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Hello all.
The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() |
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Sounds like you have an old ITE/Bulldog/pushmatic box and breakers. Inside
the panel it may have a model number, but the likelihood of getting a cover for an obsolete panel is pretty low. You'll probably wind up having to replace the entire panel with breakers wrote in message ps.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() |
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On Mar 3, 7:02 pm, Terry wrote:
On 3 Mar 2007 15:20:42 -0800, wrote: Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() They make plastic spacers that just snap in empty breaker slots. You might be able to find something like this at an electrical supply. You might also be able to make some metal ones. A picture always helps.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll take a picture and post either tonight or tomorrow, thanks everyone. How hard would it be for me to shut off the main breaker, have the power company pull the meter, and me swap meticulously from this old box to a new one, if I have to replace everything? Is it something that a somewhat-savvy individual can do and then get an electrician to inspect, or am I flirting with disaster? Thanks again for the input! |
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You may be flirting with disaster. Depending upon the size of the panel and
the particulars of the rest of your service, it may be a three or four hour job, plus the materials. I'd call a few licensed electricians and get prices wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 3, 7:02 pm, Terry wrote: On 3 Mar 2007 15:20:42 -0800, wrote: Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() They make plastic spacers that just snap in empty breaker slots. You might be able to find something like this at an electrical supply. You might also be able to make some metal ones. A picture always helps.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll take a picture and post either tonight or tomorrow, thanks everyone. How hard would it be for me to shut off the main breaker, have the power company pull the meter, and me swap meticulously from this old box to a new one, if I have to replace everything? Is it something that a somewhat-savvy individual can do and then get an electrician to inspect, or am I flirting with disaster? Thanks again for the input! |
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![]() wrote in message How hard would it be for me to shut off the main breaker, have the power company pull the meter, and me swap meticulously from this old box to a new one, if I have to replace everything? Is it something that a somewhat-savvy individual can do and then get an electrician to inspect, or am I flirting with disaster? Thanks again for the input! In some areas, it is possible to get a permit and do the work yourself. Check with your inspector. It is really not all that difficult once the power has been cut. Before you start, take a look at a book on basic wiring. It is pretty much a matter of disconnecting all the wires, pulling them out, replacing the box and breakers and one by one, putting all the wires back. Before you buy anything, see if thee are breakers that are doubled up with two sires going to them. Now is the time to separate all that stuff. Plan ahead, do it on a day with plenty of daylight and plenty of time. -- Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/ |
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The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push
out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. For the first poster. This sounds like an old push-matic breaker box. Maybe with or without the - There should be an identifying number somewhere in the box. Search online for the cover. The box is obsolete. The breakers were still available a few years ago. If you can find a number, I will be happy to call the local distributor. If you want me to do that, email is best. I bet you can figure it out. ![]() Colbyt |
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the last thing you should have to do is replace the panel just because you
don't have a cover. make one of good stiff poster board, then take it to your local metal fab shop and have them make one if you can't order one. jeeeeeze.... replace the panel...... SIGH -- Steve Barker wrote in message ps.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() |
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![]() wrote in message ps.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane |
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![]() "Steve Barker" wrote in message ... the last thing you should have to do is replace the panel just because you don't have a cover. make one of good stiff poster board, then take it to your local metal fab shop and have them make one if you can't order one. jeeeeeze.... replace the panel...... SIGH -- Steve Barker Replacing the panel will probably be cheaper than a "one off" of a panel cover with the proper knockouts. |
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![]() "RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message ... You may be flirting with disaster. Depending upon the size of the panel and the particulars of the rest of your service, it may be a three or four hour job, plus the materials. I'd call a few licensed electricians and get prices What kind of disaster? He probably won't even have to strip a wire. While I'm not a licensed electrician, I've done this a few times and they have all passed inspection. Takes a few hours. Saves a few hundred $$$ |
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He doesn't sound like someone with to much experience. My biggest concern
would be his ability to properly connect any Edison circuits in the panel. In Pushmatic panels, the buss doesn't alternate vertically like it does in new panels, so unless he understands the principal of the Edison circuit, he could inadvertently connect one wrong and have a dangerous situation. There are other not so obvious things like bonding jumpers, that he probably has no idea what to do with. I'm not debating that this isn't rocket science, but unless he's competent, he's probably better off having it done professionally "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message t... "RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message ... You may be flirting with disaster. Depending upon the size of the panel and the particulars of the rest of your service, it may be a three or four hour job, plus the materials. I'd call a few licensed electricians and get prices What kind of disaster? He probably won't even have to strip a wire. While I'm not a licensed electrician, I've done this a few times and they have all passed inspection. Takes a few hours. Saves a few hundred $$$ |
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On Mar 3, 10:29�pm, "RBM" rbm2(remove wrote:
He doesn't sound like someone with to much experience. My biggest concern would be his ability to properly connect any Edison circuits in the panel. In Pushmatic panels, the buss doesn't alternate vertically like it does in new panels, so unless he understands the principal of the Edison circuit, he could inadvertently connect one wrong and have a dangerous situation. There are other not so obvious things like bonding jumpers, that he probably has no idea what to do with. I'm not debating that this isn't rocket science, but unless he's competent, he's probably better off having it done professionally "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message t... "RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message ... You may be flirting with disaster. Depending upon the size of the panel and the particulars of the rest of your service, it may be a three or four hour job, plus the materials. I'd call a few licensed electricians and get prices What kind of disaster? He probably won't even have to strip a wire. While I'm not a licensed electrician, I've done this a few times and they have all passed inspection. *Takes a few hours. *Saves a few hundred $$$- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - main grounding mmay be lacking too. What size is the panel. If its a 60 amp might as well upgrade the service and replace the meter can etc and grounds. 100 amp service is marginal decision if upgrade to 200 amps is necessary. but with such a old panel I bet its a 60 and really should be replaced and upgraded |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 03:12:00 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote in message m... the last thing you should have to do is replace the panel just because you don't have a cover. make one of good stiff poster board, then take it to your local metal fab shop and have them make one if you can't order one. jeeeeeze.... replace the panel...... SIGH -- Steve Barker Replacing the panel will probably be cheaper than a "one off" of a panel cover with the proper knockouts. I assume the new one won't have knockouts. I have a short memory, so I don't know if the cover has to be inset or not from the level of the place where the cover screws on, to the level of the breakers, but assuming it doesn't, it would be just a sheet of metal with a number of holes for breakers and four little holes for screwing it on. If he ever wants to add breakers, he'll take off the cover and use tin snips or a sabre saw to cut a bigger hole. If the breaker level is different from the level of the place where the cover screws on, I would go back to my other post and just patch it with sheet metal. To the OP, PC-70 is a very good kind of epoxy glue, but other glues might work well also. |
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Covers for pushmatic panels would probably be the easiest to fabricate. It's
just a flat sheet of steel with one or two large vertical rectangles in it, depending upon how many breakers it holds, and one small rectangle for the main, if it has one. They didn't use knock outs, the panel came with blanks for dead spaces. "mm" wrote in message ... On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 03:12:00 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote in message om... the last thing you should have to do is replace the panel just because you don't have a cover. make one of good stiff poster board, then take it to your local metal fab shop and have them make one if you can't order one. jeeeeeze.... replace the panel...... SIGH -- Steve Barker Replacing the panel will probably be cheaper than a "one off" of a panel cover with the proper knockouts. I assume the new one won't have knockouts. I have a short memory, so I don't know if the cover has to be inset or not from the level of the place where the cover screws on, to the level of the breakers, but assuming it doesn't, it would be just a sheet of metal with a number of holes for breakers and four little holes for screwing it on. If he ever wants to add breakers, he'll take off the cover and use tin snips or a sabre saw to cut a bigger hole. If the breaker level is different from the level of the place where the cover screws on, I would go back to my other post and just patch it with sheet metal. To the OP, PC-70 is a very good kind of epoxy glue, but other glues might work well also. |
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On Mar 3, 9:33 pm, "gorehound" wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Thanks again everyone! |
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On Mar 4, 1:53�pm, wrote:
On Mar 3, 9:33 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). *One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. *The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, *because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? *I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? *BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. *Thanks so much in advance!! * ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. *I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... *http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. *I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Thanks again everyone!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - fabricate just some metal plates to cover the exposed wiring, then upgrade service later. |
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On Mar 4, 2:29 pm, Terry wrote:
On 4 Mar 2007 10:53:28 -0800, wrote: Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Cutler Hammer is still around. I don't have the slightest idea if you can get a cover, but you could email this picture to them, and they could tell you right away. If they can't get you a cover they might be able to suggest a replacement part. BTW having your panel exposed like it is will make an upgrade much easier. The installer was A. Genius. I thought that was a pretty good joke. Did you do that? Yeah, I know Cutler Hammer is still around, but their part is the cover plate that is mismatched to the box, right? I thought the "A. Genius" was a good laugh too...and no, I didn't write it in...a prior owner must've autographed it. ![]() |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:29:27 -0500, Terry
wrote: On 4 Mar 2007 10:53:28 -0800, wrote: Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Cutler Hammer is still around. I don't have the slightest idea if you can get a cover, but you could email this picture to them, and they could tell you right away. If they can't get you a cover they might be able to suggest a replacement part. BTW having your panel exposed like it is will make an upgrade much easier. The installer was A. Genius. I thought that was a pretty good joke. Did you do that? One other suggestion, they do make a pretty sturdy plastic that we have used in 600V panels. You might try to find some of that to put inside the cover until you upgrade the panel. Many of the blanks they insert in panels are plastic. |
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On Mar 4, 2:36 pm, wrote:
On Mar 4, 2:29 pm, Terry wrote: On 4 Mar 2007 10:53:28 -0800, wrote: Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Cutler Hammer is still around. I don't have the slightest idea if you can get a cover, but you could email this picture to them, and they could tell you right away. If they can't get you a cover they might be able to suggest a replacement part. BTW having your panel exposed like it is will make an upgrade much easier. The installer was A. Genius. I thought that was a pretty good joke. Did you do that? Yeah, I know Cutler Hammer is still around, but their part is the cover plate that is mismatched to the box, right? I thought the "A. Genius" was a good laugh too...and no, I didn't write it in...a prior owner must've autographed it. What I meant by "part" was some kind of factory inserts that cover the gaps. That way, you can still use the old panel cover. If the door on the panel still latches it is not as bad as it looks. Just some sturdy plastic to fill the gaps would be fine. Cutting a piece of hard plastic the size of the panel with the correct holes cut out will work. Remove the panel cover and put in the plastic. |
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![]() wrote in message ps.com... On Mar 3, 9:33 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Thanks again everyone! What I have is a pushmatic box and cover. I am still using the box for now, but not the cover (I know I should be using the cover too, but I am the only one who goes near it in the basement). I will try to post a pic with some measurements. It looks like it has the same amount of openings as what you need, if all you need are the 14. If you would be interested I can get some pictures with some measurments. Shane |
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On Mar 4, 3:25 pm, "gorehound" wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... On Mar 3, 9:33 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Thanks again everyone! What I have is a pushmatic box and cover. I am still using the box for now, but not the cover (I know I should be using the cover too, but I am the only one who goes near it in the basement). I will try to post a pic with some measurements. It looks like it has the same amount of openings as what you need, if all you need are the 14. If you would be interested I can get some pictures with some measurments. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure, I'd definately be interested in buying the cover from you! That'd be great. If that doesn't work out, I think I will try to get some hard plastic or fabrication done to fill the holes on my existing cover. Thanks again for all of your great input everyone! I'm glad I stumbled upon this great resource--I would have been stuck scratching my head for sure if I hadn't. ![]() |
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The bottom line is that if you have to appease an electrical inspector,
patching up a C-H panel cover on an ITE panel, probably won't fly, as NEC is pretty clear about equipment having to be used according to manufacturers directions. Look in the box and get the model number for Terry. He seems to have what you need. There weren't that many variations of these panels and I can't tell you how many I've trashed myself. With a model number and a picture, someone if not Terry will be able to match one up for you wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 4, 2:29 pm, Terry wrote: On 4 Mar 2007 10:53:28 -0800, wrote: Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Cutler Hammer is still around. I don't have the slightest idea if you can get a cover, but you could email this picture to them, and they could tell you right away. If they can't get you a cover they might be able to suggest a replacement part. BTW having your panel exposed like it is will make an upgrade much easier. The installer was A. Genius. I thought that was a pretty good joke. Did you do that? Yeah, I know Cutler Hammer is still around, but their part is the cover plate that is mismatched to the box, right? I thought the "A. Genius" was a good laugh too...and no, I didn't write it in...a prior owner must've autographed it. ![]() |
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My mistake, I meant Shane
"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message ... The bottom line is that if you have to appease an electrical inspector, patching up a C-H panel cover on an ITE panel, probably won't fly, as NEC is pretty clear about equipment having to be used according to manufacturers directions. Look in the box and get the model number for Terry. He seems to have what you need. There weren't that many variations of these panels and I can't tell you how many I've trashed myself. With a model number and a picture, someone if not Terry will be able to match one up for you wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 4, 2:29 pm, Terry wrote: On 4 Mar 2007 10:53:28 -0800, wrote: Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Cutler Hammer is still around. I don't have the slightest idea if you can get a cover, but you could email this picture to them, and they could tell you right away. If they can't get you a cover they might be able to suggest a replacement part. BTW having your panel exposed like it is will make an upgrade much easier. The installer was A. Genius. I thought that was a pretty good joke. Did you do that? Yeah, I know Cutler Hammer is still around, but their part is the cover plate that is mismatched to the box, right? I thought the "A. Genius" was a good laugh too...and no, I didn't write it in...a prior owner must've autographed it. ![]() |
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![]() wrote in message s.com... On Mar 4, 3:25 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message ps.com... On Mar 3, 9:33 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Thanks again everyone! What I have is a pushmatic box and cover. I am still using the box for now, but not the cover (I know I should be using the cover too, but I am the only one who goes near it in the basement). I will try to post a pic with some measurements. It looks like it has the same amount of openings as what you need, if all you need are the 14. If you would be interested I can get some pictures with some measurments. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure, I'd definately be interested in buying the cover from you! That'd be great. If that doesn't work out, I think I will try to get some hard plastic or fabrication done to fill the holes on my existing cover. Thanks again for all of your great input everyone! I'm glad I stumbled upon this great resource--I would have been stuck scratching my head for sure if I hadn't. ![]() I will try to get pictures for you tomorrow. I also saw in the pic that if you can use my cover to be totally legit you need all spaces filled, or a blank over the empty one on the bottom left. Depending on where you are, it shouldn't be much more than ten bucks to ship and I will give you a 20A breaker to fill the space too. You can email me and let me know where you are if things look like they will work. Shane |
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![]() wrote in message s.com... On Mar 4, 3:25 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message ps.com... On Mar 3, 9:33 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Thanks again everyone! What I have is a pushmatic box and cover. I am still using the box for now, but not the cover (I know I should be using the cover too, but I am the only one who goes near it in the basement). I will try to post a pic with some measurements. It looks like it has the same amount of openings as what you need, if all you need are the 14. If you would be interested I can get some pictures with some measurments. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure, I'd definately be interested in buying the cover from you! That'd be great. If that doesn't work out, I think I will try to get some hard plastic or fabrication done to fill the holes on my existing cover. Thanks again for all of your great input everyone! I'm glad I stumbled upon this great resource--I would have been stuck scratching my head for sure if I hadn't. ![]() Here are some pictures of the cover if you need more let me know, if you need pics of the box let me know. http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...anelcover3.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...anelcover2.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...anelcover1.jpg Shane |
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On Mar 4, 6:51 pm, "gorehound" wrote:
wrote in message s.com... On Mar 4, 3:25 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 3, 9:33 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Thanks again everyone! What I have is a pushmatic box and cover. I am still using the box for now, but not the cover (I know I should be using the cover too, but I am the only one who goes near it in the basement). I will try to post a pic with some measurements. It looks like it has the same amount of openings as what you need, if all you need are the 14. If you would be interested I can get some pictures with some measurments. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure, I'd definately be interested in buying the cover from you! That'd be great. If that doesn't work out, I think I will try to get some hard plastic or fabrication done to fill the holes on my existing cover. Thanks again for all of your great input everyone! I'm glad I stumbled upon this great resource--I would have been stuck scratching my head for sure if I hadn't. ![]() Here are some pictures of the cover if you need more let me know, if you need pics of the box let me know. http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...anelcover1.jpg Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Awesome, thanks for the pix and measurements! I'm at work now, but I'll measure mine when I get home and let you know if we can do some business! ![]() Thanks again! |
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On Mar 4, 6:51 pm, "gorehound" wrote:
wrote in message s.com... On Mar 4, 3:25 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 3, 9:33 pm, "gorehound" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Hello all. The past owners of the older home which I live in now had tried 'fixing' things throughout the house (most notoriously venting a bathroom exhaust directly into a sealed attic space...*sigh*). One of these problems which I am now trying to undo involves them mismatching the electrical breaker box and the panel that covers it. The box itself takes some odd-looking, older toggle (push in, push out) breakers, square in shape. The panel cover has the knockouts knocked-out for the newer, wide rectangular breakers. I was warned when I purchased the house that this would have to be fixed, because it is dangerous--there is a major gap between the actual little square breakers and the holes from the knockouts for the other type of breaker. Basically, my question is this: can I get *just* the panel for the existing breaker box? I'd rather do that if at all possible, instead of incurring the additional expense of having to replace all of the breakers to put in a totally new system. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get just the cover? BTW, I can take pix, if that would help. Thanks so much in advance!! ![]() I have an old push button box that I am replacing and I have the cover still. If you are interested take a pic and I will take a pic and if it's the same I'll mail it this week and you just have to pay shipping. I doubt it will be the match, but if it is it's yours. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Finally, here's a picture of the creature in question. I think the name of the installer, as written on the door, is not quite accurate... http://www.idcts.com/images/_newsgroup/P3040104.jpg I'd be interested for sure in getting ahold of an actual replacement cover if possible, but fabrication still sounds like a good option too. I'm wanting to address the overt safety issue now, and maybe upgrade the whole box to 200 amp service later down the road. I guess am not savvy enough to handle this task on my own, as I don't know what an Edison circuit is, or how to bond a jumper. Thanks again everyone! What I have is a pushmatic box and cover. I am still using the box for now, but not the cover (I know I should be using the cover too, but I am the only one who goes near it in the basement). I will try to post a pic with some measurements. It looks like it has the same amount of openings as what you need, if all you need are the 14. If you would be interested I can get some pictures with some measurments. Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure, I'd definately be interested in buying the cover from you! That'd be great. If that doesn't work out, I think I will try to get some hard plastic or fabrication done to fill the holes on my existing cover. Thanks again for all of your great input everyone! I'm glad I stumbled upon this great resource--I would have been stuck scratching my head for sure if I hadn't. ![]() Here are some pictures of the cover if you need more let me know, if you need pics of the box let me know. http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...anelcover1.jpg Shane- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Shane, you should have an email from me, as you appear to have exactly what I am looking for! ![]() A couple of extra questions: 1) Is it possible / advisable to sand and paint the cover, since it's a tad rusty? 2) Is it fairly straightforward to install the breaker? 3) Is it safe to remove the old cover and install this one without shutting off the main breaker? I really appreciate all of your help! You guys have really saved me a lot of pain and suffering on this! ![]() |
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