I am looking into installing a dehumidifier into a bedroom (~250 sq
f?). Thus, I need it quiet, and I also would like it to be able to go
down to 25% RH. Since the room is quite small I am hoping to find a
unit that can do the job w/o making too much noise. But I am having
hard time finding humidity range in specs for units sold online. Can
anyone make a suggestion? Derby is advertised as the quietest, but it
only goes down to 35% RH. I guess anything above 60 Db is noisy (Derby
is 50 db).

On 25 Apr 2007 00:44:37 -0700, wrote:

I am looking into installing a dehumidifier into a bedroom (~250 sq
f?). Thus, I need it quiet, and I also would like it to be able to go
down to 25% RH. Since the room is quite small I am hoping to find a
unit that can do the job w/o making too much noise. But I am having
hard time finding humidity range in specs for units sold online. Can
anyone make a suggestion? Derby is advertised as the quietest, but it
only goes down to 35% RH. I guess anything above 60 Db is noisy (Derby
is 50 db).


25% is unnaturally dry and not good for people or furnature. Why do you want to
go so low?


Robert Scott
Ypsilanti, Michigan

On 25 Apr 2007 00:44:37 -0700, wrote:

I am looking into installing a dehumidifier into a bedroom (~250 sq
f?). Thus, I need it quiet, and I also would like it to be able to go
down to 25% RH. Since the room is quite small I am hoping to find a
unit that can do the job w/o making too much noise. But I am having
hard time finding humidity range in specs for units sold online. Can
anyone make a suggestion? Derby is advertised as the quietest, but it
only goes down to 35% RH. I guess anything above 60 Db is noisy (Derby
is 50 db).


Buy a chemical tent dehumidifier.

Thanks a lot for the responses. Interestingly, I called EBAC, and they
also recommended a dehumidifier based on a chemical absorbent.

I am trying to create a desert-like atmosphere in my bedroom. 25% is
not that low: the air in mountain regions and deserts is much dier.
E.g. the weather forecast in Bishop, CA for today claimed 13%
humidity.My asthma gets much better in the desert and in the mountains.

In addition, I found that dessicant-based DHs generate excessive heat.
In principle, I could make an exhaust system to drive the heat outside
of my room... This way I could also avoid having to dump the water.

wrote:

... I called EBAC, and they also recommended a dehumidifier based on
a chemical absorbent.

It's hard to do 25% in the usual way. Raising air from 32 F and 100% RH
(with a frozen coil) to 70 F would only lower the RH to 24%...

I am trying to create a desert-like atmosphere in my bedroom. 25% is
not that low: the air in mountain regions and deserts is much dier.
E.g. the weather forecast in Bishop, CA for today claimed 13%
humidity.My asthma gets much better in the desert and in the mountains.

.... 150 Tyvek bags filled with desiccant clay can absorb 28% of their
weight in water, ie 53 pints:

http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.a...-1606&ref=1006

The Florida Solar Energy Center puts clay bags on wire racks in an attic
with a tin roof which heats up and dries them out during the day. After
they cool, at night, they remove moisture from house air that circulates
up through the attic. Here's some Desi-Pak (tm) tech info:

http://www.agmcontainer.com/desiccan...erformance.pdf

Graph 4 shows Desi-Paks can absorb 12% of their weight in 10 hours at 30C
and 60% RH, ie 2.3 pints per hour for the 189 pound collection above. This
rises with more airflow or thinner bags. Graph 3 says they can absorb 8%
in 100 hours at 25C and 10% RH, ie 0.15 pints per hour for 189 pounds.

Engineer Eric Zuercher at 800 995 5590 can email more regeneration info,
eg a graph of clay capacity vs temp, about 17% at 90 F and 5% at 100 F
and 2% at 200 F.

If Neon John gave a rat's ass about global warming :-) he might engineer
himself a plastic film greenhouse full of bags to keep his valuable books
dry, given an outdoor humidity ratio w = 0.0152 pounds of water per pound
of dry air and average daily min and max temps of 67.7 and 89 F and 1860
Btu/ft^2 of sun on the ground and 710 on a south wall on an average July
day (the worst-case month for dehumidification) in Chattanooga, with less
water vapor pressure and cooler air up in his mountain hideout.

Nick

wrote:
wrote:


... I called EBAC, and they also recommended a dehumidifier based on
a chemical absorbent.


It's hard to do 25% in the usual way. Raising air from 32 F and 100% RH
(with a frozen coil) to 70 F would only lower the RH to 24%...


I am trying to create a desert-like atmosphere in my bedroom. 25% is
not that low: the air in mountain regions and deserts is much dier.
E.g. the weather forecast in Bishop, CA for today claimed 13%
humidity.My asthma gets much better in the desert and in the mountains.


... 150 Tyvek bags filled with desiccant clay can absorb 28% of their
weight in water, ie 53 pints:

http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.a...-1606&ref=1006

Since you know more about desiccants than anyone I know, do you have
any information on calcium chloride and or lithium bromide (as liquid
desiccants)? I'd like to take some of my excess solar heat and and use
it to air condition.

Calcium Chloride dessicant dehumidifier diagram:

URL:
http://www.samedanltd.com/members/ar...oenEgberts.htm
/

AC example:

URL:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publica...0-2005-083.PDF
/

I've been wondering where the balance is between humidity,
temperature and solution concentration. My guess is this is where the
enthalpy of the air = that of the brine desiccant, not that I know what
the enthalpy of the brine is!

Roughly what I'm thinking of is using a combination of solar heated
water (passed through a radiator) and hot attic air (I have a fan
powered gable vent) to regenerate the desiccant.

Jeff


The Florida Solar Energy Center puts clay bags on wire racks in an attic
with a tin roof which heats up and dries them out during the day. After
they cool, at night, they remove moisture from house air that circulates
up through the attic. Here's some Desi-Pak (tm) tech info:

http://www.agmcontainer.com/desiccan...erformance.pdf

Graph 4 shows Desi-Paks can absorb 12% of their weight in 10 hours at 30C
and 60% RH, ie 2.3 pints per hour for the 189 pound collection above. This
rises with more airflow or thinner bags. Graph 3 says they can absorb 8%
in 100 hours at 25C and 10% RH, ie 0.15 pints per hour for 189 pounds.

Engineer Eric Zuercher at 800 995 5590 can email more regeneration info,
eg a graph of clay capacity vs temp, about 17% at 90 F and 5% at 100 F
and 2% at 200 F.

If Neon John gave a rat's ass about global warming :-) he might engineer
himself a plastic film greenhouse full of bags to keep his valuable books
dry, given an outdoor humidity ratio w = 0.0152 pounds of water per pound
of dry air and average daily min and max temps of 67.7 and 89 F and 1860
Btu/ft^2 of sun on the ground and 710 on a south wall on an average July
day (the worst-case month for dehumidification) in Chattanooga, with less
water vapor pressure and cooler air up in his mountain hideout.

Nick

Jeff wrote:


Ooops sorry Nick,

I missed your sig and thought the post was from someone I hadn't
queried before.

Jeff

wrote:

wrote:


... I called EBAC, and they also recommended a dehumidifier based on
a chemical absorbent.



It's hard to do 25% in the usual way. Raising air from 32 F and 100% RH
(with a frozen coil) to 70 F would only lower the RH to 24%...


I am trying to create a desert-like atmosphere in my bedroom. 25% is
not that low: the air in mountain regions and deserts is much dier.
E.g. the weather forecast in Bishop, CA for today claimed 13%
humidity.My asthma gets much better in the desert and in the mountains.



... 150 Tyvek bags filled with desiccant clay can absorb 28% of their
weight in water, ie 53 pints:

http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.a...-1606&ref=1006


Since you know more about desiccants than anyone I know, do you have
any information on calcium chloride and or lithium bromide (as liquid
desiccants)? I'd like to take some of my excess solar heat and and use
it to air condition.

Calcium Chloride dessicant dehumidifier diagram:

URL:
http://www.samedanltd.com/members/ar...oenEgberts.htm
/

AC example:

URL:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publica...0-2005-083.PDF
/

I've been wondering where the balance is between humidity, temperature
and solution concentration. My guess is this is where the enthalpy of
the air = that of the brine desiccant, not that I know what the enthalpy
of the brine is!

Roughly what I'm thinking of is using a combination of solar heated
water (passed through a radiator) and hot attic air (I have a fan
powered gable vent) to regenerate the desiccant.

Jeff


The Florida Solar Energy Center puts clay bags on wire racks in an
attic with a tin roof which heats up and dries them out during the
day. After
they cool, at night, they remove moisture from house air that circulates
up through the attic. Here's some Desi-Pak (tm) tech info:

http://www.agmcontainer.com/desiccan...erformance.pdf

Graph 4 shows Desi-Paks can absorb 12% of their weight in 10 hours at 30C
and 60% RH, ie 2.3 pints per hour for the 189 pound collection above.
This
rises with more airflow or thinner bags. Graph 3 says they can absorb 8%
in 100 hours at 25C and 10% RH, ie 0.15 pints per hour for 189 pounds.

Engineer Eric Zuercher at 800 995 5590 can email more regeneration info,
eg a graph of clay capacity vs temp, about 17% at 90 F and 5% at 100 F
and 2% at 200 F.
If Neon John gave a rat's ass about global warming :-) he might engineer
himself a plastic film greenhouse full of bags to keep his valuable books
dry, given an outdoor humidity ratio w = 0.0152 pounds of water per pound
of dry air and average daily min and max temps of 67.7 and 89 F and 1860
Btu/ft^2 of sun on the ground and 710 on a south wall on an average July
day (the worst-case month for dehumidification) in Chattanooga, with less
water vapor pressure and cooler air up in his mountain hideout.

Nick

On Apr 26, 11:34 pm, wrote:
Thanks a lot for the responses. Interestingly, I called EBAC, and they
also recommended a dehumidifier based on a chemical absorbent.

I am trying to create a desert-like atmosphere in my bedroom. 25% is
not that low: the air in mountain regions and deserts is much dier.
E.g. the weather forecast in Bishop, CA for today claimed 13%
humidity.My asthma gets much better in the desert and in the mountains.

While you're at it, you can start your own beef jerky and dried fruit
company!

On 27 Apr 2007 08:06:09 -0400, wrote:

wrote:

If Neon John gave a rat's ass about global warming :-)

I'm very comfortable with my own personal religion. I don't need to
adopt your set of myths.

he might engineer
himself a plastic film greenhouse full of bags to keep his valuable books
dry, given an outdoor humidity ratio w = 0.0152 pounds of water per pound
of dry air and average daily min and max temps of 67.7 and 89 F and 1860
Btu/ft^2 of sun on the ground and 710 on a south wall on an average July
day (the worst-case month for dehumidification) in Chattanooga, with less
water vapor pressure and cooler air up in his mountain hideout.

Yo Nick. Yoohooo, anyone in there? Lights are on but is anyone home?
One more time, I don't live in Chattanooga. I live 100 miles away in
a mountain-side dense forest. Mountain peaks extend for at least 1000
ft on either side of my. Sun only makes it into this little valley for
a few hours a day even in the summer. To waste money on something
like you suggest, I'd have to cut down the forest that surrounds my
home. Why would I want to toss out all those pretty trees and natural
shade?

Besides, the overwhelming proportion of my power comes from nuclear.
The Ultimate Green Power Source.

John
---
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words:
Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill