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features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be
costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? |
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Jack wrote:
features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? Not sure if your donation money makes it into the project - kind of doubtful. There's advertising and the show promotes products, materials and contractors - plenty of bucks in that. The project is in Cambridge, MA and in a great section. The house hadn't had anything done to it in quite some time. I'm not sure how long the owner has lived there, but I gathered it had been a while, so there must have been a fair amount of equity in the property. I don't know what the owner does, but he went to MIT, and we all know they're loaded. Right, Jeff? ;) R |
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A way long time ago, I think on one of their projects they stated the
costs and the break down. The home owners have to put up a certain amount (for that project it was about $50,000) and there were some things donated to them but they had to claim them (the value of them) on their taxes. The show didn't put any money into the project, it only rounded up the small handful of 'donations' from the companies they featured their products for. For example, instead of paying $10,000 for radiant floor heating, the home owner's cost would be around $4,000 with a $6,000 figure being 'donated'. If the home owners would have renovated without TOH, it would have cost about $100,000. Jack wrote: features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? |
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thats how it works, plus the fun of being on tv...
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Question: "This Old House" The Current Project
thats how it works, plus the fun of being on tv...
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Question: "This Old House" The Current Project
thats how it works, plus the fun of being on tv...
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Theres a huge set of payments from any manufacturer who's product gets
mentioned on the show that go to Rus Morash and his merry minions. Not only ius any manufacturer giving away a miniscule amount of product, they are playing a huge "placement fee" to the producers. Not sure if any of that "placement fee" money goes into any hmeowner project, but it does pay the "talaent", such as it is, on the how -- i.e. "Rich" the plumbing guy, "Tom" the contractor guy; "Norm" th whatever guy, "Roger" the landscape guy, and the "host". Morash has made a HUGE amount of money with the franchise, and only a small percentage of that has filtered back to WGBH and less to PBS as a whole. -- Jim McLaughlin Reply address is deliberately munged. If you really need to reply directly, try: jimdotmclaughlinatcomcastdotcom And you know it is a dotnet not a dotcom address. "Dave" wrote in message ... A way long time ago, I think on one of their projects they stated the costs and the break down. The home owners have to put up a certain amount (for that project it was about $50,000) and there were some things donated to them but they had to claim them (the value of them) on their taxes. The show didn't put any money into the project, it only rounded up the small handful of 'donations' from the companies they featured their products for. For example, instead of paying $10,000 for radiant floor heating, the home owner's cost would be around $4,000 with a $6,000 figure being 'donated'. If the home owners would have renovated without TOH, it would have cost about $100,000. Jack wrote: features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? |
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That home owner (George Marby) is very unlikeable and a bit of a whiner. A TV
guide listing of the show describes him as a Bio-Tech Bachelor. I wonder if there are any hamsters crawling around that house .... (Jack) wrote: features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? |
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This current house project is another example why TOH is out of touch with its
viewer base. How many of us could afford the stuff that is going on in this project? And the people who can, don't give a ****... BTW The episode where they visted the high end gourme-=cheese shop was a total waste of 15 mins of my precious life. (Jack) wrote: features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? |
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Jack wrote:
features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? My buddies relative was in one of the older projects before everything became gazillion dollar projects. He blew his budget because the featured stuff that is placed by the manufacturers is all high end. So he had to scale up other stuff to match. |
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Sir Topham Hatt wrote: That home owner (George Marby) is very unlikeable and a bit of a whiner. A TV guide listing of the show describes him as a Bio-Tech Bachelor. I wonder if there are any hamsters crawling around that house .... Also he must be a very rich guy. They installed radiant heating under an outdoor walkway so that he wouldn't have to shovel it in the winter. How much is THAT going to increase his heating cost in the winter? |
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Interesting. I always thought it was something like this, but having to
claim the donated products cost on the owner's taxes never occured to me. Dave wrote: A way long time ago, I think on one of their projects they stated the costs and the break down. The home owners have to put up a certain amount (for that project it was about $50,000) and there were some things donated to them but they had to claim them (the value of them) on their taxes. The show didn't put any money into the project, it only rounded up the small handful of 'donations' from the companies they featured their products for. For example, instead of paying $10,000 for radiant floor heating, the home owner's cost would be around $4,000 with a $6,000 figure being 'donated'. If the home owners would have renovated without TOH, it would have cost about $100,000. Jack wrote: features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? |
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Jack wrote:
features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. I have the same proble with all of the renovation shows on HGTV, etc. My wife loves to watch them, and I've got to admin that they're kind of interesting, but watching a couple of hours of this stuff makes me feel like an utter failure. After all, if you can't afford a $20,000 bathroom and a $50,000 kitchen, you're life has obviously been wasted! -- ================================================== ====================== Ian Pilcher ================================================== ====================== |
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"Sir Topham Hatt" wrote in message ... This current house project is another example why TOH is out of touch with its viewer base. How many of us could afford the stuff that is going on in this project? And the people who can, don't give a ****... BTW The episode where they visted the high end gourme-=cheese shop was a total waste of 15 mins of my precious life. or no longer bother to watch the show!! |
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Jack wrote: features renovation of a modern house in Cambridge MA, and, it must be costing $$$MILLIONS! The house features all kinds of labor-intensive details. Who pays for this? The program, which is partly funded by our donations? Or the home owner? The program producers get some products free (donated) or at a discount (so their products will be shown on TV), the owner has a budget and pays a lot of the cost. TOH has often emphasized very large, expensive projects - remember when they rebuilt Tommy's brother's house from the ground up? The new one was really big. Some of that cost came from the insurance money (the house burned down), but given the differences between old and new, I'd say the new one was at least twice the insurance. Or the Vermont barn they did - no expense spared, really - or the pianist's house - same story. I think for many of these, the "renovation" budget is in the hundreds of thousands. N. |
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Nancy1 wrote:
TOH has often emphasized very large, expensive projects - remember when they rebuilt Tommy's brother's house from the ground up? The new one was really big. Some of that cost came from the insurance money (the house burned down), but given the differences between old and new, I'd say the new one was at least twice the insurance. Or the Vermont barn they did - no expense spared, really - or the pianist's house - same story. I think for many of these, the "renovation" budget is in the hundreds of thousands. There was an early one, back when Bob Vila was the host, where the renovated an old farmhouse for a young couple. The last few episodes, you didn't see the homeowners any more, and at the end Bob sort of casually mentioned that they'd planned to spend $100,000 and it had been closer to $200,000. It came out in the paper later that the homeowners were really steamed about the whole situation, 100 grand is fair amount of money now, 15 years ago it was a LOT of money. After that, it seemed like they emphasized sticking to the budget more. I haven't watched the show in years, so I can't comment on how they do it these days. Brian -- If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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Brian is right on about the "stink" over one of Bob Villa's TOH
projects (if not more than one) BV & TOH was featured in a Wall Street Journal article YEARS AGO & may have been the beginning of the end for BV with TOH. IMO BV was more concerned about self promotion than doing a good job for the "client". cheers Bob |
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Mikey wrote:
Sir Topham Hatt wrote: That home owner (George Marby) is very unlikeable and a bit of a whiner. A TV guide listing of the show describes him as a Bio-Tech Bachelor. I wonder if there are any hamsters crawling around that house .... Also he must be a very rich guy. They installed radiant heating under an outdoor walkway so that he wouldn't have to shovel it in the winter. How much is THAT going to increase his heating cost in the winter? Probably no more than paying someone to shovel it. If you get a lot of snow, I 'll be the radiant driveway ends up cheap. |
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Keith-
I agree witht the basics of your post as well as the conclusion (move & store snow in frozen form but I have always thought 12" of snow equaled 1" of water If so you cacls are somewhat off Also the heated walks / drives I am familair with Mammoth Lakes, CA) are turned on when the snow starts so you're not dealing all the snow at once but as it comes down, So the melted water flow away via "normal drainage" Bottom line is........... if melting snow was cost effective there would be more snow melting insallations & few snow blowers throwers. Last year we got 10ft in week, my fuel bill wsa high enough with a drive melter. :) cheers Bob )In article iuaAf.16$Jn1.5@trndny01, says... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mikey wrote: Sir Topham Hatt wrote: That home owner (George Marby) is very unlikeable and a bit of a whiner. A TV guide listing of the show describes him as a Bio-Tech Bachelor. I wonder if there are any hamsters crawling around that house .... Also he must be a very rich guy. They installed radiant heating under an outdoor walkway so that he wouldn't have to shovel it in the winter. How much is THAT going to increase his heating cost in the winter? Probably no more than paying someone to shovel it. If you get a lot of snow, I 'll be the radiant driveway ends up cheap. Let's see... breaking out the web search engine Assume: a 20' x 50' driveway = 1000sq.ft. 6" snow = ~1" water (frozen) = 170cu.ft. ice 63 lbs/cu ft. = 1E4 lb 450 gm / lb. = 4.7E6 g Latent heat of freezing 80cal/g = 3.7E8 cal 1 cal = .004 BTU = 1.5E6 BTU 140k btu/gallon = 10.8 gallons of oil Unless I've screwed something up (likely) about eleven gallons of oil or about $30, assuming no heat is lost to the atmosphere (big assumption given 1000sq.ft. surface) and 100% efficient heat transfer. Now where are you going to put 700ish gallons of water that's just ready to freeze again? ;-) By contrast a snow blower uses about a pint of gasoline and piles the still frozen water neatly out of the way until spring. ;-)) |
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Ian Pilcher wrote:
I have the same proble with all of the renovation shows on HGTV, etc. My wife loves to watch them, and I've got to admin that they're kind of interesting, but watching a couple of hours of this stuff makes me feel like an utter failure. There is no "reality" on television. The medium turns everything it touches into entertainment, which usually means fantasy and bull****. |
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That home owner (George Marby) is very unlikeable and a bit of a
whiner. A TV guide listing of the show describes him as a Bio-Tech Bachelor. I wonder if there are any hamsters crawling around that house .... Actually I think george is great! What show were you watching? It sure isnt TOH with georges contemporary home... |
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often emphasized very large, expensive projects - remember when
they rebuilt Tommy's brother's house from the ground up? The new one was really big. Some of that cost came from the insurance money (the house burned down), but given the differences between old and new, I'd say the new one was at least twice the insurance. Or the Vermont barn Contractors percentage around here is often said to be about 1/3 of the total job cost, and had a friend with a major home fire insurance allowed that. so dick silvas house literally burned down and tom waived the contractor fee or part of its 33% giving that back to his brother towards a nicer home. meanwhile dick got lots of donations, and got paid $ to rebuild his own home on tv. TOH got a big show out of it. win win for everyone and even dick silva got bit by the budget. they installed the radiant floor lines in the basement but no boiler, it was left for the future. there were other things like this. frankly the big budget doesnt bug me, since its way more interesting than cnverting a garage into a bedroom there are lots of DIY network shows like that.... |
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Default User wrote:
There was an early one, back when Bob Vila was the host, where the renovated an old farmhouse for a young couple. The last few episodes, you didn't see the homeowners any more, and at the end Bob sort of casually mentioned that they'd planned to spend $100,000 and it had been closer to $200,000. It came out in the paper later that the homeowners were really steamed about the whole situation, 100 grand is fair amount of money now, 15 years ago it was a LOT of money. After that, it seemed like they emphasized sticking to the budget more. I haven't watched the show in years, so I can't comment on how they do it these days. There were two others that got testy - the Salem house where the zoning board made the homeowner cry, and the London townhouse where they had to rebuild the newly installed steel roof structure due to some zoning code or other and the budget got blown to hell and back. I think they must write into the contract that for the owner to get the discounts or freebies they have to smile for the camera. R |
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Sir Topham Hatt wrote:
This current house project is another example why TOH is out of touch with its viewer base. Actually, they are in touch with the PBS viewer base. The show is an example of why PBS has become irrelevant. |
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Keith Williams wrote:
Assume: a 20' x 50' driveway = 1000sq.ft. 6" snow = ~1" water (frozen) = 170cu.ft. ice .... 20x50x1/12 = 83 ft^3. 63 lbs/cu ft. = 1E4 lb 5250 lb (actually less, since ice is less dense than water.) 450 gm / lb. = 4.7E6 g Latent heat of freezing 80cal/g = 3.7E8 cal 1 cal = .004 BTU = 1.5E6 BTU .... 5250x144 = 756K Btu, eg 756K/(55-32) = 32869 lb (522 ft^3) of groundwater cooling from 55 to 32 F. Now where are you going to put 700ish gallons of water that's just ready to freeze again? ;-) Back in the 4' deep x 50' long x 522/50/4 = 2.6' wide stone-filled trench with an EPDM liner on one side of the driveway, where it can warm up to 55 F and get pumped over the driveway to melt the next batch of snow :-) Nick |
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RicodJour wrote:
Default User wrote: There was an early one, back when Bob Vila was the host, where the renovated an old farmhouse for a young couple. The last few episodes, you didn't see the homeowners any more, and at the end Bob sort of casually mentioned that they'd planned to spend $100,000 and it had been closer to $200,000. It came out in the paper later that the homeowners were really steamed about the whole situation, 100 grand is fair amount of money now, 15 years ago it was a LOT of money. After that, it seemed like they emphasized sticking to the budget more. I haven't watched the show in years, so I can't comment on how they do it these days. There were two others that got testy - the Salem house where the zoning board made the homeowner cry, and the London townhouse where they had to rebuild the newly installed steel roof structure due to some zoning code or other and the budget got blown to hell and back. I think they must write into the contract that for the owner to get the discounts or freebies they have to smile for the camera. I remember them both. In the case of the Salem house, a member of the heritage board referred to the woman homeowner - who was several months pregnant - as "waddling" into their town. I was sure someone was going to get punched out after that incident. Of course the solution the show had come up with to a rather serious parking problem was at best tricky and at worst potentially dangerous. The London apartment was a more inexcusable case. A British contractor _should_ have known that there are severe restrictions as to what you can do to a listed heritage building like the one they were working on (probably class 2 - you can not alter the exterior of a class 1 building at all). One of these is that you can't substantially alter building profiles, but this designer decided "oh yeah, we can get away with not replicating the original Mansard style roof and just put up what amounts to a flat wall". Then to compound matters, nobody even bothered to wait for planning approval. You can bet there were law suits ready to fly on that one, particularly since one of the homeowners was a lawyer. -- Brent McKee My TV Blog -- http://childoftv.blogspot.com/ To reply by email, please remove the capital letters (S and N) from the email address "If we cease to judge this world, we may find ourselves, very quickly, in one which is infinitely worse." - Margaret Atwood "Nothing is more dangerous than a dogmatic worldview - nothing more constraining, more blinding to innovation, more destructive of openness to novelty. " - Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) |
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Mikey wrote:
Also he must be a very rich guy. They installed radiant heating under an outdoor walkway so that he wouldn't have to shovel it in the winter. How much is THAT going to increase his heating cost in the winter? Not nearly as much as you might think, but in any event it's a drop in the bucket when you're spending a couple hundred grand for a staircase. http://www.concretenetwork.com/concr...tems/costs.htm R |
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D4 wrote:
They ought to change the name of the show to to "The Ultra-rich Remodel." I was thinking "Construction Projects of the Rich and Famous" or "This Gold House". None of their projects are practical any more. Ask This Old House is their practical program. TOH itself has become a "behind the scenes at Disneyland" show. |
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I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom. Morash has made a HUGE amount of money with the franchise, and only a small percentage of that has filtered back to WGBH and less to PBS as a whole. That is why I will never donate. Also the ads -- My boss said I was dumb and apathetic. I said I don't know and I don't care... Tekkie |
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Sir Topham Hatt posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom. That home owner (George Marby) is very unlikeable and a bit of a whiner. A TV guide listing of the show describes him as a Bio-Tech Bachelor. I wonder if there are any hamsters crawling around that house .... Sounds like sewage to me... bio-tech -- My boss said I was dumb and apathetic. I said I don't know and I don't care... Tekkie |
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Sir Topham Hatt posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom. BTW The episode where they visted the high end gourme-=cheese shop was a total waste of 15 mins of my precious life. So you are lactose intolerant ;~) -- My boss said I was dumb and apathetic. I said I don't know and I don't care... Tekkie |
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in article , Tekkie® at
wrote on 1/23/06 7:11 PM: posted for all of us... I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom. Morash has made a HUGE amount of money with the franchise, and only a small percentage of that has filtered back to WGBH and less to PBS as a whole. That is why I will never donate. Also the ads And so many many many other reasons. |
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I remember reading an article in the Wall Street Journal over ten years
ago about how some of the projects had turned into mini disasters. Seems it took a lot longer than anyone would have thought and the homeowners wound up spending like 2X what they thought they would, even with all the discounted or free materials. |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:11:44 -0500, Tekkie®
wrote: posted for all of us... I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom. Morash has made a HUGE amount of money with the franchise, and only a small percentage of that has filtered back to WGBH and less to PBS as a whole. That is why I will never donate. Also the ads I remember listening to a PBS radio station (sometime in the eighties). I heard a relative getting a gift membership for "Sam Lloyd" (the cat). -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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