FLOOR SURGEONS, INC. that operates in and around Tampa, Florida is
definitely NOT recommended. Floor Surgeons and Joe Greene were fired
from a job for poor workmanship and were not paid any final amounts. A
replacement refinisher finished the work better, faster and for a lower
price. The Floor Surgeon work was so bad from the beginning that the
replacement refinisher had been hired in anticipation of Floor Surgeons
being fired.

Here is info from the Florida corporation website as well as other
information to aid in identifying the correct entity etc: Registered
Agent Name & Address: JOSEPH GREENE, AKA JOSEPH L. GREENE, JOE GREENE
3805 TREADWAY DRIVE, VALRICO FLORIDA 33594 Corporate Status: INACTIVE
(on July 22, 2006) Last Event: ADMIN DISSOLUTION FOR ANNUAL REPORT
Event Date Filed: 10/01/2004 (Despite being administratively dissolved
he was still trying to do business as "Floor Surgeons, Inc." on
July 22, 2006).

The business was retained on Monday 6/12/2006 and it represented that
it would start on Wednesday 6/14/2006 for a three day job. The date was
selected after a lengthy discussion to mutually select a particular
date for planning purposes. On the night before work was to start,
Floor Surgeons left a message that there had been an illness in the
family and they would not start the next day. There was no detail nor
comment about when work would start. No communication followed for
days. After the customer called Floor Surgeons another date was
selected and Floor Surgeons did not show and did not call. Another
person called and claimed that Joe Greene had food poisoning and had
been hospitalized. The claim did not have the ring of truth. Another
person who works with Joe Greene indicated that during that time period
he was unaware of Joe Greene being hospitalized for food poisoning.

Work began on 07/21/06, Joe Green showed up with a helper who was
non-communicative and looked like a loser.

For sanding, Floor Surgeons did not remove quarter inch rounds from the
walls. Even failing that it did not sand all the way to the quarter
rounds nor into corners. There was uneven sanding throughout the two
rooms, hallway and six steps. No person was ever viewed wearing ear
protection (while operating sanding with sanders that make massive
noise) nor protection against fumes. When an inquiry was made whether
that is normal operating procedure at all jobs, the answer was that it
is.

Joe made no effort to minimize dust until the customer pointed out the
problem. Joe did that despite claiming in earlier during contract
negotiations that he would hang plastic sheeting. Later, during work,
he made absurd claims that he would have to put nails in walls to hang
any protective barrier. Later, he found some blue painter tape and
acted as if he desire to tape heavier blue tarp type plastic (with
metal corner circles). It is doubtful that the barrier would have
stayed up very long with tape.

For staining, the color was supposed to match another wood floor and
Joe never brought samples and did not ask for a sample from the
customer to match at the stain store. The original contract stated that
the color to match was "butterscotch" but Joe applied "golden oak."

While working, Joe Greene smokes, takes breaks to smoke and refers to
his cigarettes as "cancer sticks" while explaining that he cannot quit.
He also makes phone calls a lot where it is embarrassingly painful to
listen because the calls often involve him speaking to unhappy
customers elsewhere or talking to workers elsewhere who have unhappy
customers.

Joe either did not know or pretended to not know of the use of clear
epoxy as a wood filler. Later, he claimed it did know of it but does
not like to use it and prefers to fill large holes with old style putty
type wood filler, despite the customer asking about clear epoxy. When
Joe was not at the job, he had his wife attempt to drive old style
putty type wood filler into places where thin surface wood covered
termite damage. If she had not been stopped, it would have caused
greater damage in that the surface wood would be broken before the area
underneath could be filled with filler. That is why the epoxy was
inquired about. Joe acted as if he did not understand the customers
concerns.

On the day that the clear polyurethane coat was to begin, his wife
appeared with his son (approximately 10 years of age). Joe did not
appear. The child obviously did not want to be there and evidently was
not a floor refinisher. It appeared that mom was babysitting the child
while she was unaided at a worksite.
The mother was unprepared to the extent that she asked to borrow a box
fan from the customer to use in the process of applying and drying
polyurethane.

Joe hurts himself financially because he does not communcate well.
Instead of turning inquiries into opportunities for more money, he is
either too ignorant of the proposed solution (e.g. epoxy) or unwilling
to take the opportunity. Some people who operate in that manner make
up for their losses by overbooking jobs, and then doing poor quality
rush work. That might the problem with Floor Surgeons.

More information from the Florida corporation website:
Officer/Director Name & Address: STACEY GREENE, 3805 TREADWAY DR.,
VALRICO FL 33594 PRINCIPAL ADDRESS: 3805 TREADWAY DR., VALRICO FL 33594
MAILING ADDRESS: 3805 TREADWAY DR. VALRICO FL 33594
Document Number P03000031854 FEI Number NONE Date Filed 03/19/2003

wrote:
FLOOR SURGEONS, INC. that operates in and around Tampa, Florida is
definitely NOT recommended. Floor Surgeons and Joe Greene were fired
from a job for poor workmanship and were not paid any final amounts. A
replacement refinisher finished the work better, faster and for a lower
price. The Floor Surgeon work was so bad from the beginning that the
replacement refinisher had been hired in anticipation of Floor Surgeons
being fired.

Wow. Excellent planning.

Why are the cranks always so long-winded in their blow-by-blow
descriptions?

R

"RicodJour" wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:
FLOOR SURGEONS, INC. that operates in and around Tampa, Florida is
definitely NOT recommended. Floor Surgeons and Joe Greene were fired
from a job for poor workmanship and were not paid any final amounts. A
replacement refinisher finished the work better, faster and for a lower
price. The Floor Surgeon work was so bad from the beginning that the
replacement refinisher had been hired in anticipation of Floor Surgeons
being fired.

Wow. Excellent planning.

Why are the cranks always so long-winded in their blow-by-blow
descriptions?

You actually read it?

Toller wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message

wrote:
FLOOR SURGEONS, INC. that operates in and around Tampa, Florida is
definitely NOT recommended. Floor Surgeons and Joe Greene were fired
from a job for poor workmanship and were not paid any final amounts. A
replacement refinisher finished the work better, faster and for a lower
price. The Floor Surgeon work was so bad from the beginning that the
replacement refinisher had been hired in anticipation of Floor Surgeons
being fired.

Wow. Excellent planning.

Why are the cranks always so long-winded in their blow-by-blow
descriptions?

You actually read it?

First and last paragraph. Once in a blue moon it's either an excellent
horror story (always from the homeowner's point of view, of course) or
good troll. Both have their merits.

R

On 22 Jul 2006 20:56:01 -0700, "RicodJour"
wrote:

Once in a blue moon it's either an excellent
horror story (always from the homeowner's point of view, of course) or
good troll. Both have their merits.

I actually find a lot of these helpful when I might be in the process
of deciding who,what, when or where in an upcoming project or
purchase.

Regards,
Ed

Ed wrote:
On 22 Jul 2006 20:56:01 -0700, "RicodJour"
wrote:

Once in a blue moon it's either an excellent
horror story (always from the homeowner's point of view, of course) or
good troll. Both have their merits.

I actually find a lot of these helpful when I might be in the process
of deciding who,what, when or where in an upcoming project or
purchase.

How are random one-sided-ramblings from scattered points around the
world of help? Surely, you don't believe that just because the poster
discovered Usenet that they're 100% honest and legitimate? There are
so many scenarios that you ignore. How about this one - a competitor
posts some gibberish to damage someone?

The people that post diatribe's are generally obsessive cranks and not
themselves entirely free from blame (assuming that it's a real person
posting and not a troll). These are not the people that a reasonable
person looks to for advice. A reasonable person would check with their
Better Business Bureau, contractor's licensing board, assorted
insurance agencies, get references and check on the contractor's work
before signing anything. If there's a problem it gets reported to the
same agencies.

That way it stays local and doesn't waste other people's time.

R

Why are the cranks like Ricodjour always so long-winded in their
blow-by-blow responses to common complaints in the business? Did
anyone actually read Ricodjour's comments? How are Rico's random
one-sided-ramblings and similar ones from scattered points around the
world of help? Surely, you don't believe that just because people such
as Rico discovered Usenet that they're 100% honest and legitimate?
There are so many scenarios that are ignored. How about this one - a
competitor posts some gibberish to cover-up for someone?

The people that post diatribe's such as Ricodjours are generally
obsessive cranks and not themselves entirely free from blame (assuming
that Rico is a real person posting and not a troll). Such people as
Rico are not the people that a reasonable person looks to for advice.
A reasonable person would check with their Better Business Bureau,
contractor's licensing board, assorted insurance agencies, get
references and check on the contractor's work before signing anything.
The original poster did checking. If there's a problem it might get
reported to the some of those places, it might not. Usenet allows
people to find comments about specific businesses and people even if
they are local and that doesn't waste other people's time.

The customer had been considering adding old-style wood floors to other
areas of the location to match, and Floor Surgeons, Inc., lost out on
that work.

The experience was so negative that the customer even began to consider
alternatives to old-style wood flooring.

Capitalism creates many alternatives that help people avoid bad service
providers in old style wood floor installation, finishing and
refinishing. Bad refinishers are one reason why the pre-fab flooring
industry was created and grew so big.

Bad service providers are also a constant inspiration for the "do it
yourself" side of pre-fab wood flooring and for so many other goods and
services. Capitalism provides many ways to avoid having bad people
come into one's home, or even associating with bad providers.

Abe wrote:

Rexy's story rings true. I've had the unfortunate experience to once
hire a contractor similar in attitude and performance as his floor
refinisher. Just because he wanted to vent and warn others in the
third person doesn't make him a crank.

Rings true. Hmmm. If I took a real story and simply changed the
contractor's name, for nefarious purposes, would it still "ring true"?
It would, wouldn't it? There's no way to tell whether the story is
true or not. There's no way to tell how much the actual events were
edited.

Look at this another way. If some random person posted a glowing
recommendation for a contractor on Usenet, would you automatically
figure that the contractor is wonderful and hire them without further
investigation based on that random posting? Or would you take the
recommendation with a grain of salt?

Lets review the OP's account:
- anonymous posting (you can't do that with the contractor's licensing
board or BBB)
- third person posting for some reason (attempt to make the crank post
appear more valid?)
- wanted the contractor to use epoxy to cover up termite damage (spell
cheap)
- didn't like the contractor's helper because "he looked like a loser"
- listens in on contractor's phone calls
- didn't insist on stain samples (normally, no samples, don't let them
proceed)
- cares that the contractor calls cigarettes cancer sticks (WTF?)

Check out the OPs posting history.
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...Z2 &scoring=d
Also check out what he posts and where. He posts long political
diatribes in the most random, unrelated newsgroups. This is a person
desperately seeking attention.

To even up the playing field a bit so it's not one-sided anonymous I'll
provide a little information. Rex Curry is a libertarian, lawyer
(non-practicing?) and general internet crank. You'd think that someone
trained as a lawyer would have the mental wherewithal to locate and
checkout a potential floor refinishing contractor before hiring them.
It's not rocket science.

Instead of protecting himself prior to hiring the contractor the OP is
trying to retaliate against the contractor after the fact.

Were there problems on the job? Absolutely. Is the OP's account of
the vents the complete truth? Not hardly.

I don't see the benefit of relying on "not hardly" posts to locate or
eliminate a contractor from consideration.

R

Check out Ricodjour's post. He posts long diatribes in which he only
makes insults and speculates wildly. Ricodjour is a person desperately
seeking attention.

To even up the playing field a bit so it's not one-sided anonymous,
here is more information. Ricodjour hates liberty and he is not lawyer
(is he even employed?) and he is a general internet crank. You'd think
that even someone as challenged as ricodjour would have the mental
wherewithal to understand how to locate and checkout a potential floor
refinishing contractor before hiring him and how to warn others
afterward. It's not rocket science. And yet, ricodjour has not
actually provided any information on the entity named using the methods
that rico babbles about. That is because rico knows that rico is
wrong.

rico does not even know what methods were used in the actual selection
process. rico just speculates wildly and for no apparent purpose than
to cast insults and for no apparent reason. rico is an internet crank.


Instead of protecting himself prior to making his crank posts, rico is
trying to retaliate against after the fact and for no rational reason.

Were there problems on the job? Absolutely. Does rico have any
knowledge concerning the account of the events? Not hardly. Not one
iota.

No one can see the benefit of relying on internet cranks like rico who
admits that he knows nothing about the situation.

In article .com,
says...


Bad service providers are also a constant inspiration for the "do it
yourself" side of pre-fab wood flooring and for so many other goods and
services. Capitalism provides many ways to avoid having bad people
come into one's home, or even associating with bad providers.

Ya know what, you actually had some credibility before this post.

Oops.


-Tim

On 22 Jul 2006 22:33:32 -0700, "RicodJour"
wrote:

Surely, you don't believe that just because the poster
discovered Usenet that they're 100% honest and legitimate?

No, and the people that actually read my post didn't see where I said,
much less suggested such. Next time read the message you are replying
to and "QUOTING" before you make a fool out of yourself again....

Ed wrote:
On 22 Jul 2006 22:33:32 -0700, "RicodJour"
wrote:

Surely, you don't believe that just because the poster
discovered Usenet that they're 100% honest and legitimate?

No, and the people that actually read my post didn't see where I said,
much less suggested such. Next time read the message you are replying
to and "QUOTING" before you make a fool out of yourself again....

I "quoted" your entire response, so I'm not sure what you mean.

For your convenience, here's the repost:

RicodJour wrote:
Ed wrote:
On 22 Jul 2006 20:56:01 -0700, "RicodJour"
wrote:

Once in a blue moon it's either an excellent
horror story (always from the homeowner's point of view, of course) or
good troll. Both have their merits.

I actually find a lot of these helpful when I might be in the process
of deciding who,what, when or where in an upcoming project or
purchase.

How are random one-sided-ramblings from scattered points around the
world of help? Surely, you don't believe that just because the poster
discovered Usenet that they're 100% honest and legitimate? There are
so many scenarios that you ignore. How about this one - a competitor
posts some gibberish to damage someone?

The people that post diatribe's are generally obsessive cranks and not
themselves entirely free from blame (assuming that it's a real person
posting and not a troll). These are not the people that a reasonable
person looks to for advice. A reasonable person would check with their
Better Business Bureau, contractor's licensing board, assorted
insurance agencies, get references and check on the contractor's work
before signing anything. If there's a problem it gets reported to the
same agencies.

That way it stays local and doesn't waste other people's time.

R

See? No editing, no omissions.

R