Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

I just want to know what I'm talking about before engaging any
repairmen. Thanks!

Add vents and replace entire roof.

next one should last at least 25 years........

why muck around fixing a little here and there when replacement is in
order.

havingb a matching roof is advantage if you sell.........

it avioids leaks and such which can do gig bucks in damage espically
things like mold

just replace the entire roof

"Paul" writes:

Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

Damn...that's a _lot_ of curling. That roof looks like ****.

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

It's a combination of age, and inadequate ventilation will make them
wear quicker than otherwise. That's a horrible looking 10 year old
roof. Ventilation does make a big difference in roof life.
VEntilation also keeps moisture down in the attic, and keeps your roof
cold in the winter like it should be which prevents ice damns.
Sofffit ventilation is easy and actually kinda fun to install. You
probably do need more ventilation, but that won't fix those shingles
now.

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

LOL. You don't have a few shingles that are worn I'm afraid. And if
you're having folks out with rakes and dumpsters and such, you
certainly should do the whole roof. If any of those pictures are "the
good side" of your roof, I'm afraid to say they are shot too. The
curling on those pics is really horrendous. Do the whole roof. Get
several quotes. In Toronto, ask about ice guard. In Chicago, it's
become a standard thing to do. With how bad those current shingles
are, doing a nail over 2nd layer probably isn't an option and they'll
have to do a tearoff anyway. The good news is that with a tearoff,
getting iceguard hardly costs anything additional.

Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Is the attic unfinished and vented, what is the color and condition of
the beams. From that type of damage it is something I would expect of an
unvented cathedral ceiling. What brand and grade of shingles were used,
they look bad.

Paul wrote:
Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

I just want to know what I'm talking about before engaging any
repairmen. Thanks!

Hi,
Not enough vent. ruined the shingles.
Also what is the color of shingles? Dark ones absorb more heat for sure.

Wow. How you ever checked how hot your attic gets? My house has pretty
much zilch for ventilation, and gets very hot in the summer, and my
roof shingles aren't nearly that bad after 10 years. Might these be
junk shingles to begin with, in combo with the lack of ventilation?

-Kevin

m Ransley wrote:
Is the attic unfinished and vented, what is the color and condition of
the beams. From that type of damage it is something I would expect of an
unvented cathedral ceiling. What brand and grade of shingles were used,
they look bad.


They are the worst I've ever seen for a 10 year old roof. I've seen
25+ year old ones that look much better. I agree with the advice to do
the whole roof. Be sure to contract for removal of the existing
material. I would normally recommend that anyway, but I would
consider it absolutely necessary in this case. It will also allow for
full inspection of the sheathing, which I would want for a roof that is
this bad.

I'd inspect inside the attic for problems too. If the ventilation is
non-existent, you may find other problems as well. And first priority
is getting the attic fully ventilated.

On 20 Sep 2006 07:06:15 -0700, "Paul" wrote:

Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

I just want to know what I'm talking about before engaging any
repairmen. Thanks!

I'd say that roof is a good candidate for non-asphalt roofing
of some sort. Slate, or fiberglass/concrete, or something.

http://www.metalshingle.com/ has some interesting stuff,
or maybe integral photovoltaic panels.

don't forget to check for amage to the sheeting, the boards may need to
be replaced as well, even if nothing has been getting in.

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Paul wrote:
Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

I just want to know what I'm talking about before engaging any
repairmen. Thanks!

Paul wrote:
Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

I just want to know what I'm talking about before engaging any
repairmen. Thanks!

Before you do anything check and see if the singles were made by
Certainteed. They had a major problem from about 1992 through 1997 with
their shingles curling on the corners. If they were made by Certainteed
just point your browser to http://tinyurl.com/nl93v and start the
roofing claim process. There is also a class action lawsuit against them
that you might want to jump into.

Don

Paul wrote:
Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

Possibly both. Your roof pretty much tells the story. There is a
formula for calculating attic ventilation. One sq. ft. of vent for each
300 sq. ft. of attic floor? You can do a google search to find more
information.

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

Do your photos show the "good" side? Looks like you need a tearoff and
reroof. Pick you favorite brand of roofing - GAF, Certainteed, etc. -
then find the company's website and look at installation instructions.
They will tell you what underlayment, how many nails, etc. Look at the
underside of the roof for signs of water leaks or rotted deck. If you
have fascia that needs repair, get it done before the new roof.

I just want to know what I'm talking about before engaging any
repairmen. Thanks!


If you don't know products or contractors in your area, talk to friends
and neighbors who have had good results that have lasted.

Be sure, when you get bids, that they specify the products, costs, time
frame, disposal, release of lien (if they do that up there), and
cleanup. Don't be surprised if a shingle blows off or something leaks.
Even good roofers have trouble, and this is where good references are
critical - do they respond appropriately when things go wrong.

Not that I am an expert by any measure but I would guess it would be
money best spent to replace the whole roof.

Myself and the neighbors got really good discounts for getting our roofs
done at the same time. It turned out that all of us had been getting
estimates. I saw a roofing truck at my neighbor and asked the guy to
come give me an estimate.

I asked what would be in it for all of us if we got all the roofs done
by him. He said he would give us all a discount. Resulted in a $1,000
savings to each of us even compared to the two estimates I already had
received.



Paul wrote:
Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

I just want to know what I'm talking about before engaging any
repairmen. Thanks!

Several folks asked if any of those pictures were from the good side of
my roof - the answer is no, the good side basically looks like a
brand-new roof. Also, those horrible-looking close-ups are where the
damage is worst.

Wow. How you ever checked how hot your attic gets?
Nope.

Also what is the color of shingles? Dark ones absorb more heat for sure.

Mystifyingly, the shingles are black. So when the sun is high in the
summer, they heat the house up. In the winter, when the sun is low, it
barely reaches the shingles. Why would people use black shingles in
area's where you need air conditioning? Toronto, btw, is not that
different from NYC in the summer, weather-wise.

From that type of damage it is something I would expect of an
unvented cathedral ceiling. What brand and grade of shingles were used,
they look bad.

Cathedral ceiling is correct, there are some vents, but apparently not
enough!

I'd say that roof is a good candidate for non-asphalt roofing
of some sort. Slate, or fiberglass/concrete, or something.
http://www.metalshingle.com/ has some interesting stuff,
or maybe integral photovoltaic panels.

I will check this out, and recently I've read about roofs made from old
tires that last forever. I'd like to be green, but don't have unlimited
funds. I think where there are environmentally friendly solutions and
non-environmentally friendly solutions they should be taxed to make the
friendly choice more attractive.

Before you do anything check and see if the singles were made by
Certainteed. They had a major problem from about 1992 through 1997 with
their shingles curling on the corners. If they were made by Certainteed
just point your browser to http://tinyurl.com/nl93v and start the
roofing claim process. There is also a class action lawsuit against them
that you might want to jump into.

Excellent. I will check this - I assume I need to look underneath a
shingle for a maker?


Finally, thanks to everyone for the advice. It's not what I wanted to
hear (I was hoping someone would say Aw, replace a few shingle & add
some vents), but I'm a little more educated now then before.

Hi, I posted this topic some time ago & received invaluable advice that
I may be eligible for a roofing claim. So - finally got out the ladder
& hoped that something would be printed on the back of one of the
shingles, however, nothing is printed there.

Checking http://tinyurl.com/nl93v, I see the process is to send
unfolded shingles to the company to them to see if you're eligible. Can
do, but it's a bit of a fishing expidition, perhaps my shingles weren't
even made by them & I'm throwing good money after bad.

Is there any way to tell, even make an educated guess?

Also, I am open to green idea's like shingles-made-from-tires, or even
photo-electric shingles. Let the url's fly! Thanks in advance. Paul


IGot2P wrote:
Paul wrote:
Hi All,

I'm in a 10 year old brick two-story in Toronto, Canada. The sunward
side of my roof looks pretty bad to me, while the shaded side is in
perfect condition. Here is a link to some pictures of the problem;

http://picasaweb.google.com/pauldela...oofIsInTrouble

I've heard that my roof needs better ventalation - any substance to
this, or is it basically UV damage?

Most importantly, what sort of stance do I take with repairman (I fix
alot of things, but I don't think I want to do this one!). Do I;
- need a new roof (sunny side only)
- just need some repair where the shingles are worn, and perhaps some
new vents?

I just want to know what I'm talking about before engaging any
repairmen. Thanks!

Before you do anything check and see if the singles were made by
Certainteed. They had a major problem from about 1992 through 1997 with
their shingles curling on the corners. If they were made by Certainteed
just point your browser to http://tinyurl.com/nl93v and start the
roofing claim process. There is also a class action lawsuit against them
that you might want to jump into.

Don