I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

wrote in message
ups.com...
I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

A split-wired duplex outlet will do the trick. You break off the strap
between the two brass colored screws. That way, one outlet is hot all the
time (dishwasher) and the other is switched (disposal).

With a test light, find out if the above counter switch turns on the top and
or the bottom receptacle. My assumption would be that one outlet is live
constantly, for the dishwasher, and the other works off the switch, for the
disposal. If the switch used to control one of the outlets, but now doesn't,
you need to replace the switch




wrote in message
ups.com...
I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

I misunderstood your post. You just forgot to remove the jumper tab on the
brass side of the receptacle (plug) as Charles describes




"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message
...
With a test light, find out if the above counter switch turns on the top
and or the bottom receptacle. My assumption would be that one outlet is
live constantly, for the dishwasher, and the other works off the switch,
for the disposal. If the switch used to control one of the outlets, but
now doesn't, you need to replace the switch




wrote in message
ups.com...
I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

wrote:
I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

You likely need to break off the little tab joining the brass (not the
silver) screws on the side of the receptacle. This allows one outlet to
be switched while the other is always on.

Chris

In article , "RBM" rbm2(remove wrote:
With a test light, find out if the above counter switch turns on the top and
or the bottom receptacle. My assumption would be that one outlet is live
constantly, for the dishwasher, and the other works off the switch, for the
disposal.

That's probably the way it was, *before* she replaced the receptacle. When she
put the new one in, though, she missed the jumper tab.

If the switch used to control one of the outlets, but now doesn't,
you need to replace the switch

She doesn't need to replace the switch. She needs to break out the jumper tab
connecting the top and bottom halves of the receptacle on the hot side.




wrote in message
oups.com...
I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?




--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On 6 Mar 2007 13:34:29 -0800, wrote:

I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

Reverse the plugs.

That is, plug the top one into the bottom and the bottom one into the
top.

The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle



"mm" wrote in message
...
On 6 Mar 2007 13:34:29 -0800, wrote:

I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

Reverse the plugs.

That is, plug the top one into the bottom and the bottom one into the
top.

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove
wrote:

The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle

How can you tell?


"mm" wrote in message
.. .
On 6 Mar 2007 13:34:29 -0800, wrote:

I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

Reverse the plugs.

That is, plug the top one into the bottom and the bottom one into the
top.

On Mar 6, 5:44 pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove

wrote:
The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle

How can you tell?

I am assuming this is sarcasm?

JK

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:47:34 -0600, Chris Friesen
wrote:

wrote:
I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

You likely need to break off the little tab joining the brass (not the
silver) screws on the side of the receptacle. This allows one outlet to
be switched while the other is always on.

Chris

Your reminder not break the silver connection brings up another
question. (Which I am sure is more than the OP wants to know)

I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

In article , Terry wrote:

I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Two separate circuits feeding the two halves of the receptacle.

Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

Then you would wire it incorrectly -- and dangerously. What you describe is
safe *only* in the case of a properly configured multiwire branch circuit (aka
Edison circuit) and in _no other_ case.

I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

It doesn't.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Mar 6, 8:42 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Terry wrote:
I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Two separate circuits feeding the two halves of the receptacle.



Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

Then you would wire it incorrectly -- and dangerously. What you describe is
safe *only* in the case of a properly configured multiwire branch circuit (aka
Edison circuit) and in _no other_ case.



I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

It doesn't.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Mar 6, 8:42 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Terry wrote:
I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Two separate circuits feeding the two halves of the receptacle.



Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

Then you would wire it incorrectly -- and dangerously. What you describe is
safe *only* in the case of a properly configured multiwire branch circuit (aka
Edison circuit) and in _no other_ case.



I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

It doesn't.


I was thinking that there was a code section that says the yoke of a
receptacle with two circuits must be connected to a double pole
breaker.

How would you do this with two panels?

On 6 Mar 2007 15:53:16 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 5:44 pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove

wrote:
The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle

How can you tell?

I am assuming this is sarcasm?

JK

No. The OP said she replaced the "plug" and she said the garbage
disposal was "plugged" into the "outlet" and later said both devices
were "plugged" into the "outlet". She seemed to know the difference
between plug and outlet, and she said she replaced the plug.

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:44:02 -0500, mm
wrote:

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove
wrote:

The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle

How can you tell?


"plug" refers to the male connector. You SHOULD know how to recognize
males.


"mm" wrote in message
. ..
On 6 Mar 2007 13:34:29 -0800, wrote:

I replaced an electrical plug under the sink in the kitchen.
Currently is does not work properly. If the garbage disposal is
plugged in the outlet then the disposal stays on even when the switch
is off at the sink above the counter. Both the disposal and
dishwasher are plugged in the outlet. What do I need to fix with the
wiring?

Reverse the plugs.

That is, plug the top one into the bottom and the bottom one into the
top.

On Mar 6, 7:59 pm, mm wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 15:53:16 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 5:44 pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove

wrote:
The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle

How can you tell?

I am assuming this is sarcasm?

JK

No. The OP said she replaced the "plug" and she said the garbage
disposal was "plugged" into the "outlet" and later said both devices
were "plugged" into the "outlet". She seemed to know the difference
between plug and outlet, and she said she replaced the plug.

And the next 10+ posters figured out that she hadn't broken the tab
off between the switched outlet (for the disposal) and the unswitched
outlet (for the dishwasher). Can you give me an instance where
changing the plug would have made the disposal run all the time?
Nobody else could, which means we all figured out that the OP meant
that the duplex receptacle got changed.

JK

On 6 Mar 2007 22:53:32 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 7:59 pm, mm wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 15:53:16 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 5:44 pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove

wrote:
The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle

How can you tell?

I am assuming this is sarcasm?

JK

No. The OP said she replaced the "plug" and she said the garbage
disposal was "plugged" into the "outlet" and later said both devices
were "plugged" into the "outlet". She seemed to know the difference
between plug and outlet, and she said she replaced the plug.

And the next 10+ posters figured out that she hadn't broken the tab

I hate to nitpick but 6 or 7. Sam E is the possible 7th and I
couldn't tell exactly what he meant.

off between the switched outlet (for the disposal) and the unswitched
outlet (for the dishwasher).

I noticed that they concluded that, but she hasn't been back here to
tell us one way or the other.

Can you give me an instance where
changing the plug would have made the disposal run all the time?

Yes. If she unplugged the disposal to replace its plug, and unplugged
the dishwasher for whatever reason, and then plugged each one into the
other's socket.

I know you know this but for other possible readers: The power meant
for the dishwasher is always on, because the dishwasher has its own
switch. The garbage disposal is the opposite, so its power is
controlled by the wall switch.

Nobody else could, which means we all figured out that the OP meant
that the duplex receptacle got changed.

My views are not driven by the opinions of everyone else. If she
posts back, which she should, we shall see.

JK

In article .com, "Terry" wrote:
On Mar 6, 8:42 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Terry
wrote:
I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Two separate circuits feeding the two halves of the receptacle.

Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

Then you would wire it incorrectly -- and dangerously. What you describe is
safe *only* in the case of a properly configured multiwire branch circuit
(aka
Edison circuit) and in _no other_ case.

I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

It doesn't.

I was thinking that there was a code section that says the yoke of a
receptacle with two circuits must be connected to a double pole
breaker.

210.4(B) requires this for a multiwire branch circuit, but not for two
separate circuits.

How would you do this with two panels?

You can't -- but you can't compliantly have a multiwire branch circuit
originating from two separate panels, either.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:35:53 -0500, mm
wrote:

On 6 Mar 2007 22:53:32 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 7:59 pm, mm wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 15:53:16 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 5:44 pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove

wrote:
The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle

How can you tell?

I am assuming this is sarcasm?

JK

No. The OP said she replaced the "plug" and she said the garbage
disposal was "plugged" into the "outlet" and later said both devices
were "plugged" into the "outlet". She seemed to know the difference
between plug and outlet, and she said she replaced the plug.

And the next 10+ posters figured out that she hadn't broken the tab

I hate to nitpick but 6 or 7. Sam E is the possible 7th and I
couldn't tell exactly what he meant.

off between the switched outlet (for the disposal) and the unswitched
outlet (for the dishwasher).

I noticed that they concluded that, but she hasn't been back here to
tell us one way or the other.

Can you give me an instance where
changing the plug would have made the disposal run all the time?

Yes. If she unplugged the disposal to replace its plug, and unplugged
the dishwasher for whatever reason, and then plugged each one into the
other's socket.

I know you know this but for other possible readers: The power meant
for the dishwasher is always on, because the dishwasher has its own
switch. The garbage disposal is the opposite, so its power is
controlled by the wall switch.

Nobody else could, which means we all figured out that the OP meant
that the duplex receptacle got changed.

My views are not driven by the opinions of everyone else. If she
posts back, which she should, we shall see.



In other words.....Don't try to confuse me with the facts.

(joking)

On Mar 6, 8:42 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Terry wrote:
I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Two separate circuits feeding the two halves of the receptacle.



Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

Then you would wire it incorrectly -- and dangerously. What you describe is
safe *only* in the case of a properly configured multiwire branch circuit (aka
Edison circuit) and in _no other_ case.



I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

It doesn't.


Can you think of a situation where you would want to feed one
recptacle from two panels?

In article . com, "Terry" wrote:
On Mar 6, 8:42 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Terry
wrote:
I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Two separate circuits feeding the two halves of the receptacle.

Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

Then you would wire it incorrectly -- and dangerously. What you describe is
safe *only* in the case of a properly configured multiwire branch circuit
(aka
Edison circuit) and in _no other_ case.

I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

It doesn't.

Can you think of a situation where you would want to feed one
recptacle from two panels?

No -- but then, I wasn't the one who brought that up, either. You were. :-)

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Mar 7, 12:25 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article . com, "Terry" wrote:





On Mar 6, 8:42 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Terry
wrote:
I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Two separate circuits feeding the two halves of the receptacle.

Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

Then you would wire it incorrectly -- and dangerously. What you describe is
safe *only* in the case of a properly configured multiwire branch circuit
(aka
Edison circuit) and in _no other_ case.

I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

It doesn't.

Can you think of a situation where you would want to feed one
recptacle from two panels?

No -- but then, I wasn't the one who brought that up, either. You were. :-)


Last question, and I will let it die.

Can you think of a situation where you would break the neutral tab?

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:35:53 -0500, mm
wrote:

On 6 Mar 2007 22:53:32 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 7:59 pm, mm wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 15:53:16 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 5:44 pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove

wrote:
The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle

How can you tell?

I am assuming this is sarcasm?

JK

No. The OP said she replaced the "plug" and she said the garbage
disposal was "plugged" into the "outlet" and later said both devices
were "plugged" into the "outlet". She seemed to know the difference
between plug and outlet, and she said she replaced the plug.

And the next 10+ posters figured out that she hadn't broken the tab

I hate to nitpick but 6 or 7. Sam E is the possible 7th and I
couldn't tell exactly what he meant.


I am one of those, even though I didn't say so. I just said a "plug"
is a male connector. Considering the tab, I would have expected the OP
to know the 2 outlets would have to be separated, in order to have
them controlled separately.

off between the switched outlet (for the disposal) and the unswitched
outlet (for the dishwasher).

I noticed that they concluded that, but she hasn't been back here to
tell us one way or the other.

Can you give me an instance where
changing the plug would have made the disposal run all the time?

Yes. If she unplugged the disposal to replace its plug, and unplugged
the dishwasher for whatever reason, and then plugged each one into the
other's socket.

I know you know this but for other possible readers: The power meant
for the dishwasher is always on, because the dishwasher has its own
switch. The garbage disposal is the opposite, so its power is
controlled by the wall switch.

Nobody else could, which means we all figured out that the OP meant
that the duplex receptacle got changed.

My views are not driven by the opinions of everyone else. If she
posts back, which she should, we shall see.

JK

In article . com, "Terry" wrote:
On Mar 7, 12:25 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article . com, "Terry"
wrote:
On Mar 6, 8:42 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Terry
wrote:
I would think that they wouldn't even have a break link between the
neutral. I can't think of any situation where I would break the
neutral link.

Two separate circuits feeding the two halves of the receptacle.

Even if I were connecting two circuits to the outlet, I would never
think of breaking the neutral link.

Then you would wire it incorrectly -- and dangerously. What you describe is
safe *only* in the case of a properly configured multiwire branch circuit (aka
Edison circuit) and in _no other_ case.

I would think the code would prohibit the connecting of a duplex
receptacle to two different panels.

It doesn't.

Can you think of a situation where you would want to feed one
recptacle from two panels?

No -- but then, I wasn't the one who brought that up, either. You were. :-)

Last question, and I will let it die.

Can you think of a situation where you would break the neutral tab?

Already addressed above -- when the receptacle is fed by two separate
circuits.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Sam E wrote:
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:35:53 -0500, mm
wrote:

On 6 Mar 2007 22:53:32 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 7:59 pm, mm wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 15:53:16 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 5:44 pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove
wrote:
The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle
How can you tell?
I am assuming this is sarcasm?
JK
No. The OP said she replaced the "plug" and she said the garbage
disposal was "plugged" into the "outlet" and later said both devices
were "plugged" into the "outlet". She seemed to know the difference
between plug and outlet, and she said she replaced the plug.
And the next 10+ posters figured out that she hadn't broken the tab
I hate to nitpick but 6 or 7. Sam E is the possible 7th and I
couldn't tell exactly what he meant.


I am one of those, even though I didn't say so. I just said a "plug"
is a male connector. Considering the tab, I would have expected the OP
to know the 2 outlets would have to be separated, in order to have
them controlled separately.

off between the switched outlet (for the disposal) and the unswitched
outlet (for the dishwasher).
I noticed that they concluded that, but she hasn't been back here to
tell us one way or the other.

Can you give me an instance where
changing the plug would have made the disposal run all the time?
Yes. If she unplugged the disposal to replace its plug, and unplugged
the dishwasher for whatever reason, and then plugged each one into the
other's socket.

I know you know this but for other possible readers: The power meant
for the dishwasher is always on, because the dishwasher has its own
switch. The garbage disposal is the opposite, so its power is
controlled by the wall switch.

Nobody else could, which means we all figured out that the OP meant
that the duplex receptacle got changed.
My views are not driven by the opinions of everyone else. If she
posts back, which she should, we shall see.

JK

An outlet is any point on the wiring were power is drawn from the
circuit to energize a load.

A receptacle is a particular form of outlet. A lighting fixture
attached directly to a box makes that box a lighting outlet.
--
Tom Horne

"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous
for general use." Thomas Alva Edison

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:47:13 GMT, "Member, Takoma Park Volunteer Fire
Department" wrote:

Sam E wrote:
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:35:53 -0500, mm
wrote:

On 6 Mar 2007 22:53:32 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 7:59 pm, mm wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 15:53:16 -0800, "Big_Jake"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 5:44 pm, mm wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:04:02 -0500, "RBM" rbm2(remove
wrote:
The "plug" isn't a plug, it's a receptacle
How can you tell?
I am assuming this is sarcasm?
JK
No. The OP said she replaced the "plug" and she said the garbage
disposal was "plugged" into the "outlet" and later said both devices
were "plugged" into the "outlet". She seemed to know the difference
between plug and outlet, and she said she replaced the plug.
And the next 10+ posters figured out that she hadn't broken the tab
I hate to nitpick but 6 or 7. Sam E is the possible 7th and I
couldn't tell exactly what he meant.


I am one of those, even though I didn't say so. I just said a "plug"
is a male connector. Considering the tab, I would have expected the OP
to know the 2 outlets would have to be separated, in order to have
them controlled separately.

off between the switched outlet (for the disposal) and the unswitched
outlet (for the dishwasher).
I noticed that they concluded that, but she hasn't been back here to
tell us one way or the other.

Can you give me an instance where
changing the plug would have made the disposal run all the time?
Yes. If she unplugged the disposal to replace its plug, and unplugged
the dishwasher for whatever reason, and then plugged each one into the
other's socket.

I know you know this but for other possible readers: The power meant
for the dishwasher is always on, because the dishwasher has its own
switch. The garbage disposal is the opposite, so its power is
controlled by the wall switch.

Nobody else could, which means we all figured out that the OP meant
that the duplex receptacle got changed.
My views are not driven by the opinions of everyone else. If she
posts back, which she should, we shall see.

JK

An outlet is any point on the wiring were power is drawn from the
circuit to energize a load.

A receptacle is a particular form of outlet. A lighting fixture
attached directly to a box makes that box a lighting outlet.


It is a plug and a plug-in.