stains from bleeding threw. I have never had a problem
putting latex over it. On a newly taped wall usually you use PVA to seal it.

On Sep 14, 9:51 pm, "Sacramento Dave" wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message

news:AnHGi.174082$fJ5.174068@pd7urf1no...



Finman wrote:
I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!

Hi,
Holly cow! What's the rush? Oil and Latex? I don't get it.
For me using anything oil is thing of past! No exhaust fan in the bath
room?

Kilz I believe is a lacquer, I've used it many times on walls mostly
stained it keeps the stains from bleeding threw. I have never had a problem
putting latex over it. On a newly taped wall usually you use PVA to seal it.

I'm wondering how bad it is really peeling. If the chips are big, like
fingernail size or bigger, then I'd say you have adhesion problems.
But even the best paint jobs will chip when you pull the masking tape,
if you leave it on too long. Masking tape should be pulled as soon as
possible. You should also score the cut line with a razor knife,
especially if you have waited too long before pulling it. Really, pro
painters don't use a lot of masking tape. It is better to cut with a
brush.

As for the condensation, that happened because paint introduced a lot
of moisture into the air, and by opening the window, the air got below
the dew point. Shouldn't really cause any problems provided the paint
was dry to the touch before water got to it.

On Sep 14, 10:22 pm, marson wrote:
On Sep 14, 9:51 pm, "Sacramento Dave" wrote:





"Tony Hwang" wrote in message

news:AnHGi.174082$fJ5.174068@pd7urf1no...

Finman wrote:
I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!

Hi,
Holly cow! What's the rush? Oil and Latex? I don't get it.
For me using anything oil is thing of past! No exhaust fan in the bath
room?

Kilz I believe is a lacquer, I've used it many times on walls mostly
stained it keeps the stains from bleeding threw. I have never had a problem
putting latex over it. On a newly taped wall usually you use PVA to seal it.

I'm wondering how bad it is really peeling. If the chips are big, like
fingernail size or bigger, then I'd say you have adhesion problems.
But even the best paint jobs will chip when you pull the masking tape,
if you leave it on too long. Masking tape should be pulled as soon as
possible. You should also score the cut line with a razor knife,
especially if you have waited too long before pulling it. Really, pro
painters don't use a lot of masking tape. It is better to cut with a
brush.

As for the condensation, that happened because paint introduced a lot
of moisture into the air, and by opening the window, the air got below
the dew point. Shouldn't really cause any problems provided the paint
was dry to the touch before water got to it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I could peel the paint approx. 1" in many places. It is not just a
little chip.
I used oil based because I wanted a "no odor" primer and that was all
I could find. No latex available in no odor that I know of.

Finman wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:22 pm, marson wrote:

On Sep 14, 9:51 pm, "Sacramento Dave" wrote:






"Tony Hwang" wrote in message

news:AnHGi.174082$fJ5.174068@pd7urf1no...

Finman wrote:

I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!

Hi,
Holly cow! What's the rush? Oil and Latex? I don't get it.
For me using anything oil is thing of past! No exhaust fan in the bath
room?

Kilz I believe is a lacquer, I've used it many times on walls mostly
stained it keeps the stains from bleeding threw. I have never had a problem
putting latex over it. On a newly taped wall usually you use PVA to seal it.

I'm wondering how bad it is really peeling. If the chips are big, like
fingernail size or bigger, then I'd say you have adhesion problems.
But even the best paint jobs will chip when you pull the masking tape,
if you leave it on too long. Masking tape should be pulled as soon as
possible. You should also score the cut line with a razor knife,
especially if you have waited too long before pulling it. Really, pro
painters don't use a lot of masking tape. It is better to cut with a
brush.

As for the condensation, that happened because paint introduced a lot
of moisture into the air, and by opening the window, the air got below
the dew point. Shouldn't really cause any problems provided the paint
was dry to the touch before water got to it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I could peel the paint approx. 1" in many places. It is not just a
little chip.
I used oil based because I wanted a "no odor" primer and that was all
I could find. No latex available in no odor that I know of.

Hi,
I think the wall was not really dry. And the low temp did not help
either. Can you heat the room or use a portable heater?

clipped

I could peel the paint approx. 1" in many places. It is not just a
little chip.
I used oil based because I wanted a "no odor" primer and that was all
I could find. No latex available in no odor that I know of.

I think more people are bothered by oil odor than by latex. If odor is
a problem, keep a window open in the room being painted and use an
exhaust fan to keep odor moving out. Warm, dry weather is painting time )

clipped
I could peel the paint approx. 1" in many places. It is not just a
little chip.
I used oil based because I wanted a "no odor" primer and that was all
I could find. No latex available in no odor that I know of.

Drying and curing are completely different - paint or primer can feel
dry in a couple of hours, but take much longer to reach the final, fully
cured state. Read he
http://www.kilz.com/pages/default.aspx?NavID=61

clipped
Kilz I believe is a lacquer, I've used it many times on walls mostly
stained it keeps the stains from bleeding threw. I have never had a problem
putting latex over it. On a newly taped wall usually you use PVA to seal it.


"Kilz" is a brand .. comes in many flavors. I don't recall reading
about use of PVA for sealing walls...last time I used it was to stick
canvas on wood panels for oil painting.

"Finman" wrote in message
ups.com...
I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!


Years ago a painter told me about the best primer to use on new walls.
Muralo is very thin and it is quickly absorbed into the wall board sealing
it up. I always use Benjamin Moore on top of that with great results. I
used Behr once so I understand why you put on a thick second coat.

As others have stated, you obviously had too much moisture in the room as a
result of it being in the basement and from the moisture from the paint
trying to evaporate. The cold air caused condensation.

Masking tape should be removed promptly after applying paint. In your case
the paint under the tape was not completely dry. It can take several days
for paint to cure completely even though it is dry to the touch. Run your
fingernail into the paint and see if it makes a dent. If it does the paint
is still soft underneath.

At this point I think that you should let everything dry out for a week or
more. Look at the temperature limitations on the paint can and make sure
that the room stays above that. Repaint next week and put a small fan in
the room. Keep the windows shut if it cold outside. Buy a respirator so you
can work with the smell.

On Sep 14, 8:36 pm, Finman wrote:
I am pulling my hair out. I had a bedroom and bathroom constructed in
my basement. 5 days after the drywall had been mudded and sanded I
put on one coat of Kilz Oil based primer. The next day I put on a
coat of satin latex based Behr paint on the ceiling. 1 day following
the ceiling paint I used Behr Bed and Bath paint on the walls, WITHOUT
cutting in, I was leaving the cut in for last (doesn't make sense I
know). I followed that up the following night with a second top
coat. The second coat was applied pretty thick with a 3/4" nap. That
night I left a window open in the basement to help alleviated the
smell. It got down to 45 degrees that night and I had 65% humidity in
the basement. When I checked the bathroom the following morning there
was sweat all over the walls. There was even a small amount of sweat
above the shower where there would be green board (the shower has
never been used). That's my first mystery. I let the room sit for two
days without touching it. After two days I went to remove the tape
and the layers of top coat peeled away in many areas when I tried to
remove the tape. The walls felt like they could have been a slight
bit dusty underneath. I'm trying to figure out what caused these
issues and what I should do next. PLEASE HELP!!

rather than paint with oil (yuck!) I'd scrape down the wall and then
reprime with Zinsser Bulls-Eye 123 latex primer. It will cover any
clean surface without sanding. You can even prime glass with this
stuff. Then repaint with latex. If you live in the Midwest, you can
pick it up at Menard's, if not I am sure you can find it at Home Depot
or Lowe's or Google it and find a local supplier. -It probably was the
dust. You definately can paint latex over an oil based primer. just
not over oil based paint. try keeping the windows closed and opening
any heat vents that may be down there. cook that paint a little and it
will give you a nice finish! 45 degrees is a bit cool for interior
paint. It was probably the mix of cold outside and warm inside that
caused the sweating. keeping the windows closed will prevent that.