Water is backing up under the garage door slightly. The pitch is
essentially level outside the door (not pitching away). Water builds
up during rain and comes under.

Regrading/repaving the driveway is out.

I have thought of two solutions. Which one do you guys think is the
best.

Install a saddle for the door to sit on. Cement it down with Liquid
Nails to provide a waterproof seal. This will not remove a small
(1/4") amount of water against garage trim during the rain, but might
keep the garage inside dry.

Cut the cement apron of garage threshold across the width of the door
and put in a metal drain. I have a sump pump right inside the door.
Could drop a pipe to it through the a slot in the slab (and recement
over pipe). This willl drain the water from the garage threshold area
to the sump.

Thanks,

-Jim

On 26 Apr 2006 07:48:09 -0700, "heckheck" wrote:

Water is backing up under the garage door slightly. The pitch is
essentially level outside the door (not pitching away). Water builds
up during rain and comes under.

Regrading/repaving the driveway is out.

I have thought of two solutions. Which one do you guys think is the
best.

Install a saddle for the door to sit on. Cement it down with Liquid
Nails to provide a waterproof seal. This will not remove a small
(1/4") amount of water against garage trim during the rain, but might
keep the garage inside dry.

Cut the cement apron of garage threshold across the width of the door
and put in a metal drain. I have a sump pump right inside the door.
Could drop a pipe to it through the a slot in the slab (and recement
over pipe). This willl drain the water from the garage threshold area
to the sump.


Most people trench across the driveway/garage-slab intersection,
and put a grill over it, leading the trench off to a drywell
or lower ground.

I had something of the same problem, andt it may not have been as
severe as yours, but I installed an astragal
(http://www.aaaremotes.com/botsealweatf.html) (among other places)
stapling it to the underside of the wooden door. There are
recommendations to install it "backwards" (short lip outside) if the
driveway is higher than the inside of the garage, and I did that and it
worked OK. Gotta keep the sealing area clean, and it didn't keep the
water out during a truly major storm.
On the saddle idea: If the saddle doesn't flex enough, the door will
be in a position that is "open" relative to the bottom end of the
bottom panel (sectional garage door), and if the saddle is tall enough,
then the top of the door will be bowed in (it didn't close all the
way), and in cold winter climes, if your garage is under your house, a
lot of heat will go out the opening at the top. The garage door
astragals are extremely soft rubber and let the door come down far
enough so that the top section still can seal against the rubber at the
top.

Goedjn wrote:
On 26 Apr 2006 07:48:09 -0700, "heckheck" wrote:

Water is backing up under the garage door slightly. The pitch is
essentially level outside the door (not pitching away). Water builds
up during rain and comes under.

Regrading/repaving the driveway is out.

I have thought of two solutions. Which one do you guys think is the
best.

Install a saddle for the door to sit on. Cement it down with Liquid
Nails to provide a waterproof seal. This will not remove a small
(1/4") amount of water against garage trim during the rain, but might
keep the garage inside dry.

Cut the cement apron of garage threshold across the width of the door
and put in a metal drain. I have a sump pump right inside the door.
Could drop a pipe to it through the a slot in the slab (and recement
over pipe). This willl drain the water from the garage threshold area
to the sump.


Most people trench across the driveway/garage-slab intersection,
and put a grill over it, leading the trench off to a drywell
or lower ground.


That would be my first choice too. I think the problem with increasing
the height below the door is that to be effective it may need to be so
high that the door won't fully close properly at the top. If you can
get it to work, then that could be a solution. But it also depends on
if other trim would, etc is then going to still be below water, which
isn't good.

The problem with the sump pump is that it depends on the pump working
and having power. Should you lose power in a storm, the garage could
flood. Still, that could be an option if you can live with the small
chance that the floor could flood on rare occasions. BTW, what is a
sump pump doing in the garage to begin with?

wrote:
Goedjn wrote:

On 26 Apr 2006 07:48:09 -0700, "heckheck" wrote:


Water is backing up under the garage door slightly. The pitch is
essentially level outside the door (not pitching away). Water builds
up during rain and comes under.

Regrading/repaving the driveway is out.

I have thought of two solutions. Which one do you guys think is the
best.

Install a saddle for the door to sit on. Cement it down with Liquid
Nails to provide a waterproof seal. This will not remove a small
(1/4") amount of water against garage trim during the rain, but might
keep the garage inside dry.

Cut the cement apron of garage threshold across the width of the door
and put in a metal drain. I have a sump pump right inside the door.
Could drop a pipe to it through the a slot in the slab (and recement
over pipe). This willl drain the water from the garage threshold area
to the sump.


Most people trench across the driveway/garage-slab intersection,
and put a grill over it, leading the trench off to a drywell
or lower ground.



That would be my first choice too. I think the problem with increasing
the height below the door is that to be effective it may need to be so
high that the door won't fully close properly at the top. If you can
get it to work, then that could be a solution.

You could prolly trim off the bottom of the door if it is wood... G

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."


But it also depends on
if other trim would, etc is then going to still be below water, which
isn't good.

The problem with the sump pump is that it depends on the pump working
and having power. Should you lose power in a storm, the garage could
flood. Still, that could be an option if you can live with the small
chance that the floor could flood on rare occasions. BTW, what is a
sump pump doing in the garage to begin with?

Using a grinder with a 4" diamond blade, could you cut a
v shaped groove or notch the width of the door to drain
water to lower ground?

I'm afraid if you adhere anything under the door, the
stress of driving over it over and over will break it loose.

Almost 20 years ago I tiled a garage floor using brick
pavers (1/2" thick brick), thinsetted with epoxy thinset.
It is still holding up as I see it when I work in the old lady's
neighborhood. A few months ago the door was open so
I asked if I could see it, and sure enough it's still bonded.
Says a lot for epoxy thinset.

thetiler

Jim:
Water is a tricky thing, you can really never keep in out unless you
get the water away from there with drainage. My garage foundation is
3/4" higher than the driveway (step notched), I assume yours is at the
same level. If it is, then water will always collect there, as you've
experienced. So a concrete saddle may be the way to go for you. What
I'd recommend is to build a 3/4" lip right behind the garage door and
then slope it gently (over 3+ foot) into the garage. You can do this
with simple forms and some surface concrete.

In the long run, you need to get the water draining away from there.

good luck, tim1198

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heckheck wrote:
Water is backing up under the garage door slightly. The pitch is
essentially level outside the door (not pitching away). Water builds
up during rain and comes under.

Regrading/repaving the driveway is out.

I have thought of two solutions. Which one do you guys think is the
best.

Install a saddle for the door to sit on. Cement it down with Liquid
Nails to provide a waterproof seal. This will not remove a small
(1/4") amount of water against garage trim during the rain, but might
keep the garage inside dry.

Cut the cement apron of garage threshold across the width of the door
and put in a metal drain. I have a sump pump right inside the door.
Could drop a pipe to it through the a slot in the slab (and recement
over pipe). This willl drain the water from the garage threshold area
to the sump.

Thanks,

-Jim