I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the footing line?

Thanks,

MC

I think you misheard. I'm sure they referred to a vacuum
excavator. Here is some information:
http://www.vacstar.com/pr1.htm

Flowable grout is cement and sand with a high water content. It
is usually made up to test between 600 and 900 psi. It does not
require compaction and will fill up spaces just as water would
avoiding settlement and voids.

(top posted for your convenience)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)




"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to
tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck".
Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a
mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is
this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a
standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under
the footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the
footing line?

Thanks,

MC

DanG:

I did some search and found one reference where one guy was selling a
"vaccon truck" here is the link:

http://www.sweepersonline.com/bidboa...posts/911.html

may be it's some high tech stuff? I will call the company to find out. I
just want to make sure it's not something that will chew up the bottom of my
house and cause a sink hole...

If they tunnel under the house, and go under the footing, there will be dirt
above the footing line that they need to exacavate to access the pipe which
I don't think they can they can back fill because you can't back fill "up".
I am not sure I am saying this right, but without some sort of pump to pump
dirt upward how can they back fill the void below?

MC

"DanG" wrote in message
news:zUECe.116915$yV4.42419@okepread03...

I think you misheard. I'm sure they referred to a vacuum
excavator. Here is some information:
http://www.vacstar.com/pr1.htm

Flowable grout is cement and sand with a high water content. It
is usually made up to test between 600 and 900 psi. It does not
require compaction and will fill up spaces just as water would
avoiding settlement and voids.

(top posted for your convenience)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)




"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to
tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck".
Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a
mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is
this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a
standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under
the footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the
footing line?

Thanks,

MC

"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to
tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did
a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this?
Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the
footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the
footing line?

Thanks,

MC

You might want to get an estimate from a company that does pipe
bursting too

Thanks.

I did. Unfortunately the problem occured near an elbow so nothing can be
done.

MC

"Rick" wrote in message
nk.net...

"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to
tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did
a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this?
Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the
footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the
footing line?

Thanks,

MC

You might want to get an estimate from a company that does pipe
bursting too

Curious what the symptoms of your under slab plumbing leak are?

"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the
footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the footing
line?

Thanks,

MC

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:10:48 -0400, "miamicuse"
wrote:

I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the footing line?

Thanks,

MC

To repair an elbow in my sewer line, I rented a jackhammer and dug a
4 foot deep hole in my kitchen.

If those tile could talk....

Just a partial blockage. But then a subsequent video inspection (which cost
$500) revealed the line break.

MC

"Blue" wrote in message ...
Curious what the symptoms of your under slab plumbing leak are?

"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the
footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the footing
line?

Thanks,

MC

"JimL" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:10:48 -0400, "miamicuse"
wrote:

I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the
footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the footing
line?

Thanks,

MC

To repair an elbow in my sewer line, I rented a jackhammer and dug a
4 foot deep hole in my kitchen.

If those tile could talk....


Kitchen hole digging is out.

My wife vetoed it. Did not want to:

(1) Ruin the tiles - no replacement.
(2) Have "yuck" or cockroaches coming up the kitchen floor.
(3) Deal with dust and debris from the digging.
(4) Remove/Replace cabinets that are sitting on the problem spot.

She rule the kitchen so I have to fix it from the outside.

MC

"miamicuse" wrote in message

She rule the kitchen so I have to fix it from the outside.

MC

She will relent if the sewer pipe causes enough problems. Some methods are
just plain sensible, others are just plain dumb. At least consider it
before going ahead with the wrong plan.

When you're in Rome, top-post like the Romans.

I think the excavation probably will be some kind of hydro-excavating.
Picture a BIG pressure washer and a BIG wet-vac and you get the idea.
Won't damage pipes, roots, concrete. Sink-hole? hmmm. Ask them if their
insurance will cover cracks in your floor or tile.

DanG's guess is as good as mine, I think you'll find they can back-fill
"up" just dandy. My concern would be the "non-excavatable" part. If
they fill their hole with a big concrete blob, you're never going to be
able to get back under there the next time this happens. What then?

Chip C

miamicuse wrote:
DanG:

I did some search and found one reference where one guy was selling a
"vaccon truck" here is the link:

http://www.sweepersonline.com/bidboa...posts/911.html

may be it's some high tech stuff? I will call the company to find out. I
just want to make sure it's not something that will chew up the bottom of my
house and cause a sink hole...

If they tunnel under the house, and go under the footing, there will be dirt
above the footing line that they need to exacavate to access the pipe which
I don't think they can they can back fill because you can't back fill "up".
I am not sure I am saying this right, but without some sort of pump to pump
dirt upward how can they back fill the void below?

MC

"DanG" wrote in message
news:zUECe.116915$yV4.42419@okepread03...

I think you misheard. I'm sure they referred to a vacuum
excavator. Here is some information:
http://www.vacstar.com/pr1.htm

Flowable grout is cement and sand with a high water content. It
is usually made up to test between 600 and 900 psi. It does not
require compaction and will fill up spaces just as water would
avoiding settlement and voids.

(top posted for your convenience)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)




"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to
tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck".
Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a
mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is
this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a
standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under
the footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the
footing line?

Thanks,

MC

biggest concern about tunnel under footing would be that your footing is
putting all the soil under it in
compression from the weight of the house. when you tunnel under, x square
feet of footing soil will have
that compression removed, thereby transferring load to the footing to each
side of the tunnel. if the soil under
the footings is already of questionable stability, you might get some
settling.
if you were going through the foundation wall, the concrete could probably
absorb the load change without problem.

bill

"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the
footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the footing
line?

Thanks,

MC

It's not a 'vacoon' truck - it's a RACOON truck. Basically 100 to 200
racoons (the more racoons, the more money) all harnessed together. They
can dig out pretty much anything.

Flowable fill is a material made by a ready mix company and delivered in a
mixer truck. It consists of sand, water, fly ash and a small amount of
cement. It has a high water content and is very flowable. It's designed to
achieve more strength than compacted dirt and is 100% compacted once it
sets. It's usually designed to be excavatable with power equipment.



"Blue" wrote in message ...
Curious what the symptoms of your under slab plumbing leak are?

"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this? Is it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the
footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the footing
line?

Thanks,

MC

Matt;
When you smoke those cigars, make sure to
unwrap the plastic off them first....

Will it expand after being apply? What is the chance of it cracking the PVC
pipe as it cures?

So after it sets it's like concrete, in the event more repair is needed they
will need a slugehammer?

Thanks,

MC

"David Alexander" wrote in message
...
Flowable fill is a material made by a ready mix company and delivered in a
mixer truck. It consists of sand, water, fly ash and a small amount of
cement. It has a high water content and is very flowable. It's designed
to
achieve more strength than compacted dirt and is 100% compacted once it
sets. It's usually designed to be excavatable with power equipment.



"Blue" wrote in message
...
Curious what the symptoms of your under slab plumbing leak are?

"miamicuse" wrote in message
...
I need to have a sewer line repaired and one of the options is to tunnel
under and the spot is about 5 feet from the exterior wall.

The company provided an estimate to dig using a "vaccon truck". Did a
search and cannot figure out what this is, is this a mini-horizontal
driller?

After the line is repaired, they said they will back fill with a
"non-exacavatable flowable fill". What type of material is this? Is
it
plastic? If they run into a footing, do you know what is a standard
procedure? Break the footing there to get through, or go under the
footing?
Will the back fill material be able to fill the void ABOVE the footing
line?

Thanks,

MC