All -

I'm looking for any input on the following condition:

1. Hot water heater is heated as a zone from my multi-zone oil heating
system. There are two other zones, one for each floor.
2. Approximately 30 from the hot water discharge on the hot water heater
(the pipes that eventually lead to the sinks and showers, not back to the
furnace) there is an approximately 1/2" pipe that routes back to the cold
water inlet side of the hot water heater. There is a check valve that lets
the water flow the way I described it and a globe valve to cut the flow if
desired.
3. All the piping in the house is that plastic stuff (the good kind, I
already checked), not that I think it matters.
4. The furnace maintenance guy couldn't figure out what this does, thought
the check valve was installed backwards and shut the globe valve.
5. I am on a well with a very small storage tank in the basement.
6. None of this looks 'accidental.' It clearly took some work and planning
to implement this configuration.

Pause here to form your own opinions, as I'm about to type my thoughts.

There are two possible conclusions I was able to draw.
1. (Preferred) I think that this setup allows some of the hot water from the
discharge to act as a 'preheat' for the water coming into the tank to
minimize the thermal stresses on the internal hot water tank components when
well-temperature water hits the tank during my morning shower. Minimizing
the thermal stresses extends the life of the tank and would be 'good
plumbing' installation practices.
2. I think that this setup allows for some natural circulation during idle
periods to allow the tank to heat up and cool off continuously so that the
furnace gets a workout more often during the summer. The hot water in the
pipe cools in the basement, gets heavy and displaces hot water in the tank,
forcing more hot water out, etc. While possible, I can't see the water as
having enough head actually do any work and I also don't see the advantage
to running my furnace more often than necessary to keep me in hot water.

If you have some thoughts, or even better, some facts, please comment.

In article , "El Penguini" wrote:
I'm looking for any input on the following condition:

1. Hot water heater is heated as a zone from my multi-zone oil heating
system. There are two other zones, one for each floor.
2. Approximately 30 from the hot water discharge on the hot water heater
(the pipes that eventually lead to the sinks and showers, not back to the
furnace) there is an approximately 1/2" pipe that routes back to the cold
water inlet side of the hot water heater. There is a check valve that lets
the water flow the way I described it and a globe valve to cut the flow if
desired.
[snip]
If you have some thoughts, or even better, some facts, please comment.

Sounds like a recirculation system to allow faster delivery of hot water to
the sinks and showers.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..

Sounds like a recirculation system to allow faster delivery of hot water
to
the sinks and showers.

I'll 2nd that, word for word.

-zero

zero wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..

Sounds like a recirculation system to allow faster delivery of hot water
to
the sinks and showers.

I'll 2nd that, word for word.

-zero

3rd.

Pete C.

I'm the OP.

15 minutes after reading your response, my wife says, "I noticed it is
taking longer to get hot water, I wonder if that is what it does."

Sure enough, set it right and it allows a faster hot water service.

thanks for the input everyone!

Peter

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:32:27 -0400, "El Penguini"
wrote:

All -

I'm looking for any input on the following condition:

1. Hot water heater is heated as a zone from my multi-zone oil heating
system. There are two other zones, one for each floor.
2. Approximately 30 from the hot water discharge on the hot water heater
(the pipes that eventually lead to the sinks and showers, not back to the
furnace) there is an approximately 1/2" pipe that routes back to the cold
water inlet side of the hot water heater. There is a check valve that lets
the water flow the way I described it and a globe valve to cut the flow if
desired.
3. All the piping in the house is that plastic stuff (the good kind, I
already checked), not that I think it matters.
4. The furnace maintenance guy couldn't figure out what this does, thought
the check valve was installed backwards and shut the globe valve.
5. I am on a well with a very small storage tank in the basement.
6. None of this looks 'accidental.' It clearly took some work and planning
to implement this configuration.

Pause here to form your own opinions, as I'm about to type my thoughts.

There are two possible conclusions I was able to draw.
1. (Preferred) I think that this setup allows some of the hot water from the
discharge to act as a 'preheat' for the water coming into the tank to
minimize the thermal stresses on the internal hot water tank components when
well-temperature water hits the tank during my morning shower. Minimizing
the thermal stresses extends the life of the tank and would be 'good
plumbing' installation practices.
2. I think that this setup allows for some natural circulation during idle
periods to allow the tank to heat up and cool off continuously so that the
furnace gets a workout more often during the summer. The hot water in the
pipe cools in the basement, gets heavy and displaces hot water in the tank,
forcing more hot water out, etc. While possible, I can't see the water as
having enough head actually do any work and I also don't see the advantage
to running my furnace more often than necessary to keep me in hot water.

If you have some thoughts, or even better, some facts, please comment.

May be a tempering valve to limit the shower/tub/sink water to 120
degrees. A cold water feed to a tempering valve requires a shutoff.
--
Mr.E

El Penguini wrote:
I'm the OP.

15 minutes after reading your response, my wife says, "I noticed it is
taking longer to get hot water, I wonder if that is what it does."

Sure enough, set it right and it allows a faster hot water service.

thanks for the input everyone!

Peter

I would be wondering just how goo a plumber that guy is if he couldn't
recognize it instantly.

Harry K