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"Jim McLaughlin" jim.mclaughlin wrote in message news There's a home repair radio show around here (Portland, Oregon) where a guy touts a dry mixture, 1/3 each by volume, of boraxo, baker's yeast and powdered confectioners sugar, well mixed . Says to put it on small plastic tops from things like a Planters nuts can in areas where the ants appear. Guy claims that the sugar and to a certain extent the yeast attract the critters who march through the stuff and bring the sugar and yeast and borax back to the nests / colonies / hives whatever. The ants eat the east which with a little moisture expands the yeast and kills the ants, as does the boraxx on their bodies. I've never tried it and have no idea if it works, but it sure souds like a good theory. For years all we've ever used for ant control is equal parts of Borax and confectioners sugar, applied with a dollar store catsup squeeze bottle with a nozzle. Never heard of the yeast being added though. Liz |
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Charles Spitzer wrote:
"Keith Williams" wrote in message T... In article , says... "Joseph Meehan" wrote in message My source says Borax is Na2B4O7-10H2O, Hydrated sodium borate Boric acid is H3BO3 Now I'm all confused. Acids to me are liquid. The formula I saw for ant poison mantioned Boric Acid in powder (or similar). Not all acids are liquid. Tannic Acid is another dry acid. another is oxalic acid, used by woodworkers to neutralize tannic acid. How does one acid "neutralize" another? Mabye a scouting trip is needed to see what's what. -- Keith -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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Somewhere further down thread a poster was talking about "protein" ants
and "sugar" ants and that bait for one would not work on the other. I wonder if the yeastpart is to add a "protein" component to the cncoction so that it would work on either variety of ant? Like I said, I've never used the recipie, but have heard this homeowner's advice guy on a local radio station recommend it for years. -- Jim McLaughlin Reply address is deliberately munged. If you really need to reply directly, try: jimdotmclaughlinatcomcastdotcom And you know it is a dotnet not a dotcom address. "Liz" wrote in message ... "Jim McLaughlin" jim.mclaughlin wrote in message news There's a home repair radio show around here (Portland, Oregon) where a guy touts a dry mixture, 1/3 each by volume, of boraxo, baker's yeast and powdered confectioners sugar, well mixed . Says to put it on small plastic tops from things like a Planters nuts can in areas where the ants appear. Guy claims that the sugar and to a certain extent the yeast attract the critters who march through the stuff and bring the sugar and yeast and borax back to the nests / colonies / hives whatever. The ants eat the east which with a little moisture expands the yeast and kills the ants, as does the boraxx on their bodies. I've never tried it and have no idea if it works, but it sure souds like a good theory. For years all we've ever used for ant control is equal parts of Borax and confectioners sugar, applied with a dollar store catsup squeeze bottle with a nozzle. Never heard of the yeast being added though. Liz |
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Keith Williams wrote:
In article , says... Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. The grocery store (think Borax). Borax isn't boric acid. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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RichK wrote:
Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Rich Drug store. Maybe supermarket. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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With all the effective ant sprays why brew your own?
I was selling a home and the buyer complained there were ants outdoors... yep thats where they live... er lived. one gallon of ant spray in a pump container with a sprayer did them in almost instantly. I actually felt bad the ants werrent causing any problem and are normal part of environment. but it was a big issue for buyer So I HAD to wipe them out |
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With all the effective ant sprays why brew your own?
I was selling a home and the buyer complained there were ants outdoors... yep thats where they live... er lived. one gallon of ant spray in a pump container with a sprayer did them in almost instantly. I actually felt bad the ants werrent causing any problem and are normal part of environment. but it was a big issue for buyer So I HAD to wipe them out |
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With all the effective ant sprays why brew your own?
I was selling a home and the buyer complained there were ants outdoors... yep thats where they live... er lived. one gallon of ant spray in a pump container with a sprayer did them in almost instantly. I actually felt bad the ants werrent causing any problem and are normal part of environment. but it was a big issue for buyer So I HAD to wipe them out |
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dadiOH wrote:
RichK wrote: Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Rich Drug store. Maybe supermarket. As another poster pointed out, many drug stores have morphed into something more like old time general stores, but a decent one should still have Boric Acid. It's used as an eye wash. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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RichK wrote:
Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Rich There is almost always an inexpensive, generic boric acid and sugar ant bait at hardware and home stores. Works very well, and can be adapted for grease ants. |
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In article , Keith Williams wrote:
In article , says... Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. The grocery store (think Borax). Try again. Borax is sodium borate, not boric acid. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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In article , "RichK" wrote:
Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Try a pharmacy. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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In article , Keith Williams wrote:
In article , says... Thanks Keith, "Keith Williams" wrote in message Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. The grocery store (think Borax). Would have never made the connection. Is Borax a 100% boric acid. It was at one time. I suspect it still is (the stuff is cheap to make). Look at a box. Wrong. It isn't boric acid, and it never was. It's sodium borate. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Well, it used to be on the shelves of every drugstore. But now that drugstores are stocked with toys, food, liquor, holiday decorations, hardware, etc. etc. I don't really know if you can buy it there or not. Sure Drug Storesa sell Boric Acid.... if not in stock then they can get in in 24 hours usually.. I am a semi retired Pharmacist...and I do have to agree with you on selling toys food and Liquor...mainly because there is no profit in filling Rx's anymore... PERIOD... Honestly with most Insuirance companies paying less then 5 dollars above the cost of an RX and not paying for the containers, labels etc it is extremely rare to even get a GROSS profit of 15 percent... Toys produce 50 percent profit margins, food & Liquuor slightly less. Enjoy and sometimes I wish they sold Liquor where I work one evening a week because I need a stiff dribk after dealing with Insuramnce proplems... Ever try to get a new Medicare Rx thru the system? oh make that drink a double... Bob G. |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:01:16 GMT, – Colonel –
wrote: On 2006-01-13 15:01:51 -0500, Keith Williams said: The grocery store (think Borax). Would have never made the connection. Is Borax a 100% boric acid. No, it's mostly sodium borate, but I know from experience that both work. I think Boraxo powerdered hand soap/clearner is a lot more expensive that boric acid, if only because it's sold for people and not for roaches. I haven't compared prices however.. You can also buy boric acid in 1-pound yellow plastic squeeze bottles, labeled as "Roach Killer," in most dollar stores. Before there were dollar stores, I used boric acid for roaches. Worked pretty well, and I didn't bother to put it where it showed. Only behind the stove (which was also the pathway to the rest of the apartment.) I still needed a can of liquid with a squirter to get into other places, like peeling wall paper. The peeling was small and high and didn't bother me, but the roaches lived in the cracks. Finally bombed them and they all died. Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let me know if you have posted also. |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:40:50 -0500, "RichK" wrote:
Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. What would you mix it from? Boron and hydrogen? Rich Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let me know if you have posted also. |
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In article 2006011410470750073-nobody@verizonnet, ?B?4oCTIENvbG9uZWwg4oCT?= wrote:
On 2006-01-14 10:20:39 -0500, Lar said: since there are roughly 14175 milligrams in a tablespoon a tablespoon of boric acid weighs a HALF OUNCE??? i don't know where you get YOUR boric acid (Department of Energy, maybe?) but MY boric acid weighs about FOUR grams/Tbsp., not 14. Actually, you're *both* wrong. The density of boric acid is 2.486 g/cc. One tablespoon = 14.78 cc. Thus one tablespoon of boric acid has a mass of slighly less than 6 grams. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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In article , Lar wrote:
Well, assuming you are familiar with a number all chemicals are given which will allow them to be compared to other chemicals.. the LD50 is how many milligrams of a chemical that it takes to kill 50% of test subjects per 1 kilogram. The smaller the number the more toxic. I.E. 1 tablespoon of boric acid (LD50 2660) is more toxic than a tablespoon consisting table salt (LD50 3700). With BA having a LD50 of 2660 it is easy enough to figure out since there are roughly 14175 milligrams in a tablespoon, just under 1/5 (2660 mg) is enough to have a 50% chance of killing a 2.2 lb (or 1 kilogram) creature. Try again. One tablespoon is 14.78 cc. Boric acid weighs 2.486 g/cc, or slightly less than 6 grams per tablespoon -- not fourteen. You're also ignoring the fact that the LD50 varies from species to species, in some cases considerably. LD50 numbers are *never* expressed simply as "LD50" by those who understand what they mean: invariably, they are expressed as "LD50 in mice", "... in rabbits", or in whatever species was tested. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:40:50 -0500, "RichK"
wrote: Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Here, in great central valley of California (Mediteranian climate), I bought a white, plastic bottle, with spout-tip, of "Boric Acid Roach Killer III" (1 pound, powder), branded "PIC Corporation", www.pic-corp.com Linden, N.J. I bought this because I could have *sworn* that the "Terro(c) Ant Killer" liquid that I had been buying, listed the active ingredient as boric acid. But now, after buying more Terro, I see the Active Ingredient is listed as: Sodium Tetraborate Decohydrate (borax) 5.40% Terro comes from: Senoret Chemical Company, Inc. St. Louis, MO 63122 www.terro.com I've had good results with the Terro stuff, when I take a few extra steps, to stave off the autumn onslaught of the small (1/8 inch), black, Argentinian (I think) invaders. Every fall, when the first cold rain comes to the valley, these little guys panic. I think it's because they don't do well in the cold--they slow down as the temp gets down to 50F, and get really stiff and slow when it gets near 40F. A good freeze (rare here), will decimate a colony that hasn't found a protected location, and they don't seem to be adapted to that situation. And cold rain is just too much for them, so they have to find good shelter. So a nice warm, dry house is just the ticket. They can probably make do in the ground, but a house is better. They are so small, a bread-crum is a big deal to them, and there's usually enough stuff like that on my kitchen floor to create a real harvest. And if I've gotten lazy, and left some dirty dishes lying around, I've provided them with enough bounty to cause the population of their colony to quadruple or more. I think that a lot of food causes the queens to just eat and poop eggs--fast. An unprotected, outside garbage can can cause a colony of thousands to blow up into millions, spinning off new colonies that need someplace to go--like my house. These little buggers don't do the normal fly and mate thing, they mate right in the colony, and multiple queens are the norm. And they seem to have no predators in this area, except maybe for me. Give them ample food, and they'll reproduce like... well... people! I *suspect* that a sudden, unlimited increase in their food supply can cause a doubling of the colony population in 5 days. An r-rated species, on steroids! That's part of their species survival strategy--they form huge colonies, food permitting, spin off additional queens and colonies, and remain cooperative amongs the colonies. They seem to feast on anything that I eat, be it sweet or fat, milk or honey, bread or cereal. Not so sure about vegetables, tho. Here, they are one of the most invasive, exotic ant species. Even tho it seems impossible for a human to feel any kind of bite from them, they will eliminate every other ant species wherever they are able to make a living. I've read that their communal colonies can stretch accross counties, and that they will invade other ant colonies and even bee-hives, killing or driving off their inhabitants by sheer numbers, sometimes losing *millions* of their own in the process. I have no qualms about trying to exterpate them wherever I can. One time, they were making tracks across my garage floor, from one corner to the opposite--about twenty feet of trail, about 6 or 8 abreast, on average. I decided to experiment by vacuuming them up with the shop-vac. I sucked up the entire trail, repeating the process about every two (waking) hours for three days. That's when I noticed the odor in the garage. When I popped the lid off the shop-vac, it was about six inches deep in these tiny buggers, and the stench was amazing! Now I wish I had scouped some into a small, graduated container, and counted the contents. Then I could have done some more word to get a real estimate of the number in that shop-vac. If I try to imagine how many would be in a cubic inch, by first imagining how many there would be in the top 1/10th of the cubic inch, I'd guess around 5,000/ci. The inside diameter of the vac canister is about 16.5". So 16.5" x 6" gives a volume of a little over 408 ci. So that's something like 2,042,000 ants. The track accross the garage was still going, not quite as strong as at first. That's the first time that I'm aware of having killed over 2 million of anything. So here's what I do. First of all, I try to make sure that I'm not providing them with *any* food. I periodically check the garbage can, and if I see Argentinians getting into it, I spray it down with soapy water, and the same for any trails leading away from it, for as far as I can follow them. I *try* to keep my house clean, but when I see the first storm approaching in the fall, I go on a real cleaning binge. Cereal boxes and the like get moved into the fridge (they can chew thru the cardboard and plastic bags to get the cereal). When I see the first intruders, I put out the boric acid-based (or borax-based) baits as close to the point of entry as I can get it. I try to make sure that the *only* edible thing they can find on my property is either a natural food source, or my baits. And if it's cold and pouring rain, they probably aren't going to be getting any natural foods, especially if they've moved their colonies into my house walls or attic. I'm just starting to experiment with making my own baits, so have no data to offer there. A few years ago, the Terro folks started offering their mix in exquisitely-designed plastic traps. The design is good, because it limits the air-flow past the liquid, and extends the dry-out time. They also have a perfect little ramp for the ants to walk up, to get into the bait-well. That's probably a moot point, as these ants will find anything that tastes good, anywhere you put it, except for the refridgerator. I think the traps cost around $5 US for a box of six traps. Being a tight-wad, I'm going to try rinsing out the used traps and putting my own mix in. Quite a few ants will be so overtaken with the bounty of the bait that they seem to drown in the liquid, and the stuff tends to dry out a bit over time, so it's a real pain to get them cleaned up. I've done this to a couple of traps so far, but they both ended up leaking, so I might just go back to putting the mix on plastic lids, squares of cardboard, or whatever is available. It's also quite a trick to get the liquid *into* the traps. With factory Terro traps, used against a colony of Argentinians without a good food supply, the results can come fast. I've seen the traps get swarmed with thousands of ants, and within around three hours, I can tell that something is amis--they just aren't moving like they were at first. After twelve hours, the numbers are starting to drop noticably. After 24 hours, there's just a slow trickle, and they're not scouting the rest of the house anymore. At one week, there are still a few dozen ants going for the bait, but no ants in the rest of the house, and the ones going for the bait are not moving so good. This fall, I managed to almost completely keep them out of my larders, and quickly put the baits out when assault started. Just putting out two of the Terro traps (one at each of the two entry-points) halted the invasion, and I think the colony involved must've gotten hit pretty hard by the poison--it's been a month since I've seen one anywhere but in the traps, or going directly to/from the traps. Geez, how'd I get started on this, anyway? ;-) Bottom line for this species: don't let 'em eat anything but poisoned bait! -- tbl |
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Hate to butt in here but, before I pull my eyes out, Ants are very
picky when it comes to food. Different times of the year they require a completely unique food type. During the winter when they are not reproducing then they only require water. Sugar is a treat they will take you up on at all times of the year. The Ants you see running around now are probably just seeking shelter and water. Household ants aren't going to be attracted to yeast; they won't consume it if it was the last food source on earth.( there maybe some exotic ant that eats yeast but I an assuming you don't live in a rain forest) Worker Ants don't digest solid food they take it back to the larvae which are just wormy stomachs. They digest the solids and convert it to liquid to be ingested by the colony. You hear these wise tales about ants eating grits and exploding. Not going to happen, same with yeast. Ants don't wake up and crave toast. Commercial Ant Baits do work you just have to know what the ants are attracted too at the time. Yes, store bought baits and traps are misleading they all seem to state total colony elimination quick and easy. But it is just advertising B.S. Ant Control is a long process and unfortunately most people don't have the patience required to deal with it. They are all looking for a magic bullet. Trust me if there was a magic bullet it would be available to the marketplace. My company produces "commercial bait" but we don't advertise it to be the magic bullet, only a tool in the arsenal. If you want to use home made bait that you feel is superior to commercial brands give them what they seek, water and treat them to sugar. Make a mess enjoy yourself. I prefer fresh squeezed orange juice but it only took me a few times to do it too realize that taking a cap off a carton takes far less time and effort and the taste difference of fresh squeezed to store bought just didn't outweigh the frustration. But to answer the original post, just use the cheep roach dust boric acid found everywhere. A little goes a long way. First find something the ants will be attracted too then just add as little as a teaspoon to a cup of attractant mix it in well and let em go at it. Then start looking for moisture issues in your house to find a reason they are there to begin with. Ants are only a symptom to an underlying problem. |
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Several others have said where to get boric acid. So, I'll change the
subject again. I've had excellent results with liquid ant bait from www.gardensalive.com which is a blue liquid, comes in about two ounce dropper bottle. I'd had a pest control company tell me that carpenter ants come dropping off the trees, nearly impossible to control, and it would take several hundred dollars of spraying and repeat applications. Less than a bottle of liquid ant bait later, and I don't have carpenter ants any more. And I got to keep my several hundred dollars. Their pantry pest traps work nicely on Indian mealworms, too. -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .. "RichK" wrote in message ... Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Rich |
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Doing all of that sound MORE complicated than rocket science !!!!
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:44:06 GMT, – Colonel – wrote: On 2006-01-13 14:40:50 -0500, "RichK" said: Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Rich OK, this whole thread is outta control. For crying out loud, this isnt rocket science. Put some coca cola into a stainless steel or glass pan. Heat. Add sugar. Add corn syrup/Karo. Add some rasp jelly. Add some bacon fat or hamburger grease. Throw in a few dog or cat food kibbles. Add just a little (say a 1/4 tsp per cup) of borax/boric acid/WHATEVER BORATE YOU WANT. IT DOESN"T MATTER. Bring it slowly to a boil. Stir. OK, now you need: 1) Clean jars (mayo, jam, wahtevah) 2) Cotton balls or rags or something absorbent and fluffy 3) Screwdriver Take the lid of your clean jar and stab a hole with your trusty screwdriver. Decant the gooey coke/sugar/fat/borax solution into the jar. Throw in your cotton balls or rags or fluffy absorbent material and shake it around so the crap is saturated with gook. Find your trusty ants and grab some with your hand and throw them into the jar. DO NOT KILL THEM. The more the better, but you need at least one to make it back to the colony. He will make the stink-trail back to the jar so that zillions of others can carry the borax/BORATE/WHATEVAH back to the colony and feed the queen. If they like your recipe (whatever it is) you will need enough to feed them for 2-4 weeks. Then they will stop coming back. |
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Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Rich try a drugstore. goodluck! .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:40:50 -0500, "RichK" wrote:
Hi, Where does one buy Boric Acid? Local hardware store did not have it. Would like to mix my own for ant control. Rich Rich. I find it at the drug store. Mix with equal parts sugar or cormeal. Keep away from Children and pets Though Best Regards Anthony .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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