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I proclaim that alt.hvac is now to become a home owner's forum
and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is
for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! |
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"papaya" wrote: and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is Look fruit. Instead of digging your ass and typing bull****. Why don't you learn to play russian roulette. You only need a paypal account and a gun. I have $5 says you're too big a pussy to pull the trigger. -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
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and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! It might as well be a home owners news group, since I have yet to see a constructive post by Paul to even a HVAC professional. He seems to need an attitude adjustment. Perhaps it is because no one will hire someone like him to do work for them, and he sits by his computer doing the only thing he does well. Criticize! On the other hand perhaps he is incarcerated, ****ed off at the world, and has lots of time on his hands? That could explain his "Feed an animal that needs you today," comment. Finally, I have read many comments suggesting that a professional be called to solve a problem. This is probably good advice in most situations, but with people like Paul acting like smart asses, is it any wonder that a homeowner is leery of calling a pro to solve their problem? If I were in such a business I would try to project an image of concern and honesty. Calling the potential customer names, does not make him want to hire the name caller. Ken |
"papaya" wrote in message ... and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! That's bull****. Everyone knows that *I* started this group..... Shortly after I started the Internet. |
"papaya" wrote in message ... and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! In my experience over there, I have found that for the most part people are rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful. If that is what being a professional is, then many should beware of the hvac industry. |
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"FDR" wrote: In my experience over there, I have found that for the most part people are rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful. If that is what being a professional is, then many should beware of the hvac industry. No, it's not a homemoaner forum and you don't have to like it nor do we have to cater to dumbass moaners and their unending stream of stupidity. We don't mind you finger **** you haven't the tools or a clue to mess with. We do however enjoy the pictures you generate. http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=21 -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
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, Ken wrote: snipped **** of concern and honesty. Calling the potential customer names, does not make him want to hire the name caller. Dude you haven't a clue and nobody is interested in selling you one. -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
While very amusing and clearly designed to attract the ire (successfully) of
a few from that group, there really is a sufficient number of HVAC professionals that do answer posts here. "papaya" wrote in message ... and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! |
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In article , "FDR" wrote: In my experience over there, I have found that for the most part people are rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful. If that is what being a professional is, then many should beware of the hvac industry. No, it's not a homemoaner forum and you don't have to like it nor do we have to cater to dumbass moaners and their unending stream of stupidity. We don't mind you finger **** you haven't the tools or a clue to mess with. We do however enjoy the pictures you generate. http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=21 You just made his point. Ken |
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, Ken wrote: bill wrote: In article , "FDR" wrote: In my experience over there, I have found that for the most part people are rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful. If that is what being a professional is, then many should beware of the hvac industry. No, it's not a homemoaner forum and you don't have to like it nor do we have to cater to dumbass moaners and their unending stream of stupidity. We don't mind you finger **** you haven't the tools or a clue to mess with. We do however enjoy the pictures you generate. http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=21 You just made his point. Ken As long as we have to get your point eh? Well since most moaners don't take their precious time to lurk for a bit or do any research before demanding an answer to their problem. We have developed a tried and true response system that cuts through their self absorbed bull****. We sic Paul on em. Now before you start whining and crying about it, let me say this. Nobody gives a **** what you think, know etc. Or that we're "rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful". Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. If you still can't grasp that then print this out in braille and -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:09:02 GMT, Ken wrote:
papaya wrote: and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! It might as well be a home owners news group, since I have yet to see a constructive post by Paul to even a HVAC professional. He seems to need an attitude adjustment. Perhaps it is because no one will hire someone like him to do work for them, and he sits by his computer doing the only thing he does well. Criticize! What I need is for you to blow me, asshole. On the other hand perhaps he is incarcerated, ****ed off at the world, and has lots of time on his hands? That could explain his "Feed an animal that needs you today," comment. Finally, I have read many comments suggesting that a professional be called to solve a problem. This is probably good advice in most situations, but with people like Paul acting like smart asses, is it any wonder that a homeowner is leery of calling a pro to solve their problem? If I were in such a business I would try to project an image of concern and honesty. Calling the potential customer names, does not make him want to hire the name caller. Ken How in the WORLD do you figure that ANY home-moaner is a 'potential customer' of mine ? I don't do residential, asshole. Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote: While very amusing and clearly designed to attract the ire (successfully) of a few from that group, there really is a sufficient number of HVAC professionals that do answer posts here. That doesn't seem to be good enough for some. They want to be able to post wherever they want to. Those get fed to the minions. -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
Bill, unfortunately,(fortunately) these newsgroups are open to all. Clearly
there are folks out there who's only objective is to **** you off. Ignore them, in time they'll go away... I promise "bill" wrote in message ... In article , "RBM" rbm2(remove wrote: While very amusing and clearly designed to attract the ire (successfully) of a few from that group, there really is a sufficient number of HVAC professionals that do answer posts here. That doesn't seem to be good enough for some. They want to be able to post wherever they want to. Those get fed to the minions. -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
"bill" wrote in message ... In article , "FDR" wrote: In my experience over there, I have found that for the most part people are rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful. If that is what being a professional is, then many should beware of the hvac industry. No, it's not a homemoaner forum and you don't have to like it nor do we have to cater to dumbass moaners and their unending stream of stupidity. See, there's the condescending attitude. Don't worry, you'll be out of busiuness with that attitude. Maybe you can go work at the DMV then. Hopefully all you "professional assholes" are out of work and the best you can do is make minimum wage digging ditches. We don't mind you finger **** you haven't the tools or a clue to mess with. We do however enjoy the pictures you generate. http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=21 -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:09:02 GMT, Ken wrote: papaya wrote: and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! It might as well be a home owners news group, since I have yet to see a constructive post by Paul to even a HVAC professional. He seems to need an attitude adjustment. Perhaps it is because no one will hire someone like him to do work for them, and he sits by his computer doing the only thing he does well. Criticize! What I need is for you to blow me, asshole. God knows that a woman won't do it. So you have to get one from a guy. How sad your life is. On the other hand perhaps he is incarcerated, ****ed off at the world, and has lots of time on his hands? That could explain his "Feed an animal that needs you today," comment. Finally, I have read many comments suggesting that a professional be called to solve a problem. This is probably good advice in most situations, but with people like Paul acting like smart asses, is it any wonder that a homeowner is leery of calling a pro to solve their problem? If I were in such a business I would try to project an image of concern and honesty. Calling the potential customer names, does not make him want to hire the name caller. Ken How in the WORLD do you figure that ANY home-moaner is a 'potential customer' of mine ? I don't do residential, asshole. You don't do home assholes, only commercial assholes. Actually, they do you. Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
"bill" wrote in message Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. If you still can't grasp that then print this out in braille and Then it was named incorrectly. Should have been alt.hvac.professional USENET newsgroups are available to all at no cost. There is no distinctions aside from a few nasty members that jump on homeowners when they enter. There is no sign posted on the gate, just a couple of mean bull dogs that attack when a stranger enters. I'm sure many of the participants on HVAC are genuine nice people, but there is also the largest concentration of bozos on the internet that are trying to tear down the reputation of anyone in the profession. |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:53:31 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "bill" wrote in message Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. If you still can't grasp that then print this out in braille and Then it was named incorrectly. Should have been alt.hvac.professional USENET newsgroups are available to all at no cost. There is no distinctions aside from a few nasty members that jump on homeowners when they enter. There is no sign posted on the gate, just a couple of mean bull dogs that attack when a stranger enters. I'm sure many of the participants on HVAC are genuine nice people, but there is also the largest concentration of bozos on the internet that are trying to tear down the reputation of anyone in the profession. I lurked there for a while to get the flavor before posting a legitimate query. I decided that if some of these assholes were representative of HVAC "professionals," who look with such distain on the general public then maybe I need an amateur instead to install my new heat pump. Some of them remind me of a former coworker, who had a Ph.D. I'm a retired EE and I swear it seemed like every time I had a conversation with this guy somewhere in the discussion he would say, "When I was working on my thesis….." |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "bill" wrote in message Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. If you still can't grasp that then print this out in braille and Then it was named incorrectly. Should have been alt.hvac.professional No. You should start one called alt.hvac.DIY.HO's.trolls or use alt.home.repair USENET newsgroups are available to all at no cost. There is no distinctions aside from a few nasty members that jump on homeowners when they enter. They get referred to alt.home.repair. When they can't grasp that they get dipped in flour. There is no sign posted on the gate, just a couple of mean bull dogs that attack when a stranger enters. I'm sure many of the participants on HVAC are genuine nice people, but there is also the largest concentration of bozos on the internet that are trying to tear down the reputation of anyone in the profession. I figure you are referring to weasel? Exposing hacks and their methods while un-pleasent is necessary. We do let them run fairly unmolested in alt.home.repair -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
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"FDR" wrote: "bill" wrote in message ... In article , "FDR" wrote: In my experience over there, I have found that for the most part people are rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful. If that is what being a professional is, then many should beware of the hvac industry. No, it's not a homemoaner forum and you don't have to like it nor do we have to cater to dumbass moaners and their unending stream of stupidity. See, there's the condescending attitude. Don't worry, you'll be out of busiuness with that attitude. Maybe you can go work at the DMV then. Hopefully all you "professional assholes" are out of work and the best you can do is make minimum wage digging ditches. Dude you are pretty thick in the head. You and the rest of the people on usenet are not customers. You aren't paying for ****. We aren't soliciting you for anything. It's an HVAC discussion group. Not help the homeowner with his problem group. Your opinion doesn't count. Or what you want alt.hvac to be. Grow up and get over it. I suspect though that you'd rather bitch and moan about it. -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
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"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote: Bill, unfortunately,(fortunately) these newsgroups are open to all. Clearly there are folks out there who's only objective is to **** you off. Ignore them, in time they'll go away... I promise That's ok. I like yanking their chains. I've liked rattles since I can remember. :-) The ones who like to tell us what alt.hvac should be probably post plumbing questions in the alt.cooking group. Emeril and Betty C. probably slap the **** out of them there too. -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
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Nobody gives a **** what you think, know etc. Or that we're "rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful". Keep it up, and your customers will. Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. Says who? Nick |
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wrote: bill wrote: Nobody gives a **** what you think, know etc. Or that we're "rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful". Keep it up, and your customers will. You confuse work with a newsgroup. Nobody is soliciting customers here. We tell the nimrods to go to alt.home.repair and if half of them lurked long enough we wouldn't have to post that half as much. Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. Says who? Nick Consensus years ago. IE: http://www.hvac2.com/ You don't have to like it nicky but your retarded ass started slumming after everyone got bored of your **** in alt.sci... Go post your BASIC code BS in a programming group. Even they would have your ass after a short bit. Try GOTO: Hell -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:27:39 GMT, bill wrote:
In article , wrote: bill wrote: Nobody gives a **** what you think, know etc. Or that we're "rude, obnoxious, condescending and generally unhelpful". Keep it up, and your customers will. You confuse work with a newsgroup. Nobody is soliciting customers here. We tell the nimrods to go to alt.home.repair and if half of them lurked long enough we wouldn't have to post that half as much. Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. Says who? Nick Consensus years ago. IE: http://www.hvac2.com/ You don't have to like it nicky but your retarded ass started slumming after everyone got bored of your **** in alt.sci... Go post your BASIC code BS in a programming group. Even they would have your ass after a short bit. Try Do until FreezesOver 0 GOTO: Hell Loop Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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What a ****ing idiot. Are you truly that juvenile? "papaya" wrote in message ... and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! |
The average homeowner is too ****ing stupid to know when they are in well
over their heads, but will continue to push on because they are so ****ing tight they squeak when they walk and then in the end pay us to fix it or replace it anyway. Since you are obviously NOT a tradesman you have no clue with regards to the responses Paul gives being accurate or not. You may not care for someones personality or demeanor but that gives you no right to analyze anyones professional capabilities or creditentials, especially when you can't tell the difference between a nut driver and a screwdriver. If you want to play Mr.Fix-it with HVAC equipment jump out there with a screwdriver and hammer and have at it, don't come to what should by any reasonable observation be an apparent trade to trade forum and papaya I can't emphasize this point strongly enough.....you are a ****ing idiot. "Ken" wrote in message ... papaya wrote: and as the founder of the group, I get to determine whether this group is for home owners or not! (what? you say I didn't start the group? well, Paul did not start the group either, but he thinks that by falsely claiming that he did, he can therefore make up bogus "rules", such as no home owner questions. So, on equal authority, I am now proclaiming alt.hvac to be a home owner's forum from now on!) so please, calling all home owners, please post your questions to alt.hvac !! It might as well be a home owners news group, since I have yet to see a constructive post by Paul to even a HVAC professional. He seems to need an attitude adjustment. Perhaps it is because no one will hire someone like him to do work for them, and he sits by his computer doing the only thing he does well. Criticize! On the other hand perhaps he is incarcerated, ****ed off at the world, and has lots of time on his hands? That could explain his "Feed an animal that needs you today," comment. Finally, I have read many comments suggesting that a professional be called to solve a problem. This is probably good advice in most situations, but with people like Paul acting like smart asses, is it any wonder that a homeowner is leery of calling a pro to solve their problem? If I were in such a business I would try to project an image of concern and honesty. Calling the potential customer names, does not make him want to hire the name caller. Ken |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:00:44 -0500, "Anthony Berlin"
wrote: The average homeowner is too ****ing stupid to know when they are in well over their heads, but will continue to push on because they are so ****ing tight they squeak when they walk and then in the end pay us to fix it or I'm starting to like this guy :-) Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
bill wrote:
Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. Says who? Consensus years ago. We only have a consensus if everyone agrees. Nick |
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The average homeowner is too ****ing stupid to know when they are in well over their heads, but will continue to push on because they are so ****ing tight they squeak when they walk and then in the end pay us to fix it or replace it anyway. Since you are obviously NOT a tradesman you have no clue with regards to the responses Paul gives being accurate or not. You may not care for someones personality or demeanor but that gives you no right to analyze anyones professional capabilities or creditentials... I often go by how well they can spell, as well as their attitudes. Nick |
Neither of which are accurate indication of skill or capability unfortunately. wrote in message ... Anthony Berlin wrote: The average homeowner is too ****ing stupid to know when they are in well over their heads, but will continue to push on because they are so ****ing tight they squeak when they walk and then in the end pay us to fix it or replace it anyway. Since you are obviously NOT a tradesman you have no clue with regards to the responses Paul gives being accurate or not. You may not care for someones personality or demeanor but that gives you no right to analyze anyones professional capabilities or creditentials... I often go by how well they can spell, as well as their attitudes. Nick |
I sure wish you that are complete a--holes would post the name and location
of your business, it terrifies me that I would get one of you to do a repair job for me. |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:05:51 -0500, "lindy"
wrote: I sure wish you that are complete a--holes would post the name and location of your business, it terrifies me that I would get one of you to do a repair job for me. Blow me. Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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Anthony Berlin wrote:
...You may not care for someones personality or demeanor but that gives you no right to analyze anyones professional capabilities or creditentials... I often go by how well they can spell, as well as their attitudes. Neither of which are accurate indication of skill or capability unfortunately. It works for me... Nick |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:17:42 GMT, bill wrote:
In article , wrote: bill wrote: Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. Says who? Consensus years ago. We only have a consensus if everyone agrees. Bull****. It means no such thing at all. I thought you at least spoke English, in spite of all your other silliness and lack of knowledge. Go look up the word and get back to us. Nick You weren't invited nicky. "A" list only. Maybe next time. Maybe not :-) Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:21:10 GMT, bill wrote:
In article , wrote: On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:00:44 -0500, "Anthony Berlin" wrote: The average homeowner is too ****ing stupid to know when they are in well over their heads, but will continue to push on because they are so ****ing tight they squeak when they walk and then in the end pay us to fix it or I'm starting to like this guy :-) He doesn't get to skate on the dues because of it does he? MYOB, minion. Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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Alt.hvac is not a homeowner forum. Says who? Consensus years ago. We only have a consensus if everyone agrees. That includes everyone, then and now :-) Nick |
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"lindy" wrote: I sure wish you that are complete a--holes would post the name and location of your business, it terrifies me that I would get one of you to do a repair job for me. Ruthy baby. You couldn't get us to do a repair for you. We prefer you can someone you'd feel all warm and fuzzy with. That way we wouldn't have to listen to you screech and waddle around showing us where the thermostat is. -- Paul's cat got a furball and kept saying weasel's name. *Hack* *Hack* *hack* |
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