It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil

--
Phil Munro Dept of Electrical & Computer Engin
Youngstown State University
Youngstown, Ohio 44555

Phil Munro writes:

It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil

A lot of these people are on Google Groups where they see
whole threads.

The rest are just clueless.

There's a page on Google where you can ask them to implement
quoting as default behavior. It's a simple form to fill
out.

A lot of these people are on Google Groups where they see
whole threads.

The rest are just clueless.

There's a page on Google where you can ask them to implement
quoting as default behavior. It's a simple form to fill
out.

Google groups used to auto-quote. That stopped being automatic awhile
back. I would suppose that is accounting for the upswing.

To "quote" from google groups, you need to click on the show options
"option" in the post you want to quote and then click on the blue
"reply" link at the top of the box that opens.....It's explained in the
Help section of google groups....

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:26:28 -0500, Phil Munro
wrote:

It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

dave y. wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:26:28 -0500, Phil Munro
wrote:


It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?
I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil

--
Phil Munro Dept of Electrical & Computer Engin
Youngstown State University
Youngstown, Ohio 44555

Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue

there's a bunch of weather websites where you enter the city for local
weather reports.



"Palindr˜»me" wrote in message
...
Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to
be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and they
are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue

bill allemann wrote:
there's a bunch of weather websites where you enter the city for local
weather reports.

Thanks.

I have - but they aren't what I expected. Everyone has told me January
in Ohio is all snow and bitterly cold but the present forecasts look
positively balmy.

So I was just looking for some local input and a post from someone who
looked to be in the neighbourhood looked a good opportunity to find out.

Sorry.

--
Sue

In article , sb382638
@hotmail.com.invalid says...
Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to be..

Yes, Euclid is a 'burb of Cleveland and about 80mi. from
Youngstown. Weather? What time of day?

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Quite different. Myrtle Beach is 700mi south (a little east).

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

No alcohol Naw! I live about 700mi north-east of Euclid and so
far this winter it's been fairly warm (maybe 40F warmer than last
year today). Who knows what it'll be in a couple of weeks though.
Cleveland is on Lake Erie so tends to get "lake-effect snow", so
some snow can be expected if you're there for any time.

--
Keith

--
Keith

Keith Williams wrote:
In article , sb382638
@hotmail.com.invalid says...

Phil Munro wrote:
snip

Why don't you just use Agent as a newsreader?

I use what I use, and since my life does not revolve around the few
news groups I scan, I continue to go with what I use -- which does a
lot of things nicely. But let's not get into what we all should be
using for our browsers/readers. Rather, it is a normal thing to give
a reference to thread info, I think.
As always, thanks to all who comment on this. --Phil


Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to be..


Yes, Euclid is a 'burb of Cleveland and about 80mi. from
Youngstown. Weather? What time of day?


Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.


Quite different. Myrtle Beach is 700mi south (a little east).


Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..


No alcohol Naw! I live about 700mi north-east of Euclid and so
far this winter it's been fairly warm (maybe 40F warmer than last
year today). Who knows what it'll be in a couple of weeks though.
Cleveland is on Lake Erie so tends to get "lake-effect snow", so
some snow can be expected if you're there for any time.


Thanks. Your last paragraph explains things perfectly. I was finding it
hard to reconcile the apparent weather with what I had been told. If it
is 40F warmer than a year ago, that explains a lot. Wow. That is some
difference.

Dragging back memories of school geography, I thought the big US
continental land mass meant that weather conditions tended to have
short-term stability and so the weather in a couple of weeks time will
be much the same as it is now..

--
Sue

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to
be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue

Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to
be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue


The short answer is no. Cleveland, Euclid and the other suburbs to the
East and Northeast of Cleveland are called "the snow belt". they get "lake
effect" precipitation and generally have a worse time of it then West and
South.
In general when you travel south, even as little as Akron the winter weather
tends to be milder.

the better answer is who knows? we tend to get severe blizzards in February.
bring a coat and gloves.

TimPerry wrote:
Is Youngstown near enough to Euclid to have the same weather? I only ask
as I am due to go to a wedding there in a couple of weeks (..never the
blushing bride, I know) and wondered how cold/wet/snowy it is going to

be..

Yes, I have asked the family - but I only know the bride's family and
they are from Myrtle Beach, where the weather is different. IIUC.

Their versions seem to range from "Scott of the Antarctic" - needing
snowshoes and huskies - to "USN Date" - where three pairs of tights and
not drinking alchohol will, apparently, provide enough protection ( most
of the time)..

--
Sue



The short answer is no. Cleveland, Euclid and the other suburbs to the
East and Northeast of Cleveland are called "the snow belt". they get "lake
effect" precipitation and generally have a worse time of it then West and
South.
In general when you travel south, even as little as Akron the winter weather
tends to be milder.

the better answer is who knows? we tend to get severe blizzards in February.
bring a coat and gloves.


Thanks everyone.

I have settled on the "Scott of the Antarctic" look, sans snow-shoes. I
don't intend to pack that much as I assume that shops there will have a
better range of suitable clothing than those in Devon, UK.

I was planning to hire a car and drive up to see friends in Toronto -
but will leave the decision on that until I get to Euclid. The
temperature there seems to have fallen 20 degrees in a week.

For those that have despaired over my wanderings OT for the group - I
apologise. But I have always been of the conviction that, if you wan't
to know the reality and not the wishful thinking, ask an engineer...

--
Sue

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:07:21 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:

I use what I use,

You should place at least ONE blank line between what was quoted, and
your CRAP.

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:44:37 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:07:21 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:

I use what I use,

You should place at least ONE blank line between what was quoted, and
your CRAP.

Yes. No blank line often confuses newsreaders (such as Agent) that try
to identify quoted text and show it in a different color from the new
text.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

It's easy. Just top post and snip all the relevent text.

Then crosspost, ya moron.

Steve ;-)

But, ... , see? ... WHO is the moron you are replying to? Is it I,
or is it someone else?
And, you are right that editing replys is always important, but taking
out EVERYTHING can make it imposible to follow the thread sometimes.
--Phil

Steve B wrote:

It's easy. Just top post and snip all the relevent text.

Then crosspost, ya moron.

Steve ;-)


--
Phil Munro Dept of Electrical & Computer Engin
Youngstown State University
Youngstown, Ohio 44555

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:


But, ... , see?


Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick, you should NEVER top post in Usenet.

It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:45:49 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:


But, ... , see?


Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick,

No one has ever explained "nitpicking" in any way that makes any
sense. It' just one of the weapons used in verbal assault.

you should NEVER top post in Usenet.


Top-posting is a convenience for users, who don't want to have to
scroll down. If you think that's just a minor thing, you haven't read
a group with hundreds of new (bottom-posted) replies every time.

Actually, I prefer posting in the appropriate places (with at least
SOME of the reply in the first screenful). However, in a comparison of
posting at the top and all at the bottom, all it the top is much
preferable. This is based on actual experience, not mindless following
of (non-justified) rules.

It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

In article , Mark Lloyd says...

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 03:45:49 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:


But, ... , see?


Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick,

No one has ever explained "nitpicking" in any way that makes any
sense. It' just one of the weapons used in verbal assault.

you should NEVER top post in Usenet.


Top-posting is a convenience for users, who don't want to have to
scroll down. If you think that's just a minor thing, you haven't read
a group with hundreds of new (bottom-posted) replies every time.

Actually, I prefer posting in the appropriate places (with at least
SOME of the reply in the first screenful). However, in a comparison of
posting at the top and all at the bottom, all it the top is much
preferable. This is based on actual experience, not mindless following
of (non-justified) rules.

If you trim the replies correctly, though, that isn't a problem.

It's best to bottom post to keep the events in order, but also trim out what's
too old to be directly relevant.

If some folks bottom post, and some top post, the quoted conversation loses
coherence. So there has to be some kind of convention. Like it not, the
convention is to bottom post and trim the quoted lines.

Banty

Banty

"Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:


But, ... , see?


Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick, you should NEVER top post in Usenet.

It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.


There are many newsgroups (the Jeep ones for a set of examples) that prefer
top-posting. 'Never' is just the wrong word..........
Tomes

"Tomes" wrote in message
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:
: "Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in
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: ...
: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro

: Gave us:
:
:
: But, ... , see?
:
:
: Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick, you should NEVER top post in
Usenet.
:
: It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.
:
:
: There are many newsgroups (the Jeep ones for a set of examples)
that prefer
: top-posting. 'Never' is just the wrong word..........
: Tomes
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It "always" is! g

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:32:24 GMT, "Tomes" Gave us:


"Roy L. Fuchs" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:48:53 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:


But, ... , see?


Also, Mr. Nit****ingPick, you should NEVER top post in Usenet.

It ain't your ****ing e-mail, boy.


There are many newsgroups (the Jeep ones for a set of examples) that prefer
top-posting. 'Never' is just the wrong word..........
Tomes


No. Coming up with "sets" of groups that were so retarded that they
had to declare themselves "different" is just wrong.

It is ALT. Get used to it. Don't try to warp it. Ye be warped.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:26:28 -0500, Phil Munro
Gave us:

It is really hard



That's what *SHE* said...

"Phil Munro" wrote in message
...
It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

It is normal, expected, and helpful for follow-up postings to include
enough of the previous thread to give explanation of the topic. I am
posting this only to help those who are not (yet) aware of what they
are doing. Thanks for reading. --Phil


Here is what I do Phil. I use the View: Hide Read Messages (which is what I
suspect you are doing, although it might carry a different naming). If I
wish to go back into an already read part of the thread I simply change the
view to Show All Messages. Easy as cake.
Hoping this might help,
Tomes
(who wishes that top posting was the norm in _these_ NGs as it makes the
most sense to me)

Tomes wrote:
"Phil Munro" wrote in message
...

It is really hard to follow a lot of posts these days from people who
do not include at least part of the posts they are replying to.

My news reader does not make it easy for me to find those posts. When
I've marked posts as "read", they do not show again -- without some
effort. And the idea of news group postings is to be able to scan as
quickly as possible.

I use Mozilla Thunderbird and i think it would reduce your problems,
and it's free... it integrates with Firefox perfectly which is also free.

-bob