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"Mark" wrote in message oups.com... Well that's my concern. There are more and more of these kinds of units being installed everyday. We can't "home brew" a fix for all of them. Someone needs to get to the FCC or to the manufacterer to fix this at the source before it gets worse. Maybe "turn them in" to the FCC for a _finders fee_? :O) -zero |
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AKS wrote:
SNIPPED Gentlemen Hi and there is nothing that could be done to force OEMs for clean up this interference (RFI?) That is nice but you and I if interfere with some one TV in Neighborhood FCC would be all over our ass thanks for equal justice KA2AYS Not quite true! I run 1KW on low bands [75 and 20 meters]. I have a tuner and low pass filters in line. My station is properly grounded to the service panel ground/earth rod. This connection is also the equipotential surface for the operating position. My station meets ALL FCC requirements. If a neighbor's tv, phone, stereo, or whatever, picks up my transmissions the problem is with their equipment and I am NOT responsible for correcting the situation. I will advise them regarding what needs to be done at their end and at their expense. The best demonstration is to invite them into my station and have them witness my tv, phone, stereo etc., being interference free. The best demonstration is an RFI free home station. We, hams, are not responsible for deficiencies in consumer electronics. That rests with the manufacturer. The next time you buy a stereo read the Part 15 compliance statement! Most likely it states, I paraphrase, this equipment MAY receive interfering signals from near by transmitters. Buyer Beware! /s/ DD |
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Dave wrote:
AKS wrote: SNIPPED Gentlemen Hi and there is nothing that could be done to force OEMs for clean up this interference (RFI?) That is nice but you and I if interfere with some one TV in Neighborhood FCC would be all over our ass thanks for equal justice KA2AYS Not quite true! I run 1KW on low bands [75 and 20 meters]. I have a tuner and low pass filters in line. My station is properly grounded to the service panel ground/earth rod. This connection is also the equipotential surface for the operating position. My station meets ALL FCC requirements. If a neighbor's tv, phone, stereo, or whatever, picks up my transmissions the problem is with their equipment and I am NOT responsible for correcting the situation. I will advise them regarding what needs to be done at their end and at their expense. The best demonstration is to invite them into my station and have them witness my tv, phone, stereo etc., being interference free. The best demonstration is an RFI free home station. We, hams, are not responsible for deficiencies in consumer electronics. That rests with the manufacturer. The next time you buy a stereo read the Part 15 compliance statement! Most likely it states, I paraphrase, this equipment MAY receive interfering signals from near by transmitters. Buyer Beware! /s/ DD It should also state that the device may not emit any interfering signals. Dave WD9BDZ |
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Mo Hoaner wrote:
"clifto" wrote... Anything that generates RF inside the USA is regulated by the FCC. If your cat's butt emits RF in the USA it's regulated by the FCC. Wrong. If the cat's butt emits RF, it's regulated by the FCC. But, digital equipment used only in transportation vehicles - busses, cars, aircraft - and equipment used in appliances - HVAC equipment mentioned specifically - are exempt from Radio Frequency Device regulations. The rule says "....are exempt from the specific technical standards and other requirements contained in this part. The operator of the exempted device shall be required to stop operating the device upon a finding by the Commission or its representative that the device is causing harmful interference". Interesting. I've never heard that before. Thanks for the correction. Not that that doesn't suck... -- "A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle." -- George William Curtis |
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Got a call from a Trane rep who contacted my local distributor and
scheduled to install a shielded cable harness between the PWM control board and the motor. The work is scheduled for Tuesday. The Trane rep claims that they are aware of the problem and that the shielded cable eliminates the noise. Figure I'll give it a shot and take it from there. By the way, MLD reported earlier that he had that done with limited success. Hope they have improved the fix. Ransley wrote: If you file in small claims for the nominal fee, [mine is 35$] Do you really think Trane will fly in an atty for a day at considerable cost and possibly loose 3000 and make local new hurting sales, or get your furnace fixed. I think they will fix it within 30 days. If they see your attemps to alter it you are screwed. Start by a certified letter and many emails to Trane and print copies. Video your interference issues-tests. Maybe different organizations like FTC, FCC, CPSC, Consumer Reports, etc can guide you on other complaints. This issue is not new. RF I would think is regulated. Excessive amounts have to be of concern of saftey for medical, security, and other equipment. Even if Trane has figured a legal Out with the FCC, your local judge wont like it not will Trane want to pay to go to court . |
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Modelman:
Please keep me informed on this problem. I also recently had a Trane xv90 installed and am having the same rf interference problem. The local installer hasn't got a clue, so I phoned Trane, who is supposedly going to contact and advise them zibs modelman wrote: Got a call from a Trane rep who contacted my local distributor and scheduled to install a shielded cable harness between the PWM control board and the motor. The work is scheduled for Tuesday. The Trane rep claims that they are aware of the problem and that the shielded cable eliminates the noise. Figure I'll give it a shot and take it from there. By the way, MLD reported earlier that he had that done with limited success. Hope they have improved the fix. |
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Modelman:
Please keep me informed on this problem. I also recently had a Trane xv90 installed and am having the same rf interference problem. The local installer hasn't got a clue, so I phoned Trane, who is supposedly going to contact and advise them zibs modelman wrote: Got a call from a Trane rep who contacted my local distributor and scheduled to install a shielded cable harness between the PWM control board and the motor. The work is scheduled for Tuesday. The Trane rep claims that they are aware of the problem and that the shielded cable eliminates the noise. Figure I'll give it a shot and take it from there. By the way, MLD reported earlier that he had that done with limited success. Hope they have improved the fix. |
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"David G. Nagel" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Snipped... It should also state that the device may not emit any interfering signals. Actually, most of the stuff being talked about here is exempted by the FCC from testing. Basically, any digital stuff in appliances, and vehicles is exempt from showing compliance. That doesn't mean it's allowed to cause harmful interference, but the exact definition of "harmful" is a grey area. Dave WD9BDZ |
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Mo Hoaner wrote:
"David G. Nagel" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Snipped... It should also state that the device may not emit any interfering signals. Actually, most of the stuff being talked about here is exempted by the FCC from testing. Basically, any digital stuff in appliances, and vehicles is exempt from showing compliance. That doesn't mean it's allowed to cause harmful interference, but the exact definition of "harmful" is a grey area. Dave WD9BDZ Exempt from FCC compliance testing but not from Part 15 compliance. Intentional and Unintentional radiators must comply with Part 15. There is still a permissible level of signal emitted under this Part i.e. Unlicensed two way radios. Dave WD9BDZ |
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modelman wrote:
Got a call from a Trane rep who contacted my local distributor and scheduled to install a shielded cable harness between the PWM control board and the motor. The work is scheduled for Tuesday. The Trane rep claims that they are aware of the problem and that the shielded cable eliminates the noise. Figure I'll give it a shot and take it from there. By the way, MLD reported earlier that he had that done with limited success. Hope they have improved the fix. Modelman, I have an American Standard two stage variable speed furnace and have the exact same problem. American Standard owns Trane and furnaces by either brand name are exactly the same, with the exception of the first letter of the model number and the label on the door. In other words, the Trane XV is the same as the American Standard Comfort-R. I'm guessing that your furnace model number begins with TUY. I tried to have the dealer resolve the problem without success. I had consulted with the regional distributor who claimed that there was a main board replacement fix. The dealer replaced the board under warranty. There was no change. For other reasons, the furnace was replaced. The new furnace, built a year later, has the exact same problem. My noise sounds the same as you, starts when the inducer motor starts (before the blower fan comes on) and shuts off when the inducer fan shuts off (as soon as the thermostat stops calling for heat.) When the inducer fan increases in speed, the interference changes in pitch and may get louder. The interference is enough that I can pick it up outside the house while listening to a strong nearby Class A radio station. I recently saw a post on www.hvac-talk.com that mentioned that Trane/American Standard now has a fix that involves shielding the inducer fan wiring. This may be the same thing that MLD reported and you mention above. Please report back what you experience, I plan to call for service too very soon, while I'm still under warranty. While American Standard brand and Trane brand are the same, they have different wholesale distributor networks, so if one fails to help, perhaps asking the American Standard distributor for your region could at least have a clue, not sure. One thing that I am sure about is that calling the manufacturer is frustrating. At best, you just get redirected to call your local distributor. When I was having problems with my dealer, the manufacturer rep admitted that anyone who is locally licensed can be an American Standard HVAC dealer, they really don't care. I believe they might more tightly control the Trane brand dealers, but who knows. You can try calling the manufacturer anyway at 888-556-0125. I would do this just to register your radio interference issue, in addition to complaining to FCC. Hopefully if enough of us do this, the problem will someday be resolved. |
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Mark wrote:
Hi, Then, shielding, choking, bypassing with caps come to mind. It's all by trial and error. O'scope may come in handy. Well that's my concern. There are more and more of these kinds of units being installed everyday. We can't "home brew" a fix for all of them. Someone needs to get to the FCC or to the manufacterer to fix this at the source before it gets worse. Mark Yup, EMI pollution! |
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Motors with brushes are "incidental radiators" according to the FCC. I
believe PWM or variable frequency drive motors would be considered "unintentional radiators" in that they intentionally generate a radio frequency (9 kHz to 3,000,000MHz) but do not intend to radiate it. (see definitions at http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2007/15/3/). Incidental radiators must use good engineering practice to minimize interference (see http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2007/15/13/). Digital devices (I think motor control systems qualify as digital devices) in appliances are exempt from the emission limits for unintentional radiators (see http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2007/15/103/), though the user must cease operation if the FCC finds it is causing interference. |
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"Noon-Air" wrote in message . .. "Dave" wrote in message . .. Noon-Air wrote: SNIPPED As Jake said.... with the addition of.... Make sure that you have proper earth grounds for your power, and the HAM rigs/shack. That will go a long way towards eliminating RFI. Make sure that all the bonding screws in the furnace are clean and tight, make sure that the furnace has a proper ground also. When I put the shack together, I drove a seperate 8ft copper ground rod, and silver brazed #6 solid copper to it, then silver brazed the wire to the copper ground buss on the back of the bench. All equipment grounded.....no problem. de n6ojn As you describe your setup it does meet USA National Electrical Code. Your home should have ONLY one earth connection, not two! Actually as I live in a lightening prone area, my home has several earth grounds as do most of the other buildings in the area. As you describe it, your house presumably has the electrical service panel grounded to an 8 feet long ground rod where the service enters the house. The main service panel has 2 ground rods tied to the same buss, The TV cable entrance has a seperate earth ground, as does the telephone entrance, and the sub panel in the garage. You seem to have added a second 8 feet ground rod to your home specifically for the Ham station. Yes and that one too. Check with a local electrician for specific compliance issues. done did... the sparky is the one that put the extra rods in for the service entrance and the garage sub panel, and the city inspector signed off on it. /s/ DD You bonded all the grounds, eh? |
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Trane furnace radio/TV interference
"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message news:UKS5h.278091$1i1.256793@attbi_s72... "Noon-Air" wrote in message . .. "Dave" wrote in message . .. Noon-Air wrote: SNIPPED As Jake said.... with the addition of.... Make sure that you have proper earth grounds for your power, and the HAM rigs/shack. That will go a long way towards eliminating RFI. Make sure that all the bonding screws in the furnace are clean and tight, make sure that the furnace has a proper ground also. When I put the shack together, I drove a seperate 8ft copper ground rod, and silver brazed #6 solid copper to it, then silver brazed the wire to the copper ground buss on the back of the bench. All equipment grounded.....no problem. de n6ojn As you describe your setup it does meet USA National Electrical Code. Your home should have ONLY one earth connection, not two! Actually as I live in a lightening prone area, my home has several earth grounds as do most of the other buildings in the area. As you describe it, your house presumably has the electrical service panel grounded to an 8 feet long ground rod where the service enters the house. The main service panel has 2 ground rods tied to the same buss, The TV cable entrance has a seperate earth ground, as does the telephone entrance, and the sub panel in the garage. You seem to have added a second 8 feet ground rod to your home specifically for the Ham station. Yes and that one too. Check with a local electrician for specific compliance issues. done did... the sparky is the one that put the extra rods in for the service entrance and the garage sub panel, and the city inspector signed off on it. /s/ DD You bonded all the grounds, eh? no, the RF grounds are not bonded to the power grounds. |
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Radio Shack sells Feriite-magnetic chokes, for maybe 3$. They are the
round things you often see on your computer cables and power supplies. They absorb stray RF. They just snap together around a wire. Get a few and try it, its cheap and worth a try. Sheilding can be tried but I believe need to be grounded somehow. I dought a fix may be complete, for this issue file in small claims now, it will be cooling season before you are heard. Filing will wake everyone up to give it effort this month. |
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I'm pleased to report that installation of the shielded cable between
the draft inducer motor and the control board reduced the radio interference to an acceptable level. Measurements indicate that the amplitude of the noise is reduced by approximately 20dB. The noise can now only be heard when my walkman is within 2 feet of the furnace. Interference on 14MHz is reduced below my ambient noise level from natural sources. For all interested, the "shielded cable kit" is part number KIT09682. It is specifically designed for the following furnace models: UY-W4, DY-W4, UX-R-W3, and DX-R-W3. Note that the shielded cable has a ground lead on each end. For effective noise suppression it is essential that each ground lead be connected to the points specified by the instructions. modelman wrote: Several months ago I had a high efficiency Trane XV90 natural gas furnace and heat pump installed. Since the weather has recently been cold enough for the gas furnace to provide heat, I have been experiencing severe radio interference. The interference wipes out AM broadcast reception throughout my house. I also see snow on a TV connected to an external antenna. The radio noise occurs as soon as the draft inducer motor starts up; the pitch of the interference is related to the motor speed. The draft inducer motor is a dc motor driven by a PWM controller on the main circuit board. It is well known that PWM systems generate strong harmonics throughout the radio spectrum, resulting in radio interference. However, properly designed PWM systems include filtering and shielding to suppress the radio frequency currents from the wiring. I contacted my installer, who is totally unfamiliar with the problem. The electrician who was sent to my house to investigate the problem also doesn't understand what's going on. I had to explain the difference between an RF ground and dc or house ground to him. Although everything appears to be well grounded from a dc perspective, I suspect that portions of the system are radiating RF energy. Several days ago I emailed Trane about the problem, but haven't received any response. Although there has been past discussion in this group about radio/TV interference emanating from Trane high efficiency gas furnaces, I haven't seen any definitive fix. Does anyone know if Trane has a fix for this problem. Do they have a shielded cable and or rf filter kit to suppress this noise? Since my system is under warranty, I won't attempt any modiifcations to the system. Has anyone experienced this problem? Thanks. |
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Excellent----It appears that Trane improved on the shielded cable design--at
least, from your description, it certainly is different than what they gave me. No ground leads and the shielded part of the cable was free floating, that is, connected to nothing with about 6 in. of unshielded wiring between the end of the shield and the connector. Thanks for the feedback, I'm sure that it will be of help to others. MLD "modelman" wrote in message ups.com... I'm pleased to report that installation of the shielded cable between the draft inducer motor and the control board reduced the radio interference to an acceptable level. Measurements indicate that the amplitude of the noise is reduced by approximately 20dB. The noise can now only be heard when my walkman is within 2 feet of the furnace. Interference on 14MHz is reduced below my ambient noise level from natural sources. For all interested, the "shielded cable kit" is part number KIT09682. It is specifically designed for the following furnace models: UY-W4, DY-W4, UX-R-W3, and DX-R-W3. Note that the shielded cable has a ground lead on each end. For effective noise suppression it is essential that each ground lead be connected to the points specified by the instructions. modelman wrote: Several months ago I had a high efficiency Trane XV90 natural gas furnace and heat pump installed. Since the weather has recently been cold enough for the gas furnace to provide heat, I have been experiencing severe radio interference. The interference wipes out AM broadcast reception throughout my house. I also see snow on a TV connected to an external antenna. The radio noise occurs as soon as the draft inducer motor starts up; the pitch of the interference is related to the motor speed. The draft inducer motor is a dc motor driven by a PWM controller on the main circuit board. It is well known that PWM systems generate strong harmonics throughout the radio spectrum, resulting in radio interference. However, properly designed PWM systems include filtering and shielding to suppress the radio frequency currents from the wiring. I contacted my installer, who is totally unfamiliar with the problem. The electrician who was sent to my house to investigate the problem also doesn't understand what's going on. I had to explain the difference between an RF ground and dc or house ground to him. Although everything appears to be well grounded from a dc perspective, I suspect that portions of the system are radiating RF energy. Several days ago I emailed Trane about the problem, but haven't received any response. Although there has been past discussion in this group about radio/TV interference emanating from Trane high efficiency gas furnaces, I haven't seen any definitive fix. Does anyone know if Trane has a fix for this problem. Do they have a shielded cable and or rf filter kit to suppress this noise? Since my system is under warranty, I won't attempt any modiifcations to the system. Has anyone experienced this problem? Thanks. |
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Trane furnace radio/TV interference sunds liek sc to me
Dave wrote: AKS wrote: SNIPPED Gentlemen Hi and there is nothing that could be done to force OEMs for clean up this interference (RFI?) That is nice but you and I if interfere with some one TV in Neighborhood FCC would be all over our ass thanks for equal justice KA2AYS Not quite true! I run 1KW on low bands [75 and 20 meters]. I have a tuner and low pass filters in line. My station is properly grounded to the service panel ground/earth rod. This connection is also the equipotential surface for the operating position. My station meets ALL FCC requirements. If a neighbor's tv, phone, stereo, or whatever, picks up my transmissions the problem is with their equipment and I am NOT responsible for correcting the situation. I will advise them regarding what needs to be done at their end and at their expense. The best demonstration is to invite them into my station and have them witness my tv, phone, stereo etc., being interference free. The best demonstration is an RFI free home station. We, hams, are not responsible for deficiencies in consumer electronics. That rests with the manufacturer. The next time you buy a stereo read the Part 15 compliance statement! Most likely it states, I paraphrase, this equipment MAY receive interfering signals from near by transmitters. Buyer Beware! /s/ DD daev you need sum quiot time on you mothrerfukcer! fi you were ym naibor i wood kike your ass mothrerfukcer but yuo are two ignoriant to even railize it gte hlep |
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id theft isa crime
an_old_friend wrote: Dave wrote: AKS wrote: SNIPPED Gentlemen Hi and there is nothing that could be done to force OEMs for clean up this interference (RFI?) That is nice but you and I if interfere with some one TV in Neighborhood FCC would be all over our ass thanks for equal justice KA2AYS Not quite true! I run 1KW on low bands [75 and 20 meters]. I have a tuner and low pass filters in line. My station is properly grounded to the service panel ground/earth rod. This connection is also the equipotential surface for the operating position. My station meets ALL FCC requirements. If a neighbor's tv, phone, stereo, or whatever, picks up my transmissions the problem is with their equipment and I am NOT responsible for correcting the situation. I will advise them regarding what needs to be done at their end and at their expense. The best demonstration is to invite them into my station and have them witness my tv, phone, stereo etc., being interference free. The best demonstration is an RFI free home station. We, hams, are not responsible for deficiencies in consumer electronics. That rests with the manufacturer. The next time you buy a stereo read the Part 15 compliance statement! Most likely it states, I paraphrase, this equipment MAY receive interfering signals from near by transmitters. Buyer Beware! /s/ DD daev you need sum quiot time on you mothrerfukcer! fi you were ym naibor i wood kike your ass mothrerfukcer but yuo are two ignoriant to even railize it gte hlep id theft isa crime |
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Glad to hear that it helped your interference problem. I'm in the
process of getting my local dealer to acquire and install the shielded cable kit. modelman wrote: I'm pleased to report that installation of the shielded cable between the draft inducer motor and the control board reduced the radio interference to an acceptable level. Measurements indicate that the amplitude of the noise is reduced by approximately 20dB. The noise can now only be heard when my walkman is within 2 feet of the furnace. Interference on 14MHz is reduced below my ambient noise level from natural sources. For all interested, the "shielded cable kit" is part number KIT09682. It is specifically designed for the following furnace models: UY-W4, DY-W4, UX-R-W3, and DX-R-W3. Note that the shielded cable has a ground lead on each end. For effective noise suppression it is essential that each ground lead be connected to the points specified by the instructions. |
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id theft isa crime
On 14 Nov 2006 13:41:22 -0800, "an_old_friend"
wrote: an_old_friend wrote: lying again forger http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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id theft is still acrime
On 14 Nov 2006 13:38:27 -0800, "an_old_friend"
wrote: id theft is still acrime http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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modelman wrote:
I'm pleased to report that installation of the shielded cable between the draft inducer motor and the control board reduced the radio interference to an acceptable level. Measurements indicate that the amplitude of the noise is reduced by approximately 20dB. The noise can now only be heard when my walkman is within 2 feet of the furnace. Interference on 14MHz is reduced below my ambient noise level from natural sources. For all interested, the "shielded cable kit" is part number KIT09682. It is specifically designed for the following furnace models: UY-W4, DY-W4, UX-R-W3, and DX-R-W3. Note that the shielded cable has a ground lead on each end. For effective noise suppression it is essential that each ground lead be connected to the points specified by the instructions. modelman, Thanks so much for following up. I am curious about the furnace models you wrote above because they only have 4-5 characters. My furnace model number is AUY060R9V3W5 and other AUY/TUY model numbers are similar. Does the W4 in UY-W4 refer to the last two characters of the model number? I believe the last digit is a revision number but am not sure. I have the same exact symptoms so I am curious if that kit would also apply to me. I've queried the factory, but no response thus far. Thanks! |
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I just had this shielded cable kit installed on my Trane XV90.
Unfortunately, it did not improve the RF interference problem and actually might have made it worse. On 14 MHz my S-meter jumps from 0-1 to S9 when the inducer blower turns on. modelman wrote: I'm pleased to report that installation of the shielded cable between the draft inducer motor and the control board reduced the radio interference to an acceptable level. Measurements indicate that the amplitude of the noise is reduced by approximately 20dB. The noise can now only be heard when my walkman is within 2 feet of the furnace. Interference on 14MHz is reduced below my ambient noise level from natural sources. For all interested, the "shielded cable kit" is part number KIT09682. It is specifically designed for the following furnace models: UY-W4, DY-W4, UX-R-W3, and DX-R-W3. Note that the shielded cable has a ground lead on each end. For effective noise suppression it is essential that each ground lead be connected to the points specified by the instructions. modelman wrote: Several months ago I had a high efficiency Trane XV90 natural gas furnace and heat pump installed. Since the weather has recently been cold enough for the gas furnace to provide heat, I have been experiencing severe radio interference. The interference wipes out AM broadcast reception throughout my house. I also see snow on a TV connected to an external antenna. The radio noise occurs as soon as the draft inducer motor starts up; the pitch of the interference is related to the motor speed. The draft inducer motor is a dc motor driven by a PWM controller on the main circuit board. It is well known that PWM systems generate strong harmonics throughout the radio spectrum, resulting in radio interference. However, properly designed PWM systems include filtering and shielding to suppress the radio frequency currents from the wiring. I contacted my installer, who is totally unfamiliar with the problem. The electrician who was sent to my house to investigate the problem also doesn't understand what's going on. I had to explain the difference between an RF ground and dc or house ground to him. Although everything appears to be well grounded from a dc perspective, I suspect that portions of the system are radiating RF energy. Several days ago I emailed Trane about the problem, but haven't received any response. Although there has been past discussion in this group about radio/TV interference emanating from Trane high efficiency gas furnaces, I haven't seen any definitive fix. Does anyone know if Trane has a fix for this problem. Do they have a shielded cable and or rf filter kit to suppress this noise? Since my system is under warranty, I won't attempt any modiifcations to the system. Has anyone experienced this problem? Thanks. |
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