Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all about 18
yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a fan and light as
part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a microwave oven over the
range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity with the
hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave, like the
salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that the current
electrical wiring is OK?

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Les wrote:
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all
about 18 yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a
fan and light as part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a
microwave oven over the range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity
with the hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave,
like the salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that
the current electrical wiring is OK?

Well the wiring is likely sufficient but the question might be what else
is already on the circuit.

It is never a good idea to make any assumptions about electrical work.

I would also advise you to rethink the combo hood-microwave. If
something happens to the microwave, you will never find another to fit the
space. You will pay more for the combo than either alone. The hot space
above the range is not a good spot for a microwave.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

In article , Joseph Meehan says...

Les wrote:
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all
about 18 yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a
fan and light as part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a
microwave oven over the range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity
with the hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave,
like the salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that
the current electrical wiring is OK?

Well the wiring is likely sufficient but the question might be what else
is already on the circuit.

It is never a good idea to make any assumptions about electrical work.

I would also advise you to rethink the combo hood-microwave. If
something happens to the microwave, you will never find another to fit the
space. You will pay more for the combo than either alone. The hot space
above the range is not a good spot for a microwave.



Really?

Microwave/hoods are very common now, and I was planning it as part of my new
kitchen.

Have there been a lot of reported problems with these?

Banty (Les wants to replace 17 year old appliances - don't think he'd be
interested in trading for my current 45 year old ones! They're 'vintage' age
now, but they're not 'vintage' condition. :-)

Banty wrote:
In article , Joseph
Meehan says...

Les wrote:
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all
about 18 yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a
fan and light as part of it. I would like to replace the hood with
a microwave oven over the range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity
with the hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the
microwave, like the salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make
sure that the current electrical wiring is OK?

Well the wiring is likely sufficient but the question might be
what else is already on the circuit.

It is never a good idea to make any assumptions about electrical
work.

I would also advise you to rethink the combo hood-microwave. If
something happens to the microwave, you will never find another to
fit the space. You will pay more for the combo than either alone.
The hot space above the range is not a good spot for a microwave.



Really?

Microwave/hoods are very common now, and I was planning it as part of
my new kitchen.

Have there been a lot of reported problems with these?

The problem is most microwaves don't last 17 years, range hoods do. In
five years you will likely not be able to find a replacement for the
microwave and no one will want to bother repairing it if they can get the
parts, they are throwaways. New ones are better and cheaper every year.



Banty (Les wants to replace 17 year old appliances - don't think he'd
be interested in trading for my current 45 year old ones! They're
'vintage' age now, but they're not 'vintage' condition. :-)

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

"Banty" wrote in message
Really?

Microwave/hoods are very common now, and I was planning it as part of my
new
kitchen.

Have there been a lot of reported problems with these?

Banty (Les wants to replace 17 year old appliances - don't think he'd be
interested in trading for my current 45 year old ones! They're 'vintage'
age
now, but they're not 'vintage' condition. :-)

My OTR microwave only lasted about 18 years. They wouldn't even honor the
warranty after that.

Sarcasm aside, if the OP is going to run a new circuit, he may also want to
consider a microwave convection combo unit. Sure is hand to have a second
oven at time and to use the fast bake feature.

On 26 Jul 2005 10:30:26 -0700, Banty wrote:

In article , Joseph Meehan says...

Les wrote:
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all
about 18 yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a
fan and light as part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a
microwave oven over the range.
[snippage]
I would also advise you to rethink the combo hood-microwave. If
something happens to the microwave, you will never find another to fit the
space. You will pay more for the combo than either alone. The hot space
above the range is not a good spot for a microwave.

Really?

Microwave/hoods are very common now, and I was planning it as part of my new
kitchen.

Have there been a lot of reported problems with these?

My 2 cents: Replacing a dead microwave/hood combo probably isn't an
issue. As you say, they're common, and they're standard sized. What
I've read and experienced, though, is the fans in the combo units
aren't particularly good. A dedicated fan works much better. We have a
3-speed Broan Allure we like a lot - very quiet, nice design and
features, powerful enough on Boost for wokking. Just me, but I find a
microwave over the range exceedingly inconvenient. Should one use the
range and the microwave at the same time, a common occurence in our
house, one is reaching over flame, heat, and/or steaming spattering
cooking. Also, like a TV/VCR combo, if one breaks both are effectively
broken. That said, if a combo is what you want, it's your home, so of
course do what you like best :-).

Banty (Les wants to replace 17 year old appliances - don't think he'd be
interested in trading for my current 45 year old ones! They're 'vintage' age
now, but they're not 'vintage' condition. :-)

Been there :-). The ex got a lovely old Magic Chef range. Wish I could
have taken it with me, she replaced it with a new crummy Jenn-Air. One
reason she's "ex" ;-).

--
Luke

Luke ) said...

Just me, but I find a microwave over the range exceedingly inconvenient.
Should one use the range and the microwave at the same time, a common
occurence in our house, one is reaching over flame, heat, and/or steaming
spattering cooking.

Kitchens these days tend to be "operated" by more than one person at at time.
We went with a separate cooktop and oven arrangement in the kitchen of our
new home and have found the ability for one person using the oven and another
on the cooktop to be a great feature over having a range (or oven beneath
the cooktop!) where one has to step out of the way while the other accesses
the oven.

I couldn't imagine the hassles of adding a microwave to the mix of things
at one location.

Of course, if your kitchen is tight for space, then the whole picture
changes anyways.

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Luke ) said...

Just me, but I find a microwave over the range exceedingly inconvenient.
Should one use the range and the microwave at the same time, a common
occurence in our house, one is reaching over flame, heat, and/or steaming
spattering cooking.

Kitchens these days tend to be "operated" by more than one person at at time.
We went with a separate cooktop and oven arrangement in the kitchen of our
new home and have found the ability for one person using the oven and another
on the cooktop to be a great feature over having a range (or oven beneath
the cooktop!) where one has to step out of the way while the other accesses
the oven.

I couldn't imagine the hassles of adding a microwave to the mix of things
at one location.

Of course, if your kitchen is tight for space, then the whole picture
changes anyways.


It's a galley kitchen, tight for space, with only two people in the house
(basically only one cook).

But what you say is an important consideration.

Banty

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:31:41 GMT, lid
(Calvin Henry-Cotnam) wrote:

Luke ) said...

Just me, but I find a microwave over the range exceedingly inconvenient.
Should one use the range and the microwave at the same time, a common
occurence in our house, one is reaching over flame, heat, and/or steaming
spattering cooking.

Kitchens these days tend to be "operated" by more than one person at at time.
We went with a separate cooktop and oven arrangement in the kitchen of our
new home and have found the ability for one person using the oven and another
on the cooktop to be a great feature over having a range (or oven beneath
the cooktop!) where one has to step out of the way while the other accesses
the oven.
[snip]

Yes, if one has the space and the money, separating appliances - and
work areas - is a real convenience, even when only one person is
cooking. We have a range with a large oven, but also a smaller wall
oven which gets the most use. The large oven we use only for, well,
large items, or special times like Thanksgiving when two ovens are
useful to bake several things at the same time at different temps. Not
the turkey, though - that goes on the Weber charcoal grill :-).

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"Les" wrote in message
.. .
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all about 18
yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a fan and light as
part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a microwave oven over
the
range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity with
the
hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave, like the
salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that the current
electrical wiring is OK?

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no. current code is separate line for a microwave. you probably have an
outlet on a general lighting circuit, which is shared amongst other sockets,
and probably isn't a 20 amp circuit anyway.

you're going to trust a salesman, who hasn't ever seen your place, as to
what you have inside your walls?

"Les" wrote in message
.. .
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all about 18
yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a fan and light as
part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a microwave oven over
the
range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity with
the
hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave, like the
salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that the current
electrical wiring is OK?

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By electrical code microwaves are considered fixed appliances, they need
there own circuit.
If your home is older than 18 years then I can almost guarantee that there
is not a separate circuit for the hood/light combo. We just did not do that
back then.

Will it work, probably. You might trip a breaker once in a while until you
figure out what else is on the circuit the new microwave is going to be
connected to.

If it is easy to install a new circuit for the microwave I would.

Other issues you may have not thought of are back then we would have run 3
wire circuits to the appliances, like the oven and cook. If your new stuff
is electric best check to see if they need a 4 wire circuit. 4 wire
includes a neutral.

Does your local building department require upgrading anything when
upgrading the kitchen?
A quick call with out your last name will find out for sure.

Thanks all for the replies....

Here are a few additional facts that would be pertinent to my original
question.

1) Current range hood is on the "main" breaker, which is 70 amp

2) Tech support of microwave said it requires at least a 15 amp circuit; it
is a 950 watt microwave.

3) Currently have counter microwave which is plugged into socket controlled
by "main" breaker. It also is 950 watt.

4) Only one person works in kitchen at a time, and microwave and range below
would not be used at the same time.

5) The " main" breaker controls lots of stuff in house. (but not sure
exactly what!)

Again, my question is if you guys think I am wired OK now? If not, and I
continually trip the breaker, I would then call an electrician to create a
separate breaker for the microwave. A GE technician will be doing the
microwave installation.

Any further comments would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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"SQLit" wrote in message
...

"Les" wrote in message
.. .
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all about
18
yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a fan and light
as
part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a microwave oven over
the
range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity with
the
hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave, like the
salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that the current
electrical wiring is OK?

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By electrical code microwaves are considered fixed appliances, they need
there own circuit.
If your home is older than 18 years then I can almost guarantee that there
is not a separate circuit for the hood/light combo. We just did not do
that
back then.

Will it work, probably. You might trip a breaker once in a while until
you
figure out what else is on the circuit the new microwave is going to be
connected to.

If it is easy to install a new circuit for the microwave I would.

Other issues you may have not thought of are back then we would have run 3
wire circuits to the appliances, like the oven and cook. If your new stuff
is electric best check to see if they need a 4 wire circuit. 4 wire
includes a neutral.

Does your local building department require upgrading anything when
upgrading the kitchen?
A quick call with out your last name will find out for sure.

"Les" wrote in message

1) Current range hood is on the "main" breaker, which is 70 amp

See info below #5


2) Tech support of microwave said it requires at least a 15 amp circuit;
it
is a 950 watt microwave.

Sounds about right. 15 a should easily handle that load. What else in on
the circuit though?


3) Currently have counter microwave which is plugged into socket
controlled
by "main" breaker. It also is 950 watt.

See #5


4) Only one person works in kitchen at a time, and microwave and range
below
would not be used at the same time.

Two of us work in the kitchen and we don't have a problem with that setup.
The OTR saves a lot of space.



5) The " main" breaker controls lots of stuff in house. (but not sure
exactly what!)

Again, my question is if you guys think I am wired OK now?

No. The main breaker, if it is truly the main, should control every breaker
in the box. There must be another breaker of 15 or 20 amps to control the
rest of the circuits. If the 70 amp breaker is truly controlling much of
the house with no sub panels or other fuses or breakers, you are living in a
very dangerous environment. Please, have a competant electrican look at it
and fix it. At least get someone knowledgable to confirm this if you can't
get an electrician right away.

There are about 15 different breakers in the breaker circuit box. The one
that has 70 amps is marked "main" by previous owner, but does not control
any of the major appliances.
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"Les" wrote in message

1) Current range hood is on the "main" breaker, which is 70 amp

See info below #5


2) Tech support of microwave said it requires at least a 15 amp circuit;
it
is a 950 watt microwave.

Sounds about right. 15 a should easily handle that load. What else in on
the circuit though?


3) Currently have counter microwave which is plugged into socket
controlled
by "main" breaker. It also is 950 watt.

See #5


4) Only one person works in kitchen at a time, and microwave and range
below
would not be used at the same time.

Two of us work in the kitchen and we don't have a problem with that
setup.
The OTR saves a lot of space.



5) The " main" breaker controls lots of stuff in house. (but not sure
exactly what!)

Again, my question is if you guys think I am wired OK now?

No. The main breaker, if it is truly the main, should control every
breaker
in the box. There must be another breaker of 15 or 20 amps to control the
rest of the circuits. If the 70 amp breaker is truly controlling much of
the house with no sub panels or other fuses or breakers, you are living in
a
very dangerous environment. Please, have a competant electrican look at
it
and fix it. At least get someone knowledgable to confirm this if you
can't
get an electrician right away.

"Les" wrote in message
. ..
There are about 15 different breakers in the breaker circuit box. The one
that has 70 amps is marked "main" by previous owner, but does not control
any of the major appliances.

1) Current range hood is on the "main" breaker, which is 70 amp

A 70A breaker should not be controlling the hood either.

Les wrote:
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all about 18
yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a fan and light as
part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a microwave oven over the
range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity with the
hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave, like the
salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that the current
electrical wiring is OK?


Just a touch of realism and a bit of sarcasm.
Replacing the hood with a hood/microwave can be
done but will likely be unsatisfactory (the hood
part) and will certainly cost a lot more than the
two separately. But, do it if you really want it.

Second. All house circuits are at least 15 amps.
It is unlikely that you would buy a microwave
that uses more than 13.5 amps. The hood fan and
light probably don't use more than 1-2 amps, thus
that circuit with the will support the microwave
alone and probably the microwave, hood fan, and
light all running at the same time. Just don't
put other things on it, or at least turn them on
when the microwave is running.

Just remember that thousands (err;; make that tens
of thousands, actually probably millions)) of
people just set the microwave on the counter and
plug it into wall circuit which is usually 15 amps
with no problem at all. Mine also has a toaster
in the same plug. Both do operate at the same
time, if yours won't then avoid the hassle of
resetting breakers by not operating other
appliance on that circuit when you use the
microwave.

See SQLit's comments, he seems to have a handle on
the issue and a reasonable view.

George E. Cawthon wrote:
Les wrote:
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all
about 18 yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a
fan and light as part of it. I would like to replace the hood with
a microwave oven over the range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity
with the hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the
microwave, like the salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make
sure that the current electrical wiring is OK?


Just a touch of realism and a bit of sarcasm.
Replacing the hood with a hood/microwave can be
done but will likely be unsatisfactory (the hood
part) and will certainly cost a lot more than the
two separately. But, do it if you really want it.

Second. All house circuits are at least 15 amps.
It is unlikely that you would buy a microwave
that uses more than 13.5 amps. The hood fan and
light probably don't use more than 1-2 amps, thus
that circuit with the will support the microwave
alone and probably the microwave, hood fan, and
light all running at the same time. Just don't
put other things on it, or at least turn them on
when the microwave is running.

Just remember that thousands (err;; make that tens
of thousands, actually probably millions)) of
people just set the microwave on the counter and
plug it into wall circuit which is usually 15 amps
with no problem at all. Mine also has a toaster
in the same plug. Both do operate at the same
time, if yours won't then avoid the hassle of
resetting breakers by not operating other
appliance on that circuit when you use the
microwave.

If they both operate well at the same time, they are likely on a split
circuit so the upper and lower plugs are really two different circuits.


See SQLit's comments, he seems to have a handle on
the issue and a reasonable view.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Joseph Meehan wrote:
George E. Cawthon wrote:

Les wrote:

Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all
about 18 yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a
fan and light as part of it. I would like to replace the hood with
a microwave oven over the range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity
with the hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the
microwave, like the salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make
sure that the current electrical wiring is OK?


Just a touch of realism and a bit of sarcasm.
Replacing the hood with a hood/microwave can be
done but will likely be unsatisfactory (the hood
part) and will certainly cost a lot more than the
two separately. But, do it if you really want it.

Second. All house circuits are at least 15 amps.
It is unlikely that you would buy a microwave
that uses more than 13.5 amps. The hood fan and
light probably don't use more than 1-2 amps, thus
that circuit with the will support the microwave
alone and probably the microwave, hood fan, and
light all running at the same time. Just don't
put other things on it, or at least turn them on
when the microwave is running.

Just remember that thousands (err;; make that tens
of thousands, actually probably millions)) of
people just set the microwave on the counter and
plug it into wall circuit which is usually 15 amps
with no problem at all. Mine also has a toaster
in the same plug. Both do operate at the same
time, if yours won't then avoid the hassle of
resetting breakers by not operating other
appliance on that circuit when you use the
microwave.


If they both operate well at the same time, they are likely on a split
circuit so the upper and lower plugs are really two different circuits.


See SQLit's comments, he seems to have a handle on
the issue and a reasonable view.



Actually no. But it is a 20 amp circuit. Previous
microwave was 12.5 or 12A and the toaster was 8,
so the amp load was right on the edge. Never
tripped the breaker but you could hear the
microwave kind of slow down when the toaster went
on. Never figured out why the breaker never
tripped but probably because the two were probably
never both on more than 45 seconds to 1 minute at
at time.

George E. Cawthon ) said...


Actually no. But it is a 20 amp circuit. Previous
microwave was 12.5 or 12A and the toaster was 8,
so the amp load was right on the edge. Never
tripped the breaker but you could hear the
microwave kind of slow down when the toaster went
on. Never figured out why the breaker never
tripped but probably because the two were probably
never both on more than 45 seconds to 1 minute at
at time.

Is that 12.5 or 12 amp figure for the microwave and 8A figure for
the toaster what was printed on a label, or an actual measurement
you took?

Typically ratings on appliance labels are worst case values and
may not reflect what is actually being drawn, which is why you
never tripped the breaker.

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"Les" wrote in message
.. .
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all about 18
yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a fan and light as
part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a microwave oven over
the
range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity with
the
hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave, like the
salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that the current
electrical wiring is OK?

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Don't know about the wiring, but I would NEVER EVER have another
microwave/exhaust hood over my range. All the smoke and grease go into it
and never comes out. Over time, it gets really nasty.

Just my preference.

Steve

Les wrote:
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all about 18
yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a fan and light as
part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a microwave oven over the
range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity with the
hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave, like the
salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that the current
electrical wiring is OK?

If the fan was installed according to US code, it's not on one of the
two 20 amp kitchen appliance circuits. If the fan is on a lighting
curcuit it's definitely inadequate for a microwave. Plan on running a
new circuit.

"Les" wrote:
Planning on buying all new kitchen appliances, since they are all about
18
yrs old. Currently have a hood over the range that has a fan and light
as
part of it. I would like to replace the hood with a microwave oven over
the
range.

My condo is 18 yrs old. Can I assume that since I have electricity with
the
hood, that the electrical wiring is ample for the microwave, like the
salesman says? Or how can it be tested to make sure that the current
electrical wiring is OK?

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Hello,
Donot put the microwave near the stove. They serve two entirely different
purposes and arenot related. How'bout an under-shelf model somewhere else
in the kitchen. Where you have your toaster/toaster-oven is where you shouldhave
your microwave. You can put the toaster/toaster-oven or both on top of the
microwave, and the smoke alarm directly over all three. Ihave my tv on top
of my microwave, so cannot put the other stuff on it, as it would start
getting too high for me to reach. Anyway i already have stuff on top of the
tv.

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"Harry" :7501 wrote in message
Donot put the microwave near the stove. They serve two entirely different
purposes and arenot related.

What would they be? Seems t me we use boht of thee appliance to cook food.
Do you use your for enbalming people or growing plants? I must be missing
something.


How'bout an under-shelf model somewhere else
in the kitchen. Where you have your toaster/toaster-oven is where you
shouldhave
your microwave.

Won't fit in my house. I'm glad it does in yours. If I had to h ave the MW
on a coutner, I'd not have one. That is why they make OTR models, becasue
they are so hand to have there.


You can put the toaster/toaster-oven or both on top of the
microwave, and the smoke alarm directly over all three.

Maybe some people can. I can't as the cabinets would be too low and I'd
have to bend the bread to get it in the toaster. Not so bad going in, but
getting it back out in one piece is a PITA.

Ihave my tv on top
of my microwave, so cannot put the other stuff on it, as it would start
getting too high for me to reach. Anyway i already have stuff on top of
the
tv.


My TV is in the family room. I'd put the microwave on top of it, but it is
too far to walk when the veggies are done. It would probably not be a good
idea to put hte TV on top as it weighs 185 pounds with that 34" HD CRT.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:14:28 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

"Harry" :7501 wrote in message
[snippage]
Ihave my tv on top
of my microwave, so cannot put the other stuff on it, as it would start
getting too high for me to reach. Anyway i already have stuff on top of
the tv.

My TV is in the family room. I'd put the microwave on top of it, but it is
too far to walk when the veggies are done.
[snip]

Too far to walk across the room from the La-Z-Boy to the TV/microwave?
Perhaps you'd be a tad more "motivated" if instead of (yech) veggies,
you made tater tots or popcorn. Or better, toss the microwave and put
the BBQ on the TV and a cold keg of beer beside it.

;-)

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Luke