I have a 35 year old house with copper pipes. Our water has a good bit
of iron and for a long time the people who lived here before us did not
have a water softener. I've opened the lines a few times for various
repairs and find what I believe is buildup of iron. When it's wet it
looks and feels a bit like rusty colored seaweed built up on the walls
of the pipe. Once it dries it turns to very fine rusty powder, about
the consistency of talcum powder, and is easily wiped out or blown
away.

I have normal range at the pressure tank (45-60psi) and good flow rate
at the base of the pressure tank, but many fixtures in the house,
especially the outdoor faucets, have low flow rate.

My question is how can I remove this iron deposit, or whatever it is,
from the inside of the pipes. I've googled this a little and have not
found a description that quite matches what I see inside my pipes.
There are many articles on mineral buildup, crystalline materials, and
all kinds of hard deposits. But my deposits are very soft and easy to
remove. Could I, for example, drain down the whole house piping system,
blow compressed air through the lines starting at the top of the house
to dry out all the lines and then turn the water back on to flush out
the powder? Would this work or would the pipes stay too damp for the
rust to turn into powder?

Any suggestions welcome.

"markl" wrote in message
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I have a 35 year old house with copper pipes. Our water has a good bit
of iron and for a long time the people who lived here before us did not
have a water softener. I've opened the lines a few times for various
repairs and find what I believe is buildup of iron. When it's wet it
looks and feels a bit like rusty colored seaweed built up on the walls
of the pipe. Once it dries it turns to very fine rusty powder, about
the consistency of talcum powder, and is easily wiped out or blown
away.

I have normal range at the pressure tank (45-60psi) and good flow rate
at the base of the pressure tank, but many fixtures in the house,
especially the outdoor faucets, have low flow rate.

My question is how can I remove this iron deposit, or whatever it is,
from the inside of the pipes. I've googled this a little and have not
found a description that quite matches what I see inside my pipes.
There are many articles on mineral buildup, crystalline materials, and
all kinds of hard deposits. But my deposits are very soft and easy to
remove. Could I, for example, drain down the whole house piping system,
blow compressed air through the lines starting at the top of the house
to dry out all the lines and then turn the water back on to flush out
the powder? Would this work or would the pipes stay too damp for the
rust to turn into powder?

Any suggestions welcome.

You might just take a look at the fixtures themselves. The house that I'm
living in had a severe flow problem due to rusted galvanized pipes, but that
said the flow increased dramatically from simply replacing the valves and
faucets that had become clogged with rust and mineral deposits. Also, if
the stuff in the copper is like you said not hardened on it should flush out
quickly if flow can be restored. Just a thought.

Drain the pipes and then turn the water back on with one of the taps open.
If you can turn the water back on quick enough the surge of water through
the pipes will blow a lot of sediment out the faucet, remember to remove the
screen on the tap or it will immediately clog. Do this repeatedly for each
faucet and you will move lots of junk. The trick will be to drain the pipes
enough. You may have to cut into somewhere close to your supply and add a
drain. At the same time add a 1/4 turn ball valve. This will allow you to
turn the water on real fast and let the air and water surge scour the pipe.

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
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"markl" wrote in message
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I have a 35 year old house with copper pipes. Our water has a good bit
of iron and for a long time the people who lived here before us did not
have a water softener. I've opened the lines a few times for various
repairs and find what I believe is buildup of iron. When it's wet it
looks and feels a bit like rusty colored seaweed built up on the walls
of the pipe. Once it dries it turns to very fine rusty powder, about
the consistency of talcum powder, and is easily wiped out or blown
away.

I have normal range at the pressure tank (45-60psi) and good flow rate
at the base of the pressure tank, but many fixtures in the house,
especially the outdoor faucets, have low flow rate.

My question is how can I remove this iron deposit, or whatever it is,
from the inside of the pipes. I've googled this a little and have not
found a description that quite matches what I see inside my pipes.
There are many articles on mineral buildup, crystalline materials, and
all kinds of hard deposits. But my deposits are very soft and easy to
remove. Could I, for example, drain down the whole house piping system,
blow compressed air through the lines starting at the top of the house
to dry out all the lines and then turn the water back on to flush out
the powder? Would this work or would the pipes stay too damp for the
rust to turn into powder?

Any suggestions welcome.

You might just take a look at the fixtures themselves. The house that I'm
living in had a severe flow problem due to rusted galvanized pipes, but
that said the flow increased dramatically from simply replacing the valves
and faucets that had become clogged with rust and mineral deposits. Also,
if the stuff in the copper is like you said not hardened on it should
flush out quickly if flow can be restored. Just a thought.

EXT wrote:
Drain the pipes and then turn the water back on with one of the taps open.
If you can turn the water back on quick enough the surge of water through
the pipes will blow a lot of sediment out the faucet, remember to remove the
screen on the tap or it will immediately clog. Do this repeatedly for each
faucet and you will move lots of junk. The trick will be to drain the pipes
enough. You may have to cut into somewhere close to your supply and add a
drain. At the same time add a 1/4 turn ball valve. This will allow you to
turn the water on real fast and let the air and water surge scour the pipe.

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
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"markl" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a 35 year old house with copper pipes. Our water has a good bit
of iron and for a long time the people who lived here before us did not
have a water softener. I've opened the lines a few times for various
repairs and find what I believe is buildup of iron. When it's wet it
looks and feels a bit like rusty colored seaweed built up on the walls
of the pipe. Once it dries it turns to very fine rusty powder, about
the consistency of talcum powder, and is easily wiped out or blown
away.

I have normal range at the pressure tank (45-60psi) and good flow rate
at the base of the pressure tank, but many fixtures in the house,
especially the outdoor faucets, have low flow rate.

My question is how can I remove this iron deposit, or whatever it is,
from the inside of the pipes. I've googled this a little and have not
found a description that quite matches what I see inside my pipes.
There are many articles on mineral buildup, crystalline materials, and
all kinds of hard deposits. But my deposits are very soft and easy to
remove. Could I, for example, drain down the whole house piping system,
blow compressed air through the lines starting at the top of the house
to dry out all the lines and then turn the water back on to flush out
the powder? Would this work or would the pipes stay too damp for the
rust to turn into powder?

Any suggestions welcome.

You might just take a look at the fixtures themselves. The house that I'm
living in had a severe flow problem due to rusted galvanized pipes, but
that said the flow increased dramatically from simply replacing the valves
and faucets that had become clogged with rust and mineral deposits. Also,
if the stuff in the copper is like you said not hardened on it should
flush out quickly if flow can be restored. Just a thought.


its a interesting problem, i suspect much of the clogs might be right
at the fixtures.valve passages can be small

if regular flushing doesnt help you might try isolating one line and
opening both ends, flush violently with a water compressed air mix. My
vans heater cores clog and thats what the local radiator shop does,
amazing what comes out the exhaust. exhaust the line to outside so you
dont make a mess indoors

I have used acid to fix toilets, do your toilets flush good? i have
found rim holes and internal passages plugged, pour n acid, wait 10
minutes flush normally several times to elminate the acid.

i am not suggesting you flush your lines with acid, just showing the
comparision