I have a duplex which is settling. I have a front door that drags on the
interior floor. It is currently cut about 1.5 inches up and a threshold is
installed to meet the under side of the door.

I am putting in new oak hardwood floors. To have the door not scrape it
will make the front threshold like entering a battleship. You'd have to
step over/on a raised threshold that is about 4" high. This would make
moving in furniture difficult too and when damaged, as I'm sure will
eventually happen, then the air gap will be significant.

Any ideas. I even thought of hanging the door to open out. I thought I'd
need a special type of hinge, but maybe that would be the best idea. Any
thoughts? Are there such hinges? I think most doors aren't hung this way
for safety. So people can't remove the hinges and gain access to the home.
Argh! If it isn't one problem it's three or four!!!

++++++++

KaCe

glassartist wrote:
I have a duplex which is settling. I have a front door that drags on the
interior floor. It is currently cut about 1.5 inches up and a threshold is
installed to meet the under side of the door.

I am putting in new oak hardwood floors. To have the door not scrape it
will make the front threshold like entering a battleship. You'd have to
step over/on a raised threshold that is about 4" high. This would make
moving in furniture difficult too and when damaged, as I'm sure will
eventually happen, then the air gap will be significant.

Any ideas. I even thought of hanging the door to open out. I thought I'd
need a special type of hinge, but maybe that would be the best idea. Any
thoughts? Are there such hinges? I think most doors aren't hung this way
for safety. So people can't remove the hinges and gain access to the home.
Argh! If it isn't one problem it's three or four!!!

++++

KaCe

There are hinges for out swinging doors that protect the pins.
TB

glassartist wrote:
I have a duplex which is settling. I have a front door that drags on the
interior floor. It is currently cut about 1.5 inches up and a threshold is
installed to meet the under side of the door.

I am putting in new oak hardwood floors. To have the door not scrape it
will make the front threshold like entering a battleship. You'd have to
step over/on a raised threshold that is about 4" high. This would make
moving in furniture difficult too and when damaged, as I'm sure will
eventually happen, then the air gap will be significant.

Any ideas. I even thought of hanging the door to open out. I thought I'd
need a special type of hinge, but maybe that would be the best idea. Any
thoughts? Are there such hinges? I think most doors aren't hung this way
for safety. So people can't remove the hinges and gain access to the home.
Argh! If it isn't one problem it's three or four!!!

Don't have the door swing out. Really - don't. Use rising butt
hinges. http://www.hardwaresource.com/Store_...ts.asp?Cat=542

R

RicodJour wrote:
glassartist wrote:
I have a duplex which is settling. I have a front door that drags on the
interior floor. It is currently cut about 1.5 inches up and a threshold is
installed to meet the under side of the door.

I am putting in new oak hardwood floors. To have the door not scrape it
will make the front threshold like entering a battleship. You'd have to
step over/on a raised threshold that is about 4" high. This would make
moving in furniture difficult too and when damaged, as I'm sure will
eventually happen, then the air gap will be significant.

Any ideas. I even thought of hanging the door to open out. I thought I'd
need a special type of hinge, but maybe that would be the best idea. Any
thoughts? Are there such hinges? I think most doors aren't hung this way
for safety. So people can't remove the hinges and gain access to the home.
Argh! If it isn't one problem it's three or four!!!

Don't have the door swing out. Really - don't. Use rising butt
hinges. http://www.hardwaresource.com/Store_...ts.asp?Cat=542

R

What's your thinking?
We don't know about landing size.
TB

Don't have the door swing out. Really - don't. Use rising butt
hinges. http://www.hardwaresource.com/Store_...ts.asp?Cat=542

R

RicodJour, thanks for posting that, I love being made aware of problem
solvers!! I don't presently have that problem, but it will probably
come up.

"RicodJour" wrote in
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glassartist wrote:
I have a duplex which is settling. I have a front door that drags on
the interior floor. It is currently cut about 1.5 inches up and a
threshold is installed to meet the under side of the door.

I am putting in new oak hardwood floors. To have the door not scrape
it will make the front threshold like entering a battleship. You'd
have to step over/on a raised threshold that is about 4" high. This
would make moving in furniture difficult too and when damaged, as I'm
sure will eventually happen, then the air gap will be significant.

Any ideas. I even thought of hanging the door to open out. I thought
I'd need a special type of hinge, but maybe that would be the best
idea. Any thoughts? Are there such hinges? I think most doors aren't
hung this way for safety. So people can't remove the hinges and gain
access to the home. Argh! If it isn't one problem it's three or
four!!!

Don't have the door swing out. Really - don't. Use rising butt
hinges. http://www.hardwaresource.com/Store_...ts.asp?Cat=542

R



Awesome! Never knew this existed. Thanks again Ricod.

Eric in North TX wrote:
Don't have the door swing out. Really - don't. Use rising butt
hinges. http://www.hardwaresource.com/Store_...ts.asp?Cat=542

R

RicodJour, thanks for posting that, I love being made aware of problem
solvers!! I don't presently have that problem, but it will probably
come up.

Gee, shouldn't the OP be the one thanking me? I'm not sure I can
legally accept a "Thank you" by proxy!

Rising butt hinges have been around for a long time - I guess since
shortly after they discovered that houses settle and doors don't like
that. They're a quick fix for the usual
too-thick-wipe-your-feet-please mat at the entrance doors.

R

wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
glassartist wrote:
I have a duplex which is settling. I have a front door that drags on the
interior floor. It is currently cut about 1.5 inches up and a threshold is
installed to meet the under side of the door.

I am putting in new oak hardwood floors. To have the door not scrape it
will make the front threshold like entering a battleship. You'd have to
step over/on a raised threshold that is about 4" high. This would make
moving in furniture difficult too and when damaged, as I'm sure will
eventually happen, then the air gap will be significant.

Any ideas. I even thought of hanging the door to open out. I thought I'd
need a special type of hinge, but maybe that would be the best idea. Any
thoughts? Are there such hinges? I think most doors aren't hung this way
for safety. So people can't remove the hinges and gain access to the home.
Argh! If it isn't one problem it's three or four!!!

Don't have the door swing out. Really - don't. Use rising butt
hinges. http://www.hardwaresource.com/Store_...ts.asp?Cat=542

R

What's your thinking?
We don't know about landing size.

He's putting in new flooring. He'd either have to put in a new door to
reverse the swing, or do some serious reworking. Ain't worth it for
that reason alone. Add in the confusion that almost everyone visiting
will have operating a door that swings the opposite way of what they
were expecting and what they are used to, the "non-welcoming" aspect of
having to step back away from the house to open the door, weatherstrip
and threshold issues, and it's a non-starter.

Reversing the door would cost a lot of time and money, as compared to
$30 and a half hour's work (including stopping for the requisite beer
about halfway through the project).

R

RicodJour wrote:
What's your thinking?
We don't know about landing size.

He's putting in new flooring. He'd either have to put in a new door
to reverse the swing, or do some serious reworking. Ain't worth it
for
that reason alone. Add in the confusion that almost everyone visiting
will have operating a door that swings the opposite way of what they
were expecting and what they are used to, the "non-welcoming" aspect
of
having to step back away from the house to open the door, weatherstrip
and threshold issues, and it's a non-starter.

Every commercial door in virtually every jurisdiction in the United States
MUST, by law, swing outward. This is an obvious fire-safety rule. But not
everybody harkens to the obvious.

I remember visiting the Jerusalem police station and couldn't work the door
(it swung inward). I thought to myself "they must not want any business..."

Another reason for swinging outward is that it is easier to secure the door
from forced entry - the goblins have to PULL the door open (but there's
nothing to grip but the knob). They sure as hell can't kick it down when the
door's braced on all four sides. For example, the cops can bang on the door
with that 50-pound battering-ram thingy against an outward-opening door and
accomplish nothing but getting tired. You'll have ample time to flush your
stash.


Reversing the door would cost a lot of time and money, as compared to
$30 and a half hour's work (including stopping for the requisite beer
about halfway through the project).


Some doors HAVE to be reversed, like when you have two doors per opening:
Screen doors and burglar bars for example.

HeyBub wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
What's your thinking?
We don't know about landing size.

He's putting in new flooring. He'd either have to put in a new door
to reverse the swing, or do some serious reworking. Ain't worth it
for
that reason alone. Add in the confusion that almost everyone visiting
will have operating a door that swings the opposite way of what they
were expecting and what they are used to, the "non-welcoming" aspect
of
having to step back away from the house to open the door, weatherstrip
and threshold issues, and it's a non-starter.

Every commercial door in virtually every jurisdiction in the United States
MUST, by law, swing outward. This is an obvious fire-safety rule. But not
everybody harkens to the obvious.

How do mass exits during a fire in a commercial building apply to a
residential door?

I remember visiting the Jerusalem police station and couldn't work the door
(it swung inward). I thought to myself "they must not want any business..."

Another reason for swinging outward is that it is easier to secure the door
from forced entry - the goblins have to PULL the door open (but there's
nothing to grip but the knob). They sure as hell can't kick it down when the
door's braced on all four sides. For example, the cops can bang on the door
with that 50-pound battering-ram thingy against an outward-opening door and
accomplish nothing but getting tired. You'll have ample time to flush your
stash.

The only thing holding a door in place, besides the hinges and
lock/latch, are the stops. If the door is rabbeted into the jambs,
then it would be much tougher to kick it in, whether it is an in or out
swing door. If the jambs have applied stops, you can kick it in
whether it is an in or out swing. If you're referring to hollow metal
jambs, maybe grouted in place, well that's commercial construction
again and much tougher to kick in. The out swing hollow metal door
itself can be pried open like a sardine can. I witnessed that first
hand upon returning from a vacation overseas to find my shop had been
broken into in exactly that way.

Reversing the door would cost a lot of time and money, as compared to
$30 and a half hour's work (including stopping for the requisite beer
about halfway through the project).


Some doors HAVE to be reversed, like when you have two doors per opening:
Screen doors and burglar bars for example.

I've reversed doors many times, and have one that's ten feet from me
that keeps asking when I'll be getting to it (later, of course). For
the OP's situation the rising butt hinges will save him time, money and
won't require any reworking of weatherstripping, refinishing or
patching.

R

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:49:10 -0700, Abe wrote:

I have a duplex which is settling. I have a front door that drags on the
interior floor. It is currently cut about 1.5 inches up and a threshold is
installed to meet the under side of the door.

I am putting in new oak hardwood floors. To have the door not scrape it
will make the front threshold like entering a battleship. You'd have to
step over/on a raised threshold that is about 4" high. This would make
moving in furniture difficult too and when damaged, as I'm sure will
eventually happen, then the air gap will be significant.

Any ideas. I even thought of hanging the door to open out. I thought I'd
need a special type of hinge, but maybe that would be the best idea. Any
thoughts? Are there such hinges? I think most doors aren't hung this way
for safety. So people can't remove the hinges and gain access to the home.
Argh! If it isn't one problem it's three or four!!!
If it's a wood door, you can safely saw off about an inch from the
bottom. If not, rising butt hinges are another option.

Is the problem that the floor rises inside the house to
where the door hits it, or that wall the door is in tilts
inward so that the door isn't swinging level? If it's
the latter, shouldn't you either move the top hinge
out, or (more likely) the bottom hinge in until the
door swings level again?

RicodJour wrote:

Every commercial door in virtually every jurisdiction in the United
States MUST, by law, swing outward. This is an obvious fire-safety
rule. But not everybody harkens to the obvious.

How do mass exits during a fire in a commercial building apply to a
residential door?

Uh, "good practice" and guaranteeing the ability to open the door when a
panicked crowd is trying to escape. Like when the cops are kicking in the
FRONT door (and having a difficult time because the door opens outwards) and
all the dopers are trying to leave by the BACK door.

There's no requirement that residental buildings have fire extinguishers or
second-floor ladders either. They're just reasonable ideas.



The only thing holding a door in place, besides the hinges and
lock/latch, are the stops. If the door is rabbeted into the jambs,
then it would be much tougher to kick it in, whether it is an in or
out swing door. If the jambs have applied stops, you can kick it in
whether it is an in or out swing. If you're referring to hollow metal
jambs, maybe grouted in place, well that's commercial construction
again and much tougher to kick in. The out swing hollow metal door
itself can be pried open like a sardine can. I witnessed that first
hand upon returning from a vacation overseas to find my shop had been
broken into in exactly that way.

You have clever burglars in your area, that's all. If a door won't kick in,
my local kick-burglars go elsewhere.


Reversing the door would cost a lot of time and money, as compared
to $30 and a half hour's work (including stopping for the requisite
beer about halfway through the project).


Some doors HAVE to be reversed, like when you have two doors per
opening: Screen doors and burglar bars for example.

I've reversed doors many times, and have one that's ten feet from me
that keeps asking when I'll be getting to it (later, of course). For
the OP's situation the rising butt hinges will save him time, money
and won't require any reworking of weatherstripping, refinishing or
patching.

Time, money, reworking, weatherstripping, refinishing, and patching are of
no concern to the OP. Maybe not burglars either.

I'm just opining that the door COULD open outward along with some good
reasons why.

replying to RicodJour, ericf wrote:
Thank you for this suggestion(11years later, it was still helpful) I didn't
know these existed!


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