There are so many different kinds of shock on the market inlcuding
-Calcium Hypo ( the active ingredient )
-Lithium
-Non-Chlorine
-BaquaShock
and More

These are the 4 basic ones out there. If you have a vinyl liner above
ground pool or in ground pool and you are using chlorine then you are
probably using calcium or lithium shock. The difference between the two
is that calcium you have to pre-dissolve for liners and lithium you do
not. Non-Chlorine shock you probably use if you are using bromine or
some other sanitizer for your pool. And your using baquashock if you
are using baquacil as your main sanitizer.

How To shock your Pool Using Calcium Hypo
If you are using a vinyl liner pool then you must predissolve each bag
of shock in its own bucket of water. This stops the shock from laying
on your liner and bleaching it.

Note: Always Use Gloves

Take one 1lb bag of shock and pour it into a warm or cold 5 gallon
bucket of water about
3/4 full.

Note: Always add shock to water not water to shock. Wear clothes you
don't care about cause they might get bleached. Warm water dissolves
shock faster than cold, its your choice.

Use a wooden stick and stir around the shock making sure it gets all
dissolved or as much as your can. Pour the bucket of shock all around
your pool or heave some in the middle. You may have some undissolved
shock at the bottom of your bucket. In this case just dip your bucket
in some pool water give it a swish around and pour it back into the
pool to help dissolve some of that shock.

If you have a bigger pool or a problem and you need to add more bags of
shock repeat this procedure for as many bags as need. DO NOT mix all
the bags together in one bucket.

Tip: Always Shock At Dusk or Nighttime. This allows the shock to reach
breakpoint oxidation. If it were during the day the sun would burn off
1ppm of shock every hour causing it only to reach breakpoint for an
hour instead of 8-10 hours.

Note: most shocks require at least 8 hours with no one in the pool read
the label before adding shock. Also some dealers will tell you to add
shock directly to your skimmer. This is not a good idea especially if
you have chlorine or an automatic chlorinator. Reason being is because
calcium hypo and tri-chlor, which can be found in chlorine tablets,
creates a harmful chlorine gas. To get to the point, your automatic
chlorinator could explode. It's happened.

Shock should also be added every week to ensure a clean and green free
pool.

How to shock a pool with lithium or non-chlorine shock
This one is easy. Just sprinkle the bag of shock all around your pool
as many times as needed. These two kinds of shock do not require a
pre-dissolve and do not require them to be put in at night. But they
aren't as effective at killing algae and are more expensive per bag
than calcium.

How to Shock a Pool with Baquashock
Again this one is easy too. Just pool the gallon bottle into your pool.
You should do this once a month but more is required if your pool test
shows otherwise.

Your Local Pool Guy wrote:
There are so many different kinds of shock on the market inlcuding
-Calcium Hypo ( the active ingredient )
-Lithium
-Non-Chlorine
-BaquaShock
and More

Does more include 240V AC?


These are the 4 basic ones out there. If you have a vinyl liner above
ground pool or in ground pool and you are using chlorine then you are
probably using calcium or lithium shock. The difference between the
two is that calcium you have to pre-dissolve for liners and lithium
you do not. Non-Chlorine shock you probably use if you are using
bromine or some other sanitizer for your pool. And your using
baquashock if you are using baquacil as your main sanitizer.

How To shock your Pool Using Calcium Hypo
If you are using a vinyl liner pool then you must predissolve each bag
of shock in its own bucket of water. This stops the shock from laying
on your liner and bleaching it.

Note: Always Use Gloves

Take one 1lb bag of shock and pour it into a warm or cold 5 gallon
bucket of water about
3/4 full.

Note: Always add shock to water not water to shock. Wear clothes you
don't care about cause they might get bleached. Warm water dissolves
shock faster than cold, its your choice.

Use a wooden stick and stir around the shock making sure it gets all
dissolved or as much as your can. Pour the bucket of shock all around
your pool or heave some in the middle. You may have some undissolved
shock at the bottom of your bucket. In this case just dip your bucket
in some pool water give it a swish around and pour it back into the
pool to help dissolve some of that shock.

If you have a bigger pool or a problem and you need to add more bags
of shock repeat this procedure for as many bags as need. DO NOT mix
all the bags together in one bucket.

Tip: Always Shock At Dusk or Nighttime. This allows the shock to reach
breakpoint oxidation. If it were during the day the sun would burn off
1ppm of shock every hour causing it only to reach breakpoint for an
hour instead of 8-10 hours.

Note: most shocks require at least 8 hours with no one in the pool
read the label before adding shock. Also some dealers will tell you
to add shock directly to your skimmer. This is not a good idea
especially if you have chlorine or an automatic chlorinator. Reason
being is because calcium hypo and tri-chlor, which can be found in
chlorine tablets, creates a harmful chlorine gas. To get to the
point, your automatic chlorinator could explode. It's happened.

Shock should also be added every week to ensure a clean and green free
pool.

How to shock a pool with lithium or non-chlorine shock
This one is easy. Just sprinkle the bag of shock all around your pool
as many times as needed. These two kinds of shock do not require a
pre-dissolve and do not require them to be put in at night. But they
aren't as effective at killing algae and are more expensive per bag
than calcium.

How to Shock a Pool with Baquashock
Again this one is easy too. Just pool the gallon bottle into your
pool. You should do this once a month but more is required if your
pool test shows otherwise.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

It took me a second but I got it. Funny!

Your Local Pool Guy wrote:
There are so many different kinds of shock on the market inlcuding
-Calcium Hypo ( the active ingredient )
-Lithium
-Non-Chlorine
-BaquaShock
and More

Joseph Meehan wrote:
Does more include 240V AC?

More WRONG information as usual.

--
Steve Barker


"Your Local Pool Guy" wrote in message
oups.com...
There are so many different kinds of shock on the market inlcuding
-Calcium Hypo ( the active ingredient )
-Lithium
-Non-Chlorine
-BaquaShock
and More

These are the 4 basic ones out there. If you have a vinyl liner above
ground pool or in ground pool and you are using chlorine then you are
probably using calcium or lithium shock. The difference between the two
is that calcium you have to pre-dissolve for liners and lithium you do
not. Non-Chlorine shock you probably use if you are using bromine or
some other sanitizer for your pool. And your using baquashock if you
are using baquacil as your main sanitizer.

How To shock your Pool Using Calcium Hypo
If you are using a vinyl liner pool then you must predissolve each bag
of shock in its own bucket of water. This stops the shock from laying
on your liner and bleaching it.

Note: Always Use Gloves

Take one 1lb bag of shock and pour it into a warm or cold 5 gallon
bucket of water about
3/4 full.

Note: Always add shock to water not water to shock. Wear clothes you
don't care about cause they might get bleached. Warm water dissolves
shock faster than cold, its your choice.

Use a wooden stick and stir around the shock making sure it gets all
dissolved or as much as your can. Pour the bucket of shock all around
your pool or heave some in the middle. You may have some undissolved
shock at the bottom of your bucket. In this case just dip your bucket
in some pool water give it a swish around and pour it back into the
pool to help dissolve some of that shock.

If you have a bigger pool or a problem and you need to add more bags of
shock repeat this procedure for as many bags as need. DO NOT mix all
the bags together in one bucket.

Tip: Always Shock At Dusk or Nighttime. This allows the shock to reach
breakpoint oxidation. If it were during the day the sun would burn off
1ppm of shock every hour causing it only to reach breakpoint for an
hour instead of 8-10 hours.

Note: most shocks require at least 8 hours with no one in the pool read
the label before adding shock. Also some dealers will tell you to add
shock directly to your skimmer. This is not a good idea especially if
you have chlorine or an automatic chlorinator. Reason being is because
calcium hypo and tri-chlor, which can be found in chlorine tablets,
creates a harmful chlorine gas. To get to the point, your automatic
chlorinator could explode. It's happened.

Shock should also be added every week to ensure a clean and green free
pool.

How to shock a pool with lithium or non-chlorine shock
This one is easy. Just sprinkle the bag of shock all around your pool
as many times as needed. These two kinds of shock do not require a
pre-dissolve and do not require them to be put in at night. But they
aren't as effective at killing algae and are more expensive per bag
than calcium.

How to Shock a Pool with Baquashock
Again this one is easy too. Just pool the gallon bottle into your pool.
You should do this once a month but more is required if your pool test
shows otherwise.

All Steve Barker can do is criticize. That's his contribution to the
group. He's good at it to. I say we make him a moderator. Can he handle
it? Please Reply

"Your Local Pool Guy" writes:

All Steve Barker can do is criticize. That's his contribution to the
group. He's good at it to. I say we make him a moderator. Can he handle
it? Please Reply

Ah the beauty of Usenet.
No control over the speaker OR the audience.

I've been adding the calcium shock to an above ground
pool by just spreading it around the pool. It doesn't
seem to be hurting the liner.

I think I've seen the recommendation to add the shock in
the evening a couple of times. I'm hesitant to do that
since my pump is on a timer. I don't want to add the
stuff and just have it lie on the bottom all night.

This seems useless, it's always the same guys commenting on my post.
Like they have nothing better to do during the morning hours. Anyway...

You are suppose to shock your pool every week or every other week,
would it hurt to take the timer off that night you shock it. No, I'm
sure it wouldn't and guys, these are recommendations. I have been
advising people about their pools for over 12 years, of course some
people disagree with what I say, its the nature of the business. But
it's the same guys. The Same Guys.

Let me post my messages so that people who would like to use it are not
subject to your useless comments. Please comment on something you know
about. And not just from your own pools in your own backyards. I've
been doing this a long time and have dealt with tons of people like
yourselves. Get over it.

Hot tub water question here-
My TA is fine, I have a ozonator as well as one of those silver water
treatments. My chlorine level is usually fine, even though my hot tub
place says not to worry so much about that since I am using the other
two sanitizers. But I'm baffled because the pH is consistently low and
even after adding "pH increaser" repeatedly, it barely comes up to a
decent level. Daily use. Advice appreciated

Ok I'll give you a rundown
Your ozonator is a tube that has a ultraviolet light in it. Once water
passes through it, it kills bateria. Once it's out of the tube its back

again. So ozonators work but not very well

Silver sanitizers are great. they dispense silve particles in your
water.
Most bottled water companies use the same type of sanitation method.
Infact
ships in history use tubs with silver coins in them to kill baterica.
It's
proven to sanitize but not completely
Lets say, God Forbid, You get ecoli in the water. yes the silver
sanitizer
will kill it but not instantly. That's why it is recommended to use
some
chlorine, to instantly kill bacteria like that or other harmful strands
of
bacteria. So you should worry about your chlorine level. and it should
be at
0.5pmm or higher. Which is low, but it is a backup sanitizer.

TA is a pH buffer and you say its fine. What TA is suppose to do is
balance
the level of pH to keep it from moving all around. Now if you use a
type of
shock, most shocks have a very low pH and in a small body of water can
bring
it down dramatically. You should also be aware of the difference
between the
two types of chlorine readings. Total and Free. The free is the active
chlorine and the total is the used chlorine. In most cases the total is

higher than the free but they should be the same number. if total is
higher
its a sign that it needs to be shocked with a non-chlorine shock. What
that
does is gases off that used chlorine. having those numbers too high or
different from each other can cause your pH to drop. but in most cases
will
cause both your pH and TA to drop.

My suggestion is tricky but may do the job. Lower both your ph and TA
by
just adding pH decrease. Then once your TA has dropped add TA
increaser.
This should raise both levels. Once they are both stable you shouldn't
have
to worry about adding pH increase.
pH increase in a spa is very rare to use since like I said TA Brings up
both
pH and TA and pH decrease brings down both TA and pH.

I know this can be confusing but try dropping both and raising it back
up.
Here is where your levels should be
Total Chlorine: 0.5 - 1 ppm
Free Chlorine: 0.5 - 1 ppm
pH: 7.4 to 7.6 ppm
TA: 100 to 150 ppm

They are the only things you should worry about. There is also a
chemical
called calcium hardness that can be increased but since you are
supposed to
drain your spa every 4 months its not that important.

That reminds me, of course, you could also drain your spa if it has
been 4
months and start over, that usually solves most chemical problems.

Your Local Pool Guy wrote:
There are so many different kinds of shock on the market inlcuding
-Calcium Hypo ( the active ingredient )
-Lithium
-Non-Chlorine
-BaquaShock
and More

These are the 4 basic ones out there. If you have a vinyl liner above
ground pool or in ground pool and you are using chlorine then you are
probably using calcium or lithium shock. The difference between the
two is that calcium you have to pre-dissolve for liners and lithium
you do not. Non-Chlorine shock you probably use if you are using
bromine or some other sanitizer for your pool. And your using
baquashock if you are using baquacil as your main sanitizer.

How To shock your Pool Using Calcium Hypo
If you are using a vinyl liner pool then you must predissolve each bag
of shock in its own bucket of water. This stops the shock from laying
on your liner and bleaching it.

Note: Always Use Gloves

Take one 1lb bag of shock and pour it into a warm or cold 5 gallon
bucket of water about
3/4 full.

Note: Always add shock to water not water to shock. Wear clothes you
don't care about cause they might get bleached. Warm water dissolves
shock faster than cold, its your choice.

Use a wooden stick and stir around the shock making sure it gets all
dissolved or as much as your can. Pour the bucket of shock all around
your pool or heave some in the middle. You may have some undissolved
shock at the bottom of your bucket. In this case just dip your bucket
in some pool water give it a swish around and pour it back into the
pool to help dissolve some of that shock.

If you have a bigger pool or a problem and you need to add more bags
of shock repeat this procedure for as many bags as need. DO NOT mix
all the bags together in one bucket.

Tip: Always Shock At Dusk or Nighttime. This allows the shock to reach
breakpoint oxidation. If it were during the day the sun would burn off
1ppm of shock every hour causing it only to reach breakpoint for an
hour instead of 8-10 hours.

Note: most shocks require at least 8 hours with no one in the pool
read the label before adding shock. Also some dealers will tell you
to add shock directly to your skimmer. This is not a good idea
especially if you have chlorine or an automatic chlorinator. Reason
being is because calcium hypo and tri-chlor, which can be found in
chlorine tablets, creates a harmful chlorine gas. To get to the
point, your automatic chlorinator could explode. It's happened.

Shock should also be added every week to ensure a clean and green free
pool.

How to shock a pool with lithium or non-chlorine shock
This one is easy. Just sprinkle the bag of shock all around your pool
as many times as needed. These two kinds of shock do not require a
pre-dissolve and do not require them to be put in at night. But they
aren't as effective at killing algae and are more expensive per bag
than calcium.

How to Shock a Pool with Baquashock
Again this one is easy too. Just pool the gallon bottle into your
pool. You should do this once a month but more is required if your
pool test shows otherwise.

Is there a point to all that? Or just someone wanting to get published?

Published in what Pop?

Your Local Pool Guy wrote:

There are so many different kinds of shock on the market inlcuding
-Calcium Hypo ( the active ingredient )
-Lithium
-Non-Chlorine
-BaquaShock
and More

.... actually "shocking a pool" is more of a verb than a product. You do
not need to buy "shock". "Shocking" a pool involves raising the free
chlorine level to about 10 times (7.6 actually) the combined chlorine
level.


These are the 4 basic ones out there. If you have a vinyl liner above
ground pool or in ground pool and you are using chlorine then you are
probably using calcium or lithium shock.

Use whatever unstabilized chlorine form you have handy, just put more.
Don't go out and buy "pool shock".


Tip: Always Shock At Dusk or Nighttime. This allows the shock to reach
breakpoint oxidation. If it were during the day the sun would burn off
1ppm of shock every hour causing it only to reach breakpoint for an
hour instead of 8-10 hours.

Breakpoint chlorination occurs instantly. This thing about burning off
1 ppm of "shock" every hour depends on the level of CYA present.


Shock should also be added every week to ensure a clean and green free
pool.

Shocking a pool is like rebooting a computer. Usually not needed but it
doesn't hurt.

Remember Goomba38, I had mentioned in an email and a post that you
should stick with only one pool company. This gentlemen with the post
above me isn't wrong, it's just his way of taking care of a pool.
Everybody in all different parts of the nation give different advice
when in comes to pool chemistry. There are so many different types of
chemicals out there. Where I live they sell shock, that is what it is
called. There are no stores in my surrounding area that sell any type
of unstabilized chlorine in large amounts. Every type of granular
chlorine in my area of NJ is stabilized, its Tri-Chlor. So Shock is
what they call it. The biggest manufacturer of swimming pools chemicals
in the nation, Bioguard, calls their shock BURNOUT. It is simply a
calcium hypo cut different to help dissolve faster in pools deeper than
4 foot.

Reguardless if shocking is a term or not, the true word for it is
oxidation.

PS. Breakpoint oxidation occurs when chlorine reaches 10ppm over the
normal reading of 3ppm. That equals 13ppm. And yes cya helps during the
day. But just do it a night and save yourself the trouble, people are
not usually in the pool at 9pm on a sunday night. It's an ideal time to
shock it.

Your Local Pool Guy wrote:

Everybody in all different parts of the nation give different advice
when in comes to pool chemistry. There are so many different types of
chemicals out there.

Yes, but you only need about five "products" for proper water balance,
the rest is marketing. And there's only one chemistry.


Where I live they sell shock, that is what it is
called. There are no stores in my surrounding area that sell any type
of unstabilized chlorine in large amounts.

Really? You can't get a bucket of cal hypo at your local Walmart or a
few gallons of bleach at your grocery store?


Every type of granular
chlorine in my area of NJ is stabilized, its Tri-Chlor. So Shock is
what they call it. The biggest manufacturer of swimming pools chemicals
in the nation, Bioguard, calls their shock BURNOUT. It is simply a
calcium hypo cut different to help dissolve faster in pools deeper than
4 foot.

Sorry, granulated stabilized chlorine is dichlor, trichlor are the
pucks. And beware Biogard, the worst crap out there, their Burnout 35
is actually lithium at 29%, their Burnout WP is 67% cal hypo (along
with calcium carbonate and hydroxide) and their Burnout Extreme is
really quite extreme at 47% cal hypo. If dissolution is your biggest
worry then use bleach from your laundry room.

And besides, you told us earlier to dissolve the thing in a bucket of
water.


Reguardless if shocking is a term or not, the true word for it is
oxidation.

Well, ummm, no. Oxidation and chlorination, breakpoint or otherwise,
are different things.


PS. Breakpoint oxidation occurs when chlorine reaches 10ppm over the
normal reading of 3ppm. That equals 13ppm.

Ummm no. The actual number is 7.6, 7.6 times _combined chlorine_, the
7.6 refers to the chlorine to ammonia-nitrogen molar ratio of 3:2, do
the math, and google breakpoint chlorination curve to see what the
breakpoint bump looks like.

not usually in the pool at 9pm on a sunday night. It's an ideal time to
shock it.

Agreed.